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| October 13, 2010 |
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| 8:00 pm |
olafelch: |
So, How can we measure improvement in speaking? Are current exams a reliable benchmark in this respect? #ELTchat |
| 8:00 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Hello #ELTchatters - ready to start on ways of measuring improvement in oral performance #ELTchat |
| 8:01 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: So, How can we measure improvement in speaking? Are current exams a reliable benchmark in this respect? #ELTchat |
| 8:01 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @ShellTerrell: For the next hour my tweets dedicated to #ELTChat Plz join! Topic: Measuring Improvemt in oral performance |
| 8:01 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
#ELTchat takes over for the next hour. |
| 8:01 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @olafelch: So, How can we measure improvement in speaking? Are current exams a reliable benchmark in this respect? #ELTchat |
| 8:01 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @DaveDodgson #ELTchat takes over for the next hour. |
| 8:02 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @BethCagnol: RT @ShellTerrell: For the next hour my tweets dedicated to #ELTChat Plz join! Topic: Measuring Improvemt in oral performance |
| 8:02 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
Assessing speaking is a tough one - more subjective than testing other skills #ELTchat |
| 8:02 pm |
olafelch: |
What do the people here take account when measuring oral performance? #ELTchat |
| 8:03 pm |
BethCagnol: |
Got my Oreos, my bottle o' milk and music by ATB. Time for another good ol' #ELTCHAT! |
| 8:03 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
what's exams are we talking about in 'current exams' being a benchmark #ELTchat |
| 8:03 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
I think many exams do their best in measuring speaking ability but for classrm definitely we need varied types of assessments #ELTChat |
| 8:03 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Assessing speaking is a tough one - more subjective than testing other skills #ELTchat |
| 8:03 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Assessing speaking is a tough one - more subjective than testing other skills #ELTchat |
| 8:04 pm |
PixieAnia: |
hello everyone @#ELTchat time - measuring oral performance |
| 8:04 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
For ex. if we need to measure presentation performance for business Ss then presentation is better than an oral exam #ELTChat |
| 8:04 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Shaunwilden Cambridge ESOL tests are used with kids at my school. Speaking section is very easy though #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
vickyloras: |
Speaking is the stage that comes last in my opinion.People master all other skills first #ELTChat |
| 8:05 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson Agreed. A big issue is standardising appraisal by different teachers. How do they do it in the KET and PET exams? #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@olafelch primarily if communication takes place and message is delivered and unsderstood #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Many exams do their best in measuring speaking ability but for classrm definitely we need varied assessments #ELTChat |
| 8:05 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
There are different types of oral communication to measure & different contexts. Some Ss may excel in some areas & not others #ELTChat |
| 8:06 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
#ELTChat RT @bethcagnol: Do the exams do their best, or the teacher/administrators? That's the kicker.... |
| 8:06 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@ShellTerrell Agree we need several different types of tests for speaking. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:06 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@vickyloras But for kids, I think speaking skills develop faster early on #ELTchat |
| 8:06 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@ShellTerrell The CEF calls for measuring learner's speaking (presentations, conversations, answering questions, interactions, etc) #ELTCHAT |
| 8:07 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch Not sure about KET/PET but for Starters, Movers, FLyers its the kid & an external examiner #ELTchat |
| 8:07 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@DaveDodgson @ShellTerrell What types of assessments have you all been using? And what means of /tracking/plotting progress #ELTChat |
| 8:07 pm |
mattledding: |
RT @ShellTerrell: There are different types of oral communication to measure & different contexts. Some Ss may excel in some areas & not others #ELTChat |
| 8:07 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden I understood that much. I was wondering how the examiners come to a standard evaluation? #ELTchat |
| 8:07 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bethcagnol Yes the admin. I learned this summer how diff Exams check assessors & I think they do their best to prepare them #ELTChat |
| 8:07 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bethcagnol: CEF calls for measuring learner's speaking (presentations, conversations, answering questions, interactions, etc) #ELTCHAT |
| 8:07 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
I spent a lot of time advising on a new speaking exam in Czech rep, it was really hard 2 get tchrs 2 c beyond accuracy #ELTchat |
| 8:07 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C Speaking assessment has never been done formally inhouse at my school! #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@ #ELTchat should we focus more on measuring fluency or accuracy?does it depend on ss' level? |
| 8:08 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: What types of assessments have you all been using? And what means of /tracking/plotting progress #ELTChat |
| 8:08 pm |
vickyloras: |
Def!teach mostly adults this yr&have those in mindRT @DaveDodgson : @vickyloras 4kids,I think sp.skills develop faster early on #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
olafelch: |
@BethCagnol There is a very good DVD available from Strasbourg with comparative examples. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:08 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C Personally, I try to record some pair/group conversations, presentations, role-play but all informal #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@ShellTerrell Yeah, the main ones do. But teachers using makeshift speaking tests in language schools aren't so lucky. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:09 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @Shaunwilden Cambridge ESOL tests are used with kids at my school. Speaking section is very easy though #ELTchat |
| 8:09 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@olafelch Dont they spend hours practising? Thats what we made them to in Czech Rep - video after video #ELTchat |
| 8:09 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: @DaveDodgson Agreed. A big issue is standardising appraisal by different teachers. How do they do it in the KET and PET exams? #ELTchat |
| 8:09 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@DaveDodgson @ShellTerrell #ELTchat How about if we first train Ss themselves to use banding systems |
| 8:09 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@PixieAnia I say fluency trumps accuracy. Big time. It's like that in the real world. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:09 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden I can believe that! #ELTchat |
| 8:09 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@vickyloras But the crazy thing is, speaking is the easiest part of kids' tests! #ELTchat |
| 8:09 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Shaunwilden: I spent a lot of time advising on a new speaking exam in Czech rep, it was really hard 2 get tchrs 2 c beyond accuracy #ELTchat |
| 8:09 pm |
mattledding: |
Am not a big exam fan for speaking... but i think it is a good idea to record speaking at intervals to note improvement.#eltchat |
| 8:09 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell Yeah, the main ones do. But teachers using makeshift speaking tests in language schools aren't so lucky. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:09 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@olafelch Thanks for the tip. Will look into it. #ELTCHAT (re: DVD) |
| 8:10 pm |
vickyloras: |
@DaveDodgson Exactly!Why is this happening, in your opinion Dave? #ELTChat |
| 8:10 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bethcagnol Very true but then I think sometimes those institutions a bit lax in assessing maybe due to the funding? #ELTChat |
| 8:10 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @BethCagnol: @PixieAnia I say fluency trumps accuracy. Big time. It's like that in the real world. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:10 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Personally, I try to record some pair/group conversations, presentations, role-play but all informal #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @mattledding: Am not a big exam fan for speaking... but i think it is a good idea to record speaking at intervals to note improvement.#eltchat |
| 8:11 pm |
japglish: |
#ELTChat I guess the IELTS speaking exam is taken by more Ss than any other? Accuracy only one measure - lexical range, fluency, pron, gram |
| 8:11 pm |
olafelch: |
@bethcagnol I've got an email address somewhere. If I can find it I'll DM you. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:11 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bethcagnol I usually tend to work for organizations with the makeshift tests. Some do a lot better than others #ELTChat |
| 8:11 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Recordings a great idea as they can be compared over time #ELTchat - Ss can see own progress which quite important |
| 8:11 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@vickyloras I think it's because reading, listening & writing are more 'black & white' to mark. #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@ShellTerrell Yup. It's a money and training issue. Too many teachers are not trained in testing "theory" and practice. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:11 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat How about if we first train Ss themselves to use banding systems |
| 8:11 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@vickyloras Speaking tests are kept simple to make marking easier! (in my opinion :p) #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Good questions! RT @PixieAnia: #ELTchat should we focus more on measuring fluency or accuracy?does it depend on ss' level? |
| 8:12 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @mattledding: Am not a big exam fan for speaking... but it is a good idea to record speaking at intervals to note improvement.#eltchat |
| 8:12 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @Marisa_C: Recordings a great idea as they can be compared over time #ELTchat - Ss can see own progress which quite important #eltchat |
| 8:12 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @Marisa_C: Recordings a great idea as they can be compared over time. Ss can see own progress which quite important #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@ #ELTchat for YL speaking comes after listening- just like with L1 acquisition,older ss n higher level needs writing to speed up speaking |
| 8:12 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @DaveDodgson : @vickyloras I think it's because reading, listening & writing are more 'black & white' to mark. #ELTchat >>Agree!! |
| 8:12 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Me too! RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C I try to record some pair/group conversations, presentations, role-play but all informal #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @vickyloras Speaking tests are kept simple to make marking easier! (in my opinion :p) #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C Not sure about banding systems but at least explaining expectattions is a good idea #ELTchat |
| 8:13 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @BethCagnol: @PixieAnia I say fluency trumps accuracy. Big time. It's like that in the real world. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:13 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @mattledding: Am not a big exam fan for speaking... but i think it is a good idea to record speaking at intervals to note improvement.#eltchat |
| 8:13 pm |
japglish: |
#ELTchat IELTS descriptors also appear to be the most comprehensive and exact with global stand. through training and double marking |
| 8:13 pm |
BethCagnol: |
Makeshift speaking test expl. "Have you seen any films recently?" Learner MUST say: "No I haven't" "Yes I have" or not given point. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:13 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@DaveDodgson Agree - cannot hurt either even if interpretations not 100% accurate - whose are anyway? #ELTchat |
| 8:14 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol That's a bit harsh! #ELTchat |
| 8:14 pm |
BethCagnol: |
I taught in a school that asked that question and it was a nightmare. Perfectly good answers were not accepted. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:15 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C That's why I think fluency should override accuracy in speaking assessment #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
mattledding: |
And doing tests for job placements a while back, (in my IH madrid days...) was luck based, depended how well s got yr accent. #eltchat |
| 8:15 pm |
olafelch: |
@BethCagnol But most native speakers would just say "No" in that case. #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @japglish: #ELTchat IELTS descriptors also appear to be the most comprehensive and exact with global stand. through training and double marking |
| 8:15 pm |
talkclouds: |
@bethcagnol I'd probably flunk! #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol Communication and flow of conversation should be prioritised in that situation #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell Yup. It's a money and training issue. Too many teachers are not trained in testing "theory" and practice. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:16 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bethcagnol I agree! I remember 1st yr teaching ESL in US & they had me assess Ss for level. I hadn't taken testing theory class #ELTChat |
| 8:16 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@#ELTchat @bethcagnol true! so- accuracy-focused taks first and then let them go with the flow? :-) |
| 8:16 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@mattledding That got me thinking - should accent/pronunciation affect the learner's score? #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@DaveDodgson @Marisa_C I agree but overrride to what extent? At some point we have to reward accuracy don't we? #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @BethCagnol Communication and flow of conversation should be prioritised in that situation #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol In Starters, it's more like a listening test: 'Point to the man in the red jumper' etc! #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
mattledding: |
@bethcagnol maybe the school was profiling ss? :-) crazy ! #eltchat |
| 8:17 pm |
japglish: |
#ELTChat Most cap. cities have a British Council office which does plenty of IELTS examiner training (and pays examiners relatively well) |
| 8:18 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @mattledding That got me thinking - should accent/pronunciation affect the learner's score? Thats tough one #eltchat |
| 8:18 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden The classic challenge is 1 student says a lot badly and the other says very little perfectly. What do you do? #ELTchat |
| 8:18 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Shaunwilden Of course - both are needed for top marks! But high fluency, low accuracy is better than the other way round #ELTchat |
| 8:19 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Shaunwilden e.g. Chelsea manager Ancoletti - thick Italian accent but perfectly accurate English! #ELTchat |
| 8:19 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bethcagnol I made mistake placed S as beginner. His jet lag made him terrible, but we considered formal measures put him upper int #ELTChat |
| 8:20 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@mattledding Needless to say: nightmare. But fortunately, I'm now working for schools that know better. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:20 pm |
mattledding: |
@DaveDodgson think it depends on test, but teaching connected speech (and third condish, sadly) will give points anywhere... #eltchat |
| 8:20 pm |
olafelch: |
@bethcagnol I generally lose those arguments with my colleagues too - Their professor knew better than me apparently. ;o( #ELTchat |
| 8:20 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@DaveDodgson #ELTchat i think starters are treated like L1 learners - listening skills first then speaking |
| 8:20 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @DaveDodgson @Marisa_C I agree but overrride to what extent? At some point we have to reward accuracy don't we? #ELTchat - |
| 8:20 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@DaveDodgson Um...what's a jumper? ;-) (sorry I'm American). #ELTCHAT |
| 8:20 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@DaveDodgson Well then we have to take football loyalty into consideration, he'd score low with me :-) #ELTchat |
| 8:21 pm |
olafelch: |
@mattledding Is there a 3rd conditional? ;o) #eltchat |
| 8:21 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @olafelch: @Shaunwilden Classic challenge - 1 student says a lot badly and the other says very little perfectly. What do you do? #ELTchat |
| 8:21 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@PixieAnia But they can speak so much more than the exam expects! #ELTchat |
| 8:22 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @olafelch: @bethcagnol I generally lose those arguments with my colleagues too - Their professor knew better than me apparently. ;o( #ELTchat |
| 8:22 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol sweater? pullover? #ELTchat |
| 8:22 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@olafelch Well in that czech exam the second one in your e.g. would get better marks which drives me nuts #ELTchat |
| 8:22 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Trainer once told me at the end of the day we have to C if student can communicate their message successfully to other party #ELTChat |
| 8:23 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Trainer once told me at the end of the day we have to C if student can communicate their message successfully to other party #ELTChat |
| 8:23 pm |
mattledding: |
@bethcagnol. I hear you. :-) #eltchat |
| 8:23 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
Are all speaking tests examiner & student? What about two students together? #ELTchat |
| 8:23 pm |
mattledding: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Trainer once told me at the end of the day we have to C if student can communicate their message successfully to other party #ELTChat |
| 8:24 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@DaveDodgson #ELTchat that's true! lack of challenge there. |
| 8:24 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden I like the Cambridge approach of classifying errors as disturbing or non-disturbing #ELTchat |
| 8:24 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@DaveDodgson Cambridge Main Suite includes 2 or 3 sts working together #ELTchat |
| 8:25 pm |
Marisa_C: |
We do train Ss to take exams though and accuracy is sometimes equally important - eg for advanced CPE etc #ELTchat |
| 8:25 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden The problem is that a large volume of non-disturbing errors becomes disturbing. #ELTchat |
| 8:25 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch A 'disturbing' error? Does it make the examiner feel uncomfortable? :p #ELTchat |
| 8:26 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Now I ask, What is preventing the Ss from expressing their message successfully? For some it's pronunciation, others voc, etc #ELTChat |
| 8:26 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @Marisa_C We do train Ss to take exams though and accuracy is sometimes equally important - eg for advanced CPE etc #ELTchat |
| 8:26 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Shaunwilden Do students ever feel 'dragged down' by a weaker colleague? #ELTchat |
| 8:26 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @olafelch: I like Cambridge approach of classifying errors as disturbing or non-disturbing #ELTchat gd system for those that are.... |
| 8:26 pm |
melgarrish: |
RT @olafelch: RT @Shaunwilden: The problem is that a large volume of non-disturbing errors becomes disturbing. #ELTchat > Brilliant;-) |
| 8:27 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson In a way, yes. ;o) Disturbing means that it disrupts the flow of communication. #ELTchat |
| 8:27 pm |
BethCagnol: |
Dare I bring up the ELF argument? Has fluency in ELF influenced speaking tests? #ELTCHAT |
| 8:27 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol We tried it but the problem of who worked with who caused issues #ELTchat |
| 8:27 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @olafelch: are trained in it but then so many teachers arent and might not be able to classify #ELTchat |
| 8:27 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Differentiate between our day-to-day assessments & progress tests which include spking #ELTchat or not? |
| 8:28 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Voxopop has a wonderful platform for getting Ss to practice English outside the classhttp://bit.ly/gke7M #ELTChat Any other tools? |
| 8:28 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: Differentiate between our day-to-day assessments & progress tests which include spking #ELTchat or not? |
| 8:28 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @BethCagnol: Dare I bring up the ELF argument? Has fluency in ELF influenced speaking tests? #ELTCHAT |
| 8:28 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol But for kids, I think another kid as partner is less stressful than an adult stranger #ELTchat |
| 8:28 pm |
mattledding: |
@olafelch 3rd only exists in job placement English. #eltchat teach a phrase like "if I'd givn u 100$ would you have giv'n me better score?" |
| 8:28 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Of course #ELTCHAT |
| 8:29 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell I used Voicethread last year for my kids to practice individual presentations from home #ELTchat |
| 8:29 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden Agreed. Some teachers "get it" in 5 mins, but some can never get past the idea that a mistake is a mistake. #ELTchat |
| 8:29 pm |
lydbury: |
@lydbury Oh - and, of course, of course. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:29 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Voxopop has a wonderful platform practice English outside classhttp://bit.ly/gke7M #ELTChat Any other tools? voicethread |
| 8:29 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @BethCagnol: Dare I bring up the ELF argument? Has fluency in ELF influenced speaking tests? #ELTCHAT - don't think so |
| 8:29 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Oh - and, of course, of course. #ELTCHAT #ELTCHAT |
| 8:29 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch Thanks for clearing that up #ELTchat |
| 8:30 pm |
olafelch: |
@mattledding Ah, the excuse conditional! #eltchat |
| 8:30 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@DaveDodgson When it comes to teaching kids, I'm a little out of the loop. Just teach 18 years old and up. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:30 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@DaveDodgson I love using Voicethread! Great communication tool #ELTChat |
| 8:30 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
@Marisa_C Tend to agree really need accuracy focus at hiher levels, or else get an imbalance with fluency. #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell Kids love it too. I think the video/audio combination appeals to them #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @vbenevolofranca: @Marisa_C Tend to agree really need accuracy focus at hiher levels, or else get an imbalance with fluency. #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@Marisa_C Has ELF awareness influenced teacher's ability to assess speaking? #ELTCHAT |
| 8:31 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell Voxopop also great to keep track of progress - online speaking test sounds great to me #ELTCHAT |
| 8:31 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell I used Voicethread last year for my kids to practice individual presentations from home #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@DaveDodgson And the doodling feature :-) #ELTChat |
| 8:32 pm |
cybraryman1: |
How do you deal with language anxiety that some students have that will affect their oral performance? #eltchat |
| 8:32 pm |
mattledding: |
Does anyone have as practise w voice rec software for accuracy? #eltchat |
| 8:32 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell They never realised it was there. Then again, neither did I! #ELTchat |
| 8:32 pm |
BethCagnol: |
If you think ELF hasn't influenced our ability to assess speakers, then what about our hearing the same learner-type all the time? #ELTCHAT |
| 8:33 pm |
olafelch: |
Is this something where an e-portfolio could play a role, with the learner storing oral presentations at regular intervals? #ELTchat |
| 8:33 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @cybraryman1: How do you deal with language anxiety that some students have that will affect their oral performance? #eltchat Gd Q! |
| 8:33 pm |
IateflPoland: |
@DaveDodgson #ELTchat Students are often inspired by weaker Sts. as they feel they can shine more easily. |
| 8:33 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@IateflPoland But I think an 8 year old might feel stressed about having an exam with a stranger #ELTchat |
| 8:33 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @mattledding: Does anyone have as practise w voice rec software for accuracy? #eltchat |
| 8:33 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@mattledding Yes, voiceovers in powerpoint presentations #eltchat |
| 8:33 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @olafelch: something where an e-portfolio could play a role, with the learner storing oral presentations at regular intervals? #ELTchat |
| 8:34 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
RT @olafelch: Is this something where an e-portfolio could play a role, with the learner storing oral presentations at regular intervals? #ELTchat |
| 8:34 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Great example of @englishraven helping his Ss practice for TOEFL test using Voxopophttp://bit.ly/aYkBXy #ELTChat |
| 8:34 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@IateflPoland Sorry, thought you were replying to a different point! #ELTchat |
| 8:34 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@IateflPoland Peter! Use the #ELTCHAT hashtag in your tweets and join us! |
| 8:34 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: Voxopop also great to keep track of progress - online speaking test sounds great to me #ELTCHAT |
| 8:34 pm |
Marisa_C: |
No matter how you sell this to me it sounds like seal training #ELTchat |
| 8:34 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @IateflPoland: @DaveDodgson #ELTchat Students are often inspired by weaker Sts. as they feel they can shine more easily. |
| 8:35 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@olafelch: Culture has a big part to play, e.g. Czech is very accurate lang so they expect English to be spoken so #ELTchat |
| 8:35 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @mattledding: Does anyone have as practise w voice rec software for accuracy? #eltchat |
| 8:35 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@cybraryman1 re: test anxiety: I try to prepare them for it. Expect it. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:35 pm |
olafelch: |
@Marisa_C @cybraryman1 I get all my learners to play "Just a minute" at regular intervals - great for nervousness. #eltchat |
| 8:35 pm |
mattledding: |
@cybraryman1 great q! maybe switching classes and doing practice test w other Teachr? #eltchat |
| 8:35 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
Audio recording tools are great for practice, esp. with monologues #ELTchat |
| 8:36 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @olafelch: Culture has a big part to play, e.g. Czech is very accurate lang so they expect English to be spoken so #ELTchat |
| 8:36 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Audio recording tools are great for practice, esp. with monologues #ELTchat |
| 8:36 pm |
mattledding: |
RT @olafelch: Is this something where an e-portfolio could play a role, with the learner storing oral presentations at regular intervals? #ELTchat |
| 8:36 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Audio recording tools are great for practice, esp. with monologues #ELTchat |
| 8:36 pm |
lydbury: |
@mattledding @bethcagnol Dragon - yes - OK but not perfect #eltchat |
| 8:36 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
Which is better - recorded student presentation or live? #eltchat |
| 8:36 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @olafelch: @Marisa_C @cybraryman1 I get all my learners to play "Just a minute" at regular intervals - great for nervousness. #eltchat |
| 8:37 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
We've talked a lot about formative assessment. What about ongoing informal assessment in class? How do you do it? #ELTchat |
| 8:37 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden Good point. Structure is king in German, so they don't like multiple options for saying things. #ELTchat |
| 8:37 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @DaveDodgson: We've talked a lot about formative assessment. What about ongoing informal assessment in class? How do you do it? #ELTchat |
| 8:37 pm |
IateflPoland: |
@vickyloras #ELTchat However, strategy and planning, and who to partner, and how to deal with the exam tasks, etc, is mega important. |
| 8:38 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
My students love English Central's speech recognition tool that tests pronunciationhttp://bit.ly/9I1Pa8 #ELTChat |
| 8:38 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @MsAxthelm: Which is better - recorded student presentation or live? #eltchat Better for what? |
| 8:38 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@DaveDodgson I arrange debates, mini-group presentations, student-student interviews and take copious notes on speaking skills. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:38 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Gr8 ? RT @DaveDodgson: We've talked a lot about formative assessmt. What about ongoing informal assessmt in class? How do u do it? #ELTchat |
| 8:38 pm |
mattledding: |
RT @DaveDodgson: We've talked a lot about formative assessment. What about ongoing informal assessment in class? How do you do it? #ELTchat |
| 8:38 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @MsAxthelm: Which is better - recorded student presentation or live? #eltchat (Depends. Live is not always practicable.) |
| 8:38 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @BethCagnol: @DaveDodgson I arrange debates, mini-group presentations, student-student interviews and take copious notes on speaking skills. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:39 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@olafelch And then there is the pedant bridgade - less /fewer, split infinitives and all that :-) #ELTchat |
| 8:39 pm |
Marisa_C: |
ongoing informal assessment IS formative, innit? #ELTchat |
| 8:39 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@Shaunwilden GP! I was thinking assessment #eltchat |
| 8:39 pm |
PixieAnia: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Gr8 ? RT @DaveDodgson: We've talked a lot about formative assessmt. What about ongoing informal assessmt in class? How do u do it? #ELTchat |
| 8:39 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol Sounds great, except for the copious notes bit ;) #ELTchat |
| 8:39 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch @Shaunwilden I find my German Ss really want accuracy as well. They almost wont speak if they think they aren't perfect #ELTChat |
| 8:39 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@olafelch Wow. So, set phrases win over choices in Germany? #ELTCHAT |
| 8:40 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: ongoing informal assessment IS formative, innit? #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C Sorry, mixed up my formatives and summatives. It's been a long day... #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
olafelch: |
@mattledding In smaller classes, you can keep running notes, but in big classes that's difficult. #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
vickyloras: |
@DaveDodgson In-class I keep notes while they're talking,and then point out all their good points,give them motivation... #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@bethcagnol @DaveDodgson Have you used SOLOM? #eltchat |
| 8:40 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@DaveDodgson I'm a ridiculously fast typist. I can almost type what my students say word for word during debates. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:41 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@DaveDodgson :-D I thought I was suffering a head stroke! He he #ELTchat |
| 8:41 pm |
vickyloras: |
@DaveDodgson And then I wrote on the board or point out all the mistakes regardless of who made them. #ELTChat |
| 8:41 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@MsAxthelm No, what's that? #ELTchat |
| 8:41 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell Accuracy freaks! :-) #ELTChat |
| 8:41 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol I'd have to use a recorder I think! #ELTchat |
| 8:42 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell We have some of those in Greece as well... #ELTChat |
| 8:42 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@MsAxthelm Student Oral Language Observation Matrix (SOLOM)...No. #ELTCHAT. You? |
| 8:42 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@bethcagnol @DaveDodgson Student Oral Lang Observation Matrix? #eltchat |
| 8:42 pm |
olafelch: |
@bethcagnol They're not keen on grey areas at all! #ELTCHAT |
| 8:43 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@MsAxthelm Well personally speaking I'd got for live but i can good and bad for both #ELTchat |
| 8:43 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@vickyloras I do the same, for the most glaring and repeated errors #ELTchat |
| 8:43 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Marisa_C It's tough because you try to get them to learn fr mistakes but they don't want to make them #ELTChat |
| 8:43 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@bethcagnol Yeah, It can be helpful in trying to assess a number of students because it is a rubric - just circle level w/ notes... #eltchat |
| 8:43 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
I envy you! RT @bethcagnol: I'm a ridiculously fast typist. I can almost type what my students say word for word during debates. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:43 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@DaveDodgson Typing it out saves me time. I then collect the errors & use it as grammar work next class. Students really like it. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:43 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @bethcagnol: @MsAxthelm Student Oral Language Observation Matrix (SOLOM)...No. #ELTCHAT. Sounds painful, what it is? |
| 8:44 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @MsAxthelm: @bethcagnol @DaveDodgson Student Oral Lang Observation Matrix? #eltchat - good ole google http://bit.ly/bihc4Y |
| 8:44 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell #ELTChat lot of companies, they really want me to give a lecture which they can learn from at home and demonstrate next time. |
| 8:44 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@MsAxthelm Well all the banding systems we talked about earlier include similar parameters as SOLOM #eltchat |
| 8:44 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@olafelch Wow. Interesting. Very methodical. While the French adults want the most sophisticated answer. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:44 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@olafelch @#ELTCHAT true! best to pick most common mistakes which are likely to b repeated |
| 8:45 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@Shaunwilden @bethcagnol :) Not painful! SOLOM is just a rubric for speaking skills. #eltchat |
| 8:45 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
List of audio tools explained & examples to assess your Ss http://bit.ly/9MNyNN #Eltchat |
| 8:45 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @DaveDodgson Student Oral Lang Observation Matrix? #eltchat - good ole googlehttp://bit.ly/bihc4Y |
| 8:45 pm |
mattledding: |
#eltchat will read rest written later... battery on phone dying... #remembersparebattery |
| 8:45 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell So they would rather stay silent? You have to use sales techniques here :-) #ELTChat |
| 8:46 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch That's crazy to expect that level of speaking! It takes time to develop #ELTChat |
| 8:46 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: List of audio tools explained & examples to assess your Ss http://bit.ly/9MNyNN#Eltchat |
| 8:46 pm |
lydbury: |
@PixieAnia I agree - we are not looking for 100% accuracy but 100% communication #ELTCHAT |
| 8:46 pm |
olafelch: |
@bethcagnol The odd thing is that some of them can learn very effectively like that. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:46 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@Shaunwilden so fast! A quick way to keep assessing... Something like this can be modified, of course... #eltchat |
| 8:46 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @lydbury: @PixieAnia I agree - we are not looking for 100% accuracy but 100% communication #ELTCHAT |
| 8:47 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@IateflPoland I will relay the message! LOL! But I don't think they'll take it too humorously ;-) #ELTChat |
| 8:47 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @bethcagnol Typing it out saves me time.I then collect the errors & use it as grammar work next class. Students really like it. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:47 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @lydbury: @PixieAnia I agree - we are not looking for 100% accuracy but 100% communication #ELTCHAT |
| 8:47 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
RT @lydbury: @PixieAnia I agree - we are not looking for 100% accuracy but 100% communication #ELTCHAT |
| 8:47 pm |
teadira: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: List of audio tools explained & examples to assess your Sshttp://bit.ly/9MNyNN #Eltchat |
| 8:47 pm |
lydbury: |
RT @olafelch: @bethcagnol The odd thing is that some of them can learn very effectively like that. #ELTCHAT <True |
| 8:48 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@bethcagnol @#ELTCHAT that's a great idea - grammar tasks with lg students struggled while speaking during previous lesson! simple n great! |
| 8:48 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Marisa_C I often bribe with American chocolate ;-) or threaten not to give corrections ;-) which they absolutely love here #ELTChat |
| 8:48 pm |
lydbury: |
I'm a newbie here - when does #eltchat happen? |
| 8:48 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@olafelch I know a teacher who's students are quite successful using that technique. It scares a lot of other teachers though. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:48 pm |
olafelch: |
How difficult do teachers find it to blend out the L1 influenced mistakes in their students? #ELTchat |
| 8:49 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
But does error correction improve speaking? I'm thinking learning, acquiring, automising here... #ELTchat |
| 8:49 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@lydbury You are in the middle of it #eltchat |
| 8:49 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: How difficult do teachers find it to blend out the L1 influenced mistakes in their students? #ELTchat |
| 8:49 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @olafelch: How difficult do teachers find it to blend out the L1 influenced mistakes in their students? #ELTchat |
| 8:49 pm |
lydbury: |
@olafelch Very difficult. Trying to convince them that English is a simple language is hard. #ELTchat |
| 8:49 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @Marisa_C RT @ShellTerrell: List of audio tools explained & examples to assess your Sshttp://bit.ly/9MNyNN #Eltchat #esl #edtech #efl |
| 8:49 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@Marisa_C sorry I missed the first part. I see you already talked about systems of assessment. #eltchat |
| 8:49 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@russell1955 spoke about mail.vu at a recetn conference, email with video, might be useful for sts and teacher http://bit.ly/dsCHsR #eltchat |
| 8:50 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch Most of them drop the L1 errors with time #ELTchat |
| 8:50 pm |
lydbury: |
@ShellTerrell Just tell them there is no taxi to the airport on Saturday! #ELTChat |
| 8:50 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Yticilef I'm fortunate I have many recording devices in my room so usually have Ss record themselves, replay & correct #ELTChat |
| 8:50 pm |
olafelch: |
@lydbury Welcome aboard! You can find the details at http://eltchat.com #eltchat |
| 8:50 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@PixieAnia I hand them a list of sentences w/ their errors, but don't identify who made the mistk (I find they cn do that thmslvs) #ELTCHAT |
| 8:50 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @DaveDodgson: But does error correction improve speaking? I'm thinking learning, acquiring, automising here. #ELTchat > No answer 2 that |
| 8:50 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @DaveDodgson: But does error correction improve speaking? I'm thinking learning, acquiring, automising here... #ELTchat |
| 8:50 pm |
cybraryman1: |
@lydbury #eltchat on my Ed Chats page: http://bit.ly/bBcuWV |
| 8:51 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@MsAxthelm No worries just enjoy tht chat and say whatever u like #eltchat |
| 8:51 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @BethCagnol: @PixieAnia I hand them a list of sentences w/ their errors, but don't identify who made the mistk (I find they cn do that thmslvs) #ELTCHAT |
| 8:51 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson I've been so long in Germany now that I sometimes miss really glaring L1 mistakes. #ELTchat |
| 8:51 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @Shaunwilden @russell1955 spoke about mail.vu at a recent conf., email with video,might b useful for sts&T http://bit.ly/dsCHsR #eltchat |
| 8:51 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
RT @ShellTerrell: @Yticilef I'm fortunate I have many recording devices in my room so usually have Ss record themselves, replay & correct #ELTChat |
| 8:51 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell I can be bribed with chocolate too - I know some other firends here who wuld do anything for chocolate #ELTChat |
| 8:52 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C I think error correction helps short term but for the correction to stick, more time & practice is needed #ELTchat |
| 8:52 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @olafelch Most of them drop the L1 errors with time #ELTchat after a few years I forgot they were actually errors :-) |
| 8:52 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@BethCagnol Love this! I think I'll steal this idea! Do you email or have time to make copies? I think I might have to email them #ELTChat |
| 8:52 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@Marisa_C I am enjoying it! Tx :) #eltchat |
| 8:53 pm |
BethCagnol: |
I find there are just some L1 errors that don't go away (ELF argument back!) because they hear them in the workplace everyday. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:53 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @MsAxthelm:I know it can be tough for me with advanced el's, but I am new to this - you taught me sth so glad you came along:-) #eltchat |
| 8:53 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch I'm still at the stage where I anticipate the L1 influence #ELTchat |
| 8:53 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @russell1955 spoke about mail.vu at conference, email w/ video, useful for sts & teacher http://bit.ly/dsCHsR #eltchat |
| 8:53 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@ShellTerrell Sometimes I type out the errors in an email and send it right away (for Business English students) during the class. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:53 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @Marisa_C : @ShellTerrell I can be bribed with choc 2-I know some other firends here who wld do anything for choc #ELTChat >>ME!!Me!!! |
| 8:54 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Yes indeed #ELTCHAT |
| 8:54 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@ShellTerrell For classes w/o internet, I type them up on a word document and email it, or use in class, or post it on Edmodo. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:54 pm |
olafelch: |
@lydbury On 1 level it's simple, but no other lang suffers from "You could say that but nobody would" as much as English. #ELTchat |
| 8:54 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Marisa_C Me too! :-) #ELTChat |
| 8:54 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@bethcagnol @#ELTCHAT i really like this idea. it seems to b a successful one if teacher is consistent and persistent. I am sure you are!:-) |
| 8:54 pm |
lydbury: |
@vickyloras Steady on! #ELTChat |
| 8:55 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@DaveDodgson Agree - have not seen significant improvement in oral skills due to error correction - comes from more speaking #ELTchat |
| 8:55 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@lydbury You really want to talk about ELF, don't you. ;-) Just a hunch. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:55 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @BethCagnol: Sometimes I type out the errors in an email and send it right away (for BE sts) during the class. #ELTCHAT, great idea |
| 8:55 pm |
lydbury: |
@olafelch True #ELTchat |
| 8:56 pm |
lydbury: |
@BethCagnol ?Edmodo? #ELTCHAT |
| 8:56 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@PixieAnia Blush. I never leave home without my computer. And I'm a huge fan of saving time. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:56 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol There now! #ELTCHAT |
| 8:56 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Error correction is not assessment I might point out as mod but if you wish to take the chat that way who am I to stop you :-D #ELTchat |
| 8:56 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Thanks everyone for another great #ELTChat I have some great ideas to use tomorrow :-) |
| 8:56 pm |
olafelch: |
So what is the measure of improvement? Scope Fluency? Accent? What has the greatest influence? #ELTchat |
| 8:57 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@lydbury http://www.edmodo.com/ #ELTCHAT |
| 8:57 pm |
MsAxthelm: |
@Shaunwilden Tx! #eltchat |
| 8:57 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
The most nerve-racking exam I ever had was my French GCSE speaking! Just felt so unprepared #ELTchat |
| 8:57 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Marisa_C We missed your pre-reading today :( #ELTChat |
| 8:57 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @BethCagnol: Sometimes I type out the errors in an email and send it right away (for BE sts) during the class. #ELTCHAT, great idea |
| 8:57 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch Fluency and scope for me (as long as the accent is understandable) #ELTchat |
| 8:57 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell Quitting early, are you??? ;o) #ELTChat |
| 8:57 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@vickyloras No wonder you live in Switzerland ;-) #ELTChat |
| 8:57 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Nice one - new to me #ELTCHAT |
| 8:58 pm |
gret: |
@ShellTerrell Sorry I missed #ELTChat... I wasn't feeling very well and needed to rest for a while =) We'll go through the transcript later! |
| 8:58 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@Marisa_C Sorry! oops. You're right. I realize I contradicted myself (prioritizing fluency over accuracy earlier in the #ELTCHAT) |
| 8:58 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: So what is the measure of improvement? Scope Fluency? Accent? What has the greatest influence? #ELTchat |
| 8:58 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C We missed your pre-reading today :( #ELTChat Lol :-) Yes marisa poor form :-) |
| 8:58 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@DaveDodgson oooo!!!! Juicy tib bits you MUST share with us. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:58 pm |
lydbury: |
@DaveDodgson Agreed #ELTchat |
| 8:58 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell I know - been naughty today - was in Second Life and here so .... one brain.... well, almost.... #ELTChat |
| 8:59 pm |
lydbury: |
What time is #eltchat guys? |
| 8:59 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@lydbury My MBA students love Edmodo. They use it like an exclusive club. And I can communicate with them on my phone. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:59 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@Shaunwilden Sorry about that.. can you make up with some grrrrreat post-reading? #ELTChat |
| 8:59 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson I like my learners to kill off the national trade mark errors - Germans saying "bed" when they mean "bad" for example. #ELTchat |
| 8:59 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch I got a podcast date w/ @DaveDodgson & the puggy is giving me them doe eyes again ;-) #ELTChat |
| 9:00 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@BethCagnol Just that we never did any significant preparation for it & the examiner tutted & sighed a lot! #ELTchat |
| 9:00 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@Shaunwilden I actually did dissertation on assessing fluency -findings of research: criteria for its assessment ALL linguistic #ELTChat |
| 9:00 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch I have one student who will not say and, she always says "und" & blames on being born in Saarland area. I have no idea #ELTChat |
| 9:01 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell Has Rosco got eyes? #ELTChat |
| 9:01 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch Yes, always feel like progress is made when my students drop the 'Turklish' errors! #ELTchat |
| 9:01 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@DaveDodgson If s/he was French, then that's what they do 24/7. Pfff! Tisk-sigh! Grimace, etc. #ELTCHAT |
| 9:02 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @Marisa_C: Sorry about that.. can you make up with some grrrrreat post-reading? #ELTChathttp://bit.ly/cp2e39 is onstopenglish |
| 9:02 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
Thanks all for a great chat. Better go and get podcasted! #ELTchat |
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