Can online language teaching replace classroom instruction

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September 22, 2010

2:01 pm	ShellTerrell:	Welcome to #ELTChat Topic: Can online language teaching replace classroom instruction? Will it? Do we want it to?
2:01 pm	InglesInteract:	I will keep up, try to take part at #ELTchat too
2:01 pm	rliberni:	For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat
2:01 pm	Marisa_C:	Can online teaching replace classroom instruction? Will it and do we want it to? How do you feel abt this ?#ELTChat
2:02 pm	Marisa_C:	Hello? #:ELTchattters! #ELTchat
2:02 pm	englishraven:	Yes, it can. Yes, it probably will - depending on context. #ELTChat
2:03 pm	Shaunwilden:	I don't think it will (well not for sometime) and I am not sure i want to #ELTchat
2:03 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @englishraven: Yes, it can. Yes, it probably will - depending on context. #ELTChat Here is Jason's opening move!
2:03 pm	cecilialcoelho:	Does online teaching have to REPLACE classroom instruction? #ELTChat
2:03 pm	olafelch:	When we are talking about online teaching, are we talking about synchronous teaching or asynchronous teaching? #ELTchat
2:03 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat I really love the face to face contact with teaching & thionk sts get a lot from it
2:03 pm	janetbianchini:	#ELTChat I think there will always be a place for classroom instruction - for the truly personal face2face element which is important
2:03 pm	InglesInteract:	@ShellTerrell #ELTchat Maybe it will in the future, in fact we already have many tools to use with out std's
2:03 pm	hoprea:	It can replace lots of things that we do in the classroom, but I don't think it can replace everything. #eltchat
2:04 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @cecilialcoelho: Does online teaching have to REPLACE classroom instruction? #ELTChat - No, it doesn't
2:04 pm	englishraven:	RT @bcnpaul1: really love the face-to-face side of teaching & think sts get a lot from it -> Online increasingly catering to f2f? #ELTChat
2:04 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @bcnpaul1: #I really love the face-to-face side of teaching & think sts get a lot from it - i agree many sts like the contact #ELTchat
2:04 pm	esolcourses:	RT @janetbianchini: #ELTChat I think there will always be a place for classroom instruction - for the truly personal face2face element which is important
2:04 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat I think students will always want face2face
2:04 pm	janetbianchini:	#ELTChat A mixture of both eg blended learning is what I would prefer
2:04 pm	ShellTerrell:	I prefer a blend of online & face to face instruction. In my experience, Ss of all ages are motivated by online learning #eltchat
2:04 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat a lot depends on situation
2:04 pm	olafelch:	@englishraven What sort of timescale are you thinking of? #ELTchat
2:04 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @techmunoz: I think it's possible. My students love the screencasts I make 4 instruction. #ELTchat
2:04 pm	ShellTerrell:	I agree! RT @Shaunwilden: I don't think it will (well not for sometime) and I am not sure i want to #ELTchat
2:05 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @techmunoz They prefer that over hearing me talk 2 whole class. #ELTchat
2:05 pm	InglesInteract:	@ShellTerrell but I also agree with @bcnpaul1 #ELTchat
2:05 pm	englishraven:	RT @olafelch: talking about online teaching, talking about synchronous teaching or asynchronous? /-> Both possible/feasible #ELTchat
2:05 pm	hoprea:	Online is very effective in many regards, but I still feel there's something missing - affective side of teaching. #eltchat
2:05 pm	cecilialcoelho:	@englishraven Yes, there's f2f online Jason, but not the same thing #ELTChat
2:05 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @janetbianchini: #ELTChat I think there will always be a place for classrm instruction- 4 the truly personal f2f elemt which is important
2:05 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat I really love the face to face contact with teaching & thionk sts get a lot from it
2:05 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @ShellTerrell: I prefer a blend of online & face to face instruction. In my exp, Ss of all ages motivated by online learning #eltchat
2:05 pm	esolcourses:	RT @ShellTerrell: I prefer a blend of online & face to face instruction. In my experience, Ss of all ages are motivated by online learning #eltchat
2:05 pm	robletcher:	@Marisa_C The thousands of online teachers I've trained would answer a resounding "Yes...but..." Depends on student & situation #ELTChat
2:05 pm	englishraven:	@olafelch I think it has already started in certain sectors of ELT. #ELTChat
2:06 pm	Shaunwilden:	I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other #ELTchat
2:06 pm	olafelch:	@Marisa_C Agreed - it doesn't have to, but are we missing an opportunity if we don't tak it up? #ELTchat
2:06 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat it's very convenient for sts who want IELTS for example and don't have the time to go to classes
2:06 pm	rliberni:	I think for some ppl it is best/only option there has to be choice #ELTchat #eltchat
2:06 pm	Marisa_C:	I think this question is quite commonly asked by teachers who are a tad technophobic #eltchat
2:06 pm	rliberni:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat it's very convenient for sts who want IELTS for example and don't have the time to go to classes #eltchat
2:06 pm	gret:	I agree I think both students and teachers will always want some face to face interaction. I prefer a blended program #ELTchat
2:06 pm	hoprea:	RT @ShellTerrell: I prefer a blend of online & face to face instruction. <- I think this is what is likely to happen. #eltchat
2:06 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @englishraven: @olafelch I think it has already started in certain sectors of ELT. #ELTChat Such as?
2:06 pm	englishraven:	RT @cecilialcoelho: Yes, there's f2f online Jason, but not the same thing -> Right, but with advs as well as disadvs! #ELTChat
2:06 pm	evab2001:	online teacching will surely be an option but I'm not sure it will replace the real interaction #eltchat
2:06 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @rliberni: I think for some ppl it is best/only option there has to be choice #ELTchat #eltchat
2:07 pm	olafelch:	@englishraven sorry, what I meant was whether you see a timeframe for it replacing f2f teaching. #ELTChat
2:07 pm	ShellTerrell:	Language teaching is social, it requires communication w/in various contexts. We need to make sure the tech we use supports this #ELTChat
2:07 pm	cecilialcoelho:	@hoprea I agree w/ u on this... I think the affective side of teaching is easier to happen in person... online still "cold" #ELTChat
2:07 pm	rliberni:	RT @Shaunwilden: I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other #ELTchat #eltchat
2:07 pm	japglish:	Also wonder that with new multi participant video calling (Skype) how long before students prefer this as an option. It IS f2f!! #eltchat
2:07 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @cerirhiannon: can it? yes, probably, do we want it to is a far thornier question #ELTchat
2:07 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @Shaunwilden: I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other #ELTchat - Absolutely right!
2:07 pm	ShellTerrell:	It should RT @Shaunwilden: I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other #ELTchat
2:07 pm	englishraven:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat it's very convenient for sts who want IELTS for example and don't have the time to go to classes -> Exactly!
2:07 pm	evab2001:	RT @Shaunwilden I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other #ELTchat
2:07 pm	nickkiley:	I think that without knowing how tech will develop, we can't say, but it will need significant development to replace classrooms #ELTchat
2:07 pm	janetbianchini:	#ELTChat RT @Shaunwilden I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other -totally agree, Shaun
2:07 pm	meggoos:	Which sections? I teach elementary aged students, am interested to hear about adults, teens. #ELTChat
2:07 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: I think for some ppl it is best/only option there has to be choice #ELTchat #eltchat
2:07 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @japglish: wonder w new multi participant video calling (Skype) how long before students prefer this as an option. It IS f2f!! #eltchat
2:07 pm	kalinagoenglish:	RT @hoprea: Online is very effective in many regards, but feel there's something missing - affective side of teaching. #eltchat agree!
2:08 pm	hoprea:	People like the interaction they have when they go to classes. All the gossip and others... #eltchat
2:08 pm	olafelch:	@Shaunwilden I do some of my #BusEng teaching via Skype and #dimdim. The customers seem to like it. #ELTChat
2:08 pm	rliberni:	@ShellTerrell can't social and f2f be online? #eltchat
2:08 pm	click4biology:	@Shaunwilden for sure, a blended approach everytime #ELTChat
2:08 pm	japglish:	Would rather complete a Masters via Skype than having to go to the campus. #eltchat
2:08 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat with online teaching a lot depends on how motivated sts are surely
2:08 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @nickkiley: I think that without knowing how tech will develop, we can't say, but it will need significant development to replace classrooms #ELTchat
2:08 pm	ShellTerrell:	@japglish That is so true that F2F is now becoming part of many tools. Even new IPhone, Ipod, mobile devices w this feature #ELTChat
2:08 pm	kalinagoenglish:	RT @Shaunwilden: I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other #ELTchat >>agree
2:08 pm	pelekas:	#ELTchat I think there will always be room for f2f communication. Automated telephone systems are annoying when you want the human touch
2:08 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @hoprea: People like the interaction they have when they go to classes. All the gossip and others... #eltchat
2:08 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @ShellTerrell: Language teaching social, requires communication w/in various contexts. need to make sure tech used supports this #ELTChat
2:08 pm	esolcourses:	@englishraven I'd agree with you on tha. Think it will be a while tho before online F2F filters thru 2 mainstream #ELTChat @olafelch
2:08 pm	englishraven:	RT @Shaunwilden: has already started in certain sectors of ELT. -> Such as? -> Test prep, ESP, BizEnglish #ELTChat
2:08 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @olafelch: I do some of my #BusEng teaching via Skype and #dimdim. The customers seem to like it. #ELTChat
2:08 pm	esolcourses:	RT @Shaunwilden: I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other #ELTchat
2:08 pm	rliberni:	@meggoos I tch mostly adults & for many they can't attend classes (for many reasons) online wks 4 them #eltchat
2:08 pm	kalinagoenglish:	RT @Marisa_C: I think this question is quite commonly asked by teachers who are a tad technophobic #eltchat agree :))
2:08 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @meggoos: Which sections? I teach elementary aged students, am interested to hear about adults, teens. #ELTChat
2:09 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @cecilialcoelho: @hoprea ... online still "cold" #ELTChat > doesn't have to be - look at us on Twitter
2:09 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @Shaunwilden: I think f2f and online complement each other rather than being replacements for each other #ELTchat
2:09 pm	hoprea:	It all depends on how motivated you are and what your objectives are. #eltchat
2:09 pm	rliberni:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: I do some of my #BusEng teaching via Skype and #dimdim. The customers seem to like it. #ELTChat #eltchat
2:09 pm	japglish:	What's missing are video based good tools for multi participant web-teaching #eltchat
2:09 pm	englishraven:	To me it's a more a matter of access rather than preference. #ELTChat
2:09 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @nickkiley: I think w/o knowing how tech will develop we can't say, but it will need significant developmt to replace classrooms #ELTchat
2:09 pm	olafelch:	@englishraven I think asynchronous teaching (eg. #moodle) is already well-established. The challenge is effective live teaching. #ELTchat
2:09 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat with online teaching a lot depends on how motivated sts are surely -> I don't think it's very diff from f2f
2:09 pm	rliberni:	RT @hoprea: It all depends on how motivated you are and what your objectives are. Yes this is the key thing! #eltchat
2:09 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat what would be the benefits of only teaching online when f2f was a possibility?
2:10 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @rliberni: @meggoos I tch mostly adults & for many they can't attend classes (for many reasons) online wks 4 them #eltchat
2:10 pm	hoprea:	@cerirhiannon Doesn't have to be, but it depends on your objectives. Would all students be that eager? #eltchat
2:10 pm	olafelch:	RT @englishraven: To me it's a more a matter of access rather than preference. #ELTChat
2:10 pm	evab2001:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @nickkiley: I think w/o knowing how tech will develop we can't say, but it will need significant developmt to replace classrooms #ELTchat
2:10 pm	janetbianchini:	RT @hoprea People like the interaction they have when they go to classes. All the gossip and others... #eltchat Yes!
2:10 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @japglish: What's missing are video based good tools for multi participant web-teaching #eltchat - agree - the MULTIER the better
2:10 pm	rliberni:	@olafelch there is a lot of bad e-learning around too #eltchat
2:10 pm	Shaunwilden:	@englishraven Thanks, yes I can see it working for specific courses but then lots of sts like the meeting in the classroom #ELTchat
2:10 pm	robletcher:	Next big thing:Hybrid schools-half online and half in-person. Better use of resources and time, allows for real-life experiences. #ELTchat
2:10 pm	rliberni:	RT @janetbianchini: RT @hoprea People like the interaction they have when they go to classes. All the gossip and others... #eltchat Yes!
2:10 pm	ShellTerrell:	@rliberni yes which is why I think the online tools should support f2f & social interaction #ELTchat
2:10 pm	meggoos:	RT @meggoos: I am keen to know which sectors of ELT tweeps think online learning suits most....#ELTChat
2:11 pm	rliberni:	@janetbianchini I think gossip, chat etc.. is still all possible online #eltchat
2:11 pm	olafelch:	@cecilialcoelho This came up in #edchat yesterday. there's a whole new set of demands on the teacher and the learner. #ELTchat
2:11 pm	englishraven:	I currently cater to 400+ online learners who can't 'get' a f2f teacher or classroom... #ELTChat
2:11 pm	ShellTerrell:	Yes! Can we name some gr8 tools we use that do? RT @rliberni: can't social and f2f be online? #eltchat
2:11 pm	cerirhiannon:	@hoprea not saying it works for all, but it definitely works for some - and for some might be the easiest/most accessible option? #ELTchat
2:11 pm	robletcher:	@Marisa_C We use and love Elluminate for muti-participant web-teaching. #ELTchat
2:11 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @meggoos: RT @meggoos: I am keen to know which sectors of ELT tweeps think online learning suits most....#ELTChat
2:11 pm	japglish:	Video classroom tools need the element of having quiet gossip with classmate while a class is ongoing 2 create complete soical exp. #eltchat
2:11 pm	meggoos:	@rliberni That's what I was thinking..any particular countries more interested in online learning... #eltchat
2:11 pm	esolcourses:	RT @robletcher: Next big thing:Hybrid schools-half online and half in-person. Better use of resources and time, allows for real-life experiences. #ELTchat
2:12 pm	japglish:	RT @englishraven: I currently cater to 400+ online learners who can't 'get' a f2f teacher or classroom... #ELTChat & there are many more
2:12 pm	bcnpaul1:	@englishraven do they feel that they are learning? #ELTChat
2:12 pm	robletcher:	@englishraven Good point - Students deserve a great teacher, even if none live in their area. #ELTchat
2:12 pm	olafelch:	@rliberni Can't you get the gossip from chat, twitter and forums? Or do you need more? ;o) #ELTchat
2:12 pm	motherchina:	#ELTchat still many students don't feel comfortable in online environments
2:12 pm	rliberni:	@meggoos think about teens they spend all day at aschool tgthr & all evenings & w/es online tgthr! #eltchat
2:12 pm	evab2001:	read the fun they had by Asimov #eltchat a sciencefiction of a future education system #eltchat
2:12 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @robletcher: Next big thing:Hybrid schools-half online and half in-person. #ELTchat - my ex-school tried that but sts didnt want
2:12 pm	meggoos:	@englishraven which countries do your students represent? Curious? #ELTChat
2:12 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @rliberni: RT @janetbianchini: RT @hoprea People like interaction they have in f2f classes #eltchatYes! but can also happen online
2:12 pm	englishraven:	@bcnpaul1 Many report it is better than their classroom experiences... #ELTChat
2:12 pm	esolcourses:	@robletcher have used that strategy myself. Works very well. #ELTchat
2:12 pm	olafelch:	@rliberni "a lot" is a serious understatement! #eltchat
2:12 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @olafelch: RT @englishraven: To me it's a more a matter of access rather than preference. #ELTChat
2:12 pm	janetbianchini:	All my e-learning experiences have been really enjoyable andfulfilling #ELTChat
2:13 pm	JamesBaggesen:	In my context here in Madrid Students expect F2F teaching. They remember Wall Street #ELTchat
2:13 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @rliberni: @meggoos think about teens they spend all day at aschool tgthr & all evenings & w/es online tgthr! #eltchat
2:13 pm	rliberni:	@meggoos on my site most are from India, the vast majority from non western countries - we need 2 think more about outside the west #eltchat
2:13 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @englishraven: I currently cater to 400+ OL STs who can't 'get' a f2f T or clssrom... #ELTChat -> here's the access/option factor again!
2:13 pm	japglish:	@olafelch @rliberni gossip is important which is why video based teaching tools need facility - s2s interaction away from teachers #eltchat
2:13 pm	robletcher:	@olafelch I work completely remotely and my "back channel" is rich with gossip, jibes, etc. :-) #ELTchat
2:13 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @japglish: Video class tools need elemt of having quiet gossip w classmate while a class is ongoing 2 create complete social exp #eltchat
2:13 pm	esolcourses:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @rliberni: RT @janetbianchini: RT @hoprea People like interaction they have in f2f classes #eltchat Yes! but can also happen online
2:13 pm	englishraven:	Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:13 pm	rliberni:	@olafelch Lol - I agree! #eltchat
2:13 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: RT @englishraven: To me it's a more a matter of access rather than preference. #ELTChat
2:14 pm	rliberni:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. hear2 #eltchat
2:14 pm	englishraven:	RT @robletcher: @olafelch I work completely remotely and my "back channel" is rich with gossip, jibes, etc. :-) #ELTchat
2:14 pm	ShellTerrell:	@japglish That's why I really like the work @shiv53 does with Second Life & language learning. I think Second Life allows for this #ELTchat
2:14 pm	olafelch:	@meggoos I'm not sure about countries, but some sectors are more open to online learning - busy professionals for example. #eltchat
2:14 pm	esolcourses:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:14 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @meggoos: @rliberni That's what I was thinking..any particular countries more interested in online learning... #eltchat
2:14 pm	japglish:	. @JamesBaggesen true but Wall Street was trying to replace classroom teachers with CD Roms - video based teaching doesn"t #eltchat
2:14 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:14 pm	meggoos:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:14 pm	cerirhiannon:	I don't think it's a simple either/or - it's a yes to both - alone or blended according to the ss needs/wants and situations #ELTchat
2:14 pm	olafelch:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:14 pm	bethilene:	good blog entry on 'save the words' http://bit.ly/9cfhGk #edchat #ELTChat #education
2:14 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @englishraven: I currently cater to 400+ online learners who can't 'get' a f2f teacher or classroom... #ELTChat
2:14 pm	InglesInteract:	The std's need a balance #ELTchat
2:14 pm	evab2001:	RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. hear2 #eltchat
2:14 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat -> Agree.
2:14 pm	rliberni:	We do need to consider access but more & more ppl even in devel coubtries are gaining access online #eltchat
2:15 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:15 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @robletcher: @Marisa_C We use and love Elluminate for muti-participant web-teaching. #ELTchat Yes but only 5 videos available at any pt
2:15 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @InglesInteract: The std's need a balance #ELTchat
2:15 pm	nickkiley:	Things may be significantly different when most Ss and Ts are net-natives, not just us 'older' types - we should get 15yr old input #ELTchat
2:15 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @cerirhiannon: I don't think it's a simple either/or - it's a yes to both - alone or blended according to the ss needs/wants and situations #ELTchat
2:15 pm	japglish:	@ShellTerrell @shiv53 agreed but 2nd life is just a bit TOO geeky for most people.? Or is it?? Personally, prefer to be me!! #eltchat
2:15 pm	bcnpaul1:	a lot of middle eastern students and sts from philippines study online - is this a cultural thing? #ELTChat
2:15 pm	englishraven:	... three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. + 4th = choice (of teacher/program) #ELTChat
2:15 pm	englishraven:	RT @cerirhiannon: I don't think it's a simple either/or - it's a yes to both - alone or blended according to the ss needs/wants and situations #ELTchat
2:15 pm	janetbianchini:	@rliberni Yes, I agree gossip etc is still poss online, but maybe it's not exactly the same as F2F. #ELTChat
2:15 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @cerirhiannon: I don't think it's a simple either/or - it's a yes- alone or blended according to Ss needs/wants & situations #ELTchat
2:15 pm	meggoos:	Any feedback on tech problems? #eltchat
2:16 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @nickkiley: Things may be significantly different when most Ss and Ts are net-natives, not just us 'older' types - we should get 15yr old input #ELTchat
2:16 pm	Marisa_C:	@japglish As in breakout rooms ? #eltchat
2:16 pm	daylemajor:	@ShellTerrell re.online tools: Check out what @ddeubel is doing http://bit.ly/ayVxHo #eltchat
2:16 pm	olafelch:	@InglesInteract Agreed. For me, the case for Blended learning is clear cut. #ELTchat
2:16 pm	janetbianchini:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:16 pm	japglish:	Multi participant Skype linked with whiteboards and file transfer seems best #eltchat
2:16 pm	rliberni:	@ShellTerrell India is big, SE Asia (China not so in my exp.) many in Europe is less inclined I think - @englishraven? any ideas? #eltchat
2:16 pm	japglish:	RT @Marisa_C: @japglish As in breakout rooms ? #eltchat ... YUP exactly
2:16 pm	efl101:	does online teaching mean 121 or 12many or both? Do both work equally well? #eltchat
2:16 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @bcnpaul1: RT @nickkiley: - we should get 15yr old input #ELTchat > depends which 15yr olds and where
2:17 pm	rliberni:	RT @japglish: Multi participant Skype linked with whiteboards and file transfer seems best #eltchat
2:17 pm	esolcourses:	Online learning also provides opportunities for students who have little or no F2F provision in the area where they live #eltchat
2:17 pm	InglesInteract:	@bcnpaul1 maybe it's matter of culture. What I can say from Brazil is that a few prefer online studies #ELTchat
2:17 pm	olafelch:	@bcnpaul1 It muight be an openness to technology, or it could just be lack of other opportunities. #ELTChat
2:17 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:17 pm	rliberni:	What we're not talking about here is content and that's the make or break I think #eltchat
2:17 pm	japglish:	Plus pair and groups tasks which require non-teacher intervention in video break out rooms #eltchat
2:17 pm	ShellTerrell:	I use wiki w 5 yr olds but I think they do need to be with other Ss their age to play & learn English in that context #ELTChat
2:17 pm	evab2001:	RT @daylemajor @ShellTerrell re.online tools: Check out what @ddeubel is doing http://bit.ly/ayVxHo#eltchat
2:17 pm	olafelch:	RT @efl101: does online teaching mean 121 or 12many or both? Do both work equally well? #eltchat
2:17 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat what about when the tech fails?
2:17 pm	englishraven:	I think too many teachers assume it's all about "live"... This misunderstands new types of learners starting to emerge. #ELTChat
2:17 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @esolcourses: Online learning also provides opportunities for Ss who have little or no F2F provision in the area where they live #eltchat
2:17 pm	rliberni:	tech & poor content is fur coat and no knickers!! #eltchat
2:17 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @efl101: does online teaching mean 121 or 12many or both? Do both work equally well? #eltchat
2:18 pm	meggoos:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat what about when the tech fails?
2:18 pm	nickkiley:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @bcnpaul1: RT @nickkiley: - we should get 15yr old input #ELTchat > depends which 15yr olds and where - Absolutely
2:18 pm	Marisa_C:	Our own learners prefer a blend of f2f and online - perhaps connected to local culture? Proxemics? #eltchat
2:18 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @daylemajor: re.online tools: Check out what @ddeubel is doing http://bit.ly/ayVxHo #eltchat
2:18 pm	robletcher:	RT @meggoos: Any feedback on tech problems? #eltchat Mostly user error-never assume that kids (or teachers) are computer experts ! :-)
2:18 pm	JamesBaggesen:	@englishraven: Online learning helps to solve the three greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat - YES
2:18 pm	hoprea:	I really don't think that the same kind of interaction can happen online and f2f. #eltchat
2:18 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @meggoos: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat what about when the tech fails?
2:18 pm	meggoos:	RT @rliberni: What we're not talking about here is content and that's the make or break I think #eltchat
2:18 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @rliberni: tech & poor content is fur coat and no knickers!! #eltchat
2:18 pm	InglesInteract:	@olafelch I've got one std who I used to teach over skype, he used to spend more time to learn #Eltchat
2:19 pm	cerirhiannon:	as a personal preference blended best - but is that just ego of the teacher talking? is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat
2:19 pm	rliberni:	RT @englishraven: I think too many tchrs assume it's all about "live"... This misunderstands new types - lrners starting 2 emerge. #eltchat
2:19 pm	Shaunwilden:	@robletcher I dont disagree with that :-) #ELTchat
2:19 pm	englishraven:	@rliberni 70% of my online students are in the States - where teachers and school options abound... #ELTChat
2:19 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @InglesInteract: @bcnpaul1 maybe it's matter of culture. What I can say from Brazil is that a few prefer online studies #ELTchat -> True
2:19 pm	ShellTerrell:	@rliberni LOL! Agree! I think there has to be effective training & some forums better than others #ELTChat
2:19 pm	olafelch:	@efl101 121 and 12many are good, but many2many is also a valuable option. #eltchat
2:19 pm	robletcher:	RT @englishraven: think too many teachers assume it's all about "live"-This misunderstands new types of learners starting to emerge.#ELTChat
2:19 pm	japglish:	#eltchat In fact, I think there are strong and valid exercises which would be BETTER if done from home with video!-"Let's look in ur fridge"
2:19 pm	evab2001:	RT @rliberni What we're not talking about here is content and that's the make or break I think #eltchat
2:19 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: tech & poor content is fur coat and no knickers!! #eltchat
2:19 pm	esolcourses:	@ShellTerrell @rliberni Mobile apps are becoming v.popular in Chinahttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/21/chinese_mobile_apps/ #eltchat
2:19 pm	bcnpaul1:	@riberni I agree - content is important however it's delivered. Learning has to be going on #ELTChat
2:20 pm	ShellTerrell:	There are several online forums where English language learners help support each other & learn at their own pace #ELTChat
2:20 pm	InglesInteract:	RT @hoprea: I really don't think that the same kind of interaction can happen online and f2f. #eltchat
2:20 pm	esolcourses:	RT @englishraven: I think too many teachers assume it's all about "live"... This misunderstands new types of learners starting to emerge. #ELTChat
2:20 pm	nickkiley:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat what about when the tech fails? -> Indeed. I think this is one of the barriers to a lot of people having +ive feeling
2:20 pm	hoprea:	@cerirhiannon I see your point! That's exactly a good needs analysis should be carried out. :) #eltchat
2:20 pm	japglish:	RT @englishraven: @rliberni 70% of my online students are in the States where teachers and school options abound... #ELTChat BIG market then
2:20 pm	rliberni:	@englishraven yes live take-up is small and scary too! It's the self managed learning online that is more pop & easier to fit in #eltchat
2:20 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @esolcourses: Mobile apps are becoming v.popular in China http://bit.ly/dCmenn #eltchat#mlearning #esl
2:20 pm	gregqbear:	@englishraven Interested to know what level EFL learners can handle online classes #ELTChat
2:20 pm	englishraven:	@bcnpaul1 I find tech/online programs fail less often than school/classroom based ones! #ELTChat
2:20 pm	olafelch:	@bcnpaul1 Culture could play a significant role there. #ELTchat
2:20 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @bcnpaul1: @riberni I agree - content is important however it's delivered. Learning has to be going on #ELTChat so true
2:20 pm	cerirhiannon:	although the medium is important, it's not the key - teaching principles of engagement, student led learning etc are more imp #ELTchat
2:20 pm	olafelch:	RT @bcnpaul1: @olafelch a lot of the sts from muslim countries are female - this is an interesting point I think #ELTchat
2:20 pm	bcnpaul1:	campfire is a nice tool #ELTChat
2:20 pm	Marisa_C:	I personally just LOVE the energy of teaching a class f2f #eltchat
2:20 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @bcnpaul1: @riberni I agree - content is important however it's delivered. Learning has to be going on #ELTChat
2:20 pm	hoprea:	This is also a cultural matter. Brazilians, for example, like to touch others when they speak. #eltchat
2:21 pm	meggoos:	@robletcher agreed, we do have problems here in Thailand often though with internet connections still! #eltchat
2:21 pm	rliberni:	RT @ShellTerrell: There are several online forums where English lang learners help support each other & learn at their own pace #eltchat
2:21 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Marisa_C: I personally just LOVE the energy of teaching a class f2f #eltchat
2:21 pm	ShellTerrell:	Gr8 point! RT @hoprea: This is also a cultural matter. Brazilians, for example, like to touch others when they speak. #eltchat
2:21 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @hoprea: This is also a cultural matter. Brazilians, for example, like to touch others when they speak. #eltchat Greeks too! :-D
2:21 pm	englishraven:	Let's talk future, folks... Learners in 5-10 years will be quite unlike the ones you teach today. #ELTChat
2:21 pm	olafelch:	@bcnpaul1 This worries me too. All too often the toll becomes more important than the content. #ELTChat
2:21 pm	japglish:	RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 I find tech/online programs fail less often than school/classroom based ones! #ELTChat Any data?? Gd project!!!
2:21 pm	hoprea:	It's also much easier for learners to lose interest and start doing other things online, especially in a class. #eltchat
2:22 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @cerirhiannon: is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> It might be. I know I do.
2:22 pm	englishraven:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @hoprea: This is also a cultural matter. Brazilians, for example, like to touch others when they speak. #eltchat Greeks too! :-D
2:22 pm	bcnpaul1:	@englishraven when programmes fail - issn't that partly the teachers responsibility? #ELTChat
2:22 pm	rliberni:	@japglish huge potential but only just beginning to be realised in my exp? #eltchat
2:22 pm	GrammyLatino:	#eltchat Most collaborative online courses involve much more S-S interaction than typical F2F classes and shy Ss feel secure sharing.
2:22 pm	hoprea:	@englishraven Will they? #eltchat
2:22 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> It might be. I know I do. \| Me too
2:23 pm	esolcourses:	RT @nickkiley RT @bcnpaul1 what about when the tech fails? ] U go with Plan B, same as with an offline F2F lesson that didn't gel #ELTChat
2:23 pm	gregqbear:	My elementary school EFL students can't even use computers via English; so online learning would not work for them. #eltchat
2:23 pm	ShellTerrell:	Content & the delivery/application of it RT @rliberni: What we're not talking about here is content. that's the make or break #eltchat
2:23 pm	japglish:	RT @ShellTerrell: Gr8 point! RT @hoprea: a cultural matter. #eltchat BUT Brazillians also use instant messaging and text, right? #eltvchat
2:23 pm	rliberni:	@esolcourses true I think China has a partic. culture which shys from full online (this is my research) India embraces it all more #eltchat
2:23 pm	bcnpaul1:	@englishraven LEarners in 5 years will still want f2f I think (and hope) #ELTChat
2:23 pm	englishraven:	@hoprea In many places, yes - I really do believe so. #ELTChat
2:23 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @cerirhiannon: although the medium is important, it's not the key - teaching principles of engagement, student led learning etc are more imp #ELTchat
2:23 pm	hoprea:	@GrammyLatino But there are many online courses whose dropout rates are far higher than f2f. Even courses for teachers! #eltchat
2:23 pm	InglesInteract:	I can say from my own experience I represent an online program from UK, the people who sign in in UK are much more than Brazil #ELTchat
2:23 pm	esolcourses:	RT @GrammyLatino: #eltchat Most collaborative online courses involve much more S-S interaction than typical F2F classes and shy Ss feel secure sharing.
2:23 pm	olafelch:	@englishraven The processes and approaches will certainly be different, but the basic principles of good teaching won't change. #ELTChat
2:23 pm	rliberni:	@Shaunwilden this is the key no REAL learning then it fails #eltchat
2:24 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @esolcourses: [what about when the tech fails? ] U go with Plan B, same as with an offline F2F lesson that didn't gel #ELTChat
2:24 pm	englishraven:	RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> It might be. I know I do. -> Excellent point!
2:24 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @hoprea: This is also a cultural matter. Brazilians, for example, like to touch others when they speak. #eltchat ? Wanted 2 mention that
2:24 pm	hoprea:	@japglish Absolutely! That's why I see blended as something more realistic. #eltchat
2:24 pm	rliberni:	RT @hoprea: It's also much easier for learners to lose interest and start doing other things online, especially in a class. #eltchat
2:24 pm	japglish:	RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven LEarners in 5 years will still want f2f I think (and hope) #ELTChatWould be s/prsd, life moving online
2:25 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @bcnpaul1: Learners in 5 years will still want f2f I think (and hope) #ELTChat
2:25 pm	esolcourses:	RT @englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> It might be. I know I do. -> Excellent point!
2:25 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @GrammyLatino: #eltchat collaborative online courses more S-S interaction ... > not a matter of one being better than the other
2:25 pm	englishraven:	@bcnpaul1 Learners in 5-10 years will still want f2f to use their English, but not necessarily to learn it... #ELTChat
2:25 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @gregqbear: My elementary school EFL students can't even use computers via English; so online learning would not work for them. #eltchat
2:25 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @olafelch: @englishraven Processes& approaches will certainly be different, but basic principles of good teaching won't change. #ELTChat
2:25 pm	olafelch:	@hoprea Is the dropout rate so high because the course designers haven't learned how to engage the students? #ELTchat
2:25 pm	japglish:	RT @englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> I think so
2:25 pm	rliberni:	@hoprea online stds need to be self-determined, self critical & absorbed #eltchat
2:25 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Learners in 5-10 years will still want f2f to use their English, but not necessarily to learn it... #ELTChat
2:25 pm	JamesBaggesen:	RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> We also like contact thru social media right?
2:25 pm	rliberni:	RT @gregqbear: My elementary school EFL students can't even use computers via English; so online learning would not work for them. #eltchat
2:26 pm	olafelch:	RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> It might be. I know I do.
2:26 pm	englishraven:	@olafelch Ah, yes, but principles of good teaching don't have to change by going online... #ELTChat
2:26 pm	InglesInteract:	I think Oriental people they learn through self study(online courses), while people from Occident not too much #ELTchat
2:26 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @japglish: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven #ELTChat Would be s/prsd, life moving online > not life, learning
2:26 pm	motherchina:	?@GrammyLatino: #eltchat Most collaborative online courses involve much more S-S interaction than typical F2F (cont) http://tl.gd/65e9pa
2:26 pm	rliberni:	RT @englishraven: @olafelch Ah, yes, but principles of good teaching don't have to change by going online... #ELTChat #eltchat
2:26 pm	hoprea:	@olafelch Excellent question! But there's also the I-can-do-it-later behaviour in online courses. #eltchat
2:26 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @rliberni: @hoprea online stds need to be self-determined, self critical & absorbed #eltchat
2:26 pm	hoprea:	RT @rliberni: @hoprea online stds need to be self-determined, self critical & absorbed <-- Exactly!! #eltchat
2:27 pm	olafelch:	@englishraven But sadly, that's something a lot of online teachers haven't realised. #ELTChat
2:27 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @olafelch: RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: is it me - the teacher - who needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> It might be. I know I do.
2:27 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Learners in 5-10 years will still want f2f to use their English, but not necessarily to learn it... #ELTChat
2:27 pm	japglish:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @japglish: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishraven #ELTChat Would be s/prsd, life moving online > not life, learning #eltchat
2:27 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @JamesBaggesen: RT @cecilialcoelho: teacher needs the f2f? #ELTchat -> We also like contact thru social media right? > personally? yes!
2:27 pm	meggoos:	@gregqbear I teach 6-7yr olds, they loved our class website-but it took over 6 mths to get everyone doing it. #eltchat
2:27 pm	drjohnhadley:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: @hoprea online stds need to be self-determined, self critical & absorbed #eltchat
2:27 pm	englishraven:	Our current school/classroom model assumes Ss don't have access to information, cannot be independent #ELTChat
2:27 pm	meggoos:	RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: @olafelch Ah, yes, but principles of good teaching don't have to change by going online... #ELTChat #eltchat
2:27 pm	ShellTerrell:	@japglish I agree through video but also webinar platforms where Ss can engage in real time & interact w/ others #ELTChat
2:28 pm	rliberni:	RT @meggoos: @gregqbear I teach 6-7yr olds, they loved our class website-but it took over 6 mths to get everyone doing it. #eltchat
2:28 pm	cecilialcoelho:	@JamesBaggesen Yes, we like contact thru social media, bt we're not our avergae STs r we? We r focused/interested Ts who like tech. #ELTChat
2:28 pm	olafelch:	@hoprea That's why I often uses deadlines in Moodle! ;o) #eltchat
2:28 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden this is the key no REAL learning then it fails #eltchat agreed, sorry was distracted am back now
2:28 pm	cecilialcoelho:	Forgot the hashtag!!! #ELTChat
2:28 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @rliberni: @hoprea online stds need to be self-determined, self critical & absorbed #eltchat >need to choose 2b there?
2:28 pm	rliberni:	@meggoos I think patience is important it takes a long time to get ppl involved and interacting #eltchat
2:28 pm	ShellTerrell:	@japglish I agree about Second Life lacking in some area to motivate Ss to practice language online but 1s who do love it #ELTchat
2:29 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @hoprea: RT @rliberni: @hoprea online STs need 2 b self-determined, self critical & absorbed <-- Exactly!! #eltchat - So do physical STs!
2:29 pm	japglish:	RT @bcnpaul1: but teenagers still do things like hang out & go to cinema and communicate f2f w/each other - I think this will cont. #eltchat
2:29 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @rliberni: online stds need to be self-determined, self critical & absorbed #eltchat >need to choose 2b there?
2:29 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @meggoos: RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: @olafelch principles of good teaching don't change by going online... #ELTChat #eltchat
2:29 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @rliberni: this is the key no REAL learning then it fails #eltchat this leads how we ensure real learning takes place
2:29 pm	harrisonmike:	Good idea, think I'll do that too RT @olafelch: @hoprea That's why I often uses deadlines in Moodle! ;o) #eltchat
2:29 pm	englishraven:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @esolcourses: [what about when the tech fails? ] U go with Plan B, same as with an offline F2F lesson that didn't gel #ELTChat
2:29 pm	rliberni:	@ShellTerrell with all these things it's horses for courses and the great thing is to have the choice!! #eltchat
2:29 pm	InglesInteract:	RT @hoprea: RT @rliberni: @hoprea online stds need to be self-determined, self critical & absorbed <-- Exactly!! #eltchat
2:29 pm	ShellTerrell:	@cerirhiannon It certainly helps if the Ss has a choice #ELTChat
2:29 pm	hoprea:	Online interaction will not be the same as f2f interaction for a long while, I guess. #eltchat
2:29 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat isn't the teen grid in second life closing?
2:29 pm	olafelch:	One thing I've noticed using a blended approach is that learners who want to learn do MUCH better. #ELTchat
2:30 pm	japglish:	@japglish @bcnpaul1 true but teenagers, even when going to cinema, seem to spend half the time fiddling with phones #eltchat
2:30 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Shaunwilden: RT @rliberni: this is the key no REAL learning then it fails #eltchat this leads how we ensure real learning takes place
2:30 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @cerirhiannon: RT @meggoos: RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: @olafelch principles of good teaching don't change by going online... #ELTChat #eltchat
2:30 pm	englishraven:	RT @hoprea: Online interaction will not be the same as f2f interaction for a long while, I guess. #eltchat
2:30 pm	japglish:	I think teens are comfotable in both virtual and non-virtual environments, more than teachers #eltchat
2:30 pm	hoprea:	@olafelch But then we're back to motivation, self-determination, and necessity. :) #eltchat
2:30 pm	ELTExperiences:	#ELTchat I remember reading about a robot that replaced EFL Teachers in the classroom. Tech learning works in Korea.
2:30 pm	rliberni:	With synchronous online sessions you just have to build a failure tolerence into the mix & agree this up front #eltchat
2:31 pm	esolcourses:	RT @olafelch One thing I've noticed using a blended approach is that learners who want to learn do MUCH better. ] same here #ELTchat
2:31 pm	ShellTerrell:	How do we feel about language learning online forums? Are they successful? #ELTChat
2:31 pm	bcnpaul1:	@olafelch that's really interesting and makes blended learning much more attractive i think... I agree that it has that effect #ELTChat
2:31 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @ELTExperiences: #ELTchat I remember reading about a robot that replaced EFL Teachers in the classroom. Tech learning works in Korea.
2:31 pm	englishraven:	@hoprea But again - I think it is a mistake to equate online learning as aimed at replicating f2f classroom learning... #ELTChat
2:31 pm	meggoos:	@rliberni patience is essential...parents onboard for younger students is key. #eltchat
2:31 pm	rliberni:	RT @englishraven: RT @hoprea: Online interaction will not be the same as f2f interaction for a long while, I guess. #eltchat
2:31 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @olafelch: W/ blended approach learners who want to learn do MUCH better. #ELTchat - more opprt for learning + resources?
2:31 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @rliberni: With synchronous online sessions you just have to build a failure tolerence into the mix & agree this up front #eltchat
2:31 pm	olafelch:	@hoprea I agree that the interaction won't be the same, but I believe we will get much better at compensating for its limitations. #eltchat
2:31 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @japglish: I think teens are comfotable in both virtual and non-virtual environments, more than teachers #eltchat
2:31 pm	hoprea:	Learners who WANT to learn do much better regardless of f2f, online, or blended. #eltchat
2:31 pm	japglish:	RT @ShellTerrell: @japglish but also webinar platforms where Ss can engage #ELTChat true, that. It's all about video NOT internet vs. f2f
2:32 pm	meggoos:	RT @rliberni: With synchronous online sessions you just have to build a failure tolerence into the mix & agree this up front #eltchat
2:32 pm	rliberni:	@ShellTerrell you mean like this learning forum? I should say so if managed well! #eltchat
2:32 pm	ShellTerrell:	Agree! RT @olafelch: One thing I've noticed using a blended approach is that learners who want to learn do MUCH better. #ELTchat
2:32 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @englishraven: @hoprea But again - I think it is a mistake to equate online learning as aimed at replicating f2f classroom learning... #ELTChat
2:32 pm	englishraven:	There's also a huge population of Ss out there who DON'T enjoy classroom/f2f learning. Why do we assume they all do? #ELTChat
2:32 pm	InglesInteract:	@olafelch I absolutely agree with you #ELTchat, they can put in practice what they've learnt in classroom
2:32 pm	hoprea:	@englishraven Oh, I agree with you there. Online and f2f are inherently different, and have got to be treated differently. #eltchat
2:32 pm	ELTExperiences:	RT @japglish: I think teens are comfotable in both virtual and non-virtual environments, more than teachers #eltchat
2:32 pm	gregqbear:	School ed. is cheaper & more accessible for young than online; not all have Net; most too busy after school for more lessons #eltchat
2:32 pm	rliberni:	@meggoos I agree & you have gr8 school to home learning #eltchat
2:33 pm	olafelch:	@ShellTerrell Forums can be a lot of work for the teacher. There's a danger that they can evolve into the blind leading the blind. #ELTChat
2:33 pm	ShellTerrell:	@rliberni I was thinking of language forums like Live Mocha, Myngle, & even Edufire, etc. What makes them effective or not? #ELTChat
2:33 pm	hoprea:	RT @englishraven: There's also a huge population of Ss out there who DON'T enjoy classroom/f2f learning. Why assume they all do? #eltchat
2:33 pm	vale360:	RT @janetbianchini: RT @englishraven: Online learning solves 3 greatest enemies of language learners: time, distance, cost. #ELTChat
2:33 pm	rliberni:	RT @ELTExperiences: RT @japglish: I think teens are comfotable in both virtual and non-virtual environments, more than teachers #eltchat
2:33 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @englishraven: There's also a huge population of Ss out there who DON'T enjoy classroom/f2f learning. Why do we assume they all do? #ELTChat
2:33 pm	meggoos:	RT @japglish: I think teens are comfotable in both virtual and non-virtual environments, more than teachers #eltchat
2:33 pm	japglish:	RT @englishraven: There's also a huge pop. of Ss out there who DON'T enjoy classroom/f2f learning. Why do we assume they all do? #ELTChat
2:33 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @gregqbear: School ed. is cheaper & more accessible for young than online; not all have Net; most too busy after school for more lessons #eltchat
2:33 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @olafelch: Forums can be a lot of work for the teacher. There's a danger that they can evolve into the blind leading the blind. #ELTChat
2:33 pm	englishraven:	RT @hoprea: Learners who WANT to learn do much better regardless of f2f, online, or blended. #eltchat
2:33 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @englishraven: Also a huge population of Ss out there who DON'T enjoy classroom/f2f learning. Why do we assume they all do? #ELTChat
2:33 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat a lot will depend on the reason for learning. sts needing language for communication online wd be better studying online, no?
2:34 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @rliberni: W/ synchronous online sessions (...) / Agree, but some cntries (ex: Brazil) gd qualty/affordable conn. not easy 2 get #ELTChat
2:34 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @meggoos: RT @japglish: I think teens are comfotable in both virtual and non-virtual environments, more than teachers #eltchat
2:34 pm	ELTExperiences:	@englishraven #ELTchat perhaps most teaching is in the classroom but most learning is outside the classroom.
2:34 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @gregqbear: School ed. is cheaper & more accessible for young #eltchat > though online can really enhance & support home schooling
2:34 pm	ShellTerrell:	Agree RT @englishraven: I think it is a mistake to equate online learning as aimed at replicating f2f classroom learning... #ELTChat
2:34 pm	olafelch:	@cecilialcoelho And also more options for self-guided learning. #ELTchat
2:34 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @olafelch: @hoprea I agree that the interaction won't be the same, but I believe we will get much better at compensating for its limitations. #eltchat
2:34 pm	rliberni:	@ShellTerrell tried Livemocha didnt get it, Myngle good but it's 1:1 so a lesson online #eltchat
2:34 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @ELTExperiences: @englishraven #ELTchat perhaps most teaching is in the classroom but most learning is outside the classroom.
2:35 pm	meggoos:	@ShellTerrell I have no exp but I imagine ss feel less inhibited online. #ELTChat
2:35 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat As teens spend more & more time social networking, why not teach thru' social networking sites & other similar tools
2:35 pm	hoprea:	@ShellTerrell They might be effective because the nature of language is interaction, and this happens in these midia, right? #eltchat
2:35 pm	Shaunwilden:	@Marisa_C @englishraven: Is the answer to that in the fact that most initial training centres on f2f learning? #ELTChat
2:35 pm	englishraven:	RT @ELTExperiences: #ELTchat perhaps most teaching is in the classroom but most learning is outside the classroom. -> Quote of the day!
2:35 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat a lot depends on reason 4 learning. sts needing language for communication online wd be better studying online, no?
2:35 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: Ss out there who DON'T enjoy classroom/f2f learning. Why do we assume they all do? #ELTChat >ditto for f2f?
2:35 pm	bcnpaul1:	#ELTChat my tea's gone cold - sh!t
2:35 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @ELTExperiences: @englishraven #ELTchat perhaps most teaching is in the classroom but most learning is outside the classroom.
2:35 pm	ShellTerrell:	Gr8 point! RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat As teens spend more time social netwking why not teach thru' social networking sites & other similar tools
2:36 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @Shaunwilden: Is the answer to that in the fact that most initial training centres on f2f learning? #ELTChat - Good point!
2:36 pm	rliberni:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat my tea's gone cold - sh!t Lol! #eltchat
2:36 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @ELTExperiences: @englishraven #ELTchat most teaching is in the classroom but most learning is outside the classroom?
2:36 pm	hoprea:	Er... I'm afraid I'll have to say that, unfortunately, there are people who couldn't care less about learning a language. #eltchat
2:36 pm	englishraven:	RT @Shaunwilden: Is the answer to that in the fact that most initial training centres on f2f learning? -> I think so, yes. #ELTChat
2:36 pm	Marisa_C:	@Shaunwilden Many training centres and tutors still technophobes unfortunately #ELTChat
2:36 pm	ShellTerrell:	@hoprea Some do it well & others not so well but I have seen a huge population of language learners online involved in these forums #ELTChat
2:37 pm	gregqbear:	@ShellTerrell Yes, it would be the most authentic. Perhaps it would need some lead-time though. #eltchat
2:37 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @SErwin: Just used a forum in Moodle today and participation was awesome. Have to set guidelines & expectaitons #ELTChat
2:37 pm	hoprea:	The moment teachers and parents start taking over social networking sites for teaching and monitoring, teens will move away. #eltchat
2:37 pm	olafelch:	@hoprea Agree completely, and all of those things require a skills set that is far from being self-explanatory. #eltchat
2:37 pm	englishraven:	RT @rliberni: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat my tea's gone cold - sh!t Lol! #eltchat
2:37 pm	rliberni:	The problem with social networking sites 4 teaching is they use social networking language not sure that's really English Lol :-)) #eltchat
2:37 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @Marisa_C: Many training centres and tutors still technophobes unfortunately #ELTChat or dont have tech capabilities
2:37 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @englishraven: RT @ELTExperiences: #ELTchat most learning is outside the classroom. -> True 4 ESL, not EFL (like me!)
2:37 pm	ShellTerrell:	I'm sure some Ss feel the same RT @meggoos: I have no exp but I imagine ss feel less inhibited online. #ELTChat
2:37 pm	bcnpaul1:	@hoprea there are, but they still come to class or learn somehow so they need to be motivated surely #ELTChat
2:37 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat why not teach teens thru' social networking ... > may not want Ts trespasing on their territory?
2:37 pm	esolcourses:	@ELTExperiences @englishraven think learning outside classroom is as important (if not more so) Was reason why I set up my website #eltchat
2:37 pm	Marisa_C:	@Shaunwilden True #ELTChat
2:37 pm	japglish:	It's about teacher CONTROL too, isn't it? F2f always give the illusion of control whereas computer-mediated doesn't #eltchat
2:38 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @hoprea: moment teachers & parents start taking over social networking sites for teaching & monitoring, teens will move away. #eltchat
2:38 pm	ShellTerrell:	@hoprea Or block them ;-) #ELTChat
2:38 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat my tea's gone cold - sh!t / LOL! That's why I have a coke...that's gone flat ;-)
2:38 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden Many training centres /tutors still technophobes unfortunately #ELTChat >or lacking in confidence & training?
2:38 pm	rliberni:	@esolcourses I set up my website cos I couldn't get my students to come to class! #eltchat
2:38 pm	englishraven:	For everyone in this discussion... You decided you want to learn a new language. Are you going to look for online or classroom? #ELTChat
2:39 pm	JamesBaggesen:	RT @ japglish t's about teacher CONTROL too, isn't it? F2f always give the illusion of control whereas computer-mediated doesn't #eltchat
2:39 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @hoprea: moment teachers & parents start taking over social networking sites for teaching & monitoring, teens will move away. #eltchat
2:39 pm	ShellTerrell:	@cecilialcoelho LOL! Me too! I'm rocking the Coke 0 #ELTChat
2:39 pm	hoprea:	@bcnpaul1 But isn't it easier for them to be engaged when physically in the presence of others? #eltchat
2:39 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @gregqbear: Yes, it would be the most authentic. Perhaps it would need some lead-time though. #eltchat
2:39 pm	olafelch:	@cerirhiannon I'm sure the use of social networking will become a major influence, but society has to adjust to it first. #ELTChat
2:39 pm	rliberni:	@japglish I think online still needs a lot of tchr input even if this is backroom #eltchat
2:39 pm	ELTExperiences:	@cecilialcoelho why not? #ELTchat
2:39 pm	efl101:	Does it make a difference which sts? ie adults versus children, teenagers, uni etc. - do some respond better to online teaching? #eltchat
2:40 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @englishraven: For all here... You decided you want to learn a new language. Are you going to look for online or classroom? #ELTChat
2:40 pm	japglish:	RT @bcnpaul1: @japglish depends on the teacher I think <- true and the virutal classroom dynamics maybe #eltchat
2:40 pm	hoprea:	@englishraven Gee... I'll look for a good teacher with a sound methodology. But then again, we know what to look for. :) #eltchat
2:40 pm	bcnpaul1:	@cecilialcoelho LOL and I've run out of milk!! #ELTChat
2:40 pm	JamesBaggesen:	@englishraven #ELTChat ->online
2:40 pm	ELTExperiences:	@englishraven #ELTchat definitely online.
2:40 pm	japglish:	RT @rliberni: @japglish I think online still needs a lot of tchr input even if this is backroom #eltchatNot disagreeing but how to do?
2:40 pm	gret:	RT @olafelch: @cerirhiannon I'm sure the use of social networking'll become a major influence but society has to adjust to it 1st #ELTchat
2:40 pm	olafelch:	@englishraven I might actually look for online first, but at some point I will want f2f. #ELTchat
2:40 pm	gregqbear:	@englishraven I prefer hiding among others in a class than sticking out like a goose one-on-one. #eltchat
2:40 pm	cerirhiannon:	@englishraven online, I guess, time and work issues - tho a convenient f2f would be my 1st choice - i'd do online on my own #ELTchat
2:40 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @englishraven: U decided u want 2 learn language. R u going to look for online or classroom? #ELTChat / Again: We r not yr average STs!
2:40 pm	rliberni:	@hoprea I think it is difficult to engage ppl online as a group it takes time - as individuals they will study online #eltchat
2:41 pm	efl101:	@ShellTerrell online or classroom - I prefer combo myself #eltchat
2:41 pm	englishraven:	@hoprea Looking for that teacher... better chance of finding in school near where you live, or online? #ELTChat
2:41 pm	gret:	@englishraven I'd go for a blended course #ELTchat
2:41 pm	bcnpaul1:	@japglish yes - there's much more scope for learner independence in online learning. thts why a blend is good #ELTChat
2:41 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @efl101: Does it make a difference which sts?adults ves children, teens, uni etc. - do some respond better to online teaching? #eltchat
2:41 pm	rliberni:	@olafelch I would say most online stds I know have a dream to come to a course eventually #eltchat
2:42 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @cerirhiannon: @englishraven online, I guess, time and work issues - tho a convenient f2f would be my 1st choice #ELTchat / I second this
2:42 pm	cerirhiannon:	when it comes to fitness - definitely prefer f2f :) far too lazy to do it without someone watching and telling me what to do! #ELTchat
2:42 pm	ShellTerrell:	@englishraven I use many online sites to learn German. I'm missing set classtime. Thats me getting used 2 being an online learner #ELTChat
2:42 pm	hoprea:	@englishraven At this time and age, I guess in a school near me. However, I don't think that'll be the case in the future. #eltchat
2:42 pm	JamesBaggesen:	@englishraven #ELTChat ->online because time, cost, distance and choice of teacher
2:42 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @bcnpaul1: @japglish yes - there's much more scope for learner independence in online learning. thts why a blend is good #ELTChat
2:42 pm	esolcourses:	@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C is teaching with tech part of T.training syllabus yet? If not it should be. 21stC Teachers need 21stC skills #ELTChat
2:42 pm	hoprea:	@englishraven I'm appalled to see what some language institutes do here... disgusting!!! #eltchat
2:42 pm	englishraven:	@gregqbear Who says online teaching is automatically 1-1? #ELTChat
2:42 pm	ShellTerrell:	@efl101 Me too! Right now I rather not do the traveling time, though, & havent met a good enough lang tchr #ELTChat
2:42 pm	meggoos:	@englishraven funny, I immediately thought L2 in person, even though I currently study something else online #ELTChat
2:43 pm	hoprea:	RT @rliberni: @hoprea I think it is difficult to engage ppl online as a group it takes time - as individuals they will study online #eltchat
2:43 pm	rliberni:	@japglish through the content how it's design, through direction, p'haps being available for advice or questions (email/messages) #eltchat
2:43 pm	Marisa_C:	@JulieRaikou Julie can u put a space betwn last word and #ELTChat ? doesn't show in timeline otherwise
2:43 pm	ShellTerrell:	One gr8 thing about online learning is if the tchr isn't your type in 1st lesson you can switch to another #ELTChat
2:43 pm	englishraven:	RT @JamesBaggesen: #ELTChat ->online because time, cost, distance and choice of teacher
2:43 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @englishraven: @hoprea better chance of finding that T in school near where u live, or online? #ELTChat / That was a MEAN question Jason!
2:43 pm	motherchina:	RT @JamesBaggesen: @englishraven #ELTChat ->online because time, cost, distance and choice of teacher
2:43 pm	englishraven:	RT @ShellTerrell: @englishraven I use many online sites to learn German. I'm missing set classtime. Thats me getting used 2 being an online learner #ELTChat
2:43 pm	olafelch:	@bcnpaul1 Learner independance is good, but it's like freedom - it comes with responsibility. The teacher has to instill that. #ELTChat
2:43 pm	InglesInteract:	RT @gret: @englishraven I'd go for a blended course #ELTchat
2:43 pm	hoprea:	@ShellTerrell And we still haven't started with your Portuguese lessons, huh?! :) #eltchat
2:43 pm	rliberni:	@ShellTerrell Myngle is pretty good for 1:1 #eltchat
2:44 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @esolcourses: Yes, I agree but with many schools its question of money #ELTChat
2:44 pm	japglish:	RT @JamesBaggesen: @englishraven #ELTChat ->online because time, cost, distance and choice of teacher <- agreed, the market will decide ;- )
2:44 pm	olafelch:	RT @ShellTerrell: One gr8 thing about online learning is if the tchr isn't your type in 1st lesson you can switch to another #ELTChat
2:44 pm	esolcourses:	RT @rliberni I set up my website cos I couldn't get my students to come to class! #eltchat ] LOL! that did apply to some of mine, as well :)
2:44 pm	Marisa_C:	@esolcourses @Shaunwilden #ELTChat ICT part of CELTA and DELTA syllabus YES. But no of tutors who can... ?
2:44 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @efl101: Does it make a difference which sts?adults vs kids, teens, uni- do some respond better 2 online teaching? #eltchat
2:44 pm	gret:	@esolcourses I totally agree! Teaching with Tech Tools should be a part of Teacher Training Courses #ELTchat
2:44 pm	rliberni:	@olafelch yes and for stds to want to learn online there has to be a culture fostered within the c'room which includes the tchr!! #eltchat
2:45 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @hoprea: @englishraven I'm appalled to see what some language institutes do here... disgusting!!! #eltchat - Nope, not easy... I hear u!
2:45 pm	hoprea:	I find it extremely unfair to classify stds choice based on age... #eltchat
2:45 pm	englishraven:	RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses @Shaunwilden #ELTChat ICT part of CELTA and DELTA syllabus YES. But no of tutors who can... ?
2:45 pm	esolcourses:	RT @ShellTerrell gr8 thing about online learning is if the tchr isn't your type in 1st lesson you can switch to another #ELTChat good point
2:45 pm	ShellTerrell:	@hoprea LOL! Very true! When is your Skype schedule looking clear ;-) #ELTChat
2:45 pm	Marisa_C:	@esolcourses @Shaunwilden last time I asked for a tech savvy tutor got NO responses from anyone!!! #ELTChat
2:46 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses @Shaunwilden #ELTChat ICT part of CELTA and DELTA syllabus YES. But no of tutors who can... ?
2:46 pm	rliberni:	@cecilialcoelho asynchronous if really well designed is as effective I think #eltchat
2:46 pm	Shaunwilden:	@Marisa_C #eltchat frighteningly low I would have thought based on tutors I know
2:46 pm	gregqbear:	@ShellTerrell Can't see young EFL students using English sites without support. Will suit more teens and adults I think. #eltchat
2:46 pm	englishraven:	@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I was having a very interesting chat with @dudeneyge about that very topic last night... ;-) #ELTChat
2:46 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @gret: @esolcourses Teaching with Tech Tools should be a part of Teacher Training Courses #ELTchat> unfair to new Ts when it isn't
2:46 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @hoprea: I find it extremely unfair to classify stds choice based on age... #eltchat
2:46 pm	japglish:	Disagree partly with @englishraven - online can replicate and surpass classroom experience - but perhaps not quite yet #eltchat
2:46 pm	englishraven:	RT @esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell gr8 thing about online learning is if the tchr isn't your type in 1st lesson you can switch to another #ELTChat good point
2:46 pm	hoprea:	@ShellTerrell I hope I'll have some "free" time starting next week. :) #eltchat
2:46 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @gregqbear: Can't see young EFL students using English sites without support. Will suit more teens and adults I think. #eltchat
2:46 pm	rliberni:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @hoprea: I find it extremely unfair to classify stds choice based on age... #eltchat
2:46 pm	englishraven:	So, so agree! RT @hoprea: I find it extremely unfair to classify stds choice based on age... #eltchat
2:46 pm	motherchina:	@cecilialcoelho such as? #eltchat
2:46 pm	olafelch:	@bcnpaul1 That's the way i would do it, but have also heard the opposite - an online start helps to combat shyness. #ELTchat
2:47 pm	japglish:	CELTA and DELTA tutors tend to be very old school in my experience and see no value in online #eltchat
2:47 pm	Shaunwilden:	@englishraven And did you right the world? #eltchat
2:47 pm	rliberni:	@japglish I think I agree with @englishraven I think it can if it's good! #eltchat
2:47 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @bcnpaul1: RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses @Shaunwilden #ELTChat ICT part of CELTA and DELTA > and old dogs have to learn new tricks ;)
2:47 pm	bcnpaul1:	@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I think it will change very soon though - more tutors tech savvy #ELTChat
2:47 pm	gret:	RT @olafelch: @bcnpaul1 That's the way i would do it, but have also heard the opposite - an online start helps to combat shyness. #ELTchat
2:47 pm	ShellTerrell:	@gregqbear I agree with you there because I have had to support my 5yr olds w/ the wiki & at home their parents support them #ELTChat
2:48 pm	esolcourses:	@Marisa_C then I would argue that they need to update their skills. CPD being what it is, and all that... @Shaunwilden #ELTChat
2:48 pm	Marisa_C:	@bcnpaul1 u d be surprised #ELTChat
2:48 pm	englishraven:	@japglish I don't think in terms of 'replicate' or 'surpass' - they are different modes, different learning universes... #ELTChat
2:48 pm	hoprea:	If you could choose: the same teacher teaching you online or f2f? #eltchat
2:48 pm	ELTExperiences:	RT @cecilialcoelho: @englishraven #ELTchat. Tech integration is important then for interactive class?
2:48 pm	rliberni:	@olafelch yes, think about we here who know each other pretty well online but may never have met f2f will be easier (I hope!!) #eltchat
2:48 pm	gret:	@ShellTerrell @gregqbear it's an awesome way of involving parents in their kids' learning process! #ELTchat
2:48 pm	japglish:	@rliberni Ture - content, design etc. all help control learning process but video helps to direct Ss attention, replicate c/room #eltchat
2:48 pm	rliberni:	RT @hoprea: If you could choose: the same teacher teaching you online or f2f? #eltchat
2:48 pm	Shaunwilden:	@bcnpaul1 #eltchat Do you think so, i was discussing with some trainers recently and they were quite negative
2:48 pm	Marisa_C:	@cerirhiannon he he I like the metaphor.... some do some do #ELTChat
2:49 pm	olafelch:	@englishraven @hoprea I blogged on a solution to the age issue a while back. http://bit.ly/dCRNGn#eltchat
2:49 pm	meggoos:	Thanks everyone for #ELTChat, slipping out-late here and early start. Cheers!
2:49 pm	hoprea:	Tech will soon be ubiquitous and we won't need to bother about integration. It will simply be! #eltchat
2:49 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @ELTExperiences: RT @cecilialcoelho: @englishraven #ELTchat. Tech integration is important then for interactive class? - Definitely!
2:49 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @cecilialcoelho: @cerirhiannon Not as many possibilities of T choice Ceri!!!! > true #ELTchat
2:49 pm	englishraven:	@Shaunwilden with @dudeneyge last night? We had all the answers, of course, just no one who would listen! ;-) #ELTChat
2:49 pm	ShellTerrell:	Agree! RT @gret: it's an awesome way of involving parents in their kids' learning process! #ELTchat
2:49 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @hoprea: If you could choose: the same teacher teaching you online or f2f? #eltchat - Depends on the circumstances
2:49 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @hoprea: Tech will soon be ubiquitous and we won't need to bother about integration. It will simply be! #eltchat
2:49 pm	gregqbear:	@englishraven True. I wasn't thinking of more socially based programs rather than 1-2-1. Are these in the majority? #eltchat
2:49 pm	gret:	@meggoos Thank you! Good Night! #ELTchat
2:49 pm	rliberni:	@japglish it can be integrated #eltchat
2:50 pm	hoprea:	@ShellTerrell LOL... I guess that's also true of you, huh?! And we still haven't been able to chat once!! #eltchat
2:50 pm	ShellTerrell:	@hoprea I just hope teachers begin to learn how to use the tech effectively #ELTChat
2:50 pm	Shaunwilden:	RT @esolcourses: I wholeheartedlty agree the question then is where do they start? what skills should they learn first etc #eltchat
2:50 pm	englishraven:	RT @olafelch: @englishraven @hoprea I blogged on a solution to the age issue a while back.http://bit.ly/dCRNGn #eltchat
2:50 pm	bcnpaul1:	@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Maybe not for a while but as more teachers using tech now become trainers they'll want to use it in training #ELTChat
2:50 pm	japglish:	RT @englishraven: I don't think in terms of 'replicate' or 'surpass' - different modes, different learning universes... #ELTChat good point
2:50 pm	rliberni:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @hoprea: Tech will soon be ubiquitous and we won't need to bother about integration. It will simply be! #eltchat
2:50 pm	Marisa_C:	@esolcourses you hopeful thing! #ELTChat
2:50 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon he he I like the metaphor.... some do some do #ELTChat > :) point in case at the mo!
2:50 pm	olafelch:	@rliberni Agree. The Twitter experience made a huge difference when a group of us met up at a conference. #eltchat
2:50 pm	rliberni:	RT @ShellTerrell: @hoprea I just hope teachers begin to learn how to use the tech effectively #ELTChat #eltchat
2:50 pm	ShellTerrell:	@hoprea Well you are doing the VRT right? #ELTChat
2:50 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @ELTExperiences: RT @cecilialcoelho: @englishraven #ELTchat. Tech integration is important then for interactive / Absolutely!
2:51 pm	vickicobb:	RT @gret:The same thing is true about books\| About a Teacher -- my new post! http://bit.ly/dAecra#edchat #eltchat #!ntchat #elemchat
2:51 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @Shaunwilden: @bcnpaul1 #eltchat Do you think so, i was discussing with some trainers recently and they were quite negative \| Yes! Me 2!
2:51 pm	meggoos:	@gret See you all next week #ELTChat
2:51 pm	hoprea:	@Marisa_C That's why the key questions learners should ask themselves is what and why. :) #eltchat
2:51 pm	anderscj:	@ShellTerrell @cerirhiannon @rliberni isn't that true, at least cognitively, for f2f students too? I can't make you pay attention. #eltchat
2:51 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @olafelch: @rliberni Agree. The Twitter experience made a huge difference when a group of us met up at a conference. #eltchat
2:51 pm	ShellTerrell:	@cecilialcoelho I use the Iphone, Skype, & a wiki with my 5yr old beginner English language learners #ELTChat
2:51 pm	evab2001:	RT @olafelch @rliberni Agree. The Twitter experience made a huge difference when a group of us met up at a conference. #eltchat
2:51 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @hoprea: If you could choose: the same T teaching you online or f2f? #eltchat / f2f w/o a doubt.. Am a touch person... live interaction
2:52 pm	japglish:	Am stunned that more conferences are not streamed live - even elt edtech conferences sometimes! #eltchat
2:52 pm	motherchina:	@ShellTerrell what's vrt? #ELTchat
2:52 pm	englishraven:	Another question... How many Ts here are doing more training/development online as opposed to f2f? #ELTChat
2:52 pm	motherchina:	RT @vickicobb: RT @gret:The same thing is true about books\| About a Teacher -- my new post!http://bit.ly/dAecra #edchat #eltchat #!ntchat #elemchat
2:52 pm	olafelch:	@hoprea I'm not sure about the word "soon". I agree it will come, but it might still take a generation before education catches up. #eltchat
2:52 pm	rliberni:	@anderscj absolutley we're back to last week - motivation #eltchat
2:52 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @rliberni: RT @hoprea: Tech will soon be ubiquitous and we won't need to bother about integration. It will simply be! #eltchat
2:52 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @japglish: Am stunned that more conferences are not streamed live - even elt edtech conferences sometimes! #eltchat
2:52 pm	daylemajor:	I think this is a good article about online learning and why some teachers fear it http://bit.ly/9dlmus#eltchat
2:53 pm	olafelch:	@meggoos Thanks for dropping by! #ELTChat
2:53 pm	ShellTerrell:	@japglish This was a gripe of mine today. I think conferences charge enough $$ so they should all have wifi for presenters #ELTChat
2:53 pm	englishraven:	RT @japglish: stunned that more conferences are not streamed live - even elt edtech conferences! #eltchat -> #IATEFL this year was amazing!
2:53 pm	gret:	@Marisa_C Although we all loved attending #rscon10 I remember everyone saying how awesome it'd be if we met in person! #ELTchat
2:53 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @japglish: RT @englishraven: I don't think in terms of 'replicate' or 'surpass' - different modes, different learning universes... #ELTChat good point
2:53 pm	bcnpaul1:	@englishraven probably 95% face 2 face but it's slowly changing #ELTChat
2:53 pm	rliberni:	@motherchina VRT (virtual Round Table conference in ELT) http://www.virtual-round-table.com/#eltchat
2:53 pm	tucksoon:	RT @Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: RT @hoprea: Tech will soon be ubiquitous & we won't need to bother abt integration. It will simply be! #eltchat
2:53 pm	Marisa_C:	@hoprea I fear that the so called 'normalisation' will be awhile given some of the resistance & denial i have seen #eltchat
2:53 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @hoprea: Tech will soon b ubiquitous & we won't need 2 bother w/ integr.. It'll simply be! #eltchat / I think soon is a bit optimistic
2:53 pm	englishraven:	RT @daylemajor: I think this is a good article about online learning and why some teachers fear ithttp://bit.ly/9dlmus #eltchat /-< True!
2:53 pm	hoprea:	@olafelch Education, schooling, actually, seems to take longer than any other area to move forward... sigh! #eltchat
2:53 pm	gregqbear:	Agree tailored online classes preferable in many ways to large classes of kids at different ability levels stuck together. #eltchat
2:53 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @ShellTerrell: @japglish This was a gripe of mine today. I think conferences charge enough $$ so they should all have wifi for presenters #ELTChat
2:54 pm	englishraven:	RT @tucksoon: RT @Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: RT @hoprea: Tech will soon be ubiquitous & we won't need to bother abt integration. It will simply be! #eltchat
2:54 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @anderscj: isn't that true, at least cognitively, for f2f students too? I can't make you pay attention. #eltchat
2:54 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @gret: @Marisa_C Although we all loved attending #rscon10 I remember everyone saying how awesome it'd be if we met in person! #ELTchat
2:54 pm	japglish:	. @englishraven none at all at the mo. buried in books. But previously around 20% #eltchat
2:54 pm	rliberni:	RT @hoprea: @olafelch Education, schooling, actually, seems to take longer than any other area to move forward... sigh! #eltchat
2:55 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @rliberni: RT @ShellTerrell: @hoprea I just hope teachers begin to learn how to use the tech effectively #ELTChat #eltchat / Trying to!!
2:55 pm	gregqbear:	@englishraven I have no choice about my own PD - universities here teach in Chinese! #eltchat
2:55 pm	hoprea:	@cecilialcoelho Have you ever watched "The sixth sense" on TED? Incredible what they could already do in 2009... #eltchat
2:55 pm	englishraven:	RT @rliberni: RT @hoprea: @olafelch Education, schooling, actually, seems to take longer than any other area to move forward... sigh! #eltchat
2:55 pm	japglish:	You would think that academics would like to "spread the love" a little more with live streams!! #eltchat
2:55 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @rliberni: RT @hoprea: Education, schooling, actually, seems to take longer than any other area to move forward... sigh! #eltchat
2:55 pm	cerirhiannon:	RT @englishraven: How many Ts here doing development online as opposed to f2f? #ELTChat > sea change 4 me this year - swing from 5% 2 90%!
2:55 pm	olafelch:	Think @thornburyscott said something like "Tech needs to be there at the flick of a switch." Still some work to do in that respect. #ELTchat
2:55 pm	bcnpaul1:	RT @gregqbear: Agree tailored online classes preferable in many ways to large classes of kids at different ability levels stuck together. #eltchat
2:56 pm	JamesBaggesen:	@nglishraven Another question..How many Ts here are doing more training/development online as opposed to f2f? #ELTChat ->Yes MA in DTCE
2:56 pm	motherchina:	@rliberni thanks! #eltchat
2:56 pm	englishraven:	RT @cerirhiannon: How many Ts here doing development online as opposed to f2f? #ELTChat > sea change 4 me this year - swing from 5% 2 90%!
2:56 pm	esolcourses:	@Marisa_C :-) @Shaunwilden Where should they start? Something like the Cert:ICT would probably fit the bill http://bit.ly/91F3Kp #ELTChat
2:56 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @japglish: You would think that academics would like to "spread the love" a little more with live streams!! #eltchat
2:56 pm	englishraven:	RT @gregqbear: @englishraven I have no choice about my own PD - universities here teach in Chinese! #eltchat -> So, without online...? :-)
2:56 pm	Marisa_C:	So we all end up talking about acceptance vs resistance but the reasons may vary from context to context #ELTchat
2:57 pm	olafelch:	@japglish But if it's freely and openly available, then it's not special! ;o) #eltchat
2:57 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @gregqbear: tailored online classes preferable in many ways to large classes of kids at different ability levels stuck 2gether #eltchat
2:57 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @anderscj: isn't that true, at least cognitively, 4 f2f students too? I can't make u pay attention. #eltchat - So true
2:57 pm	japglish:	RT @olafelch: @japglish But if it's freely and openly available, then it's not special! ;o) #eltchat yup, all about the $$$
2:57 pm	rliberni:	RT @Marisa_C: So we all end up talking about acceptance vs resistance but the reasons may vary from context to context #ELTchat #eltchat
2:57 pm	motherchina:	@englishraven 90% for me too! #eltchat
2:57 pm	Marisa_C:	RT @JamesBaggesen: @nglishraven Another Q..How many Ts here are doing more CPD online as opposed to f2f? #ELTChat ->Yes MA in DTCE
2:57 pm	englishraven:	RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C :-) @Shaunwilden Where should they start? Something like the Cert:ICT would probably fit the bill http://bit.ly/91F3Kp #ELTChat
2:57 pm	ELTExperiences:	@cecilialcoelho @englishraven #ELTchat: doesn't technology prompt students to become the interactive members of the classroom? Devils advo..
2:57 pm	ShellTerrell:	RT @Marisa_C: So we all end up talking about acceptance vs resistance but the reasons may vary from context to context #ELTchat
2:57 pm	englishraven:	RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @ShellTerrell: RT @anderscj: isn't that true, at least cognitively, 4 f2f students too? I can't make u pay attention. #eltchat - So true
2:57 pm	cecilialcoelho:	@hoprea Haven't watched (I think)...will look into it...hopefully tonight ;-) #ELTChat
2:58 pm	eshwaranv:	Thanks to my work, I missed the #eltchat today. Will go through the chat session
2:58 pm	cecilialcoelho:	RT @gregqbear: Agree tailored online classes preferable in many ways to large classes of kids at different ability levels stuck together. #eltchat
2:58 pm	bcnpaul1:	acceptance only happens when everyone sees the value of what they're accepting and is active in making that acceptance happen #ELTChat
2:58 pm	motherchina:	@ShellTerrell I hope so #eltchat
2:58 pm	ELTExperiences:	RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C :-) @Shaunwilden Where should they start? Something like the Cert:ICT would probably fit the bill http://bit.ly/91F3Kp #ELTChat
2:59 pm	esolcourses:	RT @ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: So we all end up talking about acceptance vs resistance but the reasons may vary from context to context #ELTchat
2:59 pm	Shaunwilden:	@Marisa_C :-) @esolcourses True but perhaps we need to build skills more slowly many of them are real technophobes #ELTChat