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| November 10, 2010 |
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| 2:57 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Join us now for #ELTchat Topic: Are traditional ELT approaches all bad? What can we draw from them? |
| 2:57 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Join us now for #ELTchat Topic: Are traditional ELT approaches all bad? What can we draw from them? |
| 2:57 pm |
carneysandoe: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Join us now for #ELTchat Topic: Are traditional ELT approaches all bad? What can we draw from them? |
| 2:57 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@Marisa_C s'okay - only just saw it so could've got through some of it before now #eltchat |
| 2:58 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Join us now for #ELTchat Topic: Are traditional ELT approaches all bad? What can we draw from them? |
| 2:59 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Join us now for #ELTchat Topic: Are traditional ELT approaches all bad? What can we draw from them? |
| 2:59 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
traditional approaches - can we list them? direct method, silent way grammar translation... they all crop up in nearly every lesson #ELTchat |
| 2:59 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @barbsaka: RT @dudeneyge: ELT Approaches webquest - http://bit.ly/9Do5t2 #ELTchat (courtesy of Anne Bain) |
| 2:59 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Welcome to #eltchat your moderators today are @Marisa_C @olafelch & me! Feel free to ask us for help! |
| 3:00 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
I don't think anyone adheres religiously to one single approach, or am i wrong? #ELTChat |
| 3:00 pm |
Marisa_C: |
For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat We'll be discussing Traditional Approaches and what we can keep from them |
| 3:00 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcnpaul1: I don't think anyone adheres religiously to one single approach, or am i wrong? #ELTChat |
| 3:00 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat We'll be discussing Traditional Approaches and what we can keep from them |
| 3:00 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat We'll be discussing Traditional Approaches and what we can keep from them |
| 3:00 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat We'll be discussing Traditional Approaches and what we can keep from them |
| 3:01 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@bcnpaul1 I know I don't... most ppl I know don't but I think there are ppl who do #eltchat |
| 3:01 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Good reading on the topic! RT @Marisa_C: Richards & Rodgers - 4 later when u have timehttp://bit.ly/axzLB4 #ELTchat - best book |
| 3:01 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Traditional Approaches: Grammar Translation, Audio Lingual M, Direct Method, Situational M... #ELTchat |
| 3:02 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 I wonder if there is a difference between sec schools and lang schools? A lot of sec school teachers are devoted to PPP. #ELTChat |
| 3:02 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Welcome to #eltchat your moderators today are @ShellTerrell @olafelch and me ! Feel free to ask us for help! |
| 3:02 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@cecilialcoelho @bcnpaul1 yes I have spoken with many educators deadset on 1 approach #eltchat |
| 3:02 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: @bcnpaul1 I wonder if there is a difference between sec schools and lang schools? A lot of sec school teachers are devoted to PPP. #ELTChat |
| 3:02 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
What approach would you say dominates your teaching - I think I'd say task-based, but it's peppered with lots of other approaches #ELTChat |
| 3:02 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcnpaul1: What approach would you say dominates your teaching - I think I'd say task-based, but it's peppered with lots of other approaches #ELTChat |
| 3:03 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@olafelch - I'd agree, I'm coming from a language school direction where there's probably more freedom #ELTChat |
| 3:04 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@ShellTerrell but surely its impossible to use just ONE approach in its purity #ELTChat |
| 3:04 pm |
Marisa_C: |
What techniques or aspects of each method or approach informs your teaching and why? #ELTchat |
| 3:06 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@olafelch @bcnpaul1 Here in Brazil there's a big difference between sec schools and lang schools. Sec schools mostly grammar transl #eltchat |
| 3:06 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Taken for granted that we all salt and pepper our lessons with this n' that but can we list and discuss? :-) #ELTchat |
| 3:06 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@Marisa_C I like Task-based as it gives room for student creativity and input. but equally i'm ahppy to use grammar translaton #ELTChat |
| 3:06 pm |
rliberni: |
@bcnpaul1 I agree I use many different approaches depending on the std or group #eltchat |
| 3:06 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: What techniques or aspects of each method or approach informs your teaching and why? #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 3:06 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch @bcnpaul1 It has been my experience that PPP seems to be a popular approach? Why do you think? #eltchat |
| 3:06 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 @ShellTerrell It's certainly not a good idea, but some people are really not aware of newer ideas. #ELTChat |
| 3:07 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcnpaul1: surely its impossible to use just ONE approach in its purity #ELTChat |
| 3:07 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @bcnpaul1: What approach would you say dominates your teaching - hard to say, as much depends on level/group dynamics #ELTChat |
| 3:07 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Which aspects of traditional approaches do you use? Please remember that this is our question not what you use...:-D #ELTchat |
| 3:07 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
No method or approach is without its merits. We can take something from each one and adapt it as we see fit #ELTchat |
| 3:07 pm |
rliberni: |
@ShellTerrell I was trained in PPP but it isn'r appropriate foe every lesson/class #eltchat |
| 3:07 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
gram. translation helps sts to c diffs btwn chunks in their own language and in english - it's also a big part of the lexical app. #ELTChat |
| 3:07 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bcnpaul1 I don't buy that they do but then again I'm not in there classroom so maybe they do #ELTChat |
| 3:08 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: No method or approach is without its merits. We can take something from each one and adapt it as we see fit #ELTchat |
| 3:08 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 I also like task-based and Grammar Translation. I'm also no averse to a bit of PPP with weaker learners. #ELTChat |
| 3:08 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
I think we should learn about all the teaching approaches so we can pick & choose the best things from each #eltchat |
| 3:08 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think we should learn about all the teaching approaches so we can pick & choose the best things from each #eltchat |
| 3:08 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think we should learn about all the teaching approaches so we can pick & choose the best things from each #eltchat |
| 3:08 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @ShellTerrell: I think we should learn about all the teaching approaches so we can pick & choose the best things from each #eltchat |
| 3:08 pm |
rliberni: |
I think there is a tendency to jump on too many bandwagons in the search for a perfect appch, I don't think it exists #eltchat |
| 3:08 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Agree! RT @rliberni: I was trained in PPP but it isn'r appropriate foe every lesson/class #eltchat |
| 3:08 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: Which aspects of traditional approaches do you use? Please remember that this is our question not what you use...:-D #ELTchat |
| 3:09 pm |
chrisemdin: |
Effective teachers merge traditional and contemporary approaches. Don't abandon good practice so you can be "progressive" #ELTchat |
| 3:09 pm |
Marisa_C: |
DO you drill? Go on, 'fess up!!! #ELTchat... I do. |
| 3:09 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@rliberni @ShellTerrell I was first trained in PPP too but rarely use it. #eltchat |
| 3:09 pm |
chucksandy: |
I've watched tons of classes around the world & have yet to see anyone using one pure approach - tho many claim they do #eltchat |
| 3:09 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
How do institutions decide what approaches to train teachers in? #eltchat |
| 3:09 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: Taken for granted that we all salt and pepper our lessons with this n' that but can we list and discuss? :-) #ELTchat |
| 3:09 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: @rliberni @ShellTerrell I was first trained in PPP too but rarely use it. #eltchat > can be a great tool for beginners |
| 3:09 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@rliberni ditto and I agree its not always appropriate. it often assumes sts know nothing wheras TTT doesn't #ELTChat |
| 3:10 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @olafelch: @bcnpaul1 I also like task-based and Grammar Translation. I'm also no averse to a bit of PPP with weaker learners. #ELTChat |
| 3:11 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: How do institutions decide what approaches to train teachers in? #eltchat |
| 3:11 pm |
dudeneyge: |
Did I mention before that I like a bit of Grammar Translation? #ELTchat |
| 3:11 pm |
chrisemdin: |
Sometimes, it's okay for students to sit in rows and read from the text with a dictionary. SOMETIMES #ELTchat |
| 3:11 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@ShellTerrell i think even if you tried, it wd be so difficult - and the classes wd be awful #ELTChat |
| 3:11 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @chucksandy: I've watched tons of classes around the world & have yet to see anyone using one pure approach - tho many claim they do #eltchat |
| 3:11 pm |
rliberni: |
@ShellTerrell I don't see anything wrong with PPP but it's limited #eltchat |
| 3:11 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell In principle I agree with you about picking and choosing, but that 's a lot of learning time for the teacher. #eltchat |
| 3:11 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: DO you drill? Go on, 'fess up!!! #ELTchat... I do. |
| 3:11 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @dudeneyge: Did I mention before that I like a bit of Grammar Translation? #ELTchat > yes - many teachers do |
| 3:12 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @rliberni: I think there is a tendency to jump on too many bandwagons in the search for a perfect appch, I don't think it exists #eltchat |
| 3:12 pm |
rliberni: |
Anybody else struggling with tweetgrid today? #eltchat |
| 3:12 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
I've used TPR successfully with YLs but only feel it is useful in specific situations - e.g. daily routines, imperatives #ELTchat |
| 3:12 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@cecilialcoelho Pity.. can be great fun #Eltchat |
| 3:12 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: DO you drill? Go on, 'fess up!!! #ELTchat... I do. Yes, sometimes #eltchat |
| 3:12 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @dudeneyge: Did I mention before that I like a bit of Grammar Translation? #ELTchat |
| 3:12 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: DO you drill? Go on, 'fess up!!! #ELTchat... I do. ] sometimes... although I try to make it fun |
| 3:12 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @rliberni: I think there is a tendency to jump on too many bandwagons in the search for a perfect appch, I don't think it exists #eltchat |
| 3:13 pm |
rliberni: |
@Marisa_C drilling can be great fun if you approach it in the right way #eltchat |
| 3:13 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bcnpaul1 So you use silent way for class management reasons? #eltchat |
| 3:13 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Do some approaches work better to limit teacher talk time? #ELTChat |
| 3:13 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C drilling can be great fun if you approach it in the right way #eltchat |
| 3:14 pm |
rliberni: |
@bcnpaul1 yet it should allow those who do know to demonstrate this if used well #eltchat |
| 3:14 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @dudeneyge: Did I mention before that I like a bit of Grammar Translation? #ELTchat > I admit it's my fav style as a learner |
| 3:14 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @chrisemdin: Effective teachers merge traditional and contemporary approaches. Don't abandon good practice so you can be "progressive" #ELTchat |
| 3:14 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @chrisemdin: Effective tchrs merge traditional and contemporary approaches. Don't abandon gd practice so you can be progressive #ELTchat |
| 3:14 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @chrisemdin: Effective teachers merge traditional and contemporary approaches. Don't abandon good practice so you can be "progressive" #ELTchat |
| 3:14 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @chrisemdin: Effective tchrs merge traditional and contemporary approaches. Don't abandon gd practice so you can be progressive #ELTchat |
| 3:14 pm |
malusciamarelli: |
RT @rliberni Anybody else struggling with tweetgrid today? #eltchat// It's been like that for hours! |
| 3:14 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch If we commit to being lifelong learners we have a lot of time to learn each approach ;-) #eltchat |
| 3:15 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@Marisa_C yes - usually. I've not used it for anything else... miming actions maybe #ELTChat |
| 3:15 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C drilling can be great fun if you approach it in the right way #eltchat |
| 3:15 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@olafelch @rliberni The perfect approach is the one who best fits the STs' needs and learning style #eltchat |
| 3:15 pm |
Marisa_C: |
As a beginner learner of Turkish my heart went back into place after a syntax lesson #ELTchat does that make me weird ? |
| 3:15 pm |
rliberni: |
@malusciamarelli oh thanks maybe I'll switch to tweedeck #eltchat |
| 3:16 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@rliberni yes - but then if you're rigidly adhering to PPP what do you do when you realise half the class know it already? #ELTChat |
| 3:16 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch Agree, though. When learning several approaches for my Masters I sometimes felt I didn't get to really understand 1 fully #eltchat |
| 3:16 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell Agreed, but the pressure is on the teachers to get instant results so they're often looking for a quick fix. #eltchat |
| 3:16 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: @olafelch @rliberni The perfect approach is the one who best fits the STs' needs and learning style #eltchat |
| 3:17 pm |
rliberni: |
@olafelch as it's confession time, I love old fashioned dictation! #eltchat |
| 3:17 pm |
esolcourses: |
@olafelch @dudeneyge @Marisa_C not a fan of grammar translation myself, tho accept it can work depending on how you use it... #eltchat |
| 3:17 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@ShellTerrell TBL can limit teacher talking time but can increase student talking time in L1 #ELTChat |
| 3:17 pm |
Marisa_C: |
PPP gives T satisfaction but reported to have very short term retention #ELTchat - and true acc to my observations |
| 3:17 pm |
rliberni: |
@bcnpaul1 I didn't know PPP was rigid. #eltchat |
| 3:17 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
If we learn too many approaches do we really ever get the time to understand anyone fully? Do we need to? #ELTChat |
| 3:17 pm |
dudeneyge: |
@cecilialcoelho Yes, I meant as a learner - works for me. So maybe we need to ask people a bit more..... #ELTchat |
| 3:18 pm |
chrisemdin: |
With that being said, any approach employed has to b justifiable. What do kids gain by doing this? How am I sure that's happening? #ELTchat |
| 3:18 pm |
chucksandy: |
it's not abt methods but abt best practices: given what we know & learn abt how people learn, what works best in a given context? #ELTchat |
| 3:18 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@bcnpaul1 @ Marisa_C silent way is also good because it's beter for your health! #ELTchathttp://tinyurl.com/2vp98fj |
| 3:18 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcnpaul1: TBL can limit teacher talking time but can increase student talking time in L1 #ELTChat |
| 3:18 pm |
rliberni: |
@peterjohnfenton I have some gr8 advanced level drills for rhythm, using long sentences etc.. stds love em! #eltchat |
| 3:18 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@dudeneyge Agree. But I find it more diff to do so in a large classroom. Some of my 1:1 STs prefer it that way, so we do it. #eltchat |
| 3:19 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@rliberni dictation is great. sts like it too esp if you read at normal pace and they have to listen 4 key info and reconstruct txt #ELTChat |
| 3:19 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: @bcnpaul1 @ Marisa_C silent way is also good because it's beter for your health! #ELTchat http://tinyurl.com/2vp98fj |
| 3:19 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @chucksandy: it's not abt methods but abt best practices: given what we know & learn abt how people learn, what works best in a given context? #ELTchat |
| 3:19 pm |
olafelch: |
@rliberni I don't do dictation as such, but I love mistakes dictation, where the learners have to correct dictated errors. #eltchat |
| 3:19 pm |
chucksandy: |
RT @chrisemdin: Effective teachers merge traditional and contemporary approaches. Don't abandon good practice so you can be "progressive" #ELTchat |
| 3:19 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Which approaches are more suited to getting teachers to use technology effectively for learning? #ELTChat |
| 3:19 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: @bcnpaul1 @ Marisa_C silent way is also good because it's beter for your health! #ELTchat http://tinyurl.com/2vp98fj |
| 3:20 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Which approaches are more suited to getting teachers to use technology effectively for learning? #ELTChat ] TBL, I'd say.. |
| 3:20 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
Slide 13 from my as yet unused PK (sniff):Explore evolved learning practices such as repetition,drilling and memorisation #ELTchat |
| 3:20 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@ShellTerrell @bcnpaul1 I agree, sometimes the need to complete the task overtakes the desire to talk in L2 #ELTchat |
| 3:20 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @olafelch: @rliberni I don't do dictation as such, but I love mistakes dictation, where the learners have to correct dictated errors. #eltchat |
| 3:20 pm |
Marisa_C: |
A lot of techniques from trad apps which are T-led can be turned into discovery learning #ELTchat but explicit instruction wanted by sm Ls |
| 3:20 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@rliberni I think PPP can be rigid if used by a teacher starting out- it was my crutch for a long time & I planned classes using it #ELTChat |
| 3:21 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: @ShellTerrell @bcnpaul1 I agree, sometimes the need to complete the task overtakes the desire to talk in L2 #ELTchat |
| 3:21 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bcnpaul1 @rliberni #ELTChat I think PPP is called rigid becos linear & once "done" u move to the next PPP - major criticism |
| 3:21 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @rliberni: @olafelch as it's confession time, I love old fashioned dictation! #eltchat > Dictation can be gr8 in the Lang classroom! |
| 3:22 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Seems many people have been trained especially in PPP. Should teacher training programs emphasize one approach more? Why? #ELTChat |
| 3:22 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Dictogloss (or dictocomp) a great variation of trad dictation & combines other skills #ELTchat |
| 3:22 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @rliberni: @olafelch as it's confession time, I love old fashioned dictation! #eltchat > Dictation can be gr8 in the Lang classroom! |
| 3:22 pm |
chucksandy: |
everything works sometimes w/some people. the trick: know Ss enough to understand needs & differentiate instruction to provide #ELTchat |
| 3:22 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: Dictogloss (or dictocomp) a great variation of trad dictation & combines other skills #ELTchat |
| 3:22 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @chucksandy: everything works sometimes w/some people. the trick: know Ss enough to understand needs & differentiate instruction to provide #ELTchat |
| 3:23 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Seems many people have been trained especially in PPP. Shd T- training programs emphasize one approach more? Why? #ELTChat |
| 3:23 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @chucksandy: everything works sometimes w/some people. the trick: know Ss enough to understand needs & differentiate instruction to provide #ELTchat |
| 3:23 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcnpaul1: @rliberni I think PPP can be rigid if used by a teacher starting out- it was my crutch for a long time & I planned classes using it #ELTChat |
| 3:23 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
best approach for using tech is the one where students get to use it to create content.. what's that called? #ELTChat |
| 3:23 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 Found PPP to be useful short term in getting a department to accept common standards. Later they used their own styles. #ELTChat |
| 3:23 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell Teacher ed progs should show a variety of apps and methods - give Ts options not "The Way" #ELTChat |
| 3:23 pm |
chucksandy: |
I was trained in the 70s to be an audiolingual teacher & tho I know it's "wrong" I sometimes miss it. Anyone else? #ELTchat |
| 3:23 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @olafelch: @rliberni I don't do dictation as such, but I love mistakes dictation, where the learners have to correct dictated errors. #eltchat |
| 3:23 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
RT @Marisa_C: Dictogloss (or dictocomp) a great variation of trad dictation & combines other skills #ELTchat |
| 3:24 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Agree! RT @Marisa_C: Teacher ed progs should show a variety of apps and methods - give Ts options not "The Way" #ELTChat |
| 3:24 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @chucksandy: I was trained in the 70s to be an audiolingual teacher & tho I know it's "wrong" I sometimes miss it. Anyone else? #ELTchat |
| 3:24 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@Marisa_C PPP is the dominant approach on CELTA courses - it likes an old friend! but more friends need to be added #ELTChat |
| 3:24 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@chucksandy Some ALM techniques great and still very valuable, e.g. memorizing a dialog; isn't it chunks of lang? #ELTchat |
| 3:24 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell Teacher ed progs should show a variety of apps and methods - give Ts options not "The Way" #ELTChat |
| 3:24 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy Some ALM techniques great and still very valuable, e.g. memorizing a dialog; isn't it chunks of lang? #ELTchat |
| 3:25 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Agree! RT @bcnpaul1: PPP is the dominant approach on CELTA courses - it likes an old friend! but more friends need to be added #ELTChat |
| 3:25 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@olafelch @rliberni Never did the dictation with mistakes...but really liked the idea #eltchat |
| 3:25 pm |
jeremylenzi: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @Marisa_C: Teacher ed progs should show a variety of apps and methods - give Ts options not "The Way" #ELTChat |
| 3:25 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C PPP is the dominant approach on CELTA courses - it likes an old friend! but more friends need to be added #ELTChat |
| 3:25 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@peterjohnfenton Agree PPP highly unsuited to higher levels #ELTchat |
| 3:25 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Interesting! Any links? RT @cecilialcoelho: @olafelch @rliberni Never did the dictation with mistakes...but really liked the idea #eltchat |
| 3:25 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
maybe if CELTA courses were 2 months full-time not 1, there'd be more scope to explore & try out new approaches #ELTChat |
| 3:26 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bcnpaul1 I barely survived 1 month now you want to extend it to 2 ;-0 #ELTChat |
| 3:26 pm |
olafelch: |
@cecilialcoelho My learners seem to love it - I always include a few sentences that are correct. #eltchat |
| 3:26 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@Marisa_C @bcnpaul1 @rliberni PPP becomes even more unsuitable at the higher levels - it sometimes assumes students know nothing #ELTchat |
| 3:26 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell Ha ha u did ok - that wasn't survival #ELTChat |
| 3:26 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@olafelch why is PPP better at getting depts. to accept? #ELTChat |
| 3:26 pm |
eshwaranv: |
Just entered home from work... Missing the ongoing #eltchat. Hoping to join in the later edition. |
| 3:26 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: PPP becomes even more unsuitable at the higher levels - it sometimes assumes students know nothing #ELTchat |
| 3:27 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@ShellTerrell LOL! :) You've got the DELTA next! #ELTChat |
| 3:27 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Marisa_C I meant my body! You know how much my body suffered by the Cokes, stress & lack of sleep LOL #ELTChat |
| 3:27 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bcnpaul1 PPP is high on list becos on the day it looks like u have achieved ur aims - never mind that it's all gone after #ELTChat |
| 3:27 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 At 1 month it counts as brain-washing - after 2 I think the Geneva Convention would apply! ;o) #ELTChat |
| 3:28 pm |
esolcourses: |
LOL! & RT @olafelch: @bcnpaul1 At 1 month it counts as brain-washing - after 2 I think the Geneva Convention would apply! ;o) #ELTChat |
| 3:28 pm |
chucksandy: |
@marisa_C: oh I agree! some ALM techniques are great & I do drill. Think Jazz Chants. But to teach an entire ALM lesson? In 2010? #eltchat |
| 3:28 pm |
mariartucker: |
RT @chrisemdin: With that being said, any approach employed has to b justifiable. What do kids gain by doing this? How am I sure that's happening? #ELTchat |
| 3:28 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@Marisa_C @peterjohnfenton And like the seas,levels will keep on rising.PPP has done its job and needs a nice farewell party #ELTchat |
| 3:28 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
What are teaching approaches you feel don't get enough exposure in Teacher Training programs? #ELTChat |
| 3:28 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @LukeMeddings: And like the seas,levels will keep on rising.PPP has done its job and needs a nice farewell party #ELTchat |
| 3:28 pm |
mariartucker: |
RT @chrisemdin: Effective teachers merge traditional and contemporary approaches. Don't abandon good practice so you can be "progressive" #ELTchat |
| 3:29 pm |
mariartucker: |
RT @chrisemdin: Sometimes, it's okay for students to sit in rows and read from the text with a dictionary. SOMETIMES #ELTchat |
| 3:29 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 Did it short-term to ensure that the basics were being handled in the same way. there were too many variations at first. #ELTChat |
| 3:29 pm |
martincaicedo: |
@dudeneyge Agree, the challenge is merging it with a more communicative approach #ELTchat |
| 3:29 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@chucksandy No way and entire ALM lesson - unless tempered by other apps #eltchat |
| 3:29 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@olafelch seriously though - 1 month and yr a teacher! We assume t's will find their own path & develop, but what if they don't? #ELTChat |
| 3:29 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Good ? RT @bcnpaul1: 1 month and yr a teacher! We assume t's will find their own path & develop, but what if they don't? #ELTChat |
| 3:30 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 I agree 100%. #ELTChat |
| 3:30 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Sorry my tweetdeck is messing up. Not sure I'm seeing the full conversation :( #ELTchat |
| 3:30 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @LukeMeddings: RT @Marisa_C: Dictogloss (or dictocomp) a great variation of trad dictation & combines other skills #ELTchat |
| 3:30 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Has anyone tried any techniques from suggestopedia - more by way of humanistic apps but still q old now #ELTchat |
| 3:31 pm |
rliberni: |
@peterjohnfenton I think all approaches are only as good as the tchr who is using them #eltchat |
| 3:31 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell I have the same problem. There have been a lot of complaints about Tweetdeck over the past week. #ELTchat |
| 3:32 pm |
Marisa_C: |
We have been experimenting with SP on ESP courses; text w strong storyline; great for massive vocab aquisition #ELTchat |
| 3:33 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone tried any techniques from suggestopedia - more by way of humanistic apps but still q old now #ELTchat |
| 3:33 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: We have been experimenting with SP on ESP courses; text w strong storyline; great for massive vocab aquisition #ELTchat |
| 3:33 pm |
rliberni: |
Your approach is personal to you, your style of teaching & your stds whatever things you adopt #eltchat |
| 3:33 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@ShellTerrell @Marisa_C I agree Ts should know a variety of approaches & methods. How else r we going 2 know what we can use? #eltchat |
| 3:33 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @rliberni: Your approach is personal to you, your style of teaching & your stds whatever things you adopt #eltchat |
| 3:33 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @rliberni: Your approach is personal to you, your style of teaching & your stds whatever things you adopt #eltchat |
| 3:34 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@rliberni Yes - unless you know abt what & why you can choose in an informed way #eltchat |
| 3:34 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Agree! RT @rliberni: @peterjohnfenton I think all approaches are only as good as the tchr who is using them #eltchat |
| 3:34 pm |
chucksandy: |
@marisa_c: I conduct an ALM lesson in my methods class. My Ss understand it's wrong. Mim/Mem! Accuracy! Teacher as performer. #eltchat |
| 3:34 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @rliberni: @peterjohnfenton I think all approaches are only as good as the tchr who is using them #eltchat |
| 3:34 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
no-one's mentioned dogme as an approach! #ELTChat |
| 3:34 pm |
rliberni: |
@Marisa_C absolutely - start with the std/s #eltchat |
| 3:34 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @olafelch: RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @rliberni: @peterjohnfenton I think all approaches are only as good as the tchr who is using them #eltchat |
| 3:34 pm |
Marisa_C: |
I hear the line "I am eclectic" too often by Ts who really don't know why they use what they use #ELTchat |
| 3:34 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcnpaul1: no-one's mentioned dogme as an approach! #ELTChat |
| 3:35 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 Dogme's not old enough! ;o) #ELTChat |
| 3:35 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@rliberni Agreed, gd tchr can make any approach beneficial but maybe some teachers feel restricted by methods imposed upon them #ELTchat |
| 3:35 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bcnpaul1 it ain't traditional #ELTChat |
| 3:35 pm |
esolcourses: |
at the risk of veering slightly off topic: T T Unplugged site= interesting reading, re: CELTAhttp://bit.ly/aJAjsb #eltchat #dogme #celta |
| 3:35 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bcnpaul1 I think teacher training programs should begin to give teachers more exposure to Dogme #ELTChat |
| 3:36 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: @rliberni Agreed, gd tchr can make any approach beneficial but maybe some teachers feel restricted by methods imposed upon them #ELTchat |
| 3:36 pm |
chucksandy: |
@bcnpaul1: finally dogme comes into play ^^ What is it besides good teaching? tell us @thornburyscott :-) #ELTchat |
| 3:36 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@rliberni In Poland for example, there are lots of Callan schools - good teachers are wasted in these environments #ELTchat |
| 3:37 pm |
rliberni: |
@peterjohnfenton you're right especially new tchrs who are not confident enough to branch out #eltchat |
| 3:37 pm |
olafelch: |
Does anyone remember or still use Jazz chants? #ELTchat |
| 3:37 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @chucksandy: @bcnpaul1: finally dogme comes into play ^^ What is it besides good teaching? tell us @thornburyscott :-) #ELTchat |
| 3:37 pm |
chucksandy: |
actually, i think all good teachers are really dogme teachers. #eltchat |
| 3:37 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: Does anyone remember or still use Jazz chants? #ELTchat |
| 3:37 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@rliberni Agree fully - a good teacher can also makeworst material work - but that is not a good enough reason to go for tradition #eltchat |
| 3:37 pm |
rliberni: |
@peterjohnfenton what is is about Callan that makes it sooo popular? #eltchat |
| 3:37 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
http://britishcouncilteachersconference2010.wikispaces.com/Webcasts @thornburyscott - the secret histoy of methods webcast #ELTChat |
| 3:37 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch You should check out @Marisa_C who has great jazz chant video I think in her blog #ELTchat |
| 3:37 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 I think teacher training programs should begin to give teachers more exposure to Dogme #ELTChat #eltchat |
| 3:38 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@LukeMeddings @Marisa_C @peterjohnfenton A farewellparty??? Aren't u being too radical luke? Not even keep it as an option? #eltchat |
| 3:38 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@ShellTerrell I agree - why not seeing as lots of teachers say they use it but don't really know what it is #ELTChat |
| 3:38 pm |
JoeMcVeigh: |
Larsen-Freeman: Techniques & Principles in Lang Tching 3rd out soon OUP. Excellent comparison of what dif. methods have to offer #ELTchat |
| 3:39 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@rliberni not sure, might be their ludicrous promises such as 'you get to FCE level four times faster than 'traditional' methods' #ELTchat |
| 3:39 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: Larsen-Freeman: Techniques & Principles in Lang Tching 3rd out soon OUP. Excellent comparison of what dif. methods have to offer #ELTchat |
| 3:39 pm |
Marisa_C: |
experience & exposure to dogme great - but a good chef must first know some basic recipes before they improvise and wing it #ELTchat |
| 3:39 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @rliberni: Your approach is personal to you, your style of teaching & your stds whatever things you adopt #eltchat |
| 3:39 pm |
evab2001: |
Hi, just arrived #eltchat |
| 3:39 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bcnpaul1 I reflect the most when something completely different is thrown in the mix! Makes teachers reflect on what is learning #ELTChat |
| 3:39 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@chucksandy the link I just sent talks about it #ELTChat |
| 3:39 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 I think there are also some teachers who use it without knowing that it exists. #ELTChat |
| 3:39 pm |
rliberni: |
@ShellTerrell I often take on NQT's and they're straight into 1:1 which often throws everything out if the window! they adapt #eltchat |
| 3:39 pm |
JoeMcVeigh: |
RT @olafelch: Does anyone remember or still use Jazz chants? #ELTchat Yes! Love them, especially the original book. The first was the best. |
| 3:40 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @olafelch: @bcnpaul1 I think there are also some teachers who use dogme without knowing that it exists. #ELTChat True! |
| 3:40 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: Larsen-Freeman: Techniques & Principles in Lang Tching 3rd out soon OUP. Excellent comparison of what dif. methods have to offer #ELTchat |
| 3:40 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@olafelch Agree - that raises another question doesn't it? do we need to 'know' the method to already be using it #ELTChat |
| 3:40 pm |
Harmerj: |
@LukeMeddings PPP needs a farewell party? what do you say many millions of students who have benefitted from it? #eltchat |
| 3:40 pm |
rliberni: |
@Marisa_C at the end of the day it's about experience + common sense + the desire to do a gr8 job! #eltchat |
| 3:40 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: Larsen-Freeman: Techniques & Principles in Lang Tching OUP. Excellent comparison of what dif. methods have to offer #ELTchat |
| 3:41 pm |
LUZBEGO: |
RT @Marisa_C: experience & exposure to dogme great - but a good chef must first know some basic recipes before they improvise and wing it #ELTchat |
| 3:41 pm |
chucksandy: |
@olafelch: used Jazz 20 yrs ago. A student from then came up one day & said "do you know mary? Mary who?" She still remembered. #eltchat |
| 3:41 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@Harmerj Same could be said for grammar translation - I learnt that way #eltchat |
| 3:41 pm |
rliberni: |
@peterjohnfenton and do they? #eltchat |
| 3:41 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @olafelch: Does anyone remember/ use Jazz chants? #ELTchat ] yep... @barbasaka did an interesting post on them http://bit.ly/buPqx8 |
| 3:41 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@bcnpaul1 @olafelch I think some things can come intuitively. But it doesn't make it not a good idea to see what's been done. #eltchat |
| 3:41 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@ShellTerrell definitely. As teachers, we need to throw things up in the air to challenge ourselves and sts #ELTChat |
| 3:41 pm |
chucksandy: |
RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C at the end of the day it's about experience + common sense + the desire to do a gr8 job! #eltchat |
| 3:41 pm |
evab2001: |
RT @olafelch RT @ShellTerrell:RT @rliberni: @peterjohnfenton I think all approaches are only as good as the tchr who is using them #eltchat |
| 3:41 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C at the end of the day it's about experience + common sense + the desire to do a gr8 job! #eltchat > I second this! |
| 3:42 pm |
Harmerj: |
Something very worrying about ppl throwing out tradition which has been shown to work just because it's old #eltchat |
| 3:42 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C at the end of the day it's about experience + common sense + the desire to do a gr8 job! #eltchat |
| 3:42 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Harmerj: Something very worrying about ppl throwing out tradition which has been shown to work just because it's old #eltchat |
| 3:42 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @Harmerj: Something very worrying about ppl throwing out tradition which has been shown to work just because it's old #eltchat |
| 3:42 pm |
Harmerj: |
it's as bad as ppl going crazy for something new just because it's new #eltchat |
| 3:42 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Harmerj: it's as bad as ppl going crazy for something new just because it's new #eltchat |
| 3:42 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcnpaul1 I don't think so. I was using a dogme approach with some clients for a couple of years before I heard the term first. #ELTChat |
| 3:42 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@harmerj @lukemeddings hmmm - not sure that PPP needs a farewell party, but maybe less dominance on training courses #ELTChat |
| 3:42 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @Harmerj: it's as bad as ppl going crazy for something new just because it's new #eltchat |
| 3:42 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @Harmerj: it's as bad as ppl going crazy for something new just because it's new #eltchat > teaching as a fad? :-D |
| 3:43 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Agree! RT @bcnpaul1: hmmm - not sure that PPP needs a farewell party, but maybe less dominance on training courses #ELTChat |
| 3:43 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@olafelch ditto that! :) #ELTChat |
| 3:43 pm |
Harmerj: |
there are elements of drilling, PPP, GT etc in most modern classrooms. trick is to find best use and right place 4 them #eltchat |
| 3:43 pm |
evab2001: |
RT @cecilialcoelho RT @Marisa_C: RT @olafelch: @bcnpaul1 I think there r also some teachers who use dogme w/o knowing it exists. #ELTChat > |
| 3:43 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Harmerj: there are elements of drilling, PPP, GT etc in most modern classrooms. trick is to find best use and right place 4 them #eltchat |
| 3:43 pm |
olafelch: |
@Harmerj Are you subscribing to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of thought? #eltchat |
| 3:43 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@Harmerj Sometimes we just need to shed some new light onto traditional and try to adjust it to a new reality #eltchat |
| 3:44 pm |
chucksandy: |
@harmerj maybe not a PPP farewell party, but a rethink. PPP is a framework. It's what's in the framework that makes it work or not #eltchat |
| 3:44 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@Harmerj If they've benefited from PPP and still want to improve their English,I say:let's try another way #ELTchat |
| 3:44 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Great point! RT @cecilialcoelho: Sometimes we just need to shed some new light onto traditional & try to adjust it to a new reality #eltchat |
| 3:44 pm |
chucksandy: |
RT @Harmerj: there are elements of drilling, PPP, GT etc in most modern classrooms. trick is to find best use and right place 4 them #eltchat |
| 3:44 pm |
Marisa_C: |
I've taught some great PPP lessons which ss still remember - isn't this what it's about? #ELTchat |
| 3:44 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @chucksandy: @harmerj maybe not a PPP farewell party, but a rethink. PPP is a framework. It's what's in the framework that makes it work or not #eltchat |
| 3:45 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: @Harmerj Are you subscribing to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of thought? #eltchat |
| 3:45 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @Marisa_C: I've taught some great PPP lessons which ss still remember - isn't this what it's about? #ELTchat Absolutely! |
| 3:45 pm |
Harmerj: |
@olafelch @LukeMeddings @cecilialcoelho course RELYING on PPP (or GT or whatever) would be absurd in a modern context #eltchat |
| 3:45 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @Harmerj: there r elements of drilling, PPP, GT etc in most modern clssrms. trick is 2 find best use & right place #eltchat >& right STs |
| 3:45 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
#eltchat RT @LUZBEGO: I think Ts only feel/see dogme's essence when they see that learning a language is communicating... |
| 3:45 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@Harmerj I agree, & each approach has its place used effectively - PPP can incorporate tech just as much as it can use gramm.trans. #ELTChat |
| 3:45 pm |
Marisa_C: |
So I guess that since I learn thru GT now I am not speaking English but some version of Swahili? #ELTchat |
| 3:46 pm |
evab2001: |
why should we ignore the teqniques that work well, some sts r creative&some r analyti & learn lang. as math. I love being eclectic #eltchat |
| 3:46 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@Harmerj But of course many teachers DO rely only on PPP - maybe the fault of coursebooks ;) #ELTchat |
| 3:46 pm |
dkapuler: |
excellent points everyone, it's about a combination of tradition w/ innovation and most of all passion #eltchat |
| 3:46 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: RT @Marisa_C: I've taught some gr8 PPP lessons which ss still remember - isn't this what it's about? Absolutely! Yes! #eltchat |
| 3:47 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @bcnpaul1: @Harmerj I agree, & each app has its place used effectively - PPP can incorporate tech just as much as gramm.trans. #ELTChat |
| 3:47 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @evab2001: why should we ignore the teqniques that work well, some sts r creative&some r analyti & learn lang. as math. I love being eclectic #eltchat |
| 3:47 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
surely whatever method we use, the goal shd be increased st.understanding and increased communicative power #ELTChat |
| 3:47 pm |
evab2001: |
@Marisa_C @Harmerj agree #eltchat |
| 3:47 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: @Harmerj Are you subscribing to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of thought? Why not! #eltchat |
| 3:47 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcnpaul1: surely whatever method we use, the goal shd be increased st.understanding and increased communicative power #ELTChat |
| 3:47 pm |
Harmerj: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: @Harmerj But of course many teachers DO rely only on PPP - fault of coursebooks? ;) #ELTchat <yes, agree. Not good! |
| 3:47 pm |
NicolRHoward: |
RT @dkapuler: excellent points everyone, it's about a combination of tradition w/ innovation and most of all passion #eltchat |
| 3:47 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @bcnpaul1: surely whatever method we use, the goal shd be increased st.understanding and increased communicative power #ELTChat > yes |
| 3:48 pm |
evab2001: |
RT @Marisa_C RT @Harmerj: Sthing very worrying about ppl throwing out tradition which has been shown to work just because it's old #eltchat |
| 3:48 pm |
olafelch: |
@peterjohnfenton I wouldn't be as hard on coursebooks as that, but an awful lot of online material is pure PPP. #ELTchat |
| 3:48 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @dkapuler: excellent points everyone, it's about a combination of tradition w/ innovation and most of all passion #eltchat |
| 3:48 pm |
rliberni: |
@LUZBEGO they do & all stds are individuals even within classes - pls no 1 size fits all! #eltchat |
| 3:49 pm |
olafelch: |
@rliberni I wan't disagreeing - I just wanted to be clear. I'm a fan of it too. #eltchat |
| 3:49 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@olafelch And quite a lot of other online material is tarted up grammar translation too #ELTchat |
| 3:49 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@Harmerj Not a question of age,just does it work,and does it work with the people in the room.Was running with PPP as 'old friend' #ELTchat |
| 3:49 pm |
esolcourses: |
@Marisa_C I sometimes slip PPP into the teaching mix as well, albeit with the 'P's in a different order to most people... ;-) #ELTchat |
| 3:49 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
RT @Marisa_C: @olafelch And quite a lot of other online material is tarted up grammar translation too #ELTchat |
| 3:49 pm |
olafelch: |
@Marisa_C That's the better stuff! ;o) #ELTchat |
| 3:49 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@Harmerj @peterjohnfenton I haven't taught with PPP based CBs in quite a while now... It's all about Communicative / TBL... #eltchat |
| 3:49 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@esolcourses if u mix ur PS ur probably TBLing it :-) #ELTchat |
| 3:49 pm |
rliberni: |
Just to check PPP IS THAT triangle thing isn't it? #eltchat |
| 3:49 pm |
chucksandy: |
@lukemeddings @bcnpaul: I'm teasing abt dogme which i know well. Good dogme's good teaching. Bad dogme is, well, cluelessness #eltchat |
| 3:50 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C I sometimes slip PPP into the teaching mix as well, albeit with the 'P's in a different order to most people... ;-) #ELTchat |
| 3:50 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
the aim shd be - "this is what I want for my sts and this is the best way of getting there" #ELTChat |
| 3:50 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@olafelch Fair point - it's not just coursebooks to blame, seems like PPP is the 'default setting' for ELT at the moment #ELTchat |
| 3:50 pm |
rliberni: |
@olafelch Lol thought I'd added a remark but it disppeared! #eltchat |
| 3:50 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@rliberni what d u mean triangle? it's a straight line :-D #eltchat |
| 3:51 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses if u mix ur PS ur probably TBLing it :-) #ELTchat >Or maybe creating a whole new approach? PTBLP? ;-) LOL |
| 3:51 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@olafelch Coursebooks only reflect this #ELTchat |
| 3:51 pm |
esolcourses: |
@Marisa_C LOL! this is true... or Dogme-ing it, even? :-) #ELTchat |
| 3:51 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcnpaul1: the aim shd be - "this is what I want for my sts and this is the best way of getting there" #ELTChat |
| 3:51 pm |
Harmerj: |
@LukeMeddings Old friends are great, but life would b awful without new friends - or if old frinds always stayed exactly t same!! #eltchat |
| 3:51 pm |
rliberni: |
@cecilialcoelho Lol!! #eltchat |
| 3:51 pm |
olafelch: |
@chucksandy though in some countries even good dogme is seen by the learners as the teacher being unprepared. #eltchat |
| 3:51 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@LukeMeddings Ha ha -- and produce prodcuce produce - yea #eltchat |
| 3:51 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Harmerj: @LukeMeddings Old friends are great, but life would b awful without new friends - or if old frinds always stayed exactly t same!! #eltchat |
| 3:51 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@chucksandy lol :) the cluless approach! it could catch on! #ELTChat |
| 3:51 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: though in some countries even good dogme is seen by the learners as the teacher being unprepared. #eltchat |
| 3:52 pm |
rliberni: |
@LukeMeddings As I thought the triangle! #eltchat |
| 3:52 pm |
olafelch: |
@peterjohnfenton I think that stems from the CELTA and Trinity courses. #ELTchat |
| 3:52 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: though in some countries even good dogme is seen by the learners as the teacher being unprepared. #eltchat |
| 3:52 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@Marisa_C @LukeMeddings What always got 2 me on PPP based bks was how non-authntic the Productions were...never did what it told me #eltchat |
| 3:52 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bcnpaul1 @chucksandy What do you mean? I know many including myself at times have tried the "clueless" approach ;-) #ELTChat |
| 3:52 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: though in some countries even good dogme is seen by the learners as the teacher being unprepared. #eltchat |
| 3:52 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@esolcourses u sound like a crypto-dogmeist :-) #ELTchat |
| 3:53 pm |
chucksandy: |
@olafelch: "in some countries even good dogme is seen by the learners as the teacher being unprepared" Then that's bad dogme ^^ #eltchat |
| 3:53 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @chucksandy: @olafelch: "in some countries even good dogme is seen by the learners as the teacher being unprepared" Then that's bad dogme ^^ #eltchat |
| 3:53 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @bcnpaul1: surely whatever method we use, the goal shd be increased st.understanding and increased communicative power #ELTChat |
| 3:53 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@Marisa_C @shellterrell @olafelch Another reason why dogme isn't an easy option! #ELTchat |
| 3:53 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: What always got 2 me on PPP based bks was how non-authntic the Productions were...never did what it told me #eltchat |
| 3:53 pm |
rliberni: |
@Marisa_C my diagram for PPP iwas a triangle sectioned into how much time 2 spend on each stage! #eltchat |
| 3:53 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@cecilialcoelho how many TBL books are there? Not that many I think, also many coursebooks pretend to be CLT but aren't really #eltchat |
| 3:53 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @olafelch Dogme is certainly seen as "lazy teacher" by some STs here... If only they knew...;-) #eltchat |
| 3:54 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@ShellTerrell the clueless approach with a huge amount of knowledge like "what shall we do today class?" yields fascinating results #ELTChat |
| 3:54 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @olafelch And a Brazilian St gave @englishraven a hard time & and earful because of it LOL #eltchat |
| 3:54 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@LukeMeddings I would agree not an easy option for a novice teacher - so makes sense to learn a variety of apps and methods before.#ELTchat |
| 3:54 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
no-one's mentioned CLIL! anyone do that? #ELTChat |
| 3:54 pm |
olafelch: |
@chucksandy Not sure I can agree with you on that - it would imply that it's always appropriate. #eltchat |
| 3:55 pm |
cybraryman1: |
My Dogme page: http://bit.ly/atMWWA #eltchat |
| 3:55 pm |
rliberni: |
All these acronyms are doing my head in! #eltchat |
| 3:55 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @Marisa_C: @LukeMeddings I would agree not an easy option for a novice teacher - so makes sense to learn a variety of apps and methods before.#ELTchat |
| 3:55 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Luv reading about diff approaches, even traditional but I wish my tchr training programs showed me more of them in action #eltchat |
| 3:55 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @cybraryman1: My Dogme page: http://bit.ly/atMWWA #eltchat |
| 3:55 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @cybraryman1: My Dogme page: http://bit.ly/atMWWA #eltchat |
| 3:55 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bcnpaul1 talking traditional paul - come back to us #ELTChat |
| 3:55 pm |
tweetpmo: |
RT @Harmerj: @LukeMeddings Old friends are great, but life would b awful without new friends - or if old frinds always stayed exactly t same!! #eltchat |
| 3:55 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C @ShellTerrell Dogme is certainly seen as "lazy teacher" by some STs here. If only they knew.;-) #eltchat |
| 3:56 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@rliberni lol! ROFL! :) #ELTChat |
| 3:56 pm |
esolcourses: |
@Marisa_C LOL! crypto-dogme? Like it :-) Produce... Practice.... Present grammar afterwards ? #ELTchat @cecilialcoelho @LukeMeddings |
| 3:56 pm |
rliberni: |
@cecilialcoelho interesting? Students' perceptions of what constitutes a 'good' teacher #eltchat |
| 3:56 pm |
LUZBEGO: |
RT @cybraryman1: My Dogme page: http://bit.ly/atMWWA #eltchat |
| 3:56 pm |
chucksandy: |
@ShellTerrell: the clueless approach? For me it's when I go in sleepy & uncaffeinated ^^ Classes tmrw AM. Night from Japan all! #eltchat |
| 3:56 pm |
rliberni: |
@bcnpaul1 :-(( Lol! #eltchat |
| 3:56 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@Marisa_C @LukeMeddings problem is that many teachers' training finishes after the CELTA #eltchat |
| 3:56 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@cecilialcoelho Yes-and so hard to produce target language in P3-better to produce,present(based on what was produced),practice #ELTchat |
| 3:57 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@chucksandy @bcnpaul1 For me its when I get a student that does something so odd I'm really clueless for a bit how to handle #ELTChat |
| 3:57 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bcnpaul1 lol - teasing - we're discussing traditional approaches - CLIL a newish thang #ELTchat |
| 3:57 pm |
rliberni: |
@chucksandy it's true sometimes teaching off the cuff can yeild a freshness in approach #eltchat |
| 3:57 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: @cecilialcoelho how many TBL books are there? Not that many I think, many c/bks pretend 2 b CLT but aren't #eltchat |
| 3:58 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: @Marisa_C @LukeMeddings problem is that many teachers' training finishes after the CELTA #eltchat > So true... |
| 3:58 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @rliberni: @chucksandy it's true sometimes teaching off the cuff can yeild a freshness in approach #eltchat |
| 3:58 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@rliberni V interesting indeed... Somtimes I wonder wht they'd think if I showd up & just told them 2 open their books & follwed it #eltchat |
| 3:58 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: @Marisa_C @LukeMeddings problem is that many teachers' training finishes after the CELTA #eltchat |
| 3:58 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Marisa_C It seems @bcnpaul1 is being very naughty introducing new approaches to the topic ;-) #ELTChat |
| 3:59 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@Marisa_C If introduced at pre-service,can learn a variety of apps and methods alongside? Some new teachers do adopt confidently #ELTchat |
| 3:59 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@peterjohnfenton Wouldn't know the exact number of TBL X CLT - I still get confused w/ the differences ;-) #eltchat |
| 3:59 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell IYes very... have to keep steering him back...LOL #ELTChat |
| 3:59 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@Marisa_C oh yeah - I forgot myself there for a minute!! :) #ELTChat |
| 3:59 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Can we all suggest b4 we leave an innovative way you have used a traditional approach? Links appreciated #ELTChat |
| 3:59 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @LukeMeddings: @cecilialcoelho Yes-and so hard to produce target language in P3-better to produce,present(based on what was produced),practice #ELTchat |
| 3:59 pm |
rliberni: |
@cecilialcoelho there i always the principle (in their eyes) that they've bought the book so why aren't they using it!! #eltchat |
| 3:59 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Can we all suggest b4 we leave an innovative way you have used a traditional approach? Links appreciated #ELTChat |
| 3:59 pm |
mrscbjackson: |
RT @rliberni: I think there is a tendency to jump on too many bandwagons in the search for a perfect appch, I don't think it exists #eltchat |
| 4:00 pm |
mrscbjackson: |
RT @rliberni: @Marisa_C at the end of the day it's about experience + common sense + the desire to do a gr8 job! #eltchat |
| 4:00 pm |
chucksandy: |
@olafelch: what i mean is: it takes a gifted knowledgeable teacher w/ presence to make dogme work. it that's missing, it doesn't #eltchat |
| 4:00 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Old method - New way: Find a terrible translation from your L1 and fix it #ELTchat |
| 4:00 pm |
rliberni: |
@esolcourses yes & this brings us right back to PD and its importance!! #eltchat |
| 4:00 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell that sounds like a blog challenge to me! #ELTChat |
| 4:01 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Can we all suggest b4 we leave an innovative way you have used a traditional approach? Links appreciated #ELTChat |
| 4:01 pm |
tonnet: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Which approaches are more suited to getting teachers to use technology effectively for learning? #ELTChat |
| 4:01 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bcnpaul1 I have a post ready! @ShellTerrell did a Tradition vs Innovation talk recently :-D #ELTChat |
| 4:01 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell I've had older students teach material to junior years (under supervision!) using PPP. Both sides benefited. #ELTChat |
| 4:01 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@rliberni I've had 2 explain 2 parents why I didn't use every single activity of the book (unbelievable). Thkfully I'm good w/ ppl #eltchat |
| 4:02 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bcnpaul1 As long as you don't cheat & introduce new approaches LOL #ELTChat |
| 4:02 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Fantastic! RT @olafelch: I've had older students teach material to junior yrs (under supervision) using PPP Both sides benefited. #ELTChat |
| 4:02 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@Marisa_C nuts - looks like it's a blog challenge for me & the rest of the ELTChat group then! I'll get onto it! #ELTChat |
| 4:03 pm |
rliberni: |
@Marisa_C setting up a 3-day bank robbery role play set in the wild west to teach conditionals (the stds were politicians!) gr8 fun #eltchat |
| 4:03 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@chucksandy @olafelch Isn't that true of other approaches?A gifted teacher with those qualities can make a coursebook fly.. #ELTchat |
| 4:03 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Marisa_C Can't wait! #ELTChat |
| 4:03 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
@peterjohnfenton I couldn't agree more... So I try to not even take into consideration what they claim to be #eltchat |
| 4:03 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @olafelch: I've had older students teach material to junior yrs (under supervision) using PPP Both sides benefited. #ELTChat > Great! |
| 4:03 pm |
olafelch: |
@chucksandy Up to that point I agree with you completely, but I'm still not convinced that it's always appropriate. #eltchat |
| 4:04 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
I told the students not to buy the coursebook this year. Had parents ringing me up asking why. great conversations ensued #ELTChat |
| 4:04 pm |
chucksandy: |
@lukemeddings: yes. a gifted teacher can make anything fly. that's why at the end of the day methods don't matter. #eltchat |
| 4:04 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
Wonderful #eltchat, convo, lots of gr8 ideas everyone... But gotta rush. Class in 40 min and still have to eat! Thank you all! |
| 4:04 pm |
rliberni: |
@cecilialcoelho I suppose they could always do them as self study #eltchat |
| 4:04 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @chucksandy: @lukemeddings: yes. a gifted teacher can make anything fly. that's why at the end of the day methods don't matter. #eltchat |
| 4:04 pm |
olafelch: |
@LukeMeddings Agree completely. the gifted teacher can almost always compensate for materials deficiencies. #ELTchat |
| 4:04 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: @LukeMeddings Agree completely. the gifted teacher can almost always compensate for materials deficiencies. #ELTchat |
| 4:04 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
no coursebook = a mix of approaches suitable to their learning needs (including the wonderful PPP :) #ELTChat |
| 4:05 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@rliberni Which method/app did that come from? #eltchat |
| 4:05 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
Look forward to reading transcript later!!! #eltchat |
| 4:05 pm |
johnsonmaryj: |
Enjoying being a lurker in #eltchat. Impressed how much everyone brings the "art" of teaching to the discussion. |
| 4:05 pm |
chucksandy: |
@loafelch: i don't see dogme as teaching off the cuff. i see it more as making the most of teaching moments that arise #eltchat |
| 4:05 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @chucksandy: i don't see dogme as teaching off the cuff. i see it more as making the most of teaching moments that arise #eltchat |
| 4:05 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell @Marisa_C Mind you, you should have seen the opposition I got from my colleagues. #ELTChat |
| 4:06 pm |
rliberni: |
Some ideas for practising speaking http://bit.ly/a4tN8D #eltchat |
| 4:06 pm |
globaledcon: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Just blogged about my upcoming #globaled10 presentation http://bit.ly/cuZUvK@globaledcon #edchat #eltchat |
| 4:06 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
@bcnpaul1 Couldn't agree more, no coursebook allows for greater flexibility #eltchat |
| 4:06 pm |
esolcourses: |
New twist on a trad. activity: online gap fill for s's to practise lang. produced in a #Dogme lessonhttp://bit.ly/b4tt1e #ELTChat |
| 4:06 pm |
rliberni: |
@Marisa_C straight grammar teaching #eltchat |
| 4:06 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Thanks for the #eltchat everyone & the lovely moderators @Marisa_C @rliberni @olafelch #ELTChat |
| 4:06 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@johnsonmaryj Thank you! and thank you to anyone else who has been lurking! Please joins us next time around!!! #eltchat |
| 4:07 pm |
olafelch: |
Great session everyone. The website is back up and the transcript will be available asap. #ELTchat |
| 4:07 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@chucksandy "making the most of of teaching moments that arise" - nice #ELTChat |
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