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Classroom Discipline

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Transcript for #eltchat - What the Hashtag?!

Transcript from October 27, 2010

All times are GMT

 
October 27, 2010
2:00 pm ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTChat @englishraven and I will be your main moderators if you have any questions or this is your 1st time
2:00 pm ShellTerrell: For the next hour my tweets dedicated to #ELTChat Plz join! Topic: Discipline in the ELT classroom. What are the big issues?
2:01 pm Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: for the next hour my RE-tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat - discipline in the classroom ;_D
2:01 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTChat@englishraven and I will be your main moderators if you have any questions or this is your 1st time
2:01 pm esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell: Welcome to #ELTChat@englishraven and I will be your main moderators if you have any questions or this is your 1st time
2:02 pm bcnpaul1: discipline in the ELT classroom - how many of you set up star charts & abandon them halfway through the year? #ELTChat
2:02 pm olafelch: How much is discipline an issue in adult classes? #ELTchat
2:02 pm teacher_prix: Enjoy #ELTchat!!! =)
2:03 pm bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C LOL :) #ELTChat
2:03 pm ShellTerrell: Follow this conversation & participate by adding #eltchat to end of your tweets. Might be easier to follow in Tweetgrid http://bit.ly/cYQRaV
2:03 pm ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: How much is discipline an issue in adult classes? #ELTchat
2:03 pm BethCagnol: RT @olafelch: How much is discipline an issue in adult classes? #ELTchat
2:03 pm ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: discipline in the ELT classroom - how many of you set up star charts & abandon them halfway through the year? #ELTChat
2:03 pm Marisa_C: RT @olafelch: How much is discipline an issue in adult classes? #ELTchat
2:03 pm BethCagnol: RT @Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: for the next hour my RE-tweets will be dedicated to #ELTChat - discipline in the classroom ;_D
2:04 pm ShellTerrell: @mercedesviola Welcome to #eltchat just add #eltchat to the end of your tweets to participate :-)
2:04 pm braztesolbsb: #ELTChat Plz join! Topic: Discipline in the ELT classroom. What are the big issues?
2:05 pm gret: @teacher_prix We'll miss you today! Thanks for the RT =) #ELTChat
2:05 pm bcnpaul1: a lot of discipline issues can be acredited to below-level covering-up or above- level boredom. agree? #ELTChat
2:05 pm ShellTerrell: For very young learners Cooperative learning worked best. Once I got rid of the competition, they stopped fighting with each other #eltchat
2:05 pm BethCagnol: @Marisa_C @olafelch Discipline can be an issue in adult classes when the learners don't want to study what you've offered. #ELTCHAT
2:05 pm PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @#ELTChat I've been using smiley system (green & red) for 5years- lots of work but it works! :-)
2:05 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @olafelch: How much is discipline an issue in adult classes? #ELTchat
2:05 pm Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: a lot of discipline issues can be acredited to below-level covering-up or above- level boredom. agree? #ELTChat ???
2:05 pm BethCagnol: RT @cybraryman1: My Classroom & Behavior Management page: http://bit.ly/a4SDKg#elemchat #eltchat
2:06 pm ShellTerrell: RT @BethCagnol: @Marisa_C @olafelchDiscipline can be an issue in adult classes when the learners don't want to study what you've offered. #ELTCHAT
2:06 pm ShellTerrell: RT @PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @#ELTChat I've been using smiley system (green & red) for 5years- lots of work but it works! :-)
2:06 pm Marisa_C: @BethCagnol welcome to your topic!!!! #ELTChat
2:06 pm ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: a lot of discipline issues can be acredited to below-level covering-up or above- level boredom. agree? #ELTChat
2:06 pm hoprea: RT @bcnpaul1: a lot of discipline issues can be acredited to below-level covering-up or above- level boredom. agree? #ELTChat
2:07 pm olafelch: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C What about when learners are forced by their employers to attend? #ELTchat
2:07 pm Marisa_C: RT @PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @#ELTChat I've been using smiley system (green & red) for 5years- lots of work but it works! :-) - REWARDS?
2:07 pm BethCagnol: @PixieAnia What age? #ELTCHAT
2:07 pm bcnpaul1: if sts don't understand something they sometimes play the clown to distract from the issue of not understanding #ELTChat
2:07 pm Marisa_C: RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @olafelch: How much is discipline an issue in adult classes? #ELTchat - not much I think
2:07 pm BethCagnol: @Marisa_C YAY! So excited. And we just had a fruitful discussion about discipline with my own students. Lock and load! #ELTCHAT
2:07 pm Marisa_C: RT @olafelch: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C What about when learners are forced by their employers to attend? #ELTchat
2:08 pm ShellTerrell: #eltchat @bcnpaul1 I'd agree with the boredom part. We have to let students have choices & input in what they learn & how they learn it
2:08 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: @olafelch Discipline can be an issue in adult classes when the learners don't want to study what you've offered. #ELTCHAT
2:08 pm ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C What about when learners are forced by their employers to attend? #ELTchat
2:08 pm BethCagnol: @olafelch @Marisa_C Forced to attend: always an issue. How do we deal with "I hate English" sentiments? #ELTCHAT
2:09 pm bcnpaul1: @ShellTerrell definitely - controllability & giving them choices gives them responsibility = less discipline issues #ELTChat
2:09 pm Marisa_C: RT @bethcagnol: @olafelch @Marisa_C Forced to attend: always an issue. How do we deal with "I hate English" sentiments? #ELTCHAT
2:09 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: if sts don't understand something they sometimes play the clown to distract from not understanding #ELTChat
2:09 pm ShellTerrell: My adult students pick all the topics and themes we cover. I know not realistic in all situations but works for my adult classes #Eltchat
2:10 pm theteacherjames: #ELTChat With adults, if they lack interest then it's not discipline that needs to be looked at but motivation. We must reflect, not blame.
2:10 pm BethCagnol: @olafelch @Marisa_C Do we as teachers have the right to address this issue with the student's employer or HR director? #ELTCHAT
2:10 pm ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: if sts don't understand something they sometimes play the clown to distract from not understanding #ELTChat
2:10 pm esolcourses: @Marisa_C @olafelch: I don't find it much of a problem... biggest issue is students turning up late & disrupting activities #ELTChat
2:10 pm Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: @ShellTerrell definitely - controllability & giving them choices gives them responsibility = less discipline issues #ELTChat
2:10 pm ShellTerrell: RT @BethCagnol: @olafelch @Marisa_C Do we as teachers have the right to address this issue with the student's employer or HR director? #ELTCHAT
2:10 pm bcnpaul1: often if they're forced to attend, they don't come to the class - adult business classes #ELTChat
2:10 pm Marisa_C: RT @bethcagnol: Do we as teachers have the right to address this issue with the student's employer or HR director? #ELTCHAT
2:10 pm bareftlibrarian: RT @ShellTerrell: My adult students pick all the topics and themes we cover. I know not realistic in all situations but works for my adult classes #Eltchat
2:11 pm bareftlibrarian: RT @ShellTerrell: #eltchat @bcnpaul1 I'd agree with the boredom part. We have to let students have choices & input in what they learn & how they learn it
2:11 pm BethCagnol: @theteacherjames Yes. but in adult classes, do we crack down on cell phone use, chit chat, etc? #ELTCHAT
2:11 pm PixieAnia: @bethcagnol @#ELTCHAT 7-12, they love it! constant counting though for me which is a killer;-)
2:11 pm ShellTerrell: If we can't control the content we teach then at least we should be able to let the students have choices in the how it is taught? #ELTChat
2:11 pm Marisa_C: @esolcourses tardiness always an issue with adults - in greece a tough one :-) #ELTChat
2:11 pm bcnpaul1: "I hate English Sentiments' can b helped by showing 'em role models who speak the language they're learning (e.g football managers) #ELTChat
2:12 pm PixieAnia: RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat With adults, if they lack interest then it's not discipline that needs to be looked at but motivation. We must reflect, not blame.
2:12 pm bareftlibrarian: RT @ShellTerrell: For very young learners Cooperative learning worked best. Once I got rid of the competition, they stopped fighting with each other #eltchat
2:12 pm ShellTerrell: What are some behavioral issues you deal with in adult classes? #Eltchat
2:12 pm olafelch: @theteacherjames I'm not sure we can always try to see the other side - sometimes it's a simple power play. #ELTchat
2:12 pm ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: often if they're forced to attend, they don't come to the class - adult business classes #ELTChat
2:13 pm ShellTerrell: RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat With adults, if they lack interest then it's not discipline that needs to be looked at but motivation. We must reflect, not blame.
2:13 pm theteacherjames: #ELTChat If my students were bored, I'd be wondering what I was doing wrong, not them.
2:13 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: My adult students pick all topics and themes we cover not realistic in all situations but works #Eltchat
2:13 pm ShellTerrell: RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat If my students were bored, I'd be wondering what I was doing wrong, not them.
2:13 pm BethCagnol: Does anyone set rules in the beginning? Like provide a class contract on acceptable or unacceptable behavior? #ELTCHAT
2:13 pm olafelch: @BethCagnol In adult classes I do allow a mid lesson diversion because generally the work level is higher. #ELTchat
2:13 pm olafelch: RT @ShellTerrell: What are some behavioral issues you deal with in adult classes? #Eltchat
2:13 pm Marisa_C: RT @bethcagnol: Does anyone set rules in the beginning? Like provide a class contract on acceptable or unacceptable behavior? #ELTCHAT- Yes
2:14 pm BethCagnol: @Marisa_C @esolcourses Tardiness is also an issue in France with adult classes. Fortunately, the teacher is still on the clock. #ELTCHAT
2:14 pm seanbanville: Depends what you mean by discipline problems - It's not really high school students packing guns 'n' drugs. #Eltchat
2:14 pm ShellTerrell: @theteacherjames I completely agree with you. I've even stopped lessons & tried something else when I noticed students bored #ELTchat
2:14 pm ShellTerrell: RT @BethCagnol: Does anyone set rules in the beginning? Like provide a class contract on acceptable or unacceptable behavior? #ELTCHAT
2:14 pm bcnpaul1: @englishteacherjames sometimes though you plan a lesson which you thnk is great and it dies - how you teach is as important as what #ELTChat
2:14 pm BethCagnol: @theteacherjames But sometimes, I tell them "this will be boring. Sorry. But promise I'll give U something interesting afterward." #ELTCHAT
2:14 pm olafelch: @ShellTerrell How about an adult grinning and then screwing up a worksheet and staring me out! #ELTchat
2:15 pm seanbanville: When students pay to learn - no discipline problems (in my experience). When forced to learn, problems start. #Eltchat
2:15 pm theteacherjames: @olafelch #ELTChat But the point is we have to try and see the other side first. Why are they doing this power play?
2:15 pm bcnpaul1: lower the expectations from teens and be happy when u get sthg - spkg in L1 a big e.g #ELTChat
2:15 pm ShellTerrell: @BethCagnol We discuss it as a group for my adults & they come up with what they think is unacceptable then we agree #eltchat
2:15 pm Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishteacherjames how you teach is as important as what #ELTChat
2:15 pm seanbanville: Discipline problems disappear when students are interested in your materials / activities #Eltchat
2:15 pm esolcourses: @Marisa_C I usually do a lesson on punctuality in the first week or so, to drop the hint - sometimes works :) http://bit.ly/ayBShd #ELTChat
2:15 pm bcnpaul1: @olafelch did that really happen? #ELTChat
2:15 pm ShellTerrell: @BethCagnol with my young learners we do the same but create a poster that I post up #eltchat
2:16 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: We discuss it as a group for my adults & they come up with what they think is unacceptable then we agree #eltchat BEST!
2:16 pm olafelch: @BethCagnol I particularly hate the businessman who "has to" have his mobile on. #ELTchat
2:16 pm ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: @englishteacherjames sometimes though you plan a lesson which you thnk is great and it dies - how you teach is as important as what #ELTChat
2:16 pm ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @seanbanville: Discipline problems disappear when students are interested in your materials / activities #Eltchat
2:16 pm PixieAnia: @olafelch: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C What about when learners are forced by their PARENTS to attend? not easy to motivate them then #ELTchat
2:16 pm BethCagnol: @Marisa_C If the tardiness is constant, I usually have a private chat with the student. #ELTCHAT
2:16 pm theteacherjames: @bethcagnol #ELTChat If they're not disturbing anyone else, then from my perspective it's their loss. If they are, then a quiet word will do
2:16 pm Marisa_C: RT @olafelch: @BethCagnol I particularly hate the businessman who "has to" have his mobile on. #ELTchat - grrr yes!
2:16 pm bcnpaul1: RT @seanbanville: Discipline problems disappear when students are interested in your materials / activities #Eltchat
2:17 pm BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell Cool. Super Nanny style. I like that. #ELTCHAT
2:17 pm olafelch: @bcnpaul1 Yes. He wanted me to throw him out of the course. I refused. #ELTchat
2:17 pm ShellTerrell: @olafelch I've never encountered this problem. maybe that was a power play? #Eltchat
2:17 pm nelbaquintana: @seanbanville #ELTchat I completely agree : Discipline problems disappear ...
2:17 pm Marisa_C: RT @seanbanville: Discipline problems disappear when students are interested in your materials / activities #Eltchat - Mostly yes
2:17 pm PixieAnia: RT @seanbanville: Discipline problems disappear when students are interested in your materials / activities #Eltchat
2:17 pm theteacherjames: @bethcagnol #ELTChat But at least you are involving them in the process, so they can make an agreement with you. I think that's fair.
2:17 pm MataCorvera: RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @seanbanville: Discipline problems disappear when students are interested in your materials / activities #Eltchat
2:17 pm Marisa_C: RT @BethCagnol: @Marisa_C If the tardiness is constant, I usually have a private chat with the student. #ELTCHAT
2:18 pm ShellTerrell: @Henrietta_ You're right! I don't do that with my 5 to 10 year-old students #ELTchat
2:18 pm esolcourses: @bethcagnol @Marisa_C think punctuality is a difficult one, as adult learners often have lots of commitments to juggle #ELTChat
2:18 pm seanbanville: Discipline the age difference between student & teacher - e.g. Is cell phone use a discipline issue with oldies? #Eltchat
2:18 pm Marisa_C: @BethCagnol Private is good- public is not whether with adults or children #ELTCHAT
2:18 pm ShellTerrell: Good idea! RT @Marisa_C: RT @BethCagnol: @Marisa_C If the tardiness is constant, I usually have a private chat with the student. #ELTCHAT
2:18 pm BethCagnol: @theteacherjames Once (and only once) I had the students write up a contract for ME in return. Went over well. #ELTCHAT
2:19 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C RT @seanbanville Discipline problems disappear when students are interested in your materials /activities #Eltchat - Mostly yes
2:19 pm ShellTerrell: Private chats where we listen to the student in my opinion take care of 90% of behavior issues #ELTchat
2:19 pm Marisa_C: RT @SeanBanville: Discipline the age difference between student & teacher - e.g. Is cell phone use a discipline issue with oldies? #Eltchat
2:19 pm Mollybmom: RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat If my students were bored, I'd be wondering what I was doing wrong, not them.
2:19 pm seanbanville: Discipline depends on the age difference between student & teacher? - e.g. Is cell phone use a discipline issue with oldies? #Eltchat
2:20 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Private chats where we listen to the student in my opinion take care of 90% of behavior issues #ELTchat - Agree
2:20 pm ShellTerrell: Agree! Causes more behavior issues if public RT @Marisa_C: Private is good- public is not whether with adults or children #ELTCHAT
2:20 pm ShellTerrell: RT @seanbanville: Discipline the age difference between student & teacher - e.g. Is cell phone use a discipline issue with oldies? #Eltchat
2:20 pm Marisa_C: RT @Mollybmom: RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat If my students were bored, I'd be wondering what I was doing wrong, not them.
2:20 pm bcnpaul1: RT @ShellTerrell Private chats where we listen to the student in my opinion take care of 90% of behavior issues #ELTchat agreed!
2:20 pm olafelch: @PixieAnia I imagine the parents situation is almost unsolvable - typical in remedials! #ELTchat
2:20 pm gret: @ShellTerrell totally agree.. talking to students is so important. Listening to what they have to say, helps a lot! #ELTChat
2:20 pm BethCagnol: A trainee I'm with wants to know if anyone here can use the "evil eye?" #ELTCHAT
2:20 pm theteacherjames: @bethcagnol #ELTChat yes, I make the students know that these rules go both ways (lateness, phone use etc).
2:21 pm bcnpaul1: pacing of the lesson with YLs is a big thing #ELTChat
2:21 pm MataCorvera: @Marisa_C I agree completely for you to state that takes courage! #ELTChat
2:21 pm Marisa_C: someone mentioned power play - one of the most important causes of disruptive behaviour #ELTchat
2:21 pm theteacherjames: #ELTCHAT It's a problem when teachers don't follow their own rules.
2:21 pm ShellTerrell: Often works with teens, yl, & adolescents! RT @BethCagnol: A trainee I'm with wants to know if anyone here can use the "evil eye?" #ELTCHAT
2:21 pm cecilialcoelho: Hello #ELTChat ... Sorry I'm late.... Which topic are we discussing today?
2:22 pm ShellTerrell: Yes we should model behavior RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat I make the students know that these rules go both ways (lateness, phone use etc).
2:22 pm BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell Have you ever used it Shelly? #ELTCHAT
2:22 pm ShellTerrell: @cecilialcoelho Discipline in the ELT Classroom #ELTChat
2:22 pm ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @theteacherjames: #ELTCHAT It's a problem when teachers don't follow their own rules.
2:22 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: someone mentioned power play - one of the most important causes of disruptive behaviour #ELTchat
2:23 pm MataCorvera: RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat If my students were bored, I'd be wondering what I was doing wrong, not them.
2:23 pm BethCagnol: RT @ShellTerrell: Yes we should model behavior RT @theteacherjames: #ELTChat I make the students know that these rules go both ways (lateness, phone use etc).
2:23 pm PixieAnia: @Marisa_C @#ELTchat good grades and...rewards at the end of school year for those with the biggest number of smileys:)
2:23 pm ShellTerrell: @bethcagnol Yes with young learners it's more effective than yelling which I've seen some teachers resort to #ELTchat
2:23 pm theteacherjames: @bethcagnol #ELTCHAT I tend to use "the disappointed shrug" rather than "the evil eye".
2:23 pm esolcourses: @Marisa_C @bethcagnol another thing I often do with learners is ask them to draw up code of conduct for classroom behaviour... #ELTCHAT
2:23 pm gret: @theteacherjames That's why it's better not to have too many rules. I heard of teachers having just one rule: Respect. #ELTChat
2:23 pm Showmyhomework: @SeanBanville I think smartphones will be common place in everyclassroom within the next 3 years. They are getting cheaper #Eltchat
2:23 pm ShellTerrell: Agree! And having plan b,c, d, e...RT @bcnpaul1: pacing of the lesson with YLs is a big thing #ELTChat
2:24 pm ShellTerrell: RT @gret: @theteacherjames That's why it's better not to have too many rules. I heard of teachers having just one rule: Respect. #ELTChat
2:24 pm bcnpaul1: s'times it's too easy to send a student out of class which doesn't often solve anything- equally threats to call parents don't work #ELTChat
2:24 pm Marisa_C: RT @bethcagnol another thing I often do with learners is ask them to draw up code of conduct for classroom behaviou #ELTCHAT Best idea today
2:24 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Showmyhomework: @SeanBanville I think smartphones will be common place in everyclassroom within the next 3 years. They are getting cheaper #Eltchat
2:24 pm esolcourses: @Marisa_C @bethcagnol ... rather than hand them a list of rules. #ELTCHAT
2:24 pm BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell It's probably good for conserving the vocal chords. Can you teach me the "evil eye" in November? #ELTCHAT
2:24 pm olafelch: @BethCagnol I'n not good at the evil eye, but I have walked out of a class a couple of times and waited for an apology. #ELTchat
2:24 pm ShellTerrell: Gr8 idea! RT @esolcourses: another thing I often do with learners is ask them to draw up code of conduct for classroom behaviour... #ELTCHAT
2:24 pm ShellTerrell: RT @theteacherjames: @bethcagnol #ELTCHAT I tend to use "the disappointed shrug" rather than "the evil eye".
2:24 pm kellylou: RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @seanbanville: Discipline problems disappear when students are interested in your materials / activities #Eltchat
2:24 pm seanbanville: RT @esolcourses: another thing I often do with learners is ask them to draw up code of conduct for classroom behaviour... #ELTCHAT
2:25 pm BethCagnol: @theteacherjames Can you describe the "disapointed shrug?"#ELTCHAT
2:25 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @theteacherjames: @bethcagnol #ELTCHAT I tend to use "the disappointed shrug" rather than "the evil eye" > I do both, more the eye I thnk
2:25 pm gret: @ShellTerrell @bcnpaul1 With YL having routines helps a lot! #ELTChat
2:25 pm Marisa_C: @PixieAnia i like the idea of positive points - rather than penalties esp for YLs e.g. best-behaved group this month is...... #ELTchat
2:25 pm ShellTerrell: @bethcagnol LOL! Sure! Try interrupting my preso or asking me a silly question ;-) #eltchat
2:25 pm PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @olafelch @#ELTchat We have to make the students forced by parents to learn join us on our side of the English bridge!!! :-)
2:26 pm wedaman: RT @ShellTerrell: Private chats where we listen to the student in my opinion take care of 90% of behavior issues #ELTchat
2:26 pm BethCagnol: @theteacherjames Yes...but a trainee I'm with here says that some teenagers use the "disappointed shrug" too. #ELTCHAT
2:26 pm theteacherjames: @gret #ELTCHAT That's okay, but some people seem to have a different way of defining 'respect' than I do! It needs some explanation, I think
2:26 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @olafelch: @BethCagnol (...) but I have walked out of a class a couple of times and waited for an apology. #ELTchat > Liked the idea
2:26 pm ShellTerrell: Completely agree! RT @gret: @ShellTerrell@bcnpaul1 With YL having routines helps a lot! #ELTChat
2:26 pm bcnpaul1: rewards & punishments: reward: song punishment: presentation in Eng. about a random topic like my favourite door makes it humorous #ELTChat
2:26 pm seanbanville: @esolcourses We do a code of conduct each semester - SS make mini posters - pinned to the walls. Doesn't last long :-( #Eltchat
2:27 pm esolcourses: @ShellTerrell @Marisa_C @bethcagnol usually the set of rules that they come up with pretty much=what I'd ask of them anyway #ELTChat
2:27 pm PixieAnia: @Marisa_C @#ELTchat 5 years and it still works for my Ss, they r disapointed when I forget to bring the magic box with smileys :-)
2:27 pm BethCagnol: @olafelch But the students risk laughing at the teacher for walking out. I'm not in favor. #ELTCHAT
2:27 pm cecilialcoelho: Sometimes I lower my tone of voice proportionaly inverse to the amount of noise/indiscipline in the classroom #ELTChat
2:27 pm olafelch: Has anyone used the "Green Line" approach? - Learners at the front, non-learners quietly at the back? #ELTchat
2:27 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Completely agree! RT @gret: @ShellTerrell @bcnpaul1 With YL having routines helps a lot! #ELTChat
2:27 pm ShellTerrell: @BethCagnol LOL! I can't imagine any of my students giving me a disappointed shrug #ELTchat
2:28 pm esolcourses: RT @SeanBanville We do a code of conduct each semester - SS make mini posters - pinned to the walls. Doesn't last long :-( #Eltchat Like it!
2:28 pm BethCagnol: Has anyone here asked a student to leave the classroom? #ELTCHAT
2:28 pm gret: @theteacherjames You can explain what your expectations are, have a lesson on what respect means. It's a great teaching opportunity #ELTChat
2:28 pm Marisa_C: RT @esolcourses:usually the set of rules that they come up with pretty much=what I'd ask of them anyway #ELTChat - isn't that Magic?
2:28 pm bcnpaul1: RT @ShellTerrell Completely agree! RT @gret: @ShellTerrell @bcnpaul1 With YL having routines helps a lot! #ELTChat ditto!
2:28 pm seanbanville: Teacher needs to be consistent with all students with discipline issues. The "disruptive angels" tend to get away with more. #ELTchat
2:28 pm theteacherjames: @bethcagnol #ELTCHAT It means, "Come on, you know that's not really acceptable, don't you?" Teaching adults means it's their choice.
2:28 pm ShellTerrell: @esolcourses lists of rules completely a waste of time for student & teacher! More meaningful if they come up with it & agree to it #eltchat
2:29 pm bcnpaul1: @esolcourses your profile pic is scaring me - can I use it for discipline purposes with my YLs #ELTChat
2:29 pm olafelch: @cecilialcoelho @BethCagnol Both times it worked rather well - the class came to me with commitments to improve. #ELTchat
2:29 pm ShellTerrell: RT @BethCagnol: Has anyone here asked a student to leave the classroom? #ELTCHAT
2:29 pm theteacherjames: RT @gret: You can explain what your expectations are, have a lesson on what respect means. It's a great teaching opportunity #ELTChat - yes!
2:29 pm Marisa_C: Ss creating own rules of conduct project at start of year - poster, display, book, a great idea #ELTchat
2:29 pm BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell Then come to France! You will see it all the time! #ELTCHAT
2:29 pm esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell ists of rules a waste of time for student & teacher! More meaningful if they come up with it & agree to it #eltchat
2:29 pm cecilialcoelho: @esolcourses @SeanBanville Yr code of conduct= classroom contracts we do w/ teens and kids. They write it collab and all sign it #ELTChat
2:30 pm bcnpaul1: @olafelch yes - or 'working' table and 'non-working' table. students can choose and change at will #ELTChat
2:30 pm BethCagnol: RT @Marisa_C: Ss creating own rules of conduct project at start of year - poster, display, book, a great idea #ELTchat
2:30 pm cecilialcoelho: @bethcagnol I've asked SS to leave the classroom about 10 times - in 17 years of teaching. Most for time-outs to think about it #ELTChat
2:30 pm ShellTerrell: @BethCagnol Once. Teenage boy threw desk at me. I asked him to walk his anger off in the hallway. I needed time to calm down, too #ELTChat
2:31 pm mattledding: @bethcagnol I have asked a 12 yr old student to leave only to find the problem was "hardware" not "software". #ELTChat
2:31 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @seanbanville: Teacher needs to be consistent with all students with discipline issues. The "disruptive angels" tend to get away with more. #ELTchat
2:31 pm seanbanville: Add a minute to the "this-is-what-time-we-leave clock" any time you have to stop the class. The naughty ones want to go early :) #Eltchat
2:31 pm BethCagnol: @esolcourses Why is it a "waste of time". I find rules set by the teacher saves time in the end. #ELTCHAT
2:31 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: Ss creating own rules of conduct project at start of year - poster, display, book, a great idea #ELTchat
2:31 pm olafelch: @bethcagnol I explained (very curtly) to them why I was doing it. Maybe they did laugh, but long-term it worked. #ELTchat
2:31 pm cecilialcoelho: @SeanBanville I believe consistency is key to discipline. Not being a monster, but firm at all times. #ELTChat
2:31 pm bcnpaul1: rules only work if they're referred to when they need to be. if done at start of course then ignored then what's the point? #ELTChat
2:32 pm ShellTerrell: LOL! you forgot to change it RT @bcnpaul1: @esolcourses your profile pic is scaring me can I use 4 discipline purposes with my YLs #ELTChat
2:32 pm olafelch: @lasic I know what you mean, but it was interesting that there was a migration forwards over a week or so. #ELTchat
2:33 pm bcnpaul1: a student here called a teacher an 'hija de puta', licked his coursebook and walked out of class - he was 8 years old!!! #ELTChat
2:33 pm BethCagnol: @bcnpaul1 And the rules are only good when the teacher is consistent down to the letter. That's the hard part. Really. #ELTCHAT
2:33 pm PixieAnia: @#ELTchat It's good to teach modals must/should/mustn't while creating the class behaviour contract, that makes sense.
2:33 pm ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: rules only work if they're referred to when they need to be. if done at start of course then ignored then what's the point? #ELTChat
2:33 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell behave terrell #ELTChat
2:33 pm ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @cecilialcoelho: @SeanBanville I believe consistency is key to discipline. Not being a monster, but firm at all times. #ELTChat
2:33 pm BethCagnol: RT @cecilialcoelho: @SeanBanville I believe consistency is key to discipline. Not being a monster, but firm at all times. #ELTChat
2:33 pm Marisa_C: RT @cecilialcoelho: @SeanBanville I believe consistency is key to discipline. Not being a monster, but firm at all times. #ELTChat
2:34 pm gret: @bcnpaul1 Agreed! Rules have to be respected, we can't expect our students to do so, if we teachers ignore them. #ELTChat
2:34 pm theteacherjames: #ELTCHAT It's worth pointing out that because of my most disruptive students I learned the most about my own teaching & how I could improve.
2:34 pm BethCagnol: But....how can we be firm with students who speak a language we don't! Tough one. #ELTCHAT
2:34 pm mattledding: RT @ShellTerrell: For very young learners Cooperative learning worked best. Once I got rid of the competition, they stopped fighting with each other #eltchat
2:34 pm cecilialcoelho: sum STs seem 2 b more aggressive & disrespectful than others. On similar occasions talking & trying 2 find out y has worked 4 me #ELTChat
2:34 pm theteacherjames: #ELTCHAT Blessing in disguise?
2:34 pm seanbanville: @cecilialcoelho Yes - firm all the time, and to everyone. Otherwise, easy for others to say you're playing favourites. #ELTChat
2:34 pm Marisa_C: In my research "being firm but not strict" came out as one of the top 20 teacher attributes #ELTchat
2:34 pm ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C It was @bcnpaul1 who started it! LOL! Oh no I feel your stink eye on me ;-) #eltchat
2:35 pm bksmith: @bethcagnol Yes. Sometimes asking a student to leave the classroom provides time for de-escalation (vs. power struggle) #ELTCHAT
2:35 pm BethCagnol: RT @bksmith: @bethcagnol Yes. Sometimes asking a student to leave the classroom provides time for de-escalation (vs. power struggle) #ELTCHAT
2:35 pm ShellTerrell: @cecilialcoelho Consistency also helps us not to show favoritism which may cause added behavioral problems #Eltchat
2:35 pm ShellTerrell: RT @BethCagnol: But....how can we be firm with students who speak a language we don't! Tough one. #ELTCHAT
2:36 pm bcnpaul1: @shellterrell "it was me who started it" !!! that sounds like a comment in a YL class :) #ELTChat
2:36 pm cecilialcoelho: @SeanBanville Absolutely! Sometimes I reason asking if they'd like 4 me 2 have done the same 2 them... Trying 2 have them empathize #ELTChat
2:36 pm olafelch: @BethCagnol That raises the issue of the "No questions!" order. You allow a reasonable exception and open the floodgates. #ELTchat
2:36 pm BethCagnol: @bksmith After being expelled, a trainee I'm with thinks the teacher should then follow up with the student. Discuss reasons #ELTCHAT
2:36 pm ShellTerrell: @bethcagnol The language can be a barrier. Had this problem with YL class of complete beginners. #ELTchat
2:37 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: In my research "being firm but not strict" came out as one of the top 20 teacher attributes #ELTchat
2:37 pm bcnpaul1: I sometimes refuse to talk until sts calm down - write all instructions on w/b - it really works at getting them to chill out a bit #ELTChat
2:37 pm ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C What's the difference between firm vs strict in your opinion? #ELTChat
2:37 pm esolcourses: @bethcagnol depends on how U approach it? I see getting s's to set own rules as a conversation activity which cuts down on TTT :-) #ELTCHAT
2:38 pm cecilialcoelho: Sat we had teen Hallwn party & a st (not mine) was V rude 2 me when I asked if she'd called her parents (way past end of party) #ELTChat
2:38 pm bcnpaul1: when I say w/b I mean IWB... oops we're not discussing IWBs are we!! #ELTChat
2:38 pm PixieAnia: @Marisa_C @#ELTChat the contract needs to contain not only We can't/musn't..- but positive points too e.g We can play games with our T ;-)
2:38 pm olafelch: @BethCagnol And sometimes sending the student out is doing exactly what he wanted. That's what makes it so damned difficult. #ELTchat
2:38 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell I think the children who responded meant strict=mean or unreasonably strict #ELTChat
2:39 pm BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell How did you deal with the language barrier? #ELTCHAT
2:39 pm bcnpaul1: strict = shouting and not smiling & being dictatorial. firm= being reasonable and fair #ELTChat
2:39 pm cecilialcoelho: I calmly askd her Y she'd been so rude if I had talked so nicely 2 her. Made her feel bad about trying 2 look cool...she apologzed. #ELTChat
2:40 pm esolcourses: RT @bcnpaul1: I sometimes refuse to talk until sts calm down - write all instructions on w/b - it really works at getting them to chill out a bit #ELTChat
2:40 pm ShellTerrell: @bethcagnol Eventually I used the German commands I learnt for my dog. Sounds terrible right?! #ELTChat
2:40 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @bcnpaul1: strict = shouting and not smiling & being dictatorial. firm= being reasonable and fair #ELTChat
2:40 pm ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: strict = shouting and not smiling & being dictatorial. firm= being reasonable and fair #ELTChat
2:40 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell The other quality associated with good teachers was "being fair" @Seanbanvillementioned that in another tweet #ELTChat
2:40 pm mattledding: #ELTchat I have several groups of "low stream" kids with attention problems in a class without chairs. No shoes 4 them, I have LOUD ones.
2:40 pm BethCagnol: @olafelch Yes, but then he/she misses the content in class and thus is at a disadvantage. Thus does poorly on the exam. #ELTCHAT
2:40 pm ShellTerrell: RT @PixieAnia: @Marisa_C @#ELTChat the contract needs to contain not only We can't/musn't..- but positive points too e.g We can play games with our T ;-)
2:41 pm Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: strict = shouting and not smiling & being dictatorial. firm= being reasonable and fair #ELTChat - great thank you yes
2:41 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: strict = shouting and not smiling & being dictatorial. firm= being reasonable and fair #ELTChat (does strict =shouting?)
2:41 pm cecilialcoelho: Keeping same tone of voice at all times shows control. Shouting or raising not good IMHO (hard not to sometimes, I know) #2:41 pm ShellTerrell: @bethcagnolI also began using nonverbal cues more #eltchat
2:41 pm BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell Not at all! I told one kid last week, "Out! Now. Go!" and it worked. #ELTCHAT
2:41 pm Marisa_C: @PixieAnia yes - include positive things too - v good point - rules must not look grim and horrible #ELTChat
2:42 pm PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @#ELTChat I start to speak quieter, almost whisper- usually works too :-)
2:42 pm bksmith: @bethcagnol Same applies w/ own children. Do you send them to their rooms and never discuss or explain? http://tinyurl.com/2c6k7g6#ELTCHAT
2:42 pm seanbanville: Knowing the Arabic for "quiet please" and "what are you doing?" has worked for me - SS amused by my attempts at their language #ELTCHAT
2:42 pm bcnpaul1: @olafelch strict doesn't always=shouting but it's often an element of it I think. Shouting is a tool to be used very very sparingly #ELTChat
2:42 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 not sure what you mean by not smiling. I don't smile when I'm believe I'm being firm. I think smiling sends wrong message #ELtchat
2:43 pm mattledding: RT @bksmith: @bethcagnol Same applies w/ own children. Do you send them to their rooms and never discuss or explain?http://tinyurl.com/2c6k7g6 #ELTCHAT
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: RT @cecilialcoelho: Keeping same tone of voice at all times shows control. Shouting or raising not good IMHO (hard not to sometimes, I know) #ELTChat
2:43 pm Marisa_C: @cecilialcoelho teacher shouts - class shouts #ELTChat
2:43 pm cecilialcoelho: @olafelch @BethCagnol Don't think they mind missing content.But I 3D"More info" href="http://wthashtag.com/ELTChat">ELTChat
2:43 pm PixieAnia: @Marisa_C @#ELTChat true! otherwise they may refuse to sign the contract ;-)
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell The other quality associated with good teachers was "being fair" @Seanbanville mentioned that in another tweet #ELTChat
2:43 pm seanbanville: Shouting, raising your voice always a bad idea - always backfires on me. #ELTCHAT
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: RT @seanbanville: Knowing the Arabic for "quiet please" and "what are you doing?" has worked for me - SS amused by my attempts at their language #ELTCHAT
2:43 pm cecilialcoelho: @olafelch @BethCagnol And after I leave the others busy with something I go outside to have a calm little chat... #ELTChat
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: RT @PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @#ELTChat I start to speak quieter, almost whisper- usually works too :-)
2:43 pm PixieAnia: RT @Marisa_C: @cecilialcoelho teacher shouts - class shouts #ELTChat
2:43 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Marisa_C: @PixieAnia yes - include positive things too - v good point - rules must not look grim and horrible #ELTChat
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: @cecilialcoelho teacher shouts - class shouts #ELTChat
2:44 pm How do we measure discipline in the class? #ELTchat
2:44 pm mattledding: RT @PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @#ELTChat I start to speak quieter, almost whisper- usually works too :-)
2:44 pm cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C Yes, it becomes a shouting contest...never works. And it makes people even more nervous. #ELTChat
2:44 pm ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: How do we measure discipline in the class? #ELTchat
2:44 pm BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell One trainee I'm with says verbal cues are tricky because they can be culture specific. #ELTCHAT
2:44 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: @cecilialcoelho teacher shouts - class shouts #ELTChat
2:45 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1 @#ELTChat I start to speak quieter, almost whisper- usually works too :-) > I do that too...V effective many times
2:45 pm seanbanville: RT @olafelch: How do we measure discipline in the class? #ELTchat || ELT discipline issues very tame compared to high schools #ELTCHAT
2:45 pm olafelch: @seanbanville I agree, though I know a teacher who can flip out - it's v rare but it seems to work for him. #ELTchat
2:45 pm PixieAnia: @Marisa_C @cecilialcoelho @#ELTChat T shouts--> voice gone, sore throat-> sick leave -> Ss win!! we dont want that!
2:45 pm I don't like using rewards with YL. It usually means the kid w/ discipline prob never receives anything & continues misbehaving #ELTchat
2:45 pm Marisa_C: RT @BethCagnol: @ShellTerrell One trainee I'm with says verbal cues are tricky because they can be culture specific. #ELTCHAT true
2:45 pm nelbaquintana: @seanbanville #ELTCHAT the more you shout, the less Ss listen to you!
2:45 pm bcnpaul1: @olafelch that's a really gd point. I guess if the lesson flows well it's been a success - low crowd control to high #ELTChat
2:46 pm Marisa_C: @BethCagnol Read Desmond Morris' MANWATCHING great book #ELTCHAT
2:46 pm olafelch: RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @PixieAnia: @bcnpaul1@#ELTChat I start to speak quieter, almost whisper- usually works too :-) > I do that too.
2:46 pm theteacherjames: #ELTCHAT There's normally a few who are loud, so I get the others to be quiet. Soon the loud ones realise it's just them talking, & stop.
2:46 pm BethCagnol: @cecilialcoelho @olafelch You can have the chat with him provided he hasn't already gone home. #ELTCHAT
2:46 pm gret: RT @ShellTerrell: I don't like using rewards with YL. It usually means the kid w/ discipline prob never receives anything & continues misbehaving #ELTchat
2:46 pm cecilialcoelho: The biggest issue I have against shouting is that I try 2 teach my SS 2 solve conflicts w/ talk & reasoning. We have 2 set example! #ELTChat
2:47 pm esolcourses: @SeanBanville @Marisa_C @cecilialcoelho one trick for getting attention iwith a noisy group is to use a prop - bell, whistle, etc #ELTChat
2:47 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell FIND a reward for him to motivate him - invent one #ELTchat
ShellTerrell: @vqsteve I give evil eye in whole room setting 4 some offenses but in hallway I ask, "What's going on?" in most sincere voice #ELTChat
2:47 pm cecilialcoelho: @bethcagnol @olafelch I do it during class time, while others are busy doing some activity #ELTChat
2:47 pm olafelch: @SeanBanville Agreed. #ELTchat
2:47 pm seanbanville: RT @nelbaquintana: #ELTCHAT the more you shout, the less Ss listen to you! || and the more likely they are to laugh at you.
2:48 pm PixieAnia: @nelbaquintana @seanbanville @#ELTCHAT the more you shout, the less Ss listen to you!- and they get used to the shouting!
2:48 pm ShellTerrell: @bethcagnol Very true. I think I should've prefaced by adding we have to know the nonverbal cues of the culture #Eltchat
2:48 pm BethCagnol: Has anyone read this guy's e-book? I downloaded it and read it cover to cover. Hard core:http://www.classroomdiscipline101.com/#ELTCHAT
2:48 pm bcnpaul1: @ShellTerrell but if the whole group suffers as a result of one or 2 kids messing around there's more whole class responsibility... #ELTChat
2:48 pm ShellTerrell: RT @PixieAnia: @nelbaquintana @seanbanville@#ELTCHAT the more you shout, the less Ss listen to you!- and they get used to the shouting!
2:48 pm fiteach: RT @ShellTerrell: I don't like using rewards with YL. It usually means the kid w/ discipline prob never receives anything & continues misbehaving #ELTchat"55px" valign="top">2:48 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrellSo misbehaving is a way of getting the teacher's attention - correct? #ELTchat
2:48 pm hoprea: RT @ShellTerrell: Private chats where we listen to the student in my opinion take care of 90% of behavior issues #ELTchat
2:48 pm theteacherjames: RT cecilialcoelho: The biggest issue I have against shouting is that I try 2 teach my SS 2 solve conflicts w/ talk & reasoning. #ELTChat
2:49 pm cecilialcoelho: @esolcourses @SeanBanville @Marisa_C Getting attention I do unsual & unexpected. Meowing, barking, beeping, held my breath once #ELTChat
2:49 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 @Marisa_C I prefer not using rewards at all. Student parties, prizes, etc related to theme, topic, vocabulary, lesson #ELTChat
2:49 pm olafelch: RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell So misbehaving is a way of getting the teacher's attention - correct? #ELTchat (In some cases, sure!)
2:50 pm cecilialcoelho: @esolcourses @SeanBanville @Marisa_C They stop disruptive behvior cos they become interested "What is the T doing?" - Changes focus #ELTChat
2:50 pm nelbaquintana: #ELTCHAT whenever Ss start talking, I stay silent. This calls them their attention they are more used to noise than to silence;-)
2:50 pm BethCagnol: @cecilialcoelho What happened once you held your breath!? I'm dying to know. #ELTCHAT
2:50 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell So misbehaving is a way of getting the teacher's attention - correct? #ELTchat > Many times Yes
2:50 pm chrisemdin: There is such beauty in using non-verbal cues to communicate. Students appreciate taking the time to create these cues with you #ELTchat
2:51 pm ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C Yes, it majority of cases child acts out because he/ she wants attention may be home issue #ELTChat
2:51 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell in some cases reward work - i prefer rewarding groups rather than individuals - then grp takes care of individual #ELTChat
2:51 pm PixieAnia: 'You're preventing your friends frm learning' - telling off with a really calm voice works MUCH better than shouting :-) @#ELTChat
2:51 pm gret: @ShellTerrell I'm against using rewards with YL 2. I try to help kids w/ discipline prob by connecting w/ them and motivating them. #ELTChat
2:51 pm dfogarty: #ELTchat Disciplinary shouting is violent behaviour. I guess none of us want to impose violent behaviour on our charges?
2:51 pm ShellTerrell: RT @chrisemdin: There is such beauty in using non-verbal cues to communicate. Students appreciate taking the time to create these cues with you #ELTchat
2:51 pm seanbanville: RT @cecilialcoelho: Getting attention I do unsual & unexpected. Meowing, barking, beeping, held my breath once #ELTChat || Cn c tht working
2:51 pm bcnpaul1: @cecilialcoelho !!! #ELTChat
2:51 pm esolcourses: RT @nelbaquintana: #ELTCHAT whenever Ss start talking, I stay silent. This calls them their attention they are more used to noise than to silence;-)
2:52 pm PixieAnia: RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell in some cases reward work - i prefer rewarding groups rather than individuals - then grp takes care of individual #ELTChat
2:52 pm Marisa_C: RT @neltle="More info" href="http://wthashtag.com/ELTchat">ELTchatSo you try being reasonable, but the student doesn't want you 2 be reasonable. They want to provoke a reaction from you. Now what?
2:52 pm ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C very tricky. I think a lot of experience needed to do it right which you have #eltchat
2:52 pm cecilialcoelho: @bethcagnol Held breath...1 ST noticed, nudged other til all stopped & asked what I was doing... ;-) Worked! We laughed & moved on #ELTChat
2:52 pm ShellTerrell: RT @gret: @ShellTerrell I'm against using rewards with YL 2. I try to help kids w/ discipline prob by connecting w/ them and motivating them. #ELTChat
2:53 pm BethCagnol: @PixieAnia Peer pressure can be very effective. #ELTCHAT
2:53 pm ShellTerrell: RT @dfogarty: #ELTchat Disciplinary shouting is violent behaviour. I guess none of us want to impose violent behaviour on our charges?
2:53 pm PeacefulSchools: RT @chrisemdin: There is such beauty in using non-verbal cues to communicate. Students appreciate taking the time to create these cues with you #ELTchat
2:53 pm cecilialcoelho: @sspcampsie Showing emotions with teens can backfire very easily in my opinion... #ELTChat
2:53 pm BethCagnol: @dfogarty Not violent. Firm. There's a line. I think we should all know how to be firm. #ELTCHAT
2:53 pm ShellTerrell: @chrisemdin Never thought of coming up with the nonverbal cues together! Great idea! #eltchat
2:53 pm chrisemdin: Another great tool is writing quick notes on a post-it during a lesson to a poorly behaved student #ELTchat
2:54 pm dfogarty: #ELTchat It strikes me we're talking in text book terms, where our thoughtful behaviour triggers obedience. Probs arise when this not true
2:54 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell I think the problem is not this one - Ts need an OVERALL strategy from DAY ONE of a class - why things fall apart #2:54 pm cecilialcoelho: @dfogartyNever Diarmuid... I practice peace teaching... trying to show STs we need more peace & tolerance in the world #ELTChat
2:54 pm olafelch: A lot of the cooperative learning people use a tuning fork to get quiet in the room - works better than asking for it. #ELTchat
2:54 pm theteacherjames: @dfogarty #ELTChat I learned that lesson the hard way - got told off by a student in front of the class. Caught me off guard.
2:54 pm bcnpaul1: Rewards are tricky. I see T's overuse them and they have more discipline probs than Ts who don't - the reward is all they focus on #ELTchat
2:54 pm esolcourses: @dfogarty I think the classic answer to that one is don't react. #ELTchat
2:54 pm Marisa_C: @dfogarty 'splain pls? #ELTchat
2:55 pm PixieAnia: @bethcagnol true! @#ELTCHAT making them feel responsible for others learning:-)
2:55 pm seanbanville: Slowly walking to your desk and sitting down and waiting has also worked for me - Other students tell the naughty ones off. #ELTCHAT
2:55 pm gret: RT @bcnpaul1: Rewards are tricky. I see T's overuse them and they have more discipline probs than Ts who don't - the reward is all they focus on #ELTchat
2:56 pm chrisemdin: Creating non verbal dialogue about behavior that isnt confrontational #ELTchat
2:56 pm Marisa_C: @sspcampsie Voice modulation good - dramatisation great - shouting means you ve lost it really #ELTchat
2:56 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @seanbanville: Slowly walking to your desk and sitting down and waiting has also worked for me - Other students tell the naughty ones off. #ELTCHAT
2:56 pm bcnpaul1: @SeanBanville yes, but if you have to do that several times in the lesson, how much learning happens? #ELTchat
2:57 pm hoprea: Walking towards disruptive students and just touching them on the arm without interrupting what you're doing works, too. #ELTChat
2:57 pm cybraryman1: My Communicating with Children page:http://cybraryman.com/communication.html#eltchat
2:57 pm ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C not sure what you meant by that. Are you saying Ts need strategy for classrm managemt from day 1! Then I agree #eltchat
2:57 pm dfogarty: @Marisa_C #ELTchat Just that bad behaviour can sometimes be quite serious & not always resolved by well-intentioned measures. Then what?
2:57 pm cecilialcoelho: @SeanBanville This has worked for me....but it also hasn't a couple of times. STs around here r becoming more obnoxiouos #ELTChat
2:57 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: @sspcampsie Voice modulation good - dramatisation great - shouting means you ve lost it really #ELTchat
2:57 pm ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: Rewards are tricky. I see T's overuse them and they have more discipline probs than Ts who don't - the reward is all they focus on #ELTchat
2:57 pm BethCagnol: Sleeping in class: I know one teacher who takes a picture of the culprit and then emails it to the administration. #ELTCHAT
2:57 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell And for soliciting good behaviour inclusive of management yes - :-) #eltchat
2:58 pm seanbanville: @bcnpaul1 Ill-discipline will always take away from learning time. #ELTCHAT
2:58 pm bcnpaul1: @seanbanville what I mean is you need to try and keep the flow of the lesson. interrupt it and the 'naughty' st has won #ELTChat
2:58 pm cecilialcoelho: I feel a blog post boiling and bubbling... too many things difficult 2 put in 140 chrs #ELTChat
2:58 pm olafelch: @hoprea I imagine that works well, but in some schools there is an absolute "no touch" rule. #ELTchat
2:58 pm ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @seanbanville: @bcnpaul1 Ill-discipline will always take away from learning time. #ELTCHAT
2:58 pm dfogarty: @hoprea #ELTChat Unless they scream at you for touching them...then possible suspension awaits!
2:58 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @bethcagnol: Sleeping in class: I know a T who takes a picture of the culprit & then emails it to the administration. #ELTCHAT > Luv it!
2:58 pm BethCagnol: @hoprea My trainees says that touching could be risky cause the students could feel or saying they are being "harassed." #ELTCHAT
2:59 pm Marisa_C: @dfogarty Agree - so far I guess talking proactive - now to reactive? What if you do need to react? #ELTchat
2:59 pm bcnpaul1: @SeanBanville true enough #ELTchat
2:59 pm hoprea: @dfogarty @Marisa_C 1st: teacher & student / 2nd step: Teacher+Coordinator & Student / 3rd step: School+Parents & Students #ELTChat
2:59 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C #ELTchat Just that bad behaviour can sometimes be quite serious & not always resolved by well-intentioned measures. Then what?
2:59 pm chrisemdin: Ever thought to play music the kids love in class at low volumes? Works wonders for noise & focus #ELTchat
2:59 pm ShellTerrell: RT @cybraryman1: My Communicating with Children page:http://cybraryman.com/communication.html#eltchat
2:59 pm BethCagnol: @olafelch I understand in the US there's a no touch rule and in Sweden too I'm told by my trainees. #ELTCHAT
3:00 pm olafelch: @cecilialcoelho Brilliant use of a digital camera in class! #ELTchat
3:00 pm Marisa_C: @cecilialcoelho ha ha! #ELTCHAT
3:00 pm PixieAnia: @#ELTCHAT no matter how much they misbehave- never lose your temper or you lose the battle!
3:00 pm seanbanville: @bcnpaul1 With exams I write "please be quiet" on the board. They want 2 go home. Sitting at my desk means later home time. #ELTCHAT
3:00 pm cecilialcoelho: @bethcagnol @hoprea Not in Brazil Beth... we're very touchy-feely here... ;-) I touch SS' arms and shoulder all the time #ELTChat
3:00 pm ShellTerrell: @hoprea In US touching a student would be a lawsuit because they could claim abuse #ELTChat
3:00 pm BethCagnol: RT @PixieAnia: @#ELTCHAT no matter how much they misbehave- never lose your temper or you lose the battle!
3:00 pm dfogarty: #ELTchat Point being that some classes won't respond to self-generated rules, touching, whispers, breath-holiding, gentle words. Then what?
3:00 pm hoprea: @olafelch @dfogarty @bethcagnol Oh, absolutely! Touching is only allowed in certain cultural contexts. I agree with that! #ELTChat
3:01 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: @dfogarty Agree - so far I guess talking proactive - now to reactive? What if you do need to react? #ELTchat
3:01 pm ShellTerrell: RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @bethcagnol: Sleeping in class: I know a T who takes a picture of the culprit & then emails it to the administration. #ELTCHAT > Luv it!
3:01 pm chrisemdin: RT @ShellTerrell: @chrisemdin Never thought of coming up with the nonverbal cues together! Great idea! #eltchat
3:01 pm Marisa_C: RT @hoprea: @dfogarty @Marisa_C 1st: T & student / 2nd step: Teacher+Coordinator & Student / 3rd step: School+Parents & Students #ELTChat
3:01 pm Webefl: @chrisemdin #ELTchat I allow the Ss to put on the radio during break, when I come back and turn it off, the Ss seem to just sit down calmly
3:02 pm ShellTerrell: @hoprea I was even told I couldn't hug students in US or pat their heads #ELTChat
3:02 pm ShellTerrell: RT @dfogarty: #ELTchat Point being that some classes won't respond to self-generated rules, touching, whispers, breath-holiding, gentle words. Then what?
3:02 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @PixieAnia: @#ELTCHAT no matter how much they misbehave- never lose your temper or you lose the battle!
3:02 pm Marisa_C: @sspcampsie it is quite terrible! but many Ts think nothing of frightening children ... not the present company tho thnk god #ELTchat
3:02 pm PixieAnia: @bethcagnol: Sleeping in class: I know a T who takes a picture of the culprit & then emails it to the administration @#ELTCHAT love it too!
3:02 pm olafelch: @bethcagnol I think technically there is one here in Germany, though it is not generally applied in an absolute fashion. #ELTchat
3:02 pm dfogarty: #ELTchat Think some Sts are truly damaged people. How can we help them? Do we always need to fall back on hierarchical solutions?
3:02 pm seanbanville: @Marisa_C @olafelch @ShellTerrell Thanks to these fine moderators for another great #ELTCHAT Have to run :-)
3:03 pm esolcourses: RT @dfogarty: #ELTchat Point being that some classes won't respond to self-generated rules, touching, whispers, breath-holiding, gentle words. Then what?
3:03 pm chrisemdin: @cecilialcoelho @bethcagnol Thats only fair if they can video poor teaching and share it with others #ELTCHAT
3:03 pm hoprea: @ShellTerrell I can see that happening... unfortunately, the majority has got to pay for the mistakes of few. #ELTChat
3:03 pm ShellTerrell: @dfogarty Classes or individuals? I've never had a class not respond but perhaps individual & I've worked in high violence schls #ELTChat
3:03 pm bcnpaul1: @SeanBanville I remember that feeling of wanting to go home and the T not letting us!! Do you let the sts out 1 by 1? #ELTchat
3:03 pm Marisa_C: One good trick: If class unruly and getting ur goat tell them you give them 3 mins to be as unruly as they want - then to bsusiness #ELTchat
3:04 pm cecilialcoelho: @dfogarty Ultimately we break the class apart... mix w/ other groups. Many times disruptive grups have a leader who infects others. #ELTChat
3:04 pm Webefl: @dfogarty #ELTchat could try to find out what they want from class, what they think is missing and devise some sort of treaty (?)
3:04 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: One good trick: If class unruly and getting ur goat tell them you give them 3 mins to be as unruly as they want - then to bsusiness #ELTchat
3:04 pm Marisa_C: @dfogarty No discipline issue is a group issue - always a personal one #ELTchat
3:04 pm ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C That's a great idea! #ELTChat will try that :-)
3:04 pm sjhannam: @dfogarty #ELTchat why not follow the same approch we do wtih all damaged individuals? Ss are no different.
3:05 pm dfogarty: #ELTchat @shellterrell Individuals, I think. My concern is to reassure that even with all these gr8 suggestions, failure still an option!
3:05 pm ShellTerrell: RT @sjhannam: @dfogarty #ELTchat why not follow the same approch we do wtih all damaged individuals? Ss are no different.
3:05 pm bcnpaul1: thank you @shellterrell @Marisa_C @olafelch for moderating another insightful #ELTChat
3:05 pm PixieAnia: @Marisa_C @#ELTchat could work too - just don't leave the classroom for the 3 min ;-)
3:05 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: @dfogarty No discipline issue is a group issue - always a personal one #ELTchat ] agree. Sometimes U need to dig 4 reasons
3:05 pm lasic: A fitting image for today's #ELTchat? ;-)http://bit.ly/btbAnQ
3:05 pm BethCagnol: RT @bcnpaul1: thank you @shellterrell@Marisa_C @olafelch for moderating another insightful #ELTChat
3:05 pm ShellTerrell I use this for excessive use of L1 too - "I forbid you to speak ENglish for 3 mins!" Works! #ELTChat
3:05 pm mattledding: RT @Marisa_C: One good trick: If class unruly and getting ur goat tell them you give them 3 mins to be as unruly as they want - then to bsusiness #ELTchat
3:05 pm hoprea: @dfogarty Gee... I guess there are (very few) cases in which students will need the help of a psychologist. Not so common, though. #ELTChat
3:05 pm sevans59: With Spanish teens my experience has shown that extreme formalised politeness in times of crisis give great leverage when needed #ELTchat
3:06 pm ShellTerrell: @hoprea It is quite sad when you meet students who come from homes where they are neglected. Sometimes a kid needs a hug #ELTchat
3:06 pm sjhannam: @ShellTerrell #ELTchat same in UK Shelly. Not in Greece. As a teacher of young ones inconceivable not to hug them once in a while : )
3:06 pm dfogarty: @sjhannam #ELTchat Hi Sara! Drug them and bang them up? ;-)
3:06 pm cecilialcoelho: @sspcampsie I thnk pre-teens respond better 2 feeling demonstration. Teens like 2 mock it many times. That's the world we live 2day #ELTChat
3:06 pm gret: @ShellTerrell @Marisa_C I usually give them 1 min, am I being to mean? lol I'll try 3 min next time! #ELTChat
3:06 pm PixieAnia: RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: @dfogarty No discipline issue is a group issue - always a personal one #ELTchat ] agree. Sometimes U need to dig 4 reasons
3:06 pm esolcourses: RT @BethCagnol: RT @bcnpaul1: thank you @shellterrell @Marisa_C @olafelch for moderating another insightful #ELTChat
3:06 pm cecilialcoelho: @nutrich Keep them closer...I change them to a chair next to me, away from everyone else sometimes. #ELTChat
3:06 pm sspcampsie: @Marisa_C yip.some teachers i have met are typical of capitalist bully culture ie. Are in their job for power. #ELTchat
3:07 pm ShellTerrell: @dfogarty Very true, but I think if you keep trying eventually you & the student get there. It's quitting the true failure #ELTChat
3:07 pm hoprea: @ShellTerrell The funny thing is that lots of movies portraying Ts and Stds show the power that affection has on learning. #ELTChat
3:07 pm sjhannam: @dfogarty #ELTchat speak 4 yerself! I was thinking about showing understanding and interest.This is often enough,even in serious cases.
3:07 pm Marisa_C: @nutrich I still think u need to deal with individuals w/in group not en masse #ELTchat
3:07 pm PixieAnia: @ShellTerrell @hoprea @#ELTchat or just needs to be listened to!
3:07 pm ShellTerrell: RT @hoprea: @ShellTerrell The funny thing is that lots of movies portraying Ts and Stds show the power that affection has on learning. #ELTChat

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