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Transcript from October 13, 2010

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October 13, 2010
2:00 pm olafelch: So, the question is: How can we encourage quiet or shy students to participate more in class? #ELTchat
2:00 pm vickyloras: For the following hour,my tweets will be focused on #ELTChat
2:00 pm ShellTerrell: For the next hr my tweets dedicated to #ELTChat Topic: How can we encourage quiet or shy Ss to participate more in class?
2:01 pm ShellTerrell: @olafelch It must be your brilliant production voice that's getting the #s ;-) #ELTchat
2:01 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat I always think it's good to find out about students to try and begin to establish why they might be quiet
2:02 pm gret: @olafelch First thing is work hard to build a safe and positive learning environment. Group Building is very important #ELTChat
2:02 pm ShellTerrell: Seems I missed @Marisa_C 's prereading for this topic ;-) #ELTChat
2:02 pm InglesInteract: For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to #eltchat
2:02 pm ShellTerrell: Gr8 idea! RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat I always think it's good to find out about students to try and begin to establish why they might be quiet
2:02 pm cecilialcoelho: Good afternoon/morning all! #ELTChat
2:02 pm bcnpaul1: Is it realistic to expect naturally quiet students to speak up in class just because it's a language class #ELTChat
2:02 pm efl101: Partener them with more gregarious students? See if it rubs off? #eltchat
2:02 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat I always think it's good to find out about students... -> Perhaps by letting them write about it first?
2:02 pm gret: @ShellTerrell There was a pre-reading? I missed it too =( #ELTChat
2:03 pm ShellTerrell: For young learners, I find puppets, games, & technology brings them out of their shells #ELTChat
2:03 pm Shaunwilden: RT @olafelch: How can we encourage quiet or shy students to participate more in class? #ELTchatdont allow strong sts to take over
2:03 pm cybraryman1: To get students involved you have to build community in classroom: http://bit.ly/dxQZfz #eltchat(Includes tips for shy students)
2:03 pm olafelch: @gret Agree about group building. What do you do with those who are outside the group? #ELTchat
2:03 pm bcnpaul1: Personally, I think gentle, bit by bit encouragement in a non-threatening environment is key #ELTChat
2:03 pm englishraven: RT @efl101: Partener them with more gregarious students? See if it rubs off? -> Could make them every quieter? #eltchat
2:04 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: Is it realistic to expect naturally quiet students to speak up in class just because it's a language class #ELTChat
2:04 pm ShellTerrell: RT @bcnpaul1: Personally, I think gentle, bit by bit encouragement in a non-threatening environment is key #ELTChat
2:04 pm vickyloras: Ice breakers-questions,but the same for everyone in the beginning,no singling out? #ELTChat
2:04 pm ShellTerrell: RT @englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat I always think it's good to find out about students... -> Perhaps by letting them write about it first?
2:04 pm Shaunwilden: RT @gret: @ShellTerrell There was a pre-reading? I missed it too =( #ELTChat i didnt see her tweet any
2:04 pm RGriffithJR: @ShellTerrell I have found these tactics also work at the higher levels, but sometimes just need a little adaptation #ELTchat
2:04 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: RT @efl101: Partener them with more gregarious students? See if it rubs off? -> Could make them every quieter? #eltchat
2:04 pm englishraven: My first rule... being shy and quiet is perfectly acceptable in my class, if that's the sort of person you are :-) #ELTChat
2:04 pm efl101: @englishraven true, is a danger, #eltchat
2:04 pm cecilialcoelho: Giving them time 2 feel comfortable in the group & not pushing 4 them 2 speak (at least at first) is essential 2 establish trust #ELTChat
2:05 pm bcnpaul1: @shaunwilden - not letting strong students take over is good in principle but in reality, its difficult to get that switch #ELTChat
2:05 pm esolcourses: @Shaunwilden yr welcome! Always useful to have alternative apps, in case one of them grinds to a halt :-) http://bit.ly/rX7M9 #ELTChat
2:05 pm bjnichols: #ELTChat Contributions are most likely when the information is high-interest & relevant. Find out what kids like & use it.
2:05 pm RGriffithJR: Allowing for them to comment, answer, or promote an idea of personal interest is extremely beneficial as well. #eltchat
2:05 pm ShellTerrell: Pairing students can help them connect with others but we have to be careful we don't pair them with overbearing partner #ELTchat
2:05 pm gret: @olafelch I make sure everybody understands it's our group. We are all part of it. Games, Stories, Group activities. #ELTChat
2:05 pm JoeMcVeigh: Need to create safe, non-threatening atmosphere in which it is OK to take risks. #ELTchat
2:05 pm olafelch: @efl101 Have you tried that? I didn't try it because I thought the talkative one would just talk for the both of them. #eltchat
2:05 pm GilMattos: RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @ELTchat: The theme for the 1st #ELTchat today is: How can we encourage quiet or shy students to participate more in class? (3pm GMT)
2:05 pm efl101: could get them to record things and have a recording conversation instead? #eltchat
2:06 pm Shaunwilden: @bcnpaul1 Well dont accept shouting out - use names, ask to put up hands is a start #ELTChat
2:06 pm bcnpaul1: @englishraven I agree but they should be encouraged gradually to speak a bit more thru' safe activities #ELTChat
2:06 pm Shaunwilden: RT @cecilialcoelho: Giving them time 2 feel comfortable in the group & not pushing 4 them 2 speak (at least at first) is essential 2 establish trust #ELTChat
2:06 pm vickyloras: RT @englishraven My first rule...being shy and quiet is perfectly acceptable in my class, if that's the sort of person you are :-) #ELTChat
2:06 pm olafelch: RT @JoeMcVeigh: Need to create safe, non-threatening atmosphere in which it is OK to take risks. #ELTchat (Great point)
2:06 pm ShellTerrell: Agree RT @englishraven: My 1st rule- being shy & quiet is perfectly acceptable, if that's the sort of person you are :-) #ELTChat
2:06 pm RGriffithJR: @cecilialcoelho I think you identified an excellent point referencing trust. Are they shy b/c they are not trusting? #eltchat
2:06 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @englishraven: My 1st rule... being shy & quiet is perfctly acceptble in my class, (...) :-) #ELTChat >Agree. Hv 2 respect personality
2:06 pm meggoos: For most learners sharing something about yourself as the 'teacher' is a good start. #ELTchat
2:06 pm esolcourses: RT @cecilialcoelho: Giving them time 2 feel comfortable in the group & not pushing 4 them 2 speak (at least at first) is essential 2 establish trust #ELTChat
2:06 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat letting all sts plan what they want to say before they say it is good
2:06 pm ShellTerrell: Gr8 ideas! RT @vickyloras: Ice breakers-questions,but the same for everyone in the beginning,no singling out? #ELTChat
2:07 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @ShellTerrell: Pairing students can help them connect with others but we have to be careful we don't pair them with overbearing partner #ELTchat
2:07 pm RGriffithJR: @ShellTerrell So should they be paired with those who are similar? #eltchat
2:07 pm ShellTerrell: RT @RGriffithJR: Allowing for them to comment, answer, or promote an idea of personal interest is extremely beneficial as well. #eltchat
2:07 pm gret: @RGriffithJR You're right. What do we mean by participation? To me participation means more than oral and written work. #ELTChat
2:07 pm InglesInteract: On the 1st class I try to get all sts involved I ask them to interview the other std, then each std tells about the other #eltchat
2:07 pm ShellTerrell: RT @meggoos: For most learners sharing something about yourself as the 'teacher' is a good start. #ELTchat
2:07 pm efl101: @olafelch yes have tried it, sometimes works for partner work - so long as they don't have to speak in front of class #eltchat
2:07 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @efl101: could get them to record things and have a recording conversation instead? #eltchat > That's a nice idea. It might work.
2:07 pm olafelch: The cause of the quietness/shyness is important. Does it stem from the classroom or the external environment? #ELTchat
2:07 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat what other activities can promote the shy students to speak a bit more? use of L1?
2:07 pm JoeMcVeigh: What types of activities work for you with quieter students? #ELTchat
2:08 pm meggoos: Putting in some extra time to have one on one conversations and questions is a strategy I use with young learners #ELTchat
2:08 pm englishraven: RT @meggoos: For most learners sharing something about yourself as the 'teacher' is a good start. #ELTChat
2:08 pm Shaunwilden: Not doing everything in plenary so sts get some thinking time before whole class work might help #ELTChat
2:08 pm olafelch: @efl101 Ok, now I understand. #eltchat
2:08 pm RGriffithJR: Allowing them to participate in ways that are not intimidating, such as through a display project, or other work. #eltchat
2:08 pm olafelch: RT @JoeMcVeigh: What types of activities work for you with quieter students? #ELTchat
2:08 pm esolcourses: RT @efl101: could get them to record things and have a recording conversation instead? #eltchat
2:08 pm gret: @bcnpaul1 Blogging has helped my shy students get involved a lot more in class. They gained confidence. #ELTChat
2:08 pm cecilialcoelho: @rgriffithjr Or are they shy bcause they r new to the group. It refers back to @bcnpaul1's point of finding out why they're shy #ELTChat
2:08 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat sometimes their level is not right and they are afraid to let this show - keep your head down mentality
2:09 pm ShellTerrell: @rgriffithjr I think pairing them with a patient student who is very open to helping another person. Some Ss have no patience #ELTChat
2:09 pm ShellTerrell: RT @gret: Blogging has helped my shy students get involved a lot more in class. They gained confidence. #ELTChat
2:09 pm meggoos: RT @olafelch: The cause of the quietness/shyness is important. Does it stem from the classroom or the external environment? #ELTchat >Exc. ?
2:09 pm englishraven: @cecilialcoelho Yes, trust is key, and it comes slower and harder with shy/quiet students. #ELTChat
2:09 pm RGriffithJR: @gret Agree, but I think that is where it can start, and can slwly build up 2 more. Keeping in mind that growth is slow at times #eltchat
2:09 pm efl101: shy and quiet is okay if thats the sort of person you are, but...think they need to be encouraged to speak at some point? #eltchat
2:09 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: RT @meggoos: For most learners sharing something about yourself as the 'teacher' is a good start. #ELTChat
2:09 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat letting all sts plan what they want to say before they say it is good > I like @englishraven's idea of writing first
2:09 pm bcnpaul1: @gret or setting up a class wiki - helps create group cohesion #ELTChat
2:09 pm olafelch: RT @esolcourses: RT @efl101: could get them to record things and have a recording conversation instead? #eltchat (Like this idea!)
2:10 pm globalCSE: RT @ShellTerrell: For young learners, I find puppets, games, & technology brings them out of their shells #ELTChat
2:10 pm esolcourses: RT @gret: @bcnpaul1 Blogging has helped my shy students get involved a lot more in class. They gained confidence. #ELTChat
2:10 pm estelateacher: RT @olafelch: The cause of the quietness/shyness is important. Does it stem from the classroom or the external environment? #ELTchat
2:10 pm RGriffithJR: @ShellTerrell True. But what if there isn't enough students to make those types of pairs? #eltchat
2:10 pm ShellTerrell: My young learners really like using Avatars such as Vokis #ELTChat
2:10 pm esolcourses: using messaging apps and private chatrooms such as http://tinychat.com/ for discussions can sometimes bring out quieter students. #ELTChat
2:11 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @englishraven: @cecilialcoelho Yes, trust is key, & it comes slower & harder w/ shy/quiet students. #ELTChat >But w/ some work it comes!
2:11 pm olafelch: @meggoos In a school situation the child is often shy because of what's going on outside the classroom - harder to deal with. #ELTchat
2:11 pm ShellTerrell: Sometimes students just need 2 c other students take the 1st step which is why I like global digital collaborations! It motivates! #ELTChat
2:11 pm gret: @RGriffithJR We need to understand all students are different. I agree, growing up is a process. We adults need time, so do Kids! #ELTChat
2:11 pm RGriffithJR: @cecilialcoelho Understood. Do shy students always explain the reason "why"? #eltchat
2:11 pm JoeMcVeigh: Need tasks that are sufficiently interesting and engaging that students stop worrying about making mistakes or embarassing selves. #ELTchat
2:12 pm Shaunwilden: RT @esolcourses: using messaging apps and private chatrooms such as http://tinychat.com/ for discussions can sometimes bring out quieter students. #ELTChat
2:12 pm esolcourses: RT @globalCSE: RT @ShellTerrell: For young learners, I find puppets, games, & technology brings them out of their shells #ELTChat
2:12 pm hoprea: Hello everybody! I'll be following the discussion on #ELTChat and participating occasionally this time. :)
2:12 pm InglesInteract: I try to find out my shy stds likes/dislikes then I ask questions about things they like most #eltchat
2:12 pm englishraven: Interesting to see people's suggestions with technology and writing to overcome shyness... #ELTChat
2:12 pm olafelch: RT @esolcourses: using messaging apps and private chatrooms such as http://tinychat.com/ for discussions can bring out quieter sts. #ELTChat
2:12 pm ShellTerrell: @rgriffithjr I haven't had that problem. Usually I only have a few shy Ss who need this type of pairing #ELTChat
2:13 pm meggoos: Are others using differentiation and providing choices so students can demonstrate what they have been learning? #ELTchat
2:13 pm efl101: @Shaunwilden yes agreed, but need to be careful they are not overlooked because they are shy #eltchat
2:13 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @rgriffithjr: @cecilialcoelho Do shy students always explain the reason "why"? #eltchat > Not all of them...sometimes they just r!
2:13 pm RGriffithJR: @esolcourses Excellent. I used a similar concept this year and really saw growth in some that were shy/reserved. They opened up #eltchat
2:13 pm englishraven: @Shaunwilden Yes, why not give shy/quiet students the benefit of a bit of a silent period? #ELTChat
2:13 pm ShellTerrell: I learn a lot about all my Ss especially shy ones by having them keep a daily journal; gr8 for their writing skills as well #ELTChat
2:13 pm vickyloras: RT @InglesInteract On1st class I try to get all Ss involved.I ask them to interview the other S,then each S tells about the other #eltchat
2:13 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat split the class up into groups and give them different tasks that lead to one final product works well- select appropriate roles
2:13 pm ShellTerrell: RT @InglesInteract: I try to find out my shy stds likes/dislikes then I ask questions about things they like most #eltchat
2:13 pm olafelch: I've often found that quieter students gain confidence through #Moodle. It allows them to learn from mistakes in private. #ELTchat
2:14 pm ShellTerrell: RT @esolcourses: using messaging apps and private chatrooms such as http://tinychat.com/ for discussions can sometimes bring out quieter students. #ELTChat
2:14 pm ShellTerrell: RT @JoeMcVeigh: Need tasks that are sufficiently interesting and engaging that students stop worrying about making mistakes or embarassing selves. #ELTchat
2:14 pm ShellTerrell: @JoeMcVeigh That's a great point! Sometimes we mistaken shyness for lack of enthusiasm ;-) #ELTChat
2:14 pm meggoos: @olafelch I agree-that's when that supportive learning environment is so important. #ELTchat
2:14 pm englishraven: Don't forget your #ELTChat hashtag folks... some comments bouncing off our umbrella here!
2:14 pm olafelch: RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @rgriffithjr: Do shy students always explain the reason "why"? #eltchat > Not all of them...sometimes they just r!
2:15 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat sometimes we give shy sts the benefit of the doubt though and pass them to next level without having a good idea of their level
2:15 pm MmeVeilleux: RT @JoeMcVeigh: Need tasks that are sufficiently interesting and engaging that students stop worrying about making mistakes or embarassing selves. #ELTchat
2:15 pm mattledding: RT @JoeMcVeigh: Need tasks that are sufficiently interesting and engaging that students stop worrying about making mistakes or embarassing selves. #ELTchat
2:15 pm RGriffithJR: RT @olafelch: I've often found that quieter Ss gain confidence through #Moodle. It allows them 2 learn from mistakes in private. #ELTchat
2:15 pm MarkDowe2010: RT @esolcourses: RT @gret: @bcnpaul1 Blogging has helped my shy students get involved a lot more in class. They gained confidence. #ELTChat
2:15 pm englishraven: RT @vickyloras: RT @InglesInteract On1st class I try to get all Ss involved.I ask them to interview the other S,then each S tells about the other #eltchat
2:15 pm ShellTerrell: Good point! How can we ensure this? RT @efl101: need to be careful they are not overlooked because they are shy #eltchat
2:15 pm englishraven: RT @ShellTerrell: I learn a lot about all my Ss especially shy ones by having them keep a daily journal; gr8 for their writing skills as well #ELTChat
2:16 pm estelateacher: RT @JoeMcVeigh: Need tasks that are sufficiently interesting and engaging that students stop worrying about making mistakes or embarassing selves. #ELTchat
2:16 pm RGriffithJR: @bcnpaul1 How true. We still need to engage and challenge them regardless of how introverted they may appear. #eltchat
2:16 pm gret: @olafelch It's amazing what happens when students gain confidence. #ELTChat
2:16 pm hoprea: @englishraven @Shaunwilden Silent periods and time for reflection might do wonders in terms of learning. #ELTChat
2:16 pm ShellTerrell: RT @efl101: shy and quiet is okay if thats the sort of person you are, but...think they need to be encouraged to speak at some point? #eltchat
2:16 pm ShellTerrell: RT @meggoos: RT @olafelch: The cause of the quietness/shyness is important. Does it stem from the classroom or the external environment? #ELTchat >Exc. ?
2:16 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat split the class up into groups and give them diff tasks that lead to 1 final product works well- select approp roles
2:16 pm cecilialcoelho: Writing (paper, blogs, chats) can b a V effective tool 4 shy STs 2 express thmslvs freely (& devlop fluency) w/o feeling threatened #ELTChat
2:16 pm esolcourses: @RGriffithJR same here. I think online discussion can take away some of the fear of "feeling put on the spot" for students #ELTchat
2:16 pm RGriffithJR: RT @gret: @olafelch It's amazing what happens when students gain confidence. #ELTChat
2:16 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat activites need to overcome shyness through age difference - one of my classes last yr had a 12yr old and 16yr olds
2:16 pm gret: @ShellTerrell @efl101 We need to show students we trust them. That will help them gain confidence #ELTChat
2:17 pm mattledding: I think that small group work is helpful for those afraid of speaking in front of class... and structured, turn based tasks help. #ELTChat
2:17 pm InglesInteract: Sometimes I give a song my shy stds like, so they can take part most of the time #eltchat
2:17 pm efl101: Is there a difference bet. a std not willing to speak in frnt of class & std not willing to speak at all - is the first a problem? #eltchat
2:17 pm englishraven: @Shaunwilden @hoprea Yes, I think a key teaching skill... When to nudge, when to wait, when to ask, when to watch... #ELTChat
2:17 pm ShellTerrell: RT @vickyloras: puppets, avatars etc. help transfer their personality 2 sth else & dont feel they're talking directly abt themslvs #eltchat
2:18 pm mattledding: RT @olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat split the class up into groups and give them diff tasks that lead to 1 final product works well- select approp roles
2:18 pm esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell: I learn a lot about all my Ss especially shy ones by having them keep a daily journal; gr8 for their writing skills as well #ELTChat
2:18 pm cecilialcoelho: Some STs, no matter how much) u try 2 draw them out just won't. Is it really that bad? Can't u learn a language well if u r shy? #ELTChat
2:18 pm RGriffithJR: @gret Small gains in confidence are usually reflected in large gains academically, at least in my classes it appears so. #eltchat
2:18 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat activites need to overcome shyness through age difference - one of my classes last yr had a 12yr old and 16yr olds
2:18 pm meggoos: @bcnpaul1 that sounds tricky to me. What did you do to bridge those teenage gaps? #ELTChat
2:18 pm bcnpaul1: @vickyloras @shellterrell good old-fashioned role-play takes the stress away somethimes keep forgetting to put #ELTChat
2:18 pm estelateacher: we have to be careful not to let the more outgoing ones make the shy ones feel even more left/singled out #eltchat
2:18 pm passandr: @olafelch @bcnpaul1 #eltchat A wiki might be an effective way to split students up into groups.
2:18 pm hoprea: RT @cecilialcoelho: Writing (paper, blogs, chats) can b a V effective tool 4 shy STs 2 express thmslvs freely (& devlop fluency) w/o feeling threatened #ELTChat
2:18 pm efl101: @gret yes, trust is key agree 100% #eltchat
2:18 pm RGriffithJR: @esolcourses Do you then see those students open up at a later time once they have gained a little confidence? #eltchat
2:19 pm InglesInteract: RT @gret: @ShellTerrell @efl101 We need to show students we trust them. That will help them gain confidence <<<<< agreed #eltchat
2:19 pm englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: Can't u learn a language well if u r shy? -> I've seen plenty do it! #ELTChat
2:19 pm bcnpaul1: positive comments and encouragement throughout - simple but it works #ELTChat
2:19 pm gret: @RGriffithJR Yes! Baby steps... One small things leads to another... which eventually leads to greater things #ELTChat
2:19 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 @vickyloras I think it depends. I've seen roleplays make shy Ss really uncomfortable. Puts them on the spot #ELTChat
2:19 pm vickyloras: @cecilialcoelho Great point,Cecilia;That way in the beginning they don't have to directly speak abt themselves #ELTChat gradual intro2self
2:19 pm cecilialcoelho: @efl101 I think there is a big diff Andrew, & it's essential 4 the T to be aware of that diff. and provide diff opport. 4 the St #ELTChat
2:19 pm meggoos: RT @englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: Can't u learn a language well if u r shy? -> I've seen plenty do it! >me too! #ELTChat
2:19 pm mattledding: Has anyone else seen shy students change radically via improv games? #ELTChat
2:20 pm olafelch: @efl101 I think the 1st case is a problem - but it can't just be solved in a language class. It needs a concerted approach. #ELTchat
2:20 pm ShellTerrell: Gr8 point! RT @estelateacher: we have to be careful not to let the more outgoing 1s make the shy 1s feel even more singled out #eltchat
2:20 pm RGriffithJR: @mattledding I love the common goal perspective. Working together to achieve. Will have to employ that next time. #eltchat
2:20 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: positive comments and encouragement throughout - simple but it works #ELTChat
2:20 pm ShellTerrell: RT @mattledding: Has anyone else seen shy students change radically via improv games? #ELTChat
2:20 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: Can't u learn a language well if u r shy? -> I've seen plenty do it! #ELTChat >Me too -& fluently too
2:20 pm englishraven: What is emerging here... a battery of other ways of communicating to create confidence, prior to speaking? #ELTChat
2:20 pm gret: @englishraven @ceciliacoelho I'm really shy and learned English. It takes time and understanding. We adults can be shy or quiet too #ELTChat
2:20 pm JoeMcVeigh: RT @gret: @olafelch It's amazing what happens when students gain confidence. #ELTChat -- Yes ! Students need to feel successful.
2:20 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat an adult coursebook, shy 12 year old, lots of older confident sts, is there a responsiblity of schools to look at this to avoid it?
2:20 pm passandr: #ELTchat Things that we are discussing here are not necessarily limited to good ELL teaching. We are talking about great teaching.
2:20 pm efl101: Is correcting shy sts a problem when they speak - correcting v. encouragement, is it best to correct them 121 #eltchat
2:21 pm InglesInteract: RT @bcnpaul1: positive comments and encouragement throughout - simple but it works #eltchat
2:21 pm ShellTerrell: RT @JoeMcVeigh: RT @gret: @olafelch It's amazing what happens when students gain confidence. #ELTChat -- Yes ! Students need to feel successful.
2:21 pm GilMattos: RT @meggoos: For most learners sharing something about yourself as the 'teacher' is a good start. #ELTchat (I always do so)
2:21 pm englishraven: @cecilialcoelho In other words, let's not assume that outgoing/loud is the only characteristic of effective learners! #ELTChat
2:21 pm Shaunwilden: RT @cecilialcoelho: Can't u learn a language well if u r shy? I've seen plenty do it! #ELTChat Me 2 shyness doesnt mean you cant learn
2:21 pm olafelch: Have other people also found that the quiet ones are often technically very good at the subject? They just don't demonstrate it. #ELTchat
2:21 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: positive comments & encouragement throughout - simple but it works #ELTChat > They sure do...feedback & support
2:21 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: What is emerging here... a battery of other ways of communicating to create confidence, prior to speaking? #ELTChat
2:21 pm gret: @InglesInteract @bcnpaul1 yes! lots of praising! It helps a lot! #ELTChat
2:21 pm Shaunwilden: RT @passandr: #ELTchat Things that we are discussing here are not necessarily limited to good ELL teaching. We are talking about great teaching.
2:22 pm InglesInteract: will be back in some minutes #eltchat
2:22 pm ShellTerrell: Gr8 point! RT @englishraven: let's not assume that outgoing/loud is the only characteristic of effective learners! #ELTChat
2:22 pm olafelch: @passandr I worry that using something like a wiki could reinforce the quiet student's role as the "scribe". #eltchat
2:23 pm bcnpaul1: @olafelch yes - often quiet YLs can have ADHD as well but try to keep it hidden #ELTChat
2:23 pm englishraven: @Shaunwilden @cecilialcoelho @gret Right. Shyness shouldn't be seen as a negative or disability. #ELTChat
2:23 pm efl101: @olafelch yes, often - had std last year, hardly said a word but turned out gr8 in exam, just didn't like speaking in groups #eltchat
2:23 pm meggoos: @bcnpaul1 YES, schools should be considering that more than they do. My school takes enrollments no matter what... Admin!#ELTChat
2:23 pm bcnpaul1: RT @ShellTerrell: Gr8 point! RT @englishraven: let's not assume that outgoing/loud is the only characteristic of effective learners! #ELTChat
2:23 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven Exactly! Outgoing/loud get + attention in class (esp. from other STs) bt that's not directly related 2 effective comm #ELTChat
2:23 pm vickyloras: RT @englishraven : @cecilialcoelho In other words,let's not assume outgoing/loud is the only characteristic of effective learners! #ELTChat
2:23 pm esolcourses: @RGriffithJR sometimes... tho I think a lot depends on personality. Some open up more than others once U get them in comfort zone #ELTChat
2:23 pm englishraven: Funny thing is, when shy Ss see you're okay about them being shy, they tend to become much less shy! #ELTChat
2:23 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: @Shaunwilden @cecilialcoelho @gret Right. Shyness shouldn't be seen as a negative or disability. #ELTChat - agree fully
2:24 pm mattledding: I'm getting real-time search results at TweetGrid http://tweetgrid.com/ #eltchat
2:24 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat Silence is great when students are using it to think and process ideas - always have quiet time
2:24 pm gret: RT @englishraven: Funny thing is, when shy Ss see you're okay about them being shy, they tend to become much less shy! #ELTChat
2:24 pm meggoos: @GilMattos Hi, me too and continue to...always a good chance to get students laughing too! #ELTchat
2:24 pm ShellTerrell: Providing Ss w creative choices for tasks helps! My shy Ss excelled gr8ly when they were allowed to do movies, posters, etc #ELTChat
2:24 pm esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell Gr8 point! RT @englishraven: let's not assume that outgoing/loud is the only characteristic of effective learners! #ELTChat
2:24 pm olafelch: @englishraven It's not a disability, but it will certainly have a negative effect in a school setting. #ELTchat
2:24 pm esolcourses: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat Silence is great when students are using it to think and process ideas - always have quiet time
2:24 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C All your students go suddenly shy and quiet on you? :-) #ELTChat
2:24 pm JoeMcVeigh: How to encourage risk-taking on part of students? Let them know that mistakes are acceptable/necessary part of learning? #ELTchat
2:24 pm Marisa_C: @passandr I worry that using something like a wiki could reinforce the quiet student's role as the "scribe". #eltchat - but opp to shine! ?
2:24 pm Shaunwilden: RT @efl101: Is correcting shy sts a problem , is it best to correct them 121 #eltchat Tricky 1 that u might accidently b singling them out
2:24 pm ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @englishraven: Funny thing is, when shy Ss see you're okay about them being shy, they tend to become much less shy! #ELTChat
2:25 pm gret: @englishraven I think it's because they feel trusted and respected. When students feel we trust and respct them. They feel safe. #ELTChat
2:25 pm ShellTerrell: RT @JoeMcVeigh: How to encourage risk-taking on part of students? Let them know that mistakes are acceptable/necessary part of learning? #ELTchat
2:25 pm CateBrubaker: RT @englishraven: My first rule... being shy and quiet is perfectly acceptable in my class, if that's the sort of person you are :-) #ELTChat
2:25 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Providing Ss w creative choices for tasks helps! My shy Ss excelled gr8ly when allowed to do movies, posters, etc #ELTChat
2:25 pm passandr: #ELTchat - why are people shy? I'd argue that shyness is a weakness.
2:25 pm efl101: @passandr not sure, inclined to think not so much - more imp to encourage participation than formal accuracy? #eltchat
2:25 pm gret: @JoeMcVeigh yes! I always tell them on the first day! It's OK to make mistakes and learn from them! #ELTChat
2:25 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @efl101: Is correcting shy sts a problem , is it best to correct them 121 #eltchat Tricky 1 that u might accidently b singling them out
2:25 pm cecilialcoelho: @englishraven Absol. not! It's a persnalty trait. Should b respected. We just have 2 look 4/sugg alternative ways 4 devel orality #ELTChat
2:25 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell So, working "in role" may remove some of the shyness? What do you all think? #ELTChat
2:25 pm englishraven: How many Tchrs out there have seen Ss who were shy in one class, but not another? Group dynamics important? #ELTChat
2:25 pm bcnpaul1: maybe quietness isn't something to 'combat' but to be held up as an example of what is sometimes good #ELTChat
2:26 pm olafelch: @efl101 I've had similar cases - occasionally top exam results leads to confidence to speak more. #eltchat
2:26 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @englishraven: Funny thing is, when shy Ss see you're okay about them being shy, they tend to become much less shy! #ELTChat
2:26 pm ShellTerrell: @starr88 In my experience, yes it does! :-) #ELTChat
2:26 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven they don't usually! :-) not all at the same time anyway #ELTChat - some shy Ss often deep thinkers
2:26 pm ShellTerrell: #ELTChat RT @starr88: wonder if we supplied shy Ss with music, art, tech, or other creative tools, wld they communicate more, better?
2:26 pm gret: @englishraven Group dynamic and how a teacher connects or doesn't connect with her group. Connecting with students is so important! #ELTChat
2:27 pm InglesInteract: RT @englishraven: How many Tchrs out there have seen Ss who were shy in one class, but not another? Group dynamics important? <True #eltchat
2:27 pm efl101: @passandr don't agree shyness is weakness, people are what they are and it takes all sorts. #eltchat
2:27 pm hoprea: @englishraven Group dynamics is very important! There's got to be a sense of security for people to feel comfortable enough to talk #ELTChat
2:27 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: So, working "in role" may remove some of the shyness? What do you all think? #ELTChat Yes I think so
2:27 pm TEFL: Is it #ELTchat right now?
2:27 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Seems I missed @Marisa_C 's prereading for this topic ;-) #ELTChat | None today m fraid...:-( Remiss!!!
2:27 pm Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell working "in role" may remove some of the shyness? What do u think? #ELTChat or add 2 it with the pressure of the 'role' :-)
2:27 pm ShellTerrell: Yes RT @englishraven: How many Tchrs out there have seen Ss who were shy in one class, but not another? Group dynamics important? #ELTChat
2:27 pm RGriffithJR: @JoeMcVeigh Great point about risk-taking. And are we modeling this for our students? Have we shown them it's OK 2 make mistakes #eltchat
2:28 pm englishraven: @olafelch Actually, I don't think any (or many) Ss are truly completely shy. Varies in people by context (like my little boy) #ELTChat
2:28 pm drtimony: Rick LaVoie suggests letting Ss know when you're going to call on them so they can prepare--a signal RT @Shaunwilden RT @efl101 #eltchat
2:28 pm passandr: @bcnpaul1 #ELTchat I'd argue that there is a significant difference between shyness, quietness and silence.
2:28 pm mattledding: I think working in role is v. effective, as are "games" with clear rules. But I think it is a step by step thing. #eltchat
2:28 pm meggoos: @JoeMcVeigh model all those mistakes yourself, I'm a natural at making mistakes! #ELTchat
2:28 pm cecilialcoelho: @olafelch @englishraven If it has neg. effect on school it'll prob have same effect in life. They hve 2 learn strtegies 2 handle it #ELTChat
2:28 pm olafelch: @TEFL Yes. We're talking about quiet and shy students. #ELTchat
2:28 pm timandtammy: Not trying to be insensitive, but some people will have to overcome their shyness if they want to SPEAK English. #ELTChat
2:28 pm gret: @efl101 @passandr I think shyness isn't a weakness. Weakness is being afraid to embrace new opportunities or leave comfortzone #ELTChat
2:28 pm RGriffithJR: RT @passandr: @bcnpaul1 #ELTchat I'd argue that there is a significant difference between shyness, quietness and silence.
2:28 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C I was sort of cheekily trying to relate your school crisis to our current topic... :-) #ELTChat
2:28 pm Marisa_C: I often find that shy Ss blossom if given the 'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them lead an activity; let them be a teacher #ELTchat
2:29 pm ShellTerrell: @englishraven I think it also depends on if the student gels with their teacher. #ELTChat
2:29 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven I know.... #ELTChat
2:29 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: I often find that shy Ss blossom if given the 'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them lead an activity; let them be a teacher #ELTchat
2:29 pm efl101: RT @DrTimony: Rick LaVoie sggests letting Ss know when you're going to call on them so they can prepare--a signal #eltchat interesting idea
2:29 pm englishraven: RT @passandr: @bcnpaul1 #ELTchat I'd argue that there is a significant difference between shyness, quietness and silence.
2:29 pm passandr: @efl101 #eltchat Doesn't shyness necessarily involve some kind of fear. It's not the same as quietness.
2:29 pm bcnpaul1: my son is shy w/ some people but connects w/ others - but there's no rule as to why- it's just a subconscious feeling i think #ELTChat
2:29 pm cecilialcoelho: @bcnpaul1 I certainly don't combat (personality - not situational) shyness in class. Situational shyness should be worked out. #ELTChat
2:29 pm gret: RT @Marisa_C: I often find that shy Ss blossom if given the 'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them lead an activity; let them be a teacher #ELTchat
2:29 pm RGriffithJR: @passandr Our challenge as educators is to recognize and understand the difference, and then act accordingly #eltchat
2:29 pm mattledding: are there cultural differences in shyness? The Spanish aren't too shy. Maybe the Japanese are. #eltchat
2:29 pm olafelch: @cecilialcoelho That's my point exactly - letting it run isn't doing the child any favours. #ELTChat
2:30 pm Shaunwilden: @timandtammy But overcoming shyness and speaking say in front of a class of 20 are different things! #ELTChat
2:30 pm ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I do a lot of team building tasks & have found these help all Ss feel they are working towards group success #ELTchat
2:30 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: I often find that shy Ss blossom if given the 'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them lead an activity; let them be a teacher #ELTchat
2:30 pm InglesInteract: @mattledding It can be a matter of culture too. #eltchat
2:30 pm bcnpaul1: I think trying too hard to get shy sts to communicate is the worse thing we can do #ELTChat
2:30 pm gret: RT @ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I do a lot of team building tasks & have found these help all Ss feel they are working towards group success #ELTchat
2:30 pm esolcourses: another approach is to personalise learning - give shy s's opportunities to talk about things they feel enthusiastic about #ELTChat
2:30 pm mattledding: @Shaunwilden I think that small group speaking is an important first step. #eltchat
2:31 pm JoeMcVeigh: RT @meggoos: @JoeMcVeigh model all those mistakes yourself, I'm a natural at making mistakes! #ELTchat Yes, I'm quite good at that myself !
2:31 pm bcnpaul1: RT @ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I do a lot of team building tasks & have found these help all Ss feel they are working towards group success #ELTchat
2:31 pm ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Even shy or what some may consider lazy Ss will complete the tasks for success of the group #ELTChat
2:31 pm ShellTerrell: RT @esolcourses: another approach is to personalise learning - give shy s's opportunities to talk about things they feel enthusiastic about #ELTChat
2:31 pm passandr: @rgriffithjr I fully agree. Educators must seriously consider the diff. 1 student's shyness may be another's quietness. #eltchat
2:31 pm cecilialcoelho: @bcnpaul1 If it's part of persnlity find other ways 2 use/prctice/dvlop the lang. If u force them they usually quit (or hate it) #ELTChat
2:31 pm Marisa_C: RT @esolcourses: another approach -personalise learning - give shy s's opps to talk about things they feel enthusiastic about #ELTChat
2:31 pm InglesInteract: RT @bcnpaul1: I think trying too hard to get shy sts to communicate is the worse thing we can do <<< I completely agree #eltchat
2:31 pm TEFL: This quiet member finally broke out of her shell. Her first blog. Check out after #ELTchat. Amazing video: http://englishclub.com/s/?GV
2:31 pm ShellTerrell: Does any1 else survey the Ss learning styles & pair & group them according to these results? #ELTChat
2:31 pm Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell Nice idea but can that mean the shy students can hide in the team?#ELTChat
2:32 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @bcnpaul1: I think trying too hard 2 get shy sts 2 communicate is the worse thing we can do #ELTChat >Agree. Makes them + self-conscious
2:32 pm esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I do a lot of team building tasks & have found these help all Ss feel they are working towards group success #ELTchat
2:32 pm Marisa_C: RT @ShellTerrell: Even shy or what some may consider lazy Ss will complete the tasks for success of the group #ELTChat
2:32 pm olafelch: Also experienced incredible quietness in business classes where colleagues are very afraid of making mistakes in front of others. #ELTchat
2:32 pm bcnpaul1: @ShellTerrell hmmm - not always in my experience (strangely with the loud ones. especially if breaktime is around the corner!! #ELTChat
2:32 pm englishraven: @cecilialcoelho Ah, I really like that distinction (shyness differentiated according to personality versus situation) #ELTChat
2:32 pm InglesInteract: @bcnpaul1 maybe the best thing is to get them involved in things they like #eltchat
2:32 pm Shaunwilden: RT @mattledding: I think that small group speaking is an important first step. #eltchat Completely agree, start in pairs then build it up
2:32 pm estelateacher: ive had GR8 feedback from using a lot of pair & group work w/ shy sts. A gd thing 2 do is 2 alws mingle them w/ all the other sts. #eltchat
2:32 pm englishraven: RT @esolcourses: another approach is to personalise learning - give shy s's opportunities to talk about things they feel enthusiastic about #ELTChat
2:32 pm JoeMcVeigh: RT @InglesInteract: It can be a matter of culture too. #eltchat Yes! Must take cultural differences into account esp w/ stud from diff L1s
2:32 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Put all the loud ones in one group - let them shout each other down #ELTChat
2:32 pm olafelch: @englishraven I'm sure the context plays a significant role. #ELTChat
2:33 pm gret: @olafelch I agree. Teacher should be a role model. If we are afraid of making mistakes, so will be our students! #ELTChat
2:33 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: I think trying too hard to get shy sts to communicate is the worse thing we can do -> Or trying too overtly #ELTChat
2:33 pm mattledding: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Put all the loud ones in one group - let them shout each other down #ELTChat #eltchat
2:33 pm Marisa_C: @olafelch AAhhhh... I know that one, esp is mixed hierarchy in groups #ELTchat
2:33 pm ShellTerrell: #ELTChat RT @starr88: Not every S is verbal. We socialize to verbal but for some Ss, it's a discomfort zone. Let's offer comfort zone alts.
2:33 pm efl101: @passandr don't think so some=shy some not, most in middle, just the way people r. As 4 fear r extroverts afraid of being ignored? #eltchat
2:34 pm TEFL: RT @englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: I think trying too hard to get shy sts to communicate is the worse thing we can do -> Or trying too overtly #ELTChat
2:34 pm WomenLearnThai: RT @meggoos: RT @englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: Can't u learn a language well if u r shy? -> I've seen plenty do it! >me too! #ELTChat
2:34 pm bcnpaul1: @InglesInteract Definitely. its something that gets built up during the course- what motivates them and makes them want to learn #ELTChat
2:34 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 Not when I do team building tasks & they stay in same grp most of the year #ELTChat
2:34 pm InglesPraValer: RT @timandtammy: Not trying to be insensitive, but some people will have to overcome their shyness if they want to SPEAK English. #ELTChat
2:34 pm englishraven: RT @TEFL: This quiet member finally broke out of her shell. Her first blog. Check out after #ELTchat. Amazing video: http://englishclub.com/s/?GV
2:34 pm vickyloras: RT @bcnpaul1 maybe quietness isn't something to 'combat' but to be held up as an example of what is sometimes good #ELTChat
2:34 pm olafelch: RT @InglesInteract: @bcnpaul1 maybe the best thing is to get them involved in things they like #eltchat
2:35 pm estelateacher: RT @englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: I think trying 2 hard 2 get shy sts 2 communicate is the worse thing we cn do -> agreed #ELTChat
2:35 pm cecilialcoelho: @olafelch Agree! Having colleagues in same group can b V tricky - business or teens. Makes them more afraid/aware of makng mstks #ELTChat
2:35 pm bcnpaul1: @Marisa_C LOL #ELTChat may try that tomorrow!
2:35 pm TEFL: I was a really shy student in university. Never spoke up. This helped me understand shy students in the classroom. #ELTChat
2:35 pm Shaunwilden: RT @bcnpaul1: I think trying too hard to get shy sts to communicate is the worse thing we can do #ELTChat excellent advise :-)
2:35 pm englishraven: RT @ShellTerrell: #ELTChat RT @starr88: Not every S is verbal. We socialize to verbal but for some Ss, it's a discomfort zone. Let's offer comfort zone alts.
2:36 pm bcnpaul1: @ShellTerrell why do you keep them in the same groups most of the year? #ELTChat
2:36 pm gret: @TEFL I'm reallly shy too! I've always been. It has helped me understand my students and reflect on my teaching #ELTChat
2:36 pm Marisa_C: Drama activities or trust building activities? Has anyone tried them? Often shy Ss don't trust others AND self #ELTchat
2:36 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Put all the loud ones in one group - let them shout each other down #ELTChat > Works 4 me! Sometimes I do this
2:36 pm ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden I think we just have to ensure all Ss completing language tasks #ELTChat
2:36 pm olafelch: Taking the pressure out of the classroom is vital. Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat
2:36 pm Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 It works! #ELTChat
2:36 pm passandr: @efl101 You've got me thinking. #eltchat But, is there a difference between being shy and being quiet all the time?
2:36 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: Drama activities or trust building activities? Has anyone tried them? Often shy Ss don't trust others AND self #ELTchat
2:36 pm meggoos: RT @ShellTerrell: #ELTChat RT @starr88: Not every S is verbal. We socialize to verbal but for some Ss, it's a discomfort zone. Let's offer comfort zone alts.
2:37 pm CallMeMrGibbons: #ELTChat Ss need to feel they are in a safe, respectful classroom environment. i never push Ss early on, until I have developed that.
2:37 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven @ShellTerrell Agree - often learning is associating with being verbal - a lot of learning is silent #ELTChat
2:37 pm esolcourses: @ShellTerrell: RT @starr88 agree wth comfort zone alts in principle - however, in some sitns U need to get s's to produce language #ELTChat
2:37 pm meggoos: @WomenLearnThai Hi, nice to see you here! #ELTChat
2:37 pm englishraven: Also cause of silence... Scared of mistakes? Not interested? Shy personality? Thinking? #ELTChat
2:37 pm olafelch: @Marisa_C Having the boss in the group is always difficult, especially if their very good. #ELTchat
2:37 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 With kids they pick team color, mascot, etc. then work to complete tasks 4 group. I find it builds cohesion & motivation #ELTChat
2:37 pm gret: RT @olafelch: Taking the pressure out of the classroom is vital. Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat
2:37 pm JoeMcVeigh: Sorry, must leave #ELTchat for a meeting. Have fun, all! Beautiful autumn day here in Vermont, USA. Colorful leaves, sun, crisp air. Aah!
2:37 pm olafelch: RT @ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden I think we just have to ensure all Ss completing language tasks #ELTChat
2:38 pm cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C Drama can b effective...hard to get them 2 do it sometimes... #ELTChat (I keep forgetting the hashtag!)
2:38 pm efl101: RT @olafelch: Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat yep mistakes facilitate learning!
2:38 pm Shaunwilden: @ShellTerrell Agreed am just being difficult :-) #ELTChat
2:38 pm estelateacher: RT @olafelch: Taking the pressure out of the classroom is vital. Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat
2:38 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C @ShellTerrell Yes, give them other ways to show #ELTChat
2:38 pm meggoos: RT @olafelch: Taking the pressure out of the classroom is vital. Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat
2:38 pm Shaunwilden: RT @efl101: RT @olafelch: Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat yep mistakes facilitate learning!
2:38 pm esolcourses: RT @olafelch: Taking the pressure out of the classroom is vital. Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat
2:38 pm TEFL: @gret And yet, as you demonstrated on Saturday...give a shy person a topic she is passionate about and boy can she speak! #ELTChat
2:39 pm bcnpaul1: @ShellTerrell I agree it's a great idea but sometimes mixing it up keeps things fresh and creates a more whole class dynamic #ELTChat
2:39 pm vickyloras: Singling out is the worst thing for shy Ss.I've observed many Ts do this-it totally kills self-esteem and learning. #ELTChat
2:39 pm hashtager: # @Marisa_C Drama can b effective...hard to get them 2 do it sometimes... #ELTChat (I keep forgetting the hashtag!)
2:39 pm Marisa_C: @olafelch Have been there... #ELTchat
2:39 pm ShellTerrell: I think we sometimes mistaken silence for shyness RT @englishraven: Also cause of silence, Scared of mistakes? Not interested? #ELTChat
2:39 pm bcnpaul1: RT @TEFL: @gret And yet, as you demonstrated on Saturday...give a shy person a topic she is passionate about and boy can she speak! #ELTChat
2:39 pm englishraven: @bcnpaul1 @vickyloras Yes, sometimes we want those loud, over-extroverted types to learn something from the shy/quiet ones! #ELTChat
2:39 pm ShellTerrell: RT @TEFL: @gret And yet, as you demonstrated on Saturday...give a shy person a topic she is passionate about and boy can she speak! #ELTChat
2:39 pm sevans59: RT @vickyloras: Singling out is the worst thing for shy Ss.I've observed many Ts do this-it totally kills self-esteem and learning. #ELTChat
2:39 pm cecilialcoelho: When they have 2 make presentations is V hard 2 stand in front of all the other so I sometimes sugg they record the preso & play it #ELTChat
2:39 pm ShellTerrell: @Shaunwilden We always need a devil's advocate ;-) #ELTChat
2:39 pm gret: @TEFL Wow, thanks so much! I really appreciate it. I agree. We must leave our fears aside #ELTChat
2:39 pm olafelch: Comfort zones are a good starting point, but at some point we have grasp the nettle - language is for the most part talking. #ELTchat
2:39 pm CallMeMrGibbons: #ELTChat Techn can help too, in class blogs or using a site like Wallwisher or Twitter where EVERYONE has the same space to share thoughts
2:40 pm ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: Taking the pressure out of the classroom is vital. Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat
2:40 pm Shaunwilden: RT @englishraven: cause of silence.Scared ? Not interested? Shy personality? Thinking? #ELTChatGosh all the thgs we have 2 consider :-)
2:40 pm bcnpaul1: RT @olafelch: Taking the pressure out of the classroom is vital. Language learning is one of the few subjects where mistakes are really useful. #ELTchat
2:40 pm Marisa_C: @TEFL Nice comment abt @gret - agree #ELTChat
2:40 pm mattledding: @hashtager think there are steps to get them to do drama. start with little stuff and build up. #eltchat
2:40 pm InglesInteract: I always say on the 1st class that they don't need to be afraid of making mistakes, they are there to learn, so don't be shy :-) #eltchat
2:40 pm esolcourses: RT @TEFL: @gret And yet, as you demonstrated on Saturday...give a shy person a topic she is passionate about and boy can she speak! #ELTChat
2:40 pm efl101: @passandr hmm, hard to say,but i guess quiet is happy to respond if called upon where shy is uncomfortable? #eltchat
2:40 pm cecilialcoelho: It's really important we assure STs it is okay 2 b shy but that they have to find diff non-threatening ways to go around it #ELTChat
2:40 pm englishraven: @vickyloras But it's a tricky balancing act, isn't it? Not singling them out, but not leaving them in the wallpaper... #ELTChat
2:41 pm Marisa_C: I find that some teachers are often TOO afraid of silence and label Ss shy bcz they don't rush to answer #ELTchat
2:41 pm cecilialcoelho: We have 2 respect it but they have 2 be aware of the implications of being shy too... it helps them own their learning process #ELTChat
2:41 pm meggoos: RT @vickyloras: Singling out is the worst thing for shy Ss.I've observed many Ts do this-it totally kills self-esteem and learning. #ELTChat
2:41 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 Maybe with teens? The activities keep it fresh esp when in other classes they mostly do wkshts & write in coursebks #ELTChat
2:41 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: I find that some teachers are often TOO afraid of silence and label Ss shy bcz they don't rush to answer #ELTchat
2:41 pm TEFL: For some people (in general) writing is naturally a stronger skill than speaking. Let them communicate in different ways. #ELTchat
2:41 pm vickyloras: @englishraven Yes,good point,Jason.Can be difficult and challenging- a balancing act as you said! #ELTChat
2:41 pm InglesInteract: be back shortly #eltchat
2:42 pm TEFL: RT @englishraven: @vickyloras But it's a tricky balancing act, isn't it? Not singling them out, but not leaving them in the wallpaper... #ELTChat
2:42 pm englishraven: @Shaunwilden @ShellTerrell Yes, how often have you heard that teacher say "Oh, he's just shy" How do we know it IS shyness? #ELTChat
2:42 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat @englishraven that balancing act is a dimension that makes teaching enjoyable i think
2:42 pm efl101: RT @ShellTerrell: I think we sometimes mistaken silence for shyness #ELTChat Yes! I used 2 be afraid of silence, thought sts were bored ;-)
2:42 pm Marisa_C: RT @InglesInteract: I always say on the 1st class that they don't need to be afraid of making mistakes, :-) #eltchat In face MAKE lots!
2:42 pm englishraven: RT @TEFL: For some people (in general) writing is naturally a stronger skill than speaking. Let them communicate in different ways. #ELTchat
2:42 pm hoprea: Mistakes are important in the classroom, but negative affective feedback might hinder learning immensely. #ELTChat
2:42 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: I find that some teachers are often TOO afraid of silence and label Ss shy bcz they don't rush to answer > so true! #ELTchat
2:42 pm olafelch: A study showed in the 50's that a teacher waited 3 secs for an answer, by the 90's it had increased... to 3.3 secs. #ELTchat
2:42 pm Marisa_C: @InglesInteract I meant "in fact" ... #eltchat
2:42 pm passandr: @englishraven @vickyloras There's a difference between not singling them out and not paying attention to them. 1:1 attention #eltchat
2:42 pm ShellTerrell: Sometimes quiet responses to questions maybe due to our lack of wait time after asking difficult ?s #ELTChat I had 2 learn to b patient
2:42 pm ShellTerrell: RT @TEFL: For some people (in general) writing is naturally a stronger skill than speaking. Let them communicate in different ways. #ELTchat
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Marisa_C: I find that some teachers are often TOO afraid of silence and label Ss shy bcz they don't rush to answer #ELTchat
2:43 pm meggoos: RT @efl101: @passandr hmm, hard to say,but i guess quiet is happy to respond if called upon where shy is uncomfortable? #eltchat > good def.
2:43 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat @englishraven that balancing act is a dimension that makes teaching enjoyable i think > I agree
2:43 pm mattledding: @olafelch think might be a q of better watches than in the 50's #eltchat
2:43 pm olafelch: RT @hoprea: Mistakes are important in the classroom, but negative affective feedback might hinder learning immensely. #ELTChat
2:43 pm karenlow: #eltchat shy is a bit vague - i agree, huge distinction shy, quiet - in a way, Ss are 'acting' as they try on new lang. - drama not for all
2:43 pm vickyloras: @Marisa_C Yes,what's that thing abt being afraid of silence?Up to teacher to fill in the voids and include everybody #ELTChat
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: RT @olafelch: A study showed in the 50's that a teacher waited 3 secs for an answer, by the 90's it had increased... to 3.3 secs. #ELTchat
2:43 pm esolcourses: role playing can sometimes be another good way to bring quiet students out of their shell #ELTChat
2:43 pm efl101: @Marisa_C That used to be me! didn't label them shy, just thought they were bored! #eltchat
2:43 pm bcnpaul1: @ShellTerrell good point! You knew that mentioning coursebooks would work!! #ELTChat
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: RT @passandr: @englishraven @vickyloras There's a difference between not singling them out and not paying attention to them. 1:1 attention #eltchat
2:43 pm englishraven: @passandr I agree, so long as we make sure the 1:1 doesn't end up singling out! #ELTChat
2:43 pm ShellTerrell: @passandr That's a good point! #ELTChat
2:43 pm TEFL: RT @esolcourses: role playing can sometimes be another good way to bring quiet students out of their shell #ELTChat
2:44 pm esolcourses: RT @hoprea: Mistakes are important in the classroom, but negative affective feedback might hinder learning immensely. #ELTChat
2:44 pm estelateacher: y r they so afraid of mkng mstaks?Ive seen tchrs bcome real dictatrs when error correcting.How do u do that in a way ur sts feel ok?#eltchat
2:44 pm englishraven: RT @olafelch: A study showed in the 50's that a teacher waited 3 secs for an answer, by the 90's it had increased... to 3.3 secs. #ELTchat
2:44 pm gret: RT @TEFL: RT @esolcourses: role playing can sometimes be another good way to bring quiet students out of their shell #ELTChat
2:44 pm olafelch: @mattledding LOL! #eltchat
2:44 pm Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell Ooops! great minds and all that! We said the same thing :-) abt waiting time... #ELTChat
2:44 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat the affective side of teaching is just as important as the pedagogy otherwise we'd get robots to teach!
2:44 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 LOL! I should have mentioned I sometimes run around without sneakers as well ;-) That's actually true! No shoes in class #ELTChat
2:44 pm TEFL: @esolcourses Agreed! Many are more interested in this. The fear of "answering wrong" is gone. They get to be a character. #ELTchat
2:45 pm Shaunwilden: RT @efl101: @Marisa_C That used 2 be me! didn't label them shy, just thought they were bored! #eltchat common mistake by teachers isnt it!
2:46 pm englishraven: Mm, yes. Are they shy, or did we make them shy? :-) #ELTChat
2:46 pm Marisa_C: @efl101 It's natural - a shy student often looks bored or noncommittal - defense mechanism #eltchat
2:46 pm ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C Well I did train with a great tutor ;-) #ELTChat
2:46 pm passandr: @englishraven Teachers should have as many 1:1 interactions as possible. Differentiated instruction. Not easy. #eltchat
2:46 pm vickyloras: RT @englishraven : @passandr I agree, so long as we make sure the 1:1 doesn't end up singling out! #ELTChat
2:47 pm gret: RT @ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 LOL! I should have mentioned I sometimes run around without sneakers as well ;-) That's actually true! No shoes in class #ELTChat
2:47 pm meggoos: 5 am start for school here tomorrow- G.night and thank you all for the stimulating discussion :-) #ELTchat
2:47 pm cecilialcoelho: @ShellTerrell @bcnpaul1 Shelly, I think T's body language and relaxed posture can b a gr8 asset 2 make STs feel + comfortable #ELTChat
2:47 pm englishraven: RT @pspoppy: #ELTChat the balance IS the trick. I don't let anyone hide! @ least 1 comment to each kid/each class. We HAVE 2 engage them.
2:47 pm TEFL: Think back to the teachers you didn't love. Were they the ones who made you speak out when you weren't comfortable? #ELTChat
2:47 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Marisa_C: @efl101 It's natural - a shy student often looks bored or noncommittal - defense mechanism #eltchat
2:47 pm cecilialcoelho: @Marisa_C Or worse-sometimes shy STs are labeled "problem" STs... seen it too often, previous Ts r talking about Sts of a group #ELTChat
2:47 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 oops I meant the kiddos don't wear their sneakers in the room #ELTChat It was this way when I began teaching the YL class
2:47 pm efl101: RT @estelateacher: error correcting.How do u do that in a way ur sts feel ok?#eltchat tchrs manner = so imp. but difficult to train
2:47 pm timandtammy: @meggoos @Shaunwilden public speaking is one thing; speaking up (without being afraid of making mistakes), that's another thing #ELTChat
2:47 pm Shaunwilden: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat the affective side of teaching is just as important as the pedagogy otherwise we'd get robots to teach!
2:48 pm olafelch: @vickyloras Silence can be good, but I've got a class that use it as a weapon. It develops into a game of chicken. #ELTChat
2:48 pm ShellTerrell: RT @TEFL: Think back to the teachers you didn't love. Were they the ones who made you speak out when you weren't comfortable? #ELTChat
2:48 pm englishraven: @passandr @vickyloras Right. Easier to do 1:1 if the rest of the class is busy with something (oral) #ELTChat
2:48 pm mrscbjackson: RT @Marisa_C: I often find that shy Ss blossom if given the 'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them lead an activity; let them be a teacher #ELTchat
2:48 pm mattledding: RT @TEFL: Think back to the teachers you didn't love. Were they the ones who made you speak out when u wrn't comfortable? #ELTChat #eltchat
2:48 pm ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @cecilialcoelho: I think T's body language and relaxed posture can b a gr8 asset 2 make STs feel + comfortable #ELTChat
2:49 pm ShellTerrell: @cecilialcoelho @bcnpaul1 Definitely a stressed teacher doesn't make any student feel comfortable #ELTChat
2:49 pm englishraven: But let's not forget the importance of the 'nudge', or the friendly shove into the deep end... in some cases. #ELTChat
2:49 pm Shaunwilden: RT @englishraven: Mm, yes. Are they shy, or did we make them shy? :-) #ELTChat By asking inappropriate questions we think will personalize
2:49 pm cecilialcoelho: Making them understand making mistakes is ok & actually teaches us is essential. how do you do it? #ELTChat
2:49 pm olafelch: RT @timandtammy: public speaking is one thing; speaking up (without being afraid of making mistakes), that's another thing #ELTChat
2:49 pm englishraven: RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @cecilialcoelho: I think T's body language and relaxed posture can b a gr8 asset 2 make STs feel + comfortable #ELTChat
2:49 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 When I taught teens (ELLs) in US I had a few who hated wearing shoes in class ;-) #ELTChat
2:50 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat I'm not shy - just afraid of getting found in this classroom by my boss!!!
2:50 pm mattledding: RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @cecilialcoelho: T's b language & relaxed posture a gr8 asset 2 make STs f+ comfortable #ELTChat #eltchat
2:50 pm olafelch: RT @ShellTerrell: @cecilialcoelho @bcnpaul1 Definitely a stressed teacher doesn't make any student feel comfortable #ELTChat
2:50 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat the affective side of teaching is just as important as the pedagogy otherwise we'd get robots to teach!
2:50 pm vickyloras: @olafelch Yes,it can be.Just that some Ts are terrified of it and end up pressuring Ss to speak. #ELTChat
2:50 pm mrscbjackson: RT @ShellTerrell: Sometimes students just need 2 c other students take the 1st step which is why I like global digital collaborations! It motivates! #ELTChat
2:50 pm ShellTerrell: RT @englishraven: But let's not forget the importance of the 'nudge', or the friendly shove into the deep end... in some cases. #ELTChat
2:50 pm cecilialcoelho: @ShellTerrell @bcnpaul1 Or a V formal "I'm the owner of all knowledge" Teacher... It scares & makes them afraid of making mistakes #ELTChat
2:51 pm englishraven: RT @olafelch: RT @ShellTerrell: @cecilialcoelho @bcnpaul1 Definitely a stressed teacher doesn't make any student feel comfortable #ELTChat
2:51 pm Shaunwilden: @timandtammy Agreed.but teachers forget that speaking to whole class is nerve wracking +needs the right factors 4 confidence #ELTChat
2:51 pm jheil65: @cecilialcoelho model correctness. . focus on fluency over accuracy. #eltchat
2:51 pm estelateacher: I also try to stablsh a gd atmosphere with my sts outside the clsroom.This helps breaktheice and increases their confidence in cls.#eltchat
2:51 pm ShellTerrell: @bcnpaul1 I thought you were the boss ;-) #ELTChat
2:51 pm passandr: #ELTCHAT G2G. But just so you know, I run a small organization that does curriculum development. www.pass-ed.com.
2:51 pm efl101: RT @passandr: as many 1:1 interactions as poss Differentiated instruction. Not easy. #eltchat tru had class of 50sts once 121 impossible
2:51 pm TEFL: I think a lot of shy ss have a fear of being called on when they don't know the answer. Take that fear away. #ELTchat
2:51 pm bcnpaul1: @shellterrell @ceciliacoelho sitting down makes a big difference - it shows you're available and relaxed #ELTChat
2:52 pm mattledding: also putting your head at their head level (crouching by their desk, and speaking to them helps. #eltchat
2:52 pm esolcourses: RT @englishraven: But let's not forget the importance of the 'nudge', or the friendly shove into the deep end... in some cases. #ELTChat
2:52 pm englishraven: RT @TEFL: I think a lot of shy ss have a fear of being called on when they don't know the answer. Take that fear away. #ELTchat >wisdom!
2:52 pm evab2001: just arrived, can sb tell me what we r talking about #eltchat
2:52 pm gret: RT @TEFL: I think a lot of shy ss have a fear of being called on when they don't know the answer. Take that fear away. #ELTchat #ELTChat
2:52 pm olafelch: @vickyloras In my case I'm usually the one to crack and I start speaking. ;o( #ELTChat
2:52 pm vickyloras: RT @Marisa_C I often find shy Ss blossom if given'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them lead an activity;let them be a T #ELTchat >>Love this!
2:52 pm englishraven: @TEFL But also don't make it a condition they get too used to... #ELTChat
2:53 pm Marisa_C: @TEFL But have seen Ts pick on shy Ss to answer FIRST! #ELTchat
2:53 pm esolcourses: RT @TEFL: I think a lot of shy ss have a fear of being called on when they don't know the answer. Take that fear away. #ELTchat
2:53 pm gret: RT @vickyloras: RT @Marisa_C I often find shy Ss blossom if given'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them lead an activity;let them be a T #ELTchat >>Love this!
2:53 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: @shellterrell @ceciliacoelho sitting down makes a big difference - it shows you're available and relaxed #ELTChat
2:53 pm GilMattos: RT @Marisa_C: I find that some teachers are often TOO afraid of silence and label Ss shy bcz they don't rush to answer #ELTchat (perfect)
2:53 pm TEFL: Instead call on shy ss when there is no wrong answer, such as opinion questions. Everyone has an opinion on certain topics. #ELTChat
2:53 pm bcnpaul1: @ShellTerrell LOL - not the big boss!! just the one who (hopefully) helps with teacher dev. #ELTChat
2:53 pm englishraven: RT @mattledding: also putting your head at their head level (crouching by their desk, and speaking to them helps. #eltchat
2:53 pm olafelch: RT @TEFL: I think a lot of shy ss have a fear of being called on when they don't know the answer. Take that fear away. #ELTchat (v true)
2:53 pm ShellTerrell: @evab2001 Helping shy students in class #ELTChat
2:54 pm bcnpaul1: RT @englishraven: RT @TEFL: I think a lot of shy ss have a fear of being called on when they don't know the answer. Take that fear away. #ELTchat >wisdom!
2:54 pm ShellTerrell: Agree RT @mattledding: also putting your head at their head level (crouching by their desk, and speaking to them helps. #eltchat
2:54 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @jheil65: fluency over accuracy #eltchat > Yes! & I've found STs really open up 2 u if u give feedback on content rather than accuracy
2:54 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: @TEFL But have seen Ts pick on shy Ss to answer FIRST! #ELTchat well invite not pick on :-)
2:54 pm evab2001: @ShellTerrell Thnx Shelly #eltchat
2:54 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: @TEFL But have seen Ts pick on shy Ss to answer FIRST! #ELTchat > That is awful!!! Talk about putting them on the spotlight!
2:54 pm bcnpaul1: #ELTChat NEVER single out students for an answer (unless they're the loud ones)
2:54 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @TEFL: Instead call on shy ss when there is no wrong answer, such as opinion questions. Everyone has an opinion on certain topics. #ELTChat
2:54 pm esolcourses: RT @vickyloras: RT @Marisa_C I often find shy Ss blossom if given'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them lead an activity;let them be a T #ELTchat >>Love this!
2:54 pm timandtammy: @Shaunwilden True. We need to be aware of that. I agree. #ELTChat
2:55 pm olafelch: @TEFL But very often the kids see a language mistake as being the biggest fear. #ELTchat
2:55 pm englishraven: Overcoming shyness is a step the student has to take, when ready, but we just facilitate or wait for... :-) #ELTChat
2:55 pm bcnpaul1: RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @jheil65: fluency over accuracy #eltchat > Yes! & I've found STs really open up 2 u if u give feedback on content rather than accuracy
2:55 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @mattledding: also putting yr head at their head level (crouching by their desk) helps. #eltchat > Always do that -V effective.
2:55 pm gret: @Shaunwilden I sometimes pick shy students when I'm sure they know the answer. It helps them feel safer and keep participating #ELTChat
2:55 pm mattledding: RT @cecilialcoelho: RT @jheil65: #eltchat > Yes! STs really open up 2 u if u give feedback on content not accuracy
2:55 pm evab2001: RT @ShellTerrell Agree RT @mattledding:also putting ur head @ their head level(crouching by their desk, and speaking to them helps. #eltchat
2:55 pm Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden So, know thy class well; know thy Ss and do unto them as u would have done unto you? #ELTchat
2:55 pm TEFL: RT @Marisa_C
I often find that shy Ss blossom if given the 'mantle of the expert" e.g. let them be a teacher #ELTchat Worked 4 me!
2:56 pm timandtammy: #ELTChat Gotta go. Going off to teach a not-so-shy student. :)
2:56 pm bcnpaul1: RT @gret: @Shaunwilden I sometimes pick shy students when I'm sure they know the answer. It helps them feel safer and keep participating #ELTChat
2:56 pm olafelch: RT @bcnpaul1: #ELTChat NEVER single out students for an answer (unless they're the loud ones) -> Good tactic!
2:56 pm jheil65: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @TEFL why not let kids discuss in pairs first, then share w/class #eltchat take focus off teacher/stage
2:56 pm TEFL: RT @gret: @Shaunwilden I sometimes pick shy students when I'm sure they know the answer. It helps them feel safer and keep participating #ELTChat
2:56 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: So, know thy class well; know thy Ss and do unto them as u would have done unto you? #ELTchat sound about right to me :-)
2:57 pm evab2001: I tend to write small encouraging notes while correcting their writings & thank them 4 trying 2 do theie best #eltchat
2:57 pm englishraven: @olafelch @TEFL Yes, so I think making mistakes okay/natural/good in class is of huge importance for shy students #ELTChat
2:57 pm cecilialcoelho: Talking 2 them in the same eye level is yet another example of how body language & posture is important 2 help STs feel comfortable #ELTChat
2:57 pm olafelch: RT @gret: @Shaunwilden I smtimes pick shy sts when I'm sure they know the answer. It helps them feel safer and keep participating #ELTChat
2:57 pm InglesInteract: Thanks for the great chat, unfortunately I must go,will read the transcripts later #eltchat
2:57 pm estelateacher: RT @englishraven: Overcoming shyness is a step the student has 2 take, when ready, but we just facilitate or wait 4... :-) #ELTChat
2:57 pm tbbrwn: Creating a supportive environ for Ss to fall/leap/be shoved into their un-comfort zone is key. "this ain't so bad" feeling follows #ELTChat
2:57 pm mattledding: What about singling everyone out, like telling a story one word at a time? #eltchat
2:57 pm Smichael920: RT @olafelch: A study showed in the 50's that a teacher waited 3 secs for an answer, by the 90's it had increased... to 3.3 secs. #ELTchat
2:57 pm motherchina: Hi All! #ELTchat
2:57 pm Shaunwilden: RT @gret: I sometimes pick shy students when I'm sure they know the answer. It helps them feel safer + keep participating #ELTChat so do I
2:57 pm ShellTerrell: RT @jheil65: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @TEFL why not let kids discuss in pairs first, then share w/class #eltchat take focus off teacher/stage
2:57 pm englishraven: RT @tbbrwn: Creating a supportive environ for Ss to fall/leap/be shoved into their un-comfort zone is key. "this ain't so bad" feeling follows #ELTChat
2:58 pm bcnpaul1: Seems that everyone is pretty aware of how to work with shy students - some really great advice. Thx #ELTChat
2:58 pm evab2001: @gret yep I do it too, they feel more secure themn #eltchat
2:58 pm esolcourses: RT @gret: @Shaunwilden I sometimes pick shy students when I'm sure they know the answer. Helps them feel safer & keep participating #ELTChat
2:58 pm evab2001: RT @gret: @Shaunwilden I sometimes pick shy students when I'm sure they know the answer. It helps them feel safer and keep participating #ELTChat
2:58 pm olafelch: I often give a mini lecture at the beginning of a course where I explain how important mistakes are in the learning process. #ELTchat
2:58 pm Shaunwilden: I have no problem with picking sts I just dont like the term pick on it has negative connotations! #ELTChat
2:58 pm evab2001: RT @olafelch: A study showed in the 50's that a teacher waited 3 secs for an answer, by the 90's it had increased... to 3.3 secs. #ELTchat
2:58 pm Marisa_C: Pair/grou decisions may work at times; helps shy S 'hide' behind collaboration #ELTchat
2:58 pm TEFL: @englishraven It's kind of like getting kids to eat their vegetables. My Grandma doesn't believe I eat them now. #ELTChat
2:58 pm evab2001: @olafelch so nothing has really changed #eltchat
2:59 pm cecilialcoelho: I sometimes encourage by giving immediate enthusiastic posit feedback 4 smthg they add 2 discussion ("what an excellent point! etc) #ELTChat
2:59 pm mattledding: @bcnpaul1 and thx for setting the stage with that first s centered comment #eltchat
2:59 pm Marisa_C: @jheil65 you were in my mind? #eltchat
2:59 pm olafelch: RT @Shaunwilden: I have no problem with picking sts I just dont like the term pick on it has negative connotations! #ELTChat (nominate?)
2:59 pm englishraven: RT @TEFL: It's kind of like getting kids to eat their vegetables. My Grandma doesn't believe I eat them now. #ELTChat >LOL!
2:59 pm TEFL: RT @jheil65: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @TEFL why not let kids discuss in pairs first, then share w/class #eltchat take focus off teacher/stage
2:59 pm esolcourses: @olafelch @gret @Shaunwilden just good classroom management, basically. If yr circulating, then U shld know which s's know answers #ELTChat
2:59 pm motherchina: eye level that's good. I also walk around the classroom and try to reach out to them #ELTchat
2:59 pm gret: @olafelch I always make sure they know how important mistakes are. If I make one, I make sure they realize. They love it! #ELTChat
3:00 pm Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: I have no problem with picking sts I just dont like the term pick on it has negative connotations! #ELTChat > intentional
3:00 pm gret: @esolcourses yes! circulating helps a lot! #ELTChat
3:00 pm Shaunwilden: @olafelch Yes nominate, invite are better words I think esp when training new teachers #ELTChat
3:00 pm ShellTerrell: Thanks all 4 a gr8 #ELTChat See u at 9pm London time Topic: How can we measure improvemt in speaking? Are current exams a reliable benchmk?
3:00 pm evab2001: @olafelch well sometimes it's difficult 2 control the more enthusiastic and outgoing ones #eltchat
3:00 pm evab2001: RT @olafelch: I often give a mini lecture at the beginning of a course where I explain how important mistakes are in the learning process. #ELTchat
3:00 pm olafelch: @evab2001 I've seen this presented in teacher training courses. the participants all go into denial! #ELTchat
3:01 pm motherchina: Taiwanese students are often labeled as shy students- they're not; they're just afraid of making mistakes in front of everybody #ELTchat
3:01 pm olafelch: @Shaunwilden Invite is much better. #ELTChat
3:01 pm Shaunwilden: RT @esolcourses: just good classroom management, If yr circulating, then U shld know which s's know answers #ELTChat Wise words, Sue :-)
3:01 pm englishraven: Well, lots of great ideas there. That rounds out the first #ELTChat for today! Thx great mods, and to all the wonderful participants!
3:01 pm evab2001: RT @estelateacher: RT @englishraven: Overcoming shyness is a step the student has 2 take, when ready, but we just facilitate or wait 4... :-) #ELTChat
3:01 pm ShellTerrell: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @esolcourses: just good classroom management, If yr circulating, then U shld know which s's know answers #ELTChat Wise words, Sue :-)
3:01 pm bcnpaul1: that's it isn't it- gd classroom management, awareness of the ss and a variety of motivating activities (and a good coursebo...!?) #ELTChat
3:01 pm englishraven: RT @ShellTerrell: Thanks all 4 a gr8 #ELTChat See u at 9pm London time Topic: How can we measure improvemt in speaking? Are current exams a reliable benchmk?
3:02 pm ShellTerrell: RT @motherchina: eye level that's good. I also walk around the classroom and try to reach out to them #ELTchat
3:02 pm cecilialcoelho: When they r disc./working in groups/pairs I sit w/ them & try 2 participate. Somtims I ask a shy ST to fill me in what they r doing #ELTChat
3:02 pm esolcourses: RT @Shaunwilden: I have no problem with picking sts, just dont like the term #ELTChat ] agree - 'nominating' instead is perhaps better?
3:02 pm evab2001: @estelateacher @englishraven: agree with all my heart #eltchat
3:02 pm TEFL: What about gender? I always felt more comfortable with female teachers for some reason. Do male teachers have this problem? #ELTChat
3:02 pm gret: Thanks for this amazing #ELTChat! I loved it!
3:02 pm bcnpaul1: @englishraven thx for another great #ELTChat
3:02 pm Marisa_C: Aahh! That looks like a wrap up for this latest #ELTchat... Thank you all for participating and see you this PM with another great topic
3:03 pm motherchina: on enthusiastic students, I usually say 'what do others think?', to invite other Ss to join in the discussion #ELTchat
3:03 pm BeckfieldEDU: RT @esolcourses: RT @gret: @Shaunwilden I sometimes pick shy students when I'm sure they know the answer. Helps them feel safer & keep participating #ELTChat
3:03 pm olafelch: @CallMeMrGibbons Agree, but it's not obvious to a lot of tchrs that there are a lot more in a language class than say in geography. #ELTchat
3:03 pm cecilialcoelho: Already????? It went so fast today!!! #ELTChat
3:03 pm evab2001: @olafelch I sometimes catch myself doing so (unfortunately) #eltchat
3:03 pm englishraven: This raven is about to limp in exhaustion over to its nest; goodnight to you all and thanks for another great #ELTChat
3:03 pm gret: @cecilialcoelho I know! Time flies when you're having a great time! #ELTChat
3:03 pm Shaunwilden: RT @cecilialcoelho: Already????? It went so fast today!!! #ELTChat I know where did that hour go :-) !
3:04 pm TEFL: Great #ELTChat. Sorry I got caught up celebrating with the miners and missed the beginning. Amazing day for Chile and the world.
3:04 pm cecilialcoelho: I'm going to have to change my schedule next semester so I can take part on both chats ;-) Immensely enjoy this sharing #ELTChat
3:04 pm mattledding: thx all #eltchat
3:04 pm vickyloras: Amazing #ELTChat !So many ideas - thank you so much to everyone!

 

 

 

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