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Transcript from September 15, 2010 - The first #ELTchat

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2:00 pm Marisa_C: Let's start #ELTchat!!!!
2:01 pm cybraryman1: I always told my students that learning takes place everywhere. #ELTchat
2:01 pm Marisa_C: RT @NoelineL: Join the #ELTchat discussion NOW~
2:01 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C Go get 'em tiger! #ELTChat
2:01 pm tarabenwell: @Marisa_C ready #ELTchat
2:01 pm rliberni: RT @esolcourses: RT @englishraven: RT @olafelch: If you're new to Twitter chats, try TweetGrid.http://bit.ly/bzrfyf #eltchat
2:02 pm olafelch: And welcome from me too. #ELTchat So, is there one killer tip for getting sts to practice out of class?
2:02 pm Marisa_C: Why is it important to get learners to practise outside tha classroom? #ELTchat
2:02 pm rliberni: For one hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - how to best motivate Ss to practise their English outside the classroom #eltchat
2:02 pm rliberni: RT @cybraryman1: I always told my students that learning takes place everywhere. #ELTchat#eltchat
2:02 pm englishraven: Rightio! My first recommendation is to make sure we're giving Ls appetizers and desserts - not leftovers for outside class work #ELTChat
2:03 pm Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: RT @cybraryman1: I always told my students that learning takes place everywhere. #ELTchat
2:04 pm rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets #eltchat
2:04 pm Marisa_C: Moderating this #ELTchat @olafelch @riberni @englishraven and @Marisa_C
2:05 pm englishraven: RT @rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets -> Oooh, so agree with that! #eltchat
2:05 pm Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets #eltchat
2:05 pm efl101: no gap-fills, no comp questions etc - reading/watching for fun - music lyrics etc. ie what interests them beyond learning english #eltchat
2:05 pm chriscattaneo: RT @rliberni: RT @cybraryman1: I always told my students that learning takes place everywhere. #ELTchat #eltchat
2:05 pm tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat
2:05 pm rliberni: I think students should 'carry round' their learning and be able to self-manage this #eltchat
2:05 pm olafelch: @rliberni Online is great but the students need more careful guidance. Online is a big place and they can get overwhelmed. #eltchat
2:05 pm DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Because however much time they have in class, it's never enough! #eltchat
2:05 pm cerirhiannon: @englishraven so what are the leftovers in your book? #ELTchat
2:05 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets #eltchat
2:05 pm meggoos: @Marisa_C Most of my students don't have any English speaking opportunities outside of school.. #ELTchat
2:06 pm rliberni: RT @tarabenwell: Agreed! Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat#eltchat
2:06 pm olafelch: RT @rliberni: I think students should 'carry round' their learning and be able to self-manage this #eltchat
2:06 pm motherchina: RT @meggoos: @Marisa_C Most of my students don't have any English speaking opportunities outside of school.. #ELTchat
2:06 pm Marisa_C: RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Because however much time they have in class, it's never enough! #eltchat
2:06 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets #eltchat agree
2:06 pm Marisa_C: RT @tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat - I like this idea
2:07 pm chriscattaneo: @efl101 Yes, enjoying something in L2 and sharing that is key. #ELTchat
2:07 pm kalinagoenglish: What I've noted is that learners need consistent suggestions of what they can do by themselves in own time #ELTchat
2:07 pm esolcourses: Getting students blogging can be a good way of motivating them to work on their English between lessons #ELTchat
2:07 pm Marisa_C: RT @meggoos: @Marisa_C Most of my students don't have any English speaking opportunities outside of school.. #ELTchat
2:07 pm chriscattaneo: RT @tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat Good idea!
2:07 pm englishraven: @cerirhiannon Leftovers = undesirable bits and pieces not finished in class #ELTChat
2:07 pm cybraryman1: How I taught Consumerism (I took students to local store): http://bit.ly/8AG5rE #ELTchat
2:08 pm tarabenwell: RT @kalinagoenglish: What I've noted is that learners need consistent suggestions of what they can do by themselves in own time #ELTchat
2:08 pm kalinagoenglish: It isn't enough to say "here is this program/website/book" but to check up on the follow-through and give new tips #ELTchat
2:08 pm englishraven: RT @esolcourses: important to set work that fits what ind. students want/need. *1 size fits all* hmwk approach isn't motivational #ELTChat
2:08 pm Marisa_C: #ELTchat Because all teaching aims to free the learner from the teacher!
2:08 pm LukeMeddings: RT @kalinagoenglish: What I've noted is that learners need consistent suggestions of what they can do by themselves in own time #ELTchat
2:08 pm DaveDodgson: How can we create opportunities for students to use their English outside of class? #eltchat
2:08 pm rliberni: RT @kalinagoenglish: What I've noted is that lnrs need consistent suggestions of what they can do by themselves in own time #eltchat
2:08 pm esolcourses: encouraging learners who don't have access to PCs to keep a journal, is another option #ELTchat
2:08 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @chriscattaneo: RT @tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat Good idea! very nice idea!
2:08 pm rliberni: RT @cybraryman1: How I taught Consumerism (I took students to local store): http://bit.ly/8AG5rE#ELTchat #eltchat
2:08 pm tarabenwell: @kalinagoenglish Exactly! This is why I'm working on "weekly", "monthly" challenges. They can make their own too. #ELTchat
2:09 pm olafelch: @rliberni Culture is the key. Getting them to learn in the right culture is easy. Establishing the culture is the tough bit. #eltchat
2:09 pm chriscattaneo: @motherchina @meggoos @Marisa_C. Then online opportunities are really important #eltchat
2:09 pm BloggersELT: RT @esolcourses: Getting students blogging can be a good way of motivating them to work on their English between lessons #ELTchat >>agree
2:09 pm tarabenwell: RT @esolcourses: encouraging learners who don't have access to PCs to keep a journal, is another option #ELTchat
2:09 pm englishraven: RT @cybraryman1: taught Consumerism (I took students to local store): http://bit.ly/8AG5rE -> But was that in EFL or ESL context? #ELTchat
2:09 pm englishraven: RT @efl101: should do little and often 20mins a day better than 5 hours on Sunday evening #eltchat
2:09 pm rliberni: @cybraryman1 I used to get my stds to create opportunities - asking questions in shops etc.. #eltchat
2:10 pm tarabenwell: @esolcourses Before the Internet was so big I used to recommend address books for keeping personal dictionaries and notes. #ELTchat
2:10 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: RT @efl101: should do little and often 20mins a day better than 5 hours on Sunday evening #eltchat
2:10 pm olafelch: RT @DaveDodgson: How can we create opportunities 4 students to use their English outside of class? #eltchat (Hard in non-Eng speaking land)
2:10 pm motherchina: in online environments, we could use the tools that they are alreay using outside the classroom #ELTchat
2:10 pm Marisa_C: RT @BloggersELT: RT @esolcourses: Getting students blogging a good way of motivating them to work on their English between lessons #ELTchat
2:10 pm cerirhiannon: RT @englishraven: RT @esolcourses: *1 size fits all* hmwk approach isn't motivational #ELTChat < suggestions imp as guidance and choices 2
2:10 pm kalinagoenglish: @chriscattaneo @efl101 #ELTchat key is tap into what they already love doing/learning in their own L1s
2:10 pm rliberni: @englishraven I agree even 5 minutes! #eltchat
2:10 pm Britsmiles: RT @Britsmiles: Has to be a meaningful experience outside the classroom as well as inside £ELTChat ooops #ELTChat
2:10 pm englishraven: RT @tarabenwell: Before the Internet was so big I used to recommend address books for keeping personal dictionaries and notes. #ELTchat
2:11 pm tarabenwell: RT @kalinagoenglish: @chriscattaneo @efl101 #ELTchat key is tap into what they already love doing/learning in their own L1s
2:11 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: RT @efl101: should do little and often 20mins a day better than 5 hours on Sunday evening #eltchat
2:11 pm efl101: @esolcourses yep, agree, should it be checked though? #eltchat
2:11 pm motherchina: @ Jason right, we shld differentiate ESL from EFL context #ELTchat
2:11 pm cybraryman1: @englishraven Did you see the links to Shopping Lessons & Shopping Vocabulary?http://bit.ly/8AG5rE #ELTchat
2:11 pm olafelch: RT @motherchina: in online environments, we could use the tools that they are alreay using outside the classroom #ELTchat (Tell us more)
2:12 pm cerirhiannon: RT @cerirhiannon: giving recognition in class - sharing resources between ss helps motivate too #ELTchat
2:12 pm esolcourses: @olafelch I don't tend to use the "H" word with s's either - usually present it as follow on exercises and/or prep for next week #ELTchat
2:12 pm englishraven: @kalinagoenglish @tarabenwell blogs or paper-based journals are great for homing in on Ss' personal interests #ELTChat
2:12 pm Marisa_C: RT @tarabenwell: RT @kalinagoenglish: @chriscattaneo @efl101 #ELTchat key is tap into what they already love doing/learning in their own L1s
2:13 pm cybraryman1: @englishraven Any field trip can be adapted to the group and needs of the students you give the experience to. #ELTchat
2:13 pm motherchina: Most of my students are already using FB, networking with them then is easier than creating an entirely new social platform #ELTchat
2:13 pm esolcourses: @efl101 I think if you are setting online exercises then you should select ones that have feedback built in... #ELTchat
2:13 pm DaveDodgson: one problem is, some students see English as 'work' & don't want it encroaching on their free time! #eltchat
2:13 pm rliberni: RT @LukeMeddings: Persistence is key-building good habits.Rewarding modest return & encouraging more.Trying again.Smiling! #eltchat
2:13 pm tarabenwell: @englishraven Yes! And on MyEC learners are creating their own groups based on personal interests such as cooking, anime, POETRY #ELTchat
2:14 pm rliberni: RT @DaveDodgson: one problem is, some students see English as 'work' & don't want it encroaching on their free time! Good pt! #eltchat
2:14 pm efl101: @englishraven should the journals be checked do you think? #eltchat
2:14 pm englishraven: @cybraryman1 Was interested in your example (going to the store), because I have done that in EFL contexts #ELTChat
2:14 pm Shaunwilden: RT @DaveDodgson: one problem is, some students see English as 'work' & don't want it encroaching on their free time! #eltchat
2:14 pm esolcourses: @BloggersELT: Not every ss wants to sit around in front computer ] agreed - which is why we should give students options #ELTchat
2:14 pm Marisa_C: @DaveDodgson So if the "H" worod spells work then some motivation is needed @esolcourses#eltchat #ELTchat
2:15 pm BloggersELT: RT @tarabenwell: @englishraven Yes! And on MyEC learners r creating own groups based on personal interests such as cooking, anime #ELTchat
2:15 pm cerirhiannon: @DaveDodgson maybe help them find ways to use "dead time" instead? ipod on the bus7jogging, guided reader on the train ... #ELTchat
2:15 pm olafelch: @DaveDodgson Is this an issue of creating a work-ethic? #eltchat
2:15 pm chriscattaneo: RT @cerirhiannon: RT @cerirhiannon: giving recognition in class - sharing resources between ss helps motivate too #ELTchat
2:15 pm vbenevolofranca: @esolcourses Don´t think problem lies w/ the "H" word, rather it´s what we ask them to do. Has to be meaningful or serve a purpose. #ELTChat
2:15 pm englishraven: @tarabenwell The MyEC is a great resource/platform for out of class activity - can you give us a nice link? :-) #ELTChat
2:15 pm tarabenwell: @efl101 Sometimes we need to just let them practise. #ELTchat
2:16 pm rliberni: RT @olafelch: @DaveDodgson Is this an issue of creating a work-ethic? #eltchat
2:16 pm Shaunwilden: @bcnpaul1 Using Jing like that works really well #eltchat
2:16 pm englishraven: @efl101 I think journal 'checking' should be negotiated between T and individual Ss... #ELTChat
2:16 pm kalinagoenglish: @cerirhiannon @DaveDodgson .not sure about the idea of using "dead-time" it generally seems to work for only a few weeks #ELTchat
2:16 pm bcnpaul1: get 'em to email writing- use jing to mark it & email back to 'em. they listen, change it & send it back- all done b4 nxt class #ELTChat
2:16 pm meggoos: Is anyone teaching elementary school ESL students? How do you promote learning outside of school? #eltchat
2:16 pm rkiker: RT @Marisa_C: RT @tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat - I like this idea
2:16 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @efl101: @englishraven should the journals b checked do u think? #eltchat -> How abt using them as dialogue logs? btwn T and ST or ST/ST?
2:16 pm DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C So student choice is important. Suggestions for learning outside class should be just that - not homework in disguise! #eltchat
2:17 pm LukeMeddings: @vbenevolofranca Oh-is it the H word now?:) Invite people to gather scraps of language,experience,make class the shared scrapbook #eltchat
2:17 pm Shaunwilden: RT @olafelch: @DaveDodgson Is this an issue of creating a work-ethic? #eltchat - yes I think so and building learner Independence
2:17 pm BloggersELT: @DaveDodgson actually my students tend not to want to have comments - at least not until they are confident with what writing #ELTchat
2:17 pm Britsmiles: RT @Britsmiles: L must have a (personal) incentive and therefore an interest. Agree to tapping into what they already like to do L1 #ELTChat
2:17 pm englishraven: @vbenevolofranca @esolcourses I used to make a point of calling it "Homeproject" - not "Homework" :-) #ELTChat
2:17 pm Marisa_C: RT @meggoos: Is anyone teaching elementary school ESL students? How do you promote learning outside of school? #eltchat
2:17 pm efl101: @cecilialcoelho journals as dialogue - nice idea, like that a lot #eltchat
2:17 pm bcnpaul1: Also - always ask them to prepare sthg for a mini pres. on a topic of their interest for nxt class #ELTChat
2:18 pm esolcourses: @vbenevolofranca agree - any work set outside class should always be relevant/purposeful #ELTChat
2:18 pm cerirhiannon: @kalinagoenglish can sometimes be habit forming - listening to podcasts as you jog is one example for my RL #ELTchat
2:18 pm tarabenwell: @englishraven Here's a link to MyEC. ELLs can blog, chat, record voice, create groups, watch video:http://my.englishclub.com/ #ELTchat
2:18 pm meggoos: @englishraven I like Homelearning? #ELTChat
2:18 pm Marisa_C: RT @LukeMeddings: Oh-is it the H word now?:) Invite people to gather scraps of language,experience,make class the shared scrapbook #eltchat
2:18 pm vbenevolofranca: Hmm, like that! RT @englishraven I used to make a point of calling it "Homeproject" - not "Homework" :-) #ELTChat
2:18 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @bcnpaul1: Also - always ask them to prepare sthg for a mini pres. on a topic of their interest for nxt class #ELTChat
2:19 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTChat I guess this is a question of motivation and what is learnt inside and outside the classroom is different.
2:19 pm olafelch: I have a young girl who is working 2 yrs above her age. Her secret - she chat with Americans on ICQ (The modern form of penfriends) #ELTchat
2:19 pm rliberni: @kalinagoenglish I think we can use 'dead' time more effectively by 'delivering ' language e.g with mobile phones, they sign up #eltchat
2:19 pm englishraven: Remember also that basic forums (perhaps with privacy settings) are a nice accessible step below full-on S Blogs too! #ELTChat
2:19 pm jgmac1106: I think just providing an online space as an extension of class often leads to self motivated learners discussing literature #ELTchat
2:19 pm tarabenwell: @efl101 Yes, and we've used blogs as interview tools. Getting to know your PLN. #ELTchat
2:19 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @englishraven: I used 2 make a pt of calling it "Homeproject" :-) #ELTChat -> U can call a chicken a swam but it will still b a chicken
2:19 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @LukeMeddings: @vbenevolofranca Invite people 2 gather scraps of lang,experience,make class the shared scrapbook #eltchat
2:19 pm DaveDodgson: @olafelch Or an issue of encouraging voluntary use of English outside class and not 'homework' style tasks? #eltchat
2:19 pm Marisa_C: RT @tarabenwell: Here's a link to MyEC. ELLs can blog, chat, record voice, create groups, watch video: http://my.englishclub.com/ #ELTchat
2:19 pm motherchina: Students look at graded 'outside' activity quite differently #ELTchat
2:20 pm olafelch: @Shaunwilden Creating learnenr independence is a good point, but the process can be painful for the teacher. #eltchat
2:20 pm Marisa_C: RT @jgmac1106: I think just providing an online space as an extension of class often leads to self motivated learners #ELTchat / agree
2:20 pm jgmac1106: Just be wary of skills outside of classroom and homework. Many times homework assesses nothing but organizational behavior. #ELTchat
2:20 pm chriscattaneo: Lead the way w/ ideas stepbystep let sts experiment and report back to othrs w/recommendations.Sts CHOOSE fav ways and blog(share) #eltchat
2:21 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTChat pictures from real life experience outside the classroom can be useful in relation to scrapbooks.
2:21 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: .... make class the shared scrapbook #eltchat >agree, need 2link inside & outside as part of same thing #ELTchat
2:21 pm englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: Call a chicken a swam but it will still b a chicken -> Perhaps, but simple terms CAN make a difference :-) #ELTChat
2:21 pm olafelch: @DaveDodgson Agree. I almost never grade work done outside the class. #eltchat
2:21 pm tarabenwell: @englishraven True. Some of our members still prefer the good ol ESL forums. Surprising.http://www.englishclub.com/esl-forums/ #ELTchat
2:21 pm Shaunwilden: @olafelch Painful? #eltchat
2:21 pm meggoos: RT @Marisa_C: RT @jgmac1106: I think just providing an online space as an extension of class often leads to self motivated learners #ELTchat / agree
2:21 pm rliberni: Setting up interactive/competitive stuff for stds with leaderboards etc.. can be motivating with the right sdts #eltchat
2:22 pm vbenevolofranca: RT @kalinagoenglish Idea of collaborative work is attractive & teens do enjoy this. YLE can do this as well, but w/ "facilitator" #ELTChat
2:22 pm esolcourses: @efl101: @englishraven I often get s's to peer correct journals - they can also be used to develop work further with glogs, etc #eltchat
2:22 pm BloggersELT: @cerirhiannon true - have some students who do (TED) + they love it - but others who started +did only 4 a few weeks #ELTchat
2:22 pm kalinagoenglish: @cerirhiannon true - have some students who do (TED) + they love it - but others who started +did only 4 a few weeks #ELTchat
2:22 pm cerirhiannon: RT @jgmac1106: providing online space as an extension of class leads to self motivated learners #ELTchat / agree if/when ss can access it
2:22 pm Marisa_C: RT @olafelch: @DaveDodgson Agree. I almost never grade work done outside the class. #eltchat - Demotivating Ss if you do?
2:22 pm englishraven: @bcnpaul1 Not sure I did... But an online diary of some sort is a great, empowering tool for Ss, for sure! #ELTChat
2:22 pm bcnpaul1: @englishraven was it you who sent link to online diary - i wantt my sts to give that a try #ELTChat
2:22 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @englishraven: Perhaps, but simple terms CAN make a difference :-) Agree it CAN make a diff 4 some ppl #ELTChat
2:22 pm kalinagoenglish: @olafelch cool idea #ELTchat
2:23 pm efl101: #paper vocab flash cards? Anki - PC flashcards for vocab? boring a bit but words, words, words - again 5-10 mins a day maybe #eltchat
2:23 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTChat Does anyone prepare homework in a similar fashion of webquest for students? Can this help sts to study outside of class?
2:23 pm rliberni: @tarabenwell they probably feel comfortable there - I think the teacher can motivate ss to try new things #eltchat
2:23 pm englishraven: @jgmac1106 Forums are great for wider group-based discussion out of class than blogs, I think... #ELTChat
2:23 pm olafelch: @Shaunwilden Yes, like touch typing - things get worse before the benefit shows. Some tchrs get weak and go back to spoon feeding. #eltchat
2:23 pm tarabenwell: @efl101 Of course! Here's a link to it. Writing Challenge #13: http://tinyurl.com/ykvgajb #ELTchat
2:24 pm ddeubel: Unless highly motivated, very few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark #eltchat
2:24 pm cerirhiannon: RT @kalinagoenglish: .... others who started +did only 4 a few weeks #ELTchat < trial and error till they find what works for them? #ELTchat
2:24 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @Marisa_C @tarabenwell: Here's link to MyEC. ELLs blog, chat, record voice, cr8 groups, watch video: http://my.englishclub.com/ #ELTchat
2:24 pm englishraven: @cecilialcoelho I think key point may be - do the Ts really regard it as a swan, or a dressed up chicken? #ELTChat
2:24 pm rliberni: RT @ddeubel: Unless highly motivated, very few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark sad but true! #eltchat
2:25 pm DaveDodgson: @olfatech Things Ss do outside class with English should be discussed with a focus on content. I only ever grade FoF work #eltchat
2:25 pm englishraven: RT @ddeubel: Unless highly motivated, very few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark #eltchat
2:25 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @ddeubel: Unless highly motivated, few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark #eltchat >>think that's cultural?
2:25 pm tarabenwell: @rliberni We have a few volunteer moderators (ELLs) who have formed a welcoming committee. #ELTchat
2:25 pm olafelch: @Marisa_C Not demotivating, but to be honest, I don't know who did the work. The kids know that prep means good chances in class. #eltchat
2:25 pm ddeubel: I second the comment about "competition" / "interaction. #eltchat
2:25 pm LukeMeddings: @Marisa_C @kalinagoenglish Scraps become stimulus and that's when inside&outside merge like @cerirhiannon says - daylong learning! #ELTChat
2:25 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: I almst never grade work done outs.the class. - Demotivat. Ss if you do? / Think so, bt some SS like it 2. Ask them? #eltchat
2:26 pm englishraven: @ddeubel Good point. I don't see any problem at all with using grades to motivate out of class work - if it's needed. #ELTChat
2:26 pm motherchina: @ddeubel that's so true. where's the authenticiy in doing outside activities if they're graded #ELTchat
2:26 pm Marisa_C: Looks like everyone is assuming/equating online work with motivation! #ELTchat
2:26 pm vbenevolofranca: @ddeubel Agree, sometimes difficult to motivate. Often find this depends on age range & task objective. Adults more diff than teens?#ELTChat
2:26 pm rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: Looks like everyone is assuming/equating online work with motivation! #ELTchat#eltchat
2:27 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @englishraven: do the Ts really regard it as a swan, or a dressed up chicken? -> Dressed up chicken in my guess. #ELTChat
2:27 pm Shaunwilden: @olafelch true, but I think a lot of teachers don't try though, they just expect sts to do things then r surprised when they dont #ELTChat
2:27 pm cerirhiannon: @englishraven @ceciliahcoelho maybe the prob is getting the Ts to substitute the chicken for a swan ? #ELTchat
2:27 pm englishraven: @olafelch Out of class tasks that focus on previewing or preparing for an actual class usually work better than follow-ups #ELTChat
2:27 pm motherchina: @olafelch I usually ask Sts to provide me a list of who did what #ELTchat
2:27 pm lclandfield: @Marisa_C Interesting point (hello everyone) about online = motivating. I agree with you that it doesn't. Have just joined btw #ELTchat
2:27 pm olafelch: @kalinagoenglish It's certainly true in Germany. ;o) #eltchat
2:27 pm chriscattaneo: @englishraven @ddeubel but only if sts are expecting grading...#eltchat
2:27 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @rliberni: Unless highly motivated, V few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark sad but true! - > Agree 100% #eltchat
2:27 pm drtimony: would prob sub 'highly' for 'differently' RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @ddeubel: Unless highly motivated #eltchat >>think that's cultural?
2:27 pm kalinagoenglish: We should also consider how we ourselves learned our own L2s - sometimes we come up with ideas we would never do to learn ourselves #ELTchat
2:28 pm englishraven: RT @kalinagoenglish: @cerirhiannon not "all" students are into listening to material - or into organization involved (podcasts etc) #ELTchat
2:28 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Looks like everyone is assuming/equating online work with motivation! #ELTchat - we have to look at non-online as well!
2:28 pm cerirhiannon: RT @kalinagoenglish not "all" students are into listening to material /downloading podcasts etc #ELTchat - absolutely - need choice ...
2:28 pm mattscully: Perhaps student motivation is more about the system they are plugged into than the students themselves. #eltchat
2:28 pm tarabenwell: @ddeubel I highly disagree. A comment or friendly note from an English teacher means more than any mark in my experience. #ELTchat
2:28 pm rliberni: @chriscattaneo I think all these things (online) take time and need a lot of patience.I've run many a chat session with myself! #eltchat
2:28 pm DaveDodgson: RT @Shaunwilden: @olafelch true, but I think a lot of teachers don't try though, they just expect sts to do things then r surprised when they dont #ELTChat
2:28 pm motherchina: @Shaunwilden I don't expect them to do anything if they're not graded- only motvated sts do the extra work #ELTchat
2:29 pm lekpen: RT @paulmaglione: RT @EnglishAttack: French pop music finds its voice w/ English language lyrics. #efl #esl #eltchat #english http://bit.ly/a6tv1b
2:29 pm lclandfield: Apologies if this is repeating what came earlier, but could collaborative project = more motivating outside class? #ELTchat
2:29 pm olafelch: @Shaunwilden Very true. I moved from a culture where people did prep work to one where they didn't. I still don't understand why. #ELTChat
2:29 pm olafelch: RT @englishraven:Out of class tasks that focus on previewing or preparing for an actual class usually work better than follow-ups #ELTChat
2:29 pm cerirhiannon: @kalinagoenglish #ELTchat & guidance 2 explore choices and find the right ones - and also to keep it fresh and varied (tall order?)
2:29 pm ddeubel: I think works best and like the idea of connecting with an english classroom #eltchat
2:30 pm cybraryman1: Connect students online. Penpals. Used to do that with email & started from Email Around the World project: http://bit.ly/adSn3u #ELTchat
2:30 pm jgmac1106: @Marica_C still we could b contributing to a false dichotomy. outside lrng can b done unplugged. Believe online makes it easier. #eltchat
2:30 pm bcnpaul1: tasks can still be motivating even if they involve a grade #ELTChat
2:30 pm meggoos: @ddeubel I had a class of 15 7yr olds last year-beg of year only 3 ss used our class website at end of year all but one or two. #eltchat
2:30 pm ELTExperiences: @Shaunwilden true. I did look at projects for sts to complete but there must be a reward for sts. What is a good reward? #ELTChat
2:30 pm seanbanville: #ELTchat Congratulations to all ELTchat organisers on inaugural (and successful) chat - just arrived :-)
2:30 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: online = motivation! - I assume effective learning requires motiv. Extra work too, even more motivation needed #ELTchat
2:31 pm cerirhiannon: exploring possibilities in class and discussing preferred style and realistic times and schedules - not piling on the guilt #ELTchat
2:31 pm rliberni: RT @seanbanville: #ELTchat Congratulations to all ELTchat organisers on inaugural (and successful) chat - just arrived :-) #eltchat
2:31 pm Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden Yes, online is easy access but not to everyone - I teach refugees who have no homes even #ELTchat
2:31 pm englishraven: RT @lclandfield: could collaborative project = more motivating outside class? -> Can depend a lot on project & group, I think #ELTchat
2:31 pm ELTExperiences: RT @esolcourses: don't set webquests, but I upload activities to my site for students to work on between lessons - works more ... #ELTchat
2:31 pm chriscattaneo: ?@rliberni:I think all these things (online)take time and need a lot of patience.I've run many a chat session with myself! #eltchat LOL
2:31 pm Britsmiles: Not all L's (age, culture?) interested in online learning much as we might like them to be #ELTChat
2:31 pm jgmac1106: RT @mattscully: Perhaps student motivation is more about the system they are plugged into than the students themselves. #eltchat
2:31 pm tarabenwell: @kalinagoenglish That is definitely a challenge! No st blog left behind...#ELTchat
2:32 pm seanbanville: RT @kalinagoenglish: students also find it demotivating not to have work they've done looked at 4 feedback #ELTchat
2:32 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: @englishraven getting Ts to substitute the chicken for a swan ?-> Find the swan within your teaching? Catchy! #ELTchat
2:32 pm olafelch: @englishraven I agree completely. (Though I'm fond of giving the kids their own work back to correct). They're actually good at it) #ELTChat
2:32 pm lclandfield: @englishraven Yes. I was thinking about homework I found motivating at uni. #ELTchat
2:32 pm rliberni: I love the idea of collaborative tasks - they work as you hand over responsibility to the group! #eltchat
2:32 pm kalinagoenglish: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden not everyone has internet access at home (even in Germany!) #ELTchat
2:32 pm chriscattaneo: RT @rliberni: RT @seanbanville: #ELTchat Congratulations to all ELTchat organisers on inaugural (and successful) chat - just arrived :-) #eltchat
2:33 pm englishraven: Just remember - if this all seems too fast and dislocated #ELTChat we have a round up later! Grab onto whatever thread interests you!
2:33 pm motherchina: @ELTExperiences Good reward is when other people (students/teachers) akwnowledged the work they did e.g. blog comments #ELTchat
2:33 pm lclandfield: @kalinagoenglish @tarabenwell In my case, it's more no composition or essay left behind! #ELTchat
2:33 pm rliberni: RT @kalinagoenglish: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden not everyone has internet access at home (even in Germany!) #ELTchat #eltchat
2:33 pm Shaunwilden: @ELTExperiences: What is a good reward? #ELTChat Why does there need to be a reward?
2:33 pm englishraven: @lclandfield Yes, if there was a good classroom rapport/environment, collaborative out of class tasks usually worked #ELTChat
2:33 pm chriscattaneo: RT @kalinagoenglish: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden not everyone has internet access at home (even in Germany!) #ELTchat
2:33 pm vbenevolofranca: Don´t think motivation = online. Sometimes even teenagers resist online - but find anything involving social interaction motivates. #ELTChat
2:33 pm ELTExperiences: RT @motherchina: @ELTExperiences Good reward is when other people (students/teachers) akwnowledged the work they did e.g. blog comments #ELTchat
2:33 pm Britsmiles: RT @seanbanville: RT @kalinagoenglish: students also find it demotivating not to have work they've done looked at 4 feedback #ELTchat
2:33 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: I think online activities *can* be motivational, but it isn't a given - care needs 2 go into selecting them #ELTchat
2:34 pm lclandfield: @rliberni Hopefully the group polices itself a bit more. But this depends on age. I'm thinking of adults right now. #ELTchat
2:34 pm englishraven: @lclandfield Which reminds me - the link between classroom environment and out of class work can be SO important! #ELTChat
2:34 pm kalinagoenglish: @lclandfield interesting idea - collaborative projects - outside of class time :-) #ELTchat
2:34 pm EveWeb: RT @kalinagoenglish: @Marisa_C @DaveDodgson @ddeubel @olafelch I do grade work done outside of class, specifically online work. #ELTChat
2:34 pm seanbanville: RT @esolcourses: I think online activities *can* be motivational, but it isn't a given - care needs 2 go into selecting them #ELTchat
2:35 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @SeanBanville: @kalinagoenglish: SS also find it demotivating not 2 hv feedback -> Feedback's d oxygen of motivation & learning #ELTchat
2:35 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @tarabenwell: @ddeubel I highly disagree. Comment or friendly note from English teacher means more than mark in my experience. #ELTchat
2:35 pm ELTExperiences: RT @Shaunwilden: @ELTExperiences: What is a good reward? #ELTChat Why does there need to be a reward?
2:35 pm Marisa_C: RT @kalinagoenglish: @lclandfield interesting idea - collaborative projects - outside of class time :-) #ELTchat
2:35 pm seanbanville: Select / make materials based on topics they talk about in their L1 - a motivating difference to Anglocentric materials #ELTchat
2:35 pm englishraven: @Shaunwilden That's why I like to focus on previewing and preparing tasks... reward eventuates in readiness for actual class time! #ELTChat
2:35 pm cerirhiannon: re grading/not grading - set up a system 4 teens who decided which tasks they to submit 4 grading, needed a min of 4 per month #ELTchat
2:36 pm ddeubel: with projects, out of class work - , I also think the more control you give Ss, the more they will do it and partake in it. #eltchat
2:36 pm rliberni: @lclandfield adults can also be guilty of attrition in a task #eltchat
2:36 pm Marisa_C: RT @esolcourses: I think online activities *can* be motivational, but not a given - care needs 2 go into selecting them #ELTchat
2:36 pm BloggersELT: RT @Britsmiles: Not all L's interested in online learning much as we might like them to be #ELTChat>>varies lots! Some love it, others...
2:36 pm DaveDodgson: I think 'guidance' & 'choice' (lots of both) are key to get students using English outside the classroom #eltchat
2:36 pm toefl_teacher: RT @seanbanville: Select / make materials based on topics they talk about in their L1 - a motivating difference to Anglocentric materials #ELTchat
2:36 pm meggoos: RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @tarabenwell: @ddeubel I highly disagree. Comment or friendly note from English teacher means more than mark in my experience. #ELTchat
2:36 pm tarabenwell: RT @kalinagoenglish @lclandfield - collaborative projects - outside of class time #ELTchat Let's make a list of ideas #ELTchat
2:36 pm englishraven: RT @seanbanville: Select / make materials based on topics they talk about in their L1 - a motivating difference to Anglocentric materials #ELTchat
2:36 pm lclandfield: RT @kalinagoenglish Comment orfriendly note from English teacher means more than mark in my experience. - Many times yes not always #ELTchat
2:36 pm esolcourses: I tend not to set online quizzes for students that don't give hints & feedback - Learners need to know *why* they get Q's wrong #ELTchat
2:37 pm seanbanville: My Arab students so appreciative of English materials addressing Arab learners - Noticeable increase in motivation to read - #ELTchat
2:37 pm rliberni: @olafelch in the business world I find the biggest problem is time to do anything! #eltchat
2:37 pm tarabenwell: RT @seanbanville: Select / make materials based on topics they talk about in their L1 - a motivating difference to Anglocentric materials #ELTchat
2:37 pm cecilialcoelho: I like 2 squeeze out of them 1 way we can actually/practically hv SS use their Eng. 2day - none of the "it's important 4 my future" #eltchat
2:37 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: RT @esolcourses: care needs 2 go into selecting them #ELTchat < as with all materials/activities and with the same criteria
2:37 pm motherchina: @kalinagoenglish got lots of examples e.g. E-zine, Pubic service ads/commercials, #ELTchat
2:37 pm BloggersELT: @Britsmiles #ELTchat but my forays showing it's NOT age specific at all... some 50+ year olds think it's great, 28y.o who was overwhelmed.
2:37 pm olafelch: RT @kalinagoenglish Comment orfriendly note from English teacher means more than mark in my experience. - Many times yes not always #ELTchat
2:37 pm Marisa_C: @EveWeb Project work should be part of a process writing sequence - end product should not be graded in my view - #ELTChat
2:37 pm Marisa_C: @EveWeb especially piblicly #ELTChat
2:38 pm englishraven: RT @ddeubel: with projects, out of class work - , I also think the more control you give Ss, the more they will do it and partake in it. #eltchat
2:38 pm olafelch: @rliberni Or actually convincing them that they really do have the time! ;o) #eltchat
2:38 pm vbenevolofranca: Agree! RT @ddeubel w/ projects,out of class work think the more control you give Ss, the more they will do it and partake in it #eltcHAT
2:38 pm motherchina: @EveWeb me too. 'call them task/projects complete with rubrics #ELTchat
2:38 pm lclandfield: I don't have that much of a problem with motivational potential of marks. There is a carrot and there is a stick. Both can work #ELTchat
2:38 pm englishraven: RT @seanbanville: My Arab students so appreciative of English materials addressing Arab learners - Noticeable increase in motivation to read - #ELTchat
2:38 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTchat Should rewards for young learners differ to adults? If so, how? I mostly teach teenagers, motivation to learn is different.
2:39 pm BloggersELT: @lclandfield @englishraven -link betw classroom enviro. + classwork imp - that's why online communities with learners are great! #ELTchat
2:39 pm olafelch: @EveWeb Do you use #Moodle? #ELTchat
2:39 pm Marisa_C: C@Marisa_C Could we move to types of activities for the different language skills pls? #ELTChatIdeas for SPEAKING?
2:39 pm motherchina: @SeanBanville agree- what's the point of having them done, eh? #ELTchat
2:39 pm lclandfield: Thinking as a learner, marks motivated me and... thinks... not always in a bad way. #ELTchat
2:39 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @olafelch: Comment or friendly note from English T means + than mark in my exp. - Many times yes not always - Most times IMHO! #ELTchat
2:40 pm cerirhiannon: RT @SeanBanville: My Arab students so appreciative of English materials addressing Arab learners #ELTchat personalisation/localistion so imp
2:40 pm lclandfield: @BloggersELT @englishraven Agree the link is very important. Crucial almost. #ELTchat
2:40 pm kalinagoenglish: @DaveDodgson definitely - not grades but responding to the content style, intelligence of remark and opinion = good feedback 2 #ELTchat
2:40 pm englishraven: Making out of class tasks as realistic and relevant as possible is a real priority, I think #ELTChat
2:40 pm motherchina: @DaveDodgson right, not just the number of postings, numbers can be deceiving #ELTchat
2:40 pm olafelch: @lclandfield Carrot and stick - very true, and not just in secondary schools. Adults need it too sometimes. #ELTchat
2:40 pm seanbanville: @rliberni I've made materials on the latest Arab singers - my students' faces light up - #ELTchat
2:40 pm bcnpaul1: definitely think projects that have a link between in and out of cl is a good idea- #ELTChat
2:40 pm ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C #ELTchat does anyone use Skype or messenger for sts? Do you setup a skype group to communicate to sts?
2:41 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @kalinagoenglish: @lclandfield interesting idea - collaborative projects - outside of class time :-) -> Like that too... Ideas?#ELTchat
2:41 pm esolcourses: RT @seanbanville My Arab students so appreciative of English materials addressing Arab learners-Noticeable increase in motivation- #ELTchat
2:41 pm cerirhiannon: RT @englishraven: Making out of class tasks as realistic and relevant as possible is a real priority, I think #ELTChat > agree
2:41 pm bcnpaul1: RT @ddeubel: with projects, out of class work - , I also think the more control you give Ss, the more they will do it and partake in it. #eltchat
2:41 pm Marisa_C: RT @ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C #ELTchat does anyone use Skype or messenger for sts? Do you setup a skype group to communicate to sts?
2:41 pm EveWeb: I do not publish my students' online project until it has been corrected and it is ready. They need feedback RT @Marisa_C #ELTChat
2:41 pm englishraven: @cecilialcoelho Take a breath, take your time, don't try to gobble every morsel :-) #ELTChat
2:41 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: Making out of class tasks as realistic and relevant as possible is a real priority, I think #ELTChat
2:41 pm lclandfield: Collaborative project list idea #1: poster sessions (paper or powerpoint) of topic ss choose and then present. #ELTchat
2:41 pm tarabenwell: @BloggersELT Wouldn't it be fun if a classroom of English learners could adopt a disconnected learner from MyEC? #ELTchat
2:42 pm cerirhiannon: asking students to suggest how they think they'd like to follow up the class can work too #ELTchat
2:42 pm kalinagoenglish: @ELTExperiences I think @englishraven runs his site 4 TOEFLrs through Skype or Voxopop (?) #ELTchat
2:42 pm cybraryman1: RT @englishraven: Making out of class tasks as realistic and relevant as possible is a real priority, I think #ELTChat
2:42 pm DaveDodgson: RT @kalinagoenglish: @DaveDodgson definitely - not grades but responding to the content style, intelligence of remark and opinion = good feedback 2 #ELTchat
2:42 pm olafelch: @ELTExperiences All of my sts (both in schools and in business can reach me by chat over #moodle. A lot of them use it. #ELTchat
2:42 pm seanbanville: @cerirhiannon Exactly - most coursebook materials can be mirrored using a localized topic - much better interest from stdnts - #ELTchat
2:42 pm tarabenwell: RT @cerirhiannon: asking students to suggest how they think they'd like to follow up the class can work too #ELTchat
2:42 pm esolcourses: RT @tarabenwell: @BloggersELT Wouldn't it be fun if a classroom of English learners could adopt a disconnected learner from MyEC? #ELTchat
2:42 pm lclandfield: Collaborative project list idea #2: students in pairs make video of something (themselves, or simply narrating something filmed) #ELTchat
2:42 pm Amandalanguage: Trying 2 achieve continuous cycle of stuff done in n out of class - stdts bring work generated/found outside n we value it inside #ELTchat
2:43 pm Marisa_C: RT @EveWeb: I do not publish my students' online project until it has been corrected and it is ready. They need feedback #ELTChat Agree
2:43 pm DaveDodgson: @kalinagoenglish Plus it lets them know you are interested. That alone is motivation to do more #eltchat
2:43 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTchat I should've charged my iPhone for this discussion. Battery is low.
2:43 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C For speaking - can't beat #Voxopop http://bit.ly/gke7M for out of class speaking activities! #ELTChat
2:43 pm ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat
2:43 pm seanbanville: @lclandfield Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat
2:43 pm rliberni: RT @ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat
2:43 pm kalinagoenglish: @ELTExperiences personally I wouldn't -would never get off computer Must have life too - working on Ning means I still own my time #ELTchat
2:43 pm motherchina: real time results on hold ? #ELTchat
2:43 pm ELTExperiences: RT @olafelch: @ELTExperiences All of my sts (both in schools and in business can reach me by chat over #moodle. A lot of them use it. #ELTchat
2:43 pm Marisa_C: @tarabenwell @cerirhiannon #ELTchat Giving our students choice is an important step to autonomy - which also need to be gradual
2:44 pm EveWeb: I do use voice tools, although I teach reading. RT @Marisa_C: RT @ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C#ELTchat does anyone use Skype.... #ELTChat
2:44 pm ELTExperiences: RT @ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat
2:44 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: @Marisa_C For speaking - can't beat #Voxopop http://bit.ly/gke7M for out of class speaking activities! #ELTChat
2:44 pm englishraven: @kalinagoenglish I manage 400+ online students through Voxopop, a forum and everything live (chat/voice/video) is through Google #ELTChat
2:44 pm esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: RT @tarabenwell: RT @cerirhiannon: asking students to suggest how they'd like to follow up the class can work too #ELTchat
2:44 pm cecilialcoelho: We've had great success @ motivating teen SS w/ a digistorytelling pjct where they do everything, from script 2 filming & editing. #eltchat
2:44 pm Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: RT @ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat
2:44 pm motherchina: @Marisa_C and with their permission of course, #ELTchat
2:44 pm lclandfield: Collaborative project list idea #3: a joint presentation (business) or drama sketch #ELTchat
2:44 pm bcnpaul1: RT @Amandalanguage: Trying 2 achieve continuous cycle of stuff done in n out of class - stdts bring work generated/found outside n we value it inside #ELTchat
2:44 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @lclandfield: Thinking as a learner, marks motivated me and not always in a bad way. #ELTchat>> interesting - not me!
2:44 pm olafelch: RT @seanbanville: @lclandfield Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat +1
2:44 pm yy26: RT @cybraryman1: Connect students online. Penpals. Used to do that with email & started from Email Around the World project: http://bit.ly/adSn3u #ELTchat
2:45 pm ddeubel: RT @lclandfield: Collaborative project list idea #2: students in pairs make video of something (themselves, or simply narrating something filmed) #ELTchat
2:45 pm Marisa_C: RT @motherchina: @Marisa_C and with their permission of course, #ELTchat | Absolutely! :-)
2:45 pm EveWeb: Yes, I do use Moodle. RT @olafelch: @EveWeb Do you use #Moodle? #ELTchat
2:45 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTchat I've found that uploading a roleplay to YouTube can be useful. Especially if the project is prepared by sts at home.
2:45 pm lclandfield: @Marisa_C Have also used voicethread, it's good. #ELTchat
2:45 pm cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: Explicit in class discussion of ways of learning outside class is aways a good idea too. Students often have the best ideas! #eltchat
2:45 pm englishraven: Doing lots of grading or feedback for out of class work is making a rod for your own back... Disincentive for teachers #ELTChat
2:45 pm esolcourses: @olafelch @ELTExperiences I don't use moodle, but I keep in touch with students via text & email between lessons #ELTchat
2:45 pm cybraryman1: RT @olafelch: RT @seanbanville: @lclandfield Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat +1
2:46 pm kalinagoenglish: @DaveDodgson agreed #ELTchat
2:46 pm lclandfield: @kalinagoenglish Marks sure as hell motivate my children (not my doing!) This may change as they get older. #ELTchat
2:46 pm cecilialcoelho: How about having SS have recorded dialogues back and forth? Maybe let them find a partner, rec. audio, send, respond, exchange? #eltchat
2:46 pm Shaunwilden: RT @ELTExperiences: #ELTchat I've found uploading a roleplay to YouTube can be useful. Esp if project is prepared by sts at home-nice idea
2:46 pm rliberni: Some spking ideas - for individuals but some could work 4 gps http://bit.ly/a4tN8D #eltchat
2:46 pm olafelch: @lclandfield We do a lot of joint presentations in our school, and some kids really blossom through it. #ELTchat
2:47 pm chriscattaneo: @DaveDodgson @kalinagoenglish But only T as 'audience' is very limiting especially over time. Ie what happens when course finished? #ELTchat
2:47 pm Marisa_C: @lclandfield @englishraven #ELTchat Voice tools seem popular and hear positive comments here
2:47 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @olafelch: RT @seanbanville: @lclandfield Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat >>agreed
2:47 pm bcnpaul1: Had a lot of success doing PKs with teenagers - helped that it was collaborative with other classes - more motivating #ELTChat
2:47 pm cerirhiannon: RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @lclandfield: marks motivated me and not always in a bad way. #ELTchat>> interesting - not me! < I'm with lindsay
2:47 pm Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: Some spking ideas - for individuals but some could work 4 gps http://bit.ly/a4tN8D#eltchat
2:47 pm rliberni: @olafelch trying to add this feature to my site but mainly for ROI!! #eltchat
2:47 pm lclandfield: @englishraven Students can help mark too, in some cases. Excess is bad, but marking is a part of teaching too. #ELTchat
2:48 pm Marisa_C: RT @cybraryman1: RT @olafelch: RT @seanbanville: Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat +1
2:48 pm Amandalanguage: @seanbanville whoops forget to add #ELTchat -
2:48 pm englishraven: I gave automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades if they responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays. Effect = amazing... #ELTChat
2:48 pm olafelch: Has anyone tried setting up a clinic on Facebook.? Been working on the idea for a while now. Any experiences? #ELTchat
2:48 pm NewsNeus: RT @seanbanville: @rliberni I've made materials on the latest Arab singers - my students' faces light up - #ELTchat
2:48 pm tarabenwell: I've had more success with motivation since using the word "challenge" for online assignments.http://tinyurl.com/2e53oxe #ELTchat
2:48 pm DaveDodgson: RT @ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat Me too - works well, esp. with YLs
2:48 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTchat I need to look at voice tools. What's the website/link?
2:48 pm Marisa_C: RT @bcnpaul1: Had a lot of success doing PKs with teenagers - helped that it was collaborative with other classes - more motivating #ELTChat
2:48 pm chriscattaneo: RT @englishraven: I gave automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades if they responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays. Effect = amazing... #ELTChat
2:49 pm rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Have also used PKs with Ss - great for sustained talk! #ELTChat#eltchat
2:49 pm englishraven: Example for realistic/relevant - had my Ss find and contact real tour companies overseas for 'dream trips'. #ELTChat
2:49 pm EveWeb: Definitively, topics that are of SS interest guarantee interaction, maybe not accuracy, but communication. #ELTchat
2:49 pm olafelch: RT @englishraven: Doing lots of grading or f/back for out of clss work is making a rod for your own back... Disincentive for tchrs #ELTChat
2:49 pm Marisa_C: RT @olafelch: @lclandfield We do a lot of joint presentations in our school, and some kids really blossom through it. #ELTchat Great!
2:49 pm ddeubel: michael stout always has some great ideas for out of class stuff. Some here. http://bit.ly/cqOd1b#eltchat
2:50 pm tarabenwell: Love that RT @englishraven Gvae automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades if they responded (genuinely) to all mates' online essays. #ELTChat
2:50 pm rliberni: RT @ddeubel: michael stout always has some great ideas for out of class stuff. Some here.http://bit.ly/cqOd1b #eltchat
2:50 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTchat what about the listening skill for sts. How can teachers motivate sts to improve?
2:50 pm Marisa_C: @olafelch What do you mean by 'clinic' I use the term for tutorials myself - you? #ELTchat
2:50 pm ddeubel: RT @englishraven: I gave automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades if they responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays. Effect = amazing... #ELTChat
2:50 pm englishraven: RT @rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Have also used PKs with Ss - great for sustained talk! #ELTChat #eltchat
2:50 pm seanbanville: RT @rliberni: @lclandfield peer marking builds trust within the group which is important too for collaboration #eltchat
2:50 pm englishraven: RT @ddeubel: michael stout always has some great ideas for out of class stuff. Some here.http://bit.ly/cqOd1b #eltchat
2:51 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @englishraven: Ex. 4 realistic/relevant - had Ss find & contact real tour companies overseas 4 'dream trips'. -> Love the idea! #ELTChat
2:51 pm ddeubel: Don't send Ss to interview strangers/foreigners on the street. IMHO. #eltchat
2:51 pm ELTExperiences: RT @ddeubel: michael stout always has some great ideas for out of class stuff. Some here.http://bit.ly/cqOd1b #eltchat
2:51 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: Example for realistic/relevant - had my Ss find and contact real tour companies overseas for 'dream trips'. #ELTChat
2:51 pm BloggersELT: RT @EveWeb: Definitively, topics that are of SS interest guarantee interaction, maybe not accuracy, but communication. #ELTchat
2:51 pm olafelch: @englishraven To get away from sts tactical grading, I often get them to predict what I or a colleague will give as a grade. #ELTChat
2:51 pm lclandfield: Thought it might be interesting to add some points from Common European Framework on this (don't groan!) #eltchat
2:52 pm Marisa_C: @englishraven Great idea to assign small quests like this - Ss should also be taught how to record these conversations #ELTChat
2:52 pm englishraven: @kalinagoenglish I start by using them in class (voice tools) then gradually move out of class with it :-) Privacy a key factor #ELTChat
2:52 pm cybraryman1: Connect, collaborate: Moodle: http://bit.ly/btO2Oq Voice Thread: http://bit.ly/bvDWPS Skype:http://bit.ly/aQNA10 #ELTchat
2:52 pm Marisa_C: RT @ddeubel: Don't send Ss to interview strangers/foreigners on the street. IMHO. #eltchat - Can be done if they go in groups
2:52 pm Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher listening to them or encouraging them is genuinely interested or cares #ELTchat
2:52 pm meggoos: @tarabenwell sorry-lost my way in the chat. Most have internet access but not reliable #ELTchat
2:52 pm motherchina: wrap time for me folks. thanks for the great conversation.interesting way to chat on twitter, #ELTchat
2:52 pm EveWeb: I also do so. It works, he he. RT @englishraven: I gave automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades ... Effect = amazing... #ELTChat
2:52 pm olafelch: @Marisa_C I mean an hour or so, when the sts can meet me or a colleague online and ask for help and support. #ELTchat
2:52 pm rliberni: @ELTExperiences I use a lot of news stuff it's good for adults &older teens, short, authentic and fast ??s short 2 #eltchat
2:53 pm cerirhiannon: RT @englishraven: ... uni Ss responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays #ELTChat < need some training in class 1st
2:53 pm motherchina: 'nite from Taiwan #ELTchat
2:53 pm tarabenwell: @ELTExperiences Try sharing a list of podcasts, such as the 30 newest ESL podcasts:http://a4esl.org/podcasts/ #ELTchat
2:53 pm EveWeb: RT @cybraryman1: Connect, collaborate: Moodle: http://bit.ly/btO2Oq Voice Thread:http://bit.ly/bvDWPS Skype: http://bit.ly/aQNA10 #ELTchat
2:53 pm Marisa_C: @Mtranslator Great idea to connect younger students with same age L1 students #ELTchat
2:53 pm englishraven: @Marisa_C They contacted tour operators via email, then presented their enquiry and answer in class. #ELTChat
2:53 pm lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat
2:53 pm olafelch: @motherchina Thanks for dropping in. #ELTchat
2:53 pm cerirhiannon: RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher lencouraging them is genuinely interested or cares #ELTchat > so true
2:53 pm seanbanville: RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher listening to them or encouraging them is interested or cares #ELTchat
2:53 pm Marisa_C: @EveWeb Jus 7 minutes to go till end of #ELTChat Thank you for taking part
2:53 pm ELTExperiences: #ELTchat thx for the chat today. I've gotta go but it was great. Thx for sharing your ideas.
2:54 pm lclandfield: Teachers then follow up on these goals, set by learners themselves. (CEF) #ELTchat
2:54 pm davidwees: @Marisa_C @ddeubel Or at least if it is done in a very public space with an obvious adult standing around as supervisor. #ELTCHAT
2:54 pm NewsNeus: @olafelch Motivation might come from Choosing topic/Exchanging oppinions/ Argumenting choices/Sharing results/Acting in real life/#ELTChat
2:54 pm rliberni: RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat #eltchat
2:54 pm lclandfield: Learners are then encouraged to assess their own progress (CEF) #ELTchat
2:54 pm rliberni: RT @lclandfield: Teachers then follow up on these goals, set by learners themselves. (CEF) #ELTchat#eltchat
2:54 pm olafelch: RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat
2:54 pm esolcourses: @lclandfield @englishraven I often feed students' mistakes into online activities, which they can peer/self-correct the next lesson #ELTchat
2:54 pm Shaunwilden: RT @lclandfield: Learners are then encouraged to assess their own progress (CEF) #ELTchat
2:54 pm bcnpaul1: @rliberni they love it - another idea: sts choose a destination and have to research how to get home for hwk, e.g tokyo to bcn #ELTChat
2:54 pm rliberni: RT @lclandfield: Learners are then encouraged to assess their own progress (CEF) #ELTchat#eltchat
2:54 pm vbenevolofranca: RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat
2:54 pm tarabenwell: @meggoos Would love to meet them on MyEC. It's free, fun, and a great place for English learners to build their own PLN. #ELTchat
2:55 pm esolcourses: RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat
2:55 pm cerirhiannon: RT @englishraven: @Marisa_C contacted tour operators via email, then presented their enquiry and answer ... #ELTChat > did same w/phones
2:55 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students r + motivated if the T listening 2 them or encouraging them is genuinely interested or cares #ELTchat
2:55 pm seanbanville: @Amandalanguage Yes - a teacher constantly on the move interacting much better than a behind-the-desk teacher #ELTchat
2:55 pm NewsNeus: Motivation might come from Choosing topic/Exchanging oppinions/ Argumenting choices/Sharing results/Acting in real life/Observing #ELTChat
2:55 pm Marisa_C: @davidwees good point an adult looking on in case of younger pupils #ELTCHAT
2:55 pm sllengua: RT @seanbanville: RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher listening to them or encouraging them is interested or cares #ELTchat
2:55 pm cerirhiannon: RT @esolcourses: @lclandfield @englishraven I often feed students' mistakes into online activities, which they can peer/self-correct the next lesson #ELTchat
2:55 pm olafelch: @lclandfield That's great in adult ed, but a kids isn't allowed to say "I am only setting a tiny target." #ELTchat
2:55 pm Amandalanguage: RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat
2:56 pm rliberni: @bcnpaul1 I love these authentic tasks a real use of language! #eltchat
2:56 pm avealmec: RT @Amandalanguage Guess students r more motivated if the teacher listening to them or encouraging them is genuinely interested #ELTchat
2:56 pm EveWeb: Creating an online radio might be of great interest for SS and a great means to develop speaking skills. SS might create podcasts #ELTChat
2:56 pm cecilialcoelho: Caring, feedback, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem to b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat
2:56 pm englishraven: Here's the forum-based reporting my Ss did after contacting real tour companies overseas...http://bit.ly/cUYcVr #ELTChat
2:56 pm avealmec: RT @esolcourses @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat
2:56 pm Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
2:56 pm kalinagoenglish: RT @lclandfield: Learners are then encouraged to assess their own progress (CEF) #ELTchat
2:57 pm englishraven: RT @cerirhiannon: uni Ss responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays #ELTChat <need some training in class 1st -> true! #ELTChat
2:57 pm cybraryman1: @esolcourses Like your idea. For each test I gave homework was to write question & correct answer to those they got wrong #ELTchat
2:57 pm avealmec: RT @EveWeb Creating an online radio might be of great interest for SS and a great means to develop speaking skills. #ELTChat
2:57 pm rliberni: RT @englishraven: the forum-based reporting my Ss did after contacting real tour companies overseas... http://bit.ly/cUYcVr #eltchat
2:57 pm Marisa_C: RT @EveWeb: Creating an online radio might be of great interest for SS and a great means to develop speaking skills. #ELTChat
2:57 pm englishraven: RT @cecilialcoelho: Caring, feedback, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem to b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat
2:57 pm lclandfield: RT @olafelch That's great in adult ed, but a kids isn't allowed to say "I am only setting a tiny target." #ELTchat VERY TRUE.
2:57 pm Amandalanguage: RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
2:57 pm Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
2:57 pm Marisa_C: RT @englishraven: Here's the forum-based reporting my Ss did after contacting real tour companies overseas... http://bit.ly/cUYcVr #ELTChat
2:57 pm cybraryman1: RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
2:58 pm meggoos: @tarabenwell #ELTchat What a coincidence-I come across your EC today for the first time! I'll look into ways of students using it!
2:58 pm englishraven: RT @bcnpaul1: @rliberni they love it - another idea: sts choose a destination and have to research how to get home for hwk, e.g tokyo to bcn #ELTChat
2:58 pm seanbanville: @ELTExperiences .. or the latest podcasts based on the latest news (several hundred here)http://bit.ly/d0LAsd #ELTchat
2:58 pm EveWeb: Thanks so much, Marisa. Great discussion. RT @Marisa_C: @EveWeb Jus 7 minutes to go till end of #ELTChat Thank you for taking part
2:58 pm olafelch: RT @cecilialcoelho: Caring f/back, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem 2 b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat
2:58 pm avealmec: RT @Marisa_C Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
2:58 pm seanbanville: RT @esolcourses: I often feed students' mistakes into online activities, which they can peer/self-correct the next lesson #ELTchat
2:59 pm Shaunwilden: RT @cecilialcoelho: Caring f/back, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem 2 b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat
2:59 pm vbenevolofranca: RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
2:59 pm Amandalanguage: RT @olafelch: RT @cecilialcoelho: Caring f/back, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem 2 b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat
2:59 pm olafelch: RT @seanbanville: @ELTExperiences .. or the latest podcasts based on the latest news (several hundred here) http://bit.ly/d0LAsd #ELTchat
2:59 pm EveWeb: RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
2:59 pm DaveDodgson: And teachers have to be prepared to use some of their time outside class to help those Ss who are motivated to do extra work. #eltchat
2:59 pm tarabenwell: @englishraven That's fantastic! #ELTchat Seriously wish I'd know you back when I taught TOEIC TOEFL.
3:00 pm Marisa_C: One minute to go and we haven't touched reading #ELTchat - can I suggest this as a topic for a futute discussion?
3:00 pm rliberni: Congratulations on our first #eltchat everyone! thanks to @Olafelch for all the hard work getting it off the ground
3:00 pm Britsmiles: RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher lencouraging them is genuinely interested or cares #ELTchat > so true
3:00 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @cerirhiannon: @Marisa_C: sts don't have access 2 comp & Intern? - Send to embassies, L1 hotspots > phones 2 > voice recorders #eltchat
3:00 pm avealmec: A little too late 4 the #ELTchat but great tips @Marisa_C @Eveweb @esolcourses @englishraven
3:00 pm luclip: RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
3:01 pm kalinagoenglish: Really enjoyed the 1st #ELTchat welldone @englishraven @Marisa_C @olafelch
3:01 pm Shaunwilden: RT @DaveDodgson: And teachers have to be prepared to use some of their time outside class to help those Ss who are motivated to do extra work. #eltchat
3:01 pm EveWeb: RT @DaveDodgson: And teachers have to be prepared to use some of their time outside class to help those Ss who are motivated to do extra work. #eltchat
3:01 pm Amandalanguage: RT @DaveDodgson: And teachers have to be prepared to use some of their time outside class to help those Ss who are motivated to do extra work. #eltchat
3:01 pm englishraven: RT @Marisa_C: One minute to go and we haven't touched reading #ELTchat - can I suggest this as a topic for a futute discussion?
3:01 pm Shaunwilden: RT @kalinagoenglish: Really enjoyed the 1st #ELTchat welldone @englishraven @Marisa_C@olafelch - hear hear round of applause
3:02 pm rliberni: Thanks also to @Marisa_C @englishraven @olafelch for gr8 moderating today!! #eltchat
3:02 pm vbenevolofranca: @Marisa_C A really good idea! Reading does need to be discussed.#ELTChat
3:02 pm Amandalanguage: RT @kalinagoenglish: Really enjoyed the 1st #ELTchat welldone @englishraven @Marisa_C@olafelch
3:02 pm cecilialcoelho: RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat - can I suggest this as a topic for a futute discussion? _> I think it deserves to go on :-) Too much 2 share
3:02 pm esolcourses: @cybraryman1 sounds good, too. T Much better if students work out why the answer is wrong. Marking doesn't always=understanding #ELTchat
3:02 pm Britsmiles: RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress
3:02 pm englishraven: Thanks everyone. I think I can officially claim our first #ELTChat was a ROARING SUCCESS! :-)

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