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2:00 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Let's start #ELTchat!!!! |
2:01 pm |
cybraryman1: |
I always told my students that learning takes place everywhere. #ELTchat |
2:01 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @NoelineL: Join the #ELTchat discussion NOW~ |
2:01 pm |
englishraven: |
@Marisa_C Go get 'em tiger! #ELTChat |
2:01 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@Marisa_C ready #ELTchat |
2:01 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @esolcourses: RT @englishraven: RT @olafelch: If you're new to Twitter chats, try TweetGrid.http://bit.ly/bzrfyf #eltchat |
2:02 pm |
olafelch: |
And welcome from me too. #ELTchat So, is there one killer tip for getting sts to practice out of class? |
2:02 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Why is it important to get learners to practise outside tha classroom? #ELTchat |
2:02 pm |
rliberni: |
For one hour my tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat - how to best motivate Ss to practise their English outside the classroom #eltchat |
2:02 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @cybraryman1: I always told my students that learning takes place everywhere. #ELTchat#eltchat |
2:02 pm |
englishraven: |
Rightio! My first recommendation is to make sure we're giving Ls appetizers and desserts - not leftovers for outside class work #ELTChat |
2:03 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @rliberni: RT @cybraryman1: I always told my students that learning takes place everywhere. #ELTchat |
2:04 pm |
rliberni: |
encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets #eltchat |
2:04 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Moderating this #ELTchat @olafelch @riberni @englishraven and @Marisa_C |
2:05 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets -> Oooh, so agree with that! #eltchat |
2:05 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets #eltchat |
2:05 pm |
efl101: |
no gap-fills, no comp questions etc - reading/watching for fun - music lyrics etc. ie what interests them beyond learning english #eltchat |
2:05 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
RT @rliberni: RT @cybraryman1: I always told my students that learning takes place everywhere. #ELTchat #eltchat |
2:05 pm |
tarabenwell: |
Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat |
2:05 pm |
rliberni: |
I think students should 'carry round' their learning and be able to self-manage this #eltchat |
2:05 pm |
olafelch: |
@rliberni Online is great but the students need more careful guidance. Online is a big place and they can get overwhelmed. #eltchat |
2:05 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C Because however much time they have in class, it's never enough! #eltchat |
2:05 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@englishraven so what are the leftovers in your book? #ELTchat |
2:05 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets #eltchat |
2:05 pm |
meggoos: |
@Marisa_C Most of my students don't have any English speaking opportunities outside of school.. #ELTchat |
2:06 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @tarabenwell: Agreed! Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat#eltchat |
2:06 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @rliberni: I think students should 'carry round' their learning and be able to self-manage this #eltchat |
2:06 pm |
motherchina: |
RT @meggoos: @Marisa_C Most of my students don't have any English speaking opportunities outside of school.. #ELTchat |
2:06 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Because however much time they have in class, it's never enough! #eltchat |
2:06 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @rliberni: encouraging students to learn online is better than handing out worksheets #eltchat agree |
2:06 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat - I like this idea |
2:07 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
@efl101 Yes, enjoying something in L2 and sharing that is key. #ELTchat |
2:07 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
What I've noted is that learners need consistent suggestions of what they can do by themselves in own time #ELTchat |
2:07 pm |
esolcourses: |
Getting students blogging can be a good way of motivating them to work on their English between lessons #ELTchat |
2:07 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @meggoos: @Marisa_C Most of my students don't have any English speaking opportunities outside of school.. #ELTchat |
2:07 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
RT @tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat Good idea! |
2:07 pm |
englishraven: |
@cerirhiannon Leftovers = undesirable bits and pieces not finished in class #ELTChat |
2:07 pm |
cybraryman1: |
How I taught Consumerism (I took students to local store): http://bit.ly/8AG5rE #ELTchat |
2:08 pm |
tarabenwell: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: What I've noted is that learners need consistent suggestions of what they can do by themselves in own time #ELTchat |
2:08 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
It isn't enough to say "here is this program/website/book" but to check up on the follow-through and give new tips #ELTchat |
2:08 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @esolcourses: important to set work that fits what ind. students want/need. *1 size fits all* hmwk approach isn't motivational #ELTChat |
2:08 pm |
Marisa_C: |
#ELTchat Because all teaching aims to free the learner from the teacher! |
2:08 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: What I've noted is that learners need consistent suggestions of what they can do by themselves in own time #ELTchat |
2:08 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
How can we create opportunities for students to use their English outside of class? #eltchat |
2:08 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: What I've noted is that lnrs need consistent suggestions of what they can do by themselves in own time #eltchat |
2:08 pm |
esolcourses: |
encouraging learners who don't have access to PCs to keep a journal, is another option #ELTchat |
2:08 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @chriscattaneo: RT @tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat Good idea! very nice idea! |
2:08 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @cybraryman1: How I taught Consumerism (I took students to local store): http://bit.ly/8AG5rE#ELTchat #eltchat |
2:08 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@kalinagoenglish Exactly! This is why I'm working on "weekly", "monthly" challenges. They can make their own too. #ELTchat |
2:09 pm |
olafelch: |
@rliberni Culture is the key. Getting them to learn in the right culture is easy. Establishing the culture is the tough bit. #eltchat |
2:09 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
@motherchina @meggoos @Marisa_C. Then online opportunities are really important #eltchat |
2:09 pm |
BloggersELT: |
RT @esolcourses: Getting students blogging can be a good way of motivating them to work on their English between lessons #ELTchat >>agree |
2:09 pm |
tarabenwell: |
RT @esolcourses: encouraging learners who don't have access to PCs to keep a journal, is another option #ELTchat |
2:09 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @cybraryman1: taught Consumerism (I took students to local store): http://bit.ly/8AG5rE -> But was that in EFL or ESL context? #ELTchat |
2:09 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @efl101: should do little and often 20mins a day better than 5 hours on Sunday evening #eltchat |
2:09 pm |
rliberni: |
@cybraryman1 I used to get my stds to create opportunities - asking questions in shops etc.. #eltchat |
2:10 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@esolcourses Before the Internet was so big I used to recommend address books for keeping personal dictionaries and notes. #ELTchat |
2:10 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @englishraven: RT @efl101: should do little and often 20mins a day better than 5 hours on Sunday evening #eltchat |
2:10 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @DaveDodgson: How can we create opportunities 4 students to use their English outside of class? #eltchat (Hard in non-Eng speaking land) |
2:10 pm |
motherchina: |
in online environments, we could use the tools that they are alreay using outside the classroom #ELTchat |
2:10 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @BloggersELT: RT @esolcourses: Getting students blogging a good way of motivating them to work on their English between lessons #ELTchat |
2:10 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @englishraven: RT @esolcourses: *1 size fits all* hmwk approach isn't motivational #ELTChat < suggestions imp as guidance and choices 2 |
2:10 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@chriscattaneo @efl101 #ELTchat key is tap into what they already love doing/learning in their own L1s |
2:10 pm |
rliberni: |
@englishraven I agree even 5 minutes! #eltchat |
2:10 pm |
Britsmiles: |
RT @Britsmiles: Has to be a meaningful experience outside the classroom as well as inside £ELTChat ooops #ELTChat |
2:10 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @tarabenwell: Before the Internet was so big I used to recommend address books for keeping personal dictionaries and notes. #ELTchat |
2:11 pm |
tarabenwell: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @chriscattaneo @efl101 #ELTchat key is tap into what they already love doing/learning in their own L1s |
2:11 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @rliberni: RT @englishraven: RT @efl101: should do little and often 20mins a day better than 5 hours on Sunday evening #eltchat |
2:11 pm |
efl101: |
@esolcourses yep, agree, should it be checked though? #eltchat |
2:11 pm |
motherchina: |
@ Jason right, we shld differentiate ESL from EFL context #ELTchat |
2:11 pm |
cybraryman1: |
@englishraven Did you see the links to Shopping Lessons & Shopping Vocabulary?http://bit.ly/8AG5rE #ELTchat |
2:11 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @motherchina: in online environments, we could use the tools that they are alreay using outside the classroom #ELTchat (Tell us more) |
2:12 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @cerirhiannon: giving recognition in class - sharing resources between ss helps motivate too #ELTchat |
2:12 pm |
esolcourses: |
@olafelch I don't tend to use the "H" word with s's either - usually present it as follow on exercises and/or prep for next week #ELTchat |
2:12 pm |
englishraven: |
@kalinagoenglish @tarabenwell blogs or paper-based journals are great for homing in on Ss' personal interests #ELTChat |
2:12 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @tarabenwell: RT @kalinagoenglish: @chriscattaneo @efl101 #ELTchat key is tap into what they already love doing/learning in their own L1s |
2:13 pm |
cybraryman1: |
@englishraven Any field trip can be adapted to the group and needs of the students you give the experience to. #ELTchat |
2:13 pm |
motherchina: |
Most of my students are already using FB, networking with them then is easier than creating an entirely new social platform #ELTchat |
2:13 pm |
esolcourses: |
@efl101 I think if you are setting online exercises then you should select ones that have feedback built in... #ELTchat |
2:13 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
one problem is, some students see English as 'work' & don't want it encroaching on their free time! #eltchat |
2:13 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @LukeMeddings: Persistence is key-building good habits.Rewarding modest return & encouraging more.Trying again.Smiling! #eltchat |
2:13 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@englishraven Yes! And on MyEC learners are creating their own groups based on personal interests such as cooking, anime, POETRY #ELTchat |
2:14 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @DaveDodgson: one problem is, some students see English as 'work' & don't want it encroaching on their free time! Good pt! #eltchat |
2:14 pm |
efl101: |
@englishraven should the journals be checked do you think? #eltchat |
2:14 pm |
englishraven: |
@cybraryman1 Was interested in your example (going to the store), because I have done that in EFL contexts #ELTChat |
2:14 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @DaveDodgson: one problem is, some students see English as 'work' & don't want it encroaching on their free time! #eltchat |
2:14 pm |
esolcourses: |
@BloggersELT: Not every ss wants to sit around in front computer ] agreed - which is why we should give students options #ELTchat |
2:14 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@DaveDodgson So if the "H" worod spells work then some motivation is needed @esolcourses#eltchat #ELTchat |
2:15 pm |
BloggersELT: |
RT @tarabenwell: @englishraven Yes! And on MyEC learners r creating own groups based on personal interests such as cooking, anime #ELTchat |
2:15 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@DaveDodgson maybe help them find ways to use "dead time" instead? ipod on the bus7jogging, guided reader on the train ... #ELTchat |
2:15 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson Is this an issue of creating a work-ethic? #eltchat |
2:15 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @cerirhiannon: giving recognition in class - sharing resources between ss helps motivate too #ELTchat |
2:15 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
@esolcourses Don´t think problem lies w/ the "H" word, rather it´s what we ask them to do. Has to be meaningful or serve a purpose. #ELTChat |
2:15 pm |
englishraven: |
@tarabenwell The MyEC is a great resource/platform for out of class activity - can you give us a nice link? :-) #ELTChat |
2:15 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@efl101 Sometimes we need to just let them practise. #ELTchat |
2:16 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: @DaveDodgson Is this an issue of creating a work-ethic? #eltchat |
2:16 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@bcnpaul1 Using Jing like that works really well #eltchat |
2:16 pm |
englishraven: |
@efl101 I think journal 'checking' should be negotiated between T and individual Ss... #ELTChat |
2:16 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@cerirhiannon @DaveDodgson .not sure about the idea of using "dead-time" it generally seems to work for only a few weeks #ELTchat |
2:16 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
get 'em to email writing- use jing to mark it & email back to 'em. they listen, change it & send it back- all done b4 nxt class #ELTChat |
2:16 pm |
meggoos: |
Is anyone teaching elementary school ESL students? How do you promote learning outside of school? #eltchat |
2:16 pm |
rkiker: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @tarabenwell: Encourage your students to create a PLN for homework. #ELTchat - I like this idea |
2:16 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @efl101: @englishraven should the journals b checked do u think? #eltchat -> How abt using them as dialogue logs? btwn T and ST or ST/ST? |
2:16 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C So student choice is important. Suggestions for learning outside class should be just that - not homework in disguise! #eltchat |
2:17 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@vbenevolofranca Oh-is it the H word now?:) Invite people to gather scraps of language,experience,make class the shared scrapbook #eltchat |
2:17 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @olafelch: @DaveDodgson Is this an issue of creating a work-ethic? #eltchat - yes I think so and building learner Independence |
2:17 pm |
BloggersELT: |
@DaveDodgson actually my students tend not to want to have comments - at least not until they are confident with what writing #ELTchat |
2:17 pm |
Britsmiles: |
RT @Britsmiles: L must have a (personal) incentive and therefore an interest. Agree to tapping into what they already like to do L1 #ELTChat |
2:17 pm |
englishraven: |
@vbenevolofranca @esolcourses I used to make a point of calling it "Homeproject" - not "Homework" :-) #ELTChat |
2:17 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @meggoos: Is anyone teaching elementary school ESL students? How do you promote learning outside of school? #eltchat |
2:17 pm |
efl101: |
@cecilialcoelho journals as dialogue - nice idea, like that a lot #eltchat |
2:17 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
Also - always ask them to prepare sthg for a mini pres. on a topic of their interest for nxt class #ELTChat |
2:18 pm |
esolcourses: |
@vbenevolofranca agree - any work set outside class should always be relevant/purposeful #ELTChat |
2:18 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@kalinagoenglish can sometimes be habit forming - listening to podcasts as you jog is one example for my RL #ELTchat |
2:18 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@englishraven Here's a link to MyEC. ELLs can blog, chat, record voice, create groups, watch video:http://my.englishclub.com/ #ELTchat |
2:18 pm |
meggoos: |
@englishraven I like Homelearning? #ELTChat |
2:18 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @LukeMeddings: Oh-is it the H word now?:) Invite people to gather scraps of language,experience,make class the shared scrapbook #eltchat |
2:18 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
Hmm, like that! RT @englishraven I used to make a point of calling it "Homeproject" - not "Homework" :-) #ELTChat |
2:18 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @bcnpaul1: Also - always ask them to prepare sthg for a mini pres. on a topic of their interest for nxt class #ELTChat |
2:19 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTChat I guess this is a question of motivation and what is learnt inside and outside the classroom is different. |
2:19 pm |
olafelch: |
I have a young girl who is working 2 yrs above her age. Her secret - she chat with Americans on ICQ (The modern form of penfriends) #ELTchat |
2:19 pm |
rliberni: |
@kalinagoenglish I think we can use 'dead' time more effectively by 'delivering ' language e.g with mobile phones, they sign up #eltchat |
2:19 pm |
englishraven: |
Remember also that basic forums (perhaps with privacy settings) are a nice accessible step below full-on S Blogs too! #ELTChat |
2:19 pm |
jgmac1106: |
I think just providing an online space as an extension of class often leads to self motivated learners discussing literature #ELTchat |
2:19 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@efl101 Yes, and we've used blogs as interview tools. Getting to know your PLN. #ELTchat |
2:19 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @englishraven: I used 2 make a pt of calling it "Homeproject" :-) #ELTChat -> U can call a chicken a swam but it will still b a chicken |
2:19 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @LukeMeddings: @vbenevolofranca Invite people 2 gather scraps of lang,experience,make class the shared scrapbook #eltchat |
2:19 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch Or an issue of encouraging voluntary use of English outside class and not 'homework' style tasks? #eltchat |
2:19 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @tarabenwell: Here's a link to MyEC. ELLs can blog, chat, record voice, create groups, watch video: http://my.englishclub.com/ #ELTchat |
2:19 pm |
motherchina: |
Students look at graded 'outside' activity quite differently #ELTchat |
2:20 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden Creating learnenr independence is a good point, but the process can be painful for the teacher. #eltchat |
2:20 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @jgmac1106: I think just providing an online space as an extension of class often leads to self motivated learners #ELTchat / agree |
2:20 pm |
jgmac1106: |
Just be wary of skills outside of classroom and homework. Many times homework assesses nothing but organizational behavior. #ELTchat |
2:20 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
Lead the way w/ ideas stepbystep let sts experiment and report back to othrs w/recommendations.Sts CHOOSE fav ways and blog(share) #eltchat |
2:21 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTChat pictures from real life experience outside the classroom can be useful in relation to scrapbooks. |
2:21 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @Marisa_C: .... make class the shared scrapbook #eltchat >agree, need 2link inside & outside as part of same thing #ELTchat |
2:21 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: Call a chicken a swam but it will still b a chicken -> Perhaps, but simple terms CAN make a difference :-) #ELTChat |
2:21 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson Agree. I almost never grade work done outside the class. #eltchat |
2:21 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@englishraven True. Some of our members still prefer the good ol ESL forums. Surprising.http://www.englishclub.com/esl-forums/ #ELTchat |
2:21 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@olafelch Painful? #eltchat |
2:21 pm |
meggoos: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @jgmac1106: I think just providing an online space as an extension of class often leads to self motivated learners #ELTchat / agree |
2:21 pm |
rliberni: |
Setting up interactive/competitive stuff for stds with leaderboards etc.. can be motivating with the right sdts #eltchat |
2:22 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
RT @kalinagoenglish Idea of collaborative work is attractive & teens do enjoy this. YLE can do this as well, but w/ "facilitator" #ELTChat |
2:22 pm |
esolcourses: |
@efl101: @englishraven I often get s's to peer correct journals - they can also be used to develop work further with glogs, etc #eltchat |
2:22 pm |
BloggersELT: |
@cerirhiannon true - have some students who do (TED) + they love it - but others who started +did only 4 a few weeks #ELTchat |
2:22 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@cerirhiannon true - have some students who do (TED) + they love it - but others who started +did only 4 a few weeks #ELTchat |
2:22 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @jgmac1106: providing online space as an extension of class leads to self motivated learners #ELTchat / agree if/when ss can access it |
2:22 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @olafelch: @DaveDodgson Agree. I almost never grade work done outside the class. #eltchat - Demotivating Ss if you do? |
2:22 pm |
englishraven: |
@bcnpaul1 Not sure I did... But an online diary of some sort is a great, empowering tool for Ss, for sure! #ELTChat |
2:22 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@englishraven was it you who sent link to online diary - i wantt my sts to give that a try #ELTChat |
2:22 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @englishraven: Perhaps, but simple terms CAN make a difference :-) Agree it CAN make a diff 4 some ppl #ELTChat |
2:22 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@olafelch cool idea #ELTchat |
2:23 pm |
efl101: |
#paper vocab flash cards? Anki - PC flashcards for vocab? boring a bit but words, words, words - again 5-10 mins a day maybe #eltchat |
2:23 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTChat Does anyone prepare homework in a similar fashion of webquest for students? Can this help sts to study outside of class? |
2:23 pm |
rliberni: |
@tarabenwell they probably feel comfortable there - I think the teacher can motivate ss to try new things #eltchat |
2:23 pm |
englishraven: |
@jgmac1106 Forums are great for wider group-based discussion out of class than blogs, I think... #ELTChat |
2:23 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden Yes, like touch typing - things get worse before the benefit shows. Some tchrs get weak and go back to spoon feeding. #eltchat |
2:23 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@efl101 Of course! Here's a link to it. Writing Challenge #13: http://tinyurl.com/ykvgajb #ELTchat |
2:24 pm |
ddeubel: |
Unless highly motivated, very few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark #eltchat |
2:24 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: .... others who started +did only 4 a few weeks #ELTchat < trial and error till they find what works for them? #ELTchat |
2:24 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @Marisa_C @tarabenwell: Here's link to MyEC. ELLs blog, chat, record voice, cr8 groups, watch video: http://my.englishclub.com/ #ELTchat |
2:24 pm |
englishraven: |
@cecilialcoelho I think key point may be - do the Ts really regard it as a swan, or a dressed up chicken? #ELTChat |
2:24 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @ddeubel: Unless highly motivated, very few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark sad but true! #eltchat |
2:25 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olfatech Things Ss do outside class with English should be discussed with a focus on content. I only ever grade FoF work #eltchat |
2:25 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @ddeubel: Unless highly motivated, very few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark #eltchat |
2:25 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @ddeubel: Unless highly motivated, few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark #eltchat >>think that's cultural? |
2:25 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@rliberni We have a few volunteer moderators (ELLs) who have formed a welcoming committee. #ELTchat |
2:25 pm |
olafelch: |
@Marisa_C Not demotivating, but to be honest, I don't know who did the work. The kids know that prep means good chances in class. #eltchat |
2:25 pm |
ddeubel: |
I second the comment about "competition" / "interaction. #eltchat |
2:25 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
@Marisa_C @kalinagoenglish Scraps become stimulus and that's when inside&outside merge like @cerirhiannon says - daylong learning! #ELTChat |
2:25 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @Marisa_C: I almst never grade work done outs.the class. - Demotivat. Ss if you do? / Think so, bt some SS like it 2. Ask them? #eltchat |
2:26 pm |
englishraven: |
@ddeubel Good point. I don't see any problem at all with using grades to motivate out of class work - if it's needed. #ELTChat |
2:26 pm |
motherchina: |
@ddeubel that's so true. where's the authenticiy in doing outside activities if they're graded #ELTchat |
2:26 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Looks like everyone is assuming/equating online work with motivation! #ELTchat |
2:26 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
@ddeubel Agree, sometimes difficult to motivate. Often find this depends on age range & task objective. Adults more diff than teens?#ELTChat |
2:26 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: Looks like everyone is assuming/equating online work with motivation! #ELTchat#eltchat |
2:27 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @englishraven: do the Ts really regard it as a swan, or a dressed up chicken? -> Dressed up chicken in my guess. #ELTChat |
2:27 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@olafelch true, but I think a lot of teachers don't try though, they just expect sts to do things then r surprised when they dont #ELTChat |
2:27 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@englishraven @ceciliahcoelho maybe the prob is getting the Ts to substitute the chicken for a swan ? #ELTchat |
2:27 pm |
englishraven: |
@olafelch Out of class tasks that focus on previewing or preparing for an actual class usually work better than follow-ups #ELTChat |
2:27 pm |
motherchina: |
@olafelch I usually ask Sts to provide me a list of who did what #ELTchat |
2:27 pm |
lclandfield: |
@Marisa_C Interesting point (hello everyone) about online = motivating. I agree with you that it doesn't. Have just joined btw #ELTchat |
2:27 pm |
olafelch: |
@kalinagoenglish It's certainly true in Germany. ;o) #eltchat |
2:27 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
@englishraven @ddeubel but only if sts are expecting grading...#eltchat |
2:27 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @rliberni: Unless highly motivated, V few students will do anything unless it counts towards a mark sad but true! - > Agree 100% #eltchat |
2:27 pm |
drtimony: |
would prob sub 'highly' for 'differently' RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @ddeubel: Unless highly motivated #eltchat >>think that's cultural? |
2:27 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
We should also consider how we ourselves learned our own L2s - sometimes we come up with ideas we would never do to learn ourselves #ELTchat |
2:28 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @cerirhiannon not "all" students are into listening to material - or into organization involved (podcasts etc) #ELTchat |
2:28 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @Marisa_C: Looks like everyone is assuming/equating online work with motivation! #ELTchat - we have to look at non-online as well! |
2:28 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @kalinagoenglish not "all" students are into listening to material /downloading podcasts etc #ELTchat - absolutely - need choice ... |
2:28 pm |
mattscully: |
Perhaps student motivation is more about the system they are plugged into than the students themselves. #eltchat |
2:28 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@ddeubel I highly disagree. A comment or friendly note from an English teacher means more than any mark in my experience. #ELTchat |
2:28 pm |
rliberni: |
@chriscattaneo I think all these things (online) take time and need a lot of patience.I've run many a chat session with myself! #eltchat |
2:28 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @olafelch true, but I think a lot of teachers don't try though, they just expect sts to do things then r surprised when they dont #ELTChat |
2:28 pm |
motherchina: |
@Shaunwilden I don't expect them to do anything if they're not graded- only motvated sts do the extra work #ELTchat |
2:29 pm |
lekpen: |
RT @paulmaglione: RT @EnglishAttack: French pop music finds its voice w/ English language lyrics. #efl #esl #eltchat #english http://bit.ly/a6tv1b |
2:29 pm |
lclandfield: |
Apologies if this is repeating what came earlier, but could collaborative project = more motivating outside class? #ELTchat |
2:29 pm |
olafelch: |
@Shaunwilden Very true. I moved from a culture where people did prep work to one where they didn't. I still don't understand why. #ELTChat |
2:29 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @englishraven:Out of class tasks that focus on previewing or preparing for an actual class usually work better than follow-ups #ELTChat |
2:29 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@kalinagoenglish #ELTchat & guidance 2 explore choices and find the right ones - and also to keep it fresh and varied (tall order?) |
2:29 pm |
ddeubel: |
I think works best and like the idea of connecting with an english classroom #eltchat |
2:30 pm |
cybraryman1: |
Connect students online. Penpals. Used to do that with email & started from Email Around the World project: http://bit.ly/adSn3u #ELTchat |
2:30 pm |
jgmac1106: |
@Marica_C still we could b contributing to a false dichotomy. outside lrng can b done unplugged. Believe online makes it easier. #eltchat |
2:30 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
tasks can still be motivating even if they involve a grade #ELTChat |
2:30 pm |
meggoos: |
@ddeubel I had a class of 15 7yr olds last year-beg of year only 3 ss used our class website at end of year all but one or two. #eltchat |
2:30 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
@Shaunwilden true. I did look at projects for sts to complete but there must be a reward for sts. What is a good reward? #ELTChat |
2:30 pm |
seanbanville: |
#ELTchat Congratulations to all ELTchat organisers on inaugural (and successful) chat - just arrived :-) |
2:30 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @Marisa_C: online = motivation! - I assume effective learning requires motiv. Extra work too, even more motivation needed #ELTchat |
2:31 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
exploring possibilities in class and discussing preferred style and realistic times and schedules - not piling on the guilt #ELTchat |
2:31 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @seanbanville: #ELTchat Congratulations to all ELTchat organisers on inaugural (and successful) chat - just arrived :-) #eltchat |
2:31 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@Shaunwilden Yes, online is easy access but not to everyone - I teach refugees who have no homes even #ELTchat |
2:31 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @lclandfield: could collaborative project = more motivating outside class? -> Can depend a lot on project & group, I think #ELTchat |
2:31 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
RT @esolcourses: don't set webquests, but I upload activities to my site for students to work on between lessons - works more ... #ELTchat |
2:31 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
?@rliberni:I think all these things (online)take time and need a lot of patience.I've run many a chat session with myself! #eltchat LOL |
2:31 pm |
Britsmiles: |
Not all L's (age, culture?) interested in online learning much as we might like them to be #ELTChat |
2:31 pm |
jgmac1106: |
RT @mattscully: Perhaps student motivation is more about the system they are plugged into than the students themselves. #eltchat |
2:31 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@kalinagoenglish That is definitely a challenge! No st blog left behind...#ELTchat |
2:32 pm |
seanbanville: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: students also find it demotivating not to have work they've done looked at 4 feedback #ELTchat |
2:32 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @cerirhiannon: @englishraven getting Ts to substitute the chicken for a swan ?-> Find the swan within your teaching? Catchy! #ELTchat |
2:32 pm |
olafelch: |
@englishraven I agree completely. (Though I'm fond of giving the kids their own work back to correct). They're actually good at it) #ELTChat |
2:32 pm |
lclandfield: |
@englishraven Yes. I was thinking about homework I found motivating at uni. #ELTchat |
2:32 pm |
rliberni: |
I love the idea of collaborative tasks - they work as you hand over responsibility to the group! #eltchat |
2:32 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden not everyone has internet access at home (even in Germany!) #ELTchat |
2:32 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
RT @rliberni: RT @seanbanville: #ELTchat Congratulations to all ELTchat organisers on inaugural (and successful) chat - just arrived :-) #eltchat |
2:33 pm |
englishraven: |
Just remember - if this all seems too fast and dislocated #ELTChat we have a round up later! Grab onto whatever thread interests you! |
2:33 pm |
motherchina: |
@ELTExperiences Good reward is when other people (students/teachers) akwnowledged the work they did e.g. blog comments #ELTchat |
2:33 pm |
lclandfield: |
@kalinagoenglish @tarabenwell In my case, it's more no composition or essay left behind! #ELTchat |
2:33 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden not everyone has internet access at home (even in Germany!) #ELTchat #eltchat |
2:33 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@ELTExperiences: What is a good reward? #ELTChat Why does there need to be a reward? |
2:33 pm |
englishraven: |
@lclandfield Yes, if there was a good classroom rapport/environment, collaborative out of class tasks usually worked #ELTChat |
2:33 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden not everyone has internet access at home (even in Germany!) #ELTchat |
2:33 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
Don´t think motivation = online. Sometimes even teenagers resist online - but find anything involving social interaction motivates. #ELTChat |
2:33 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
RT @motherchina: @ELTExperiences Good reward is when other people (students/teachers) akwnowledged the work they did e.g. blog comments #ELTchat |
2:33 pm |
Britsmiles: |
RT @seanbanville: RT @kalinagoenglish: students also find it demotivating not to have work they've done looked at 4 feedback #ELTchat |
2:33 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: I think online activities *can* be motivational, but it isn't a given - care needs 2 go into selecting them #ELTchat |
2:34 pm |
lclandfield: |
@rliberni Hopefully the group polices itself a bit more. But this depends on age. I'm thinking of adults right now. #ELTchat |
2:34 pm |
englishraven: |
@lclandfield Which reminds me - the link between classroom environment and out of class work can be SO important! #ELTChat |
2:34 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@lclandfield interesting idea - collaborative projects - outside of class time :-) #ELTchat |
2:34 pm |
EveWeb: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @Marisa_C @DaveDodgson @ddeubel @olafelch I do grade work done outside of class, specifically online work. #ELTChat |
2:34 pm |
seanbanville: |
RT @esolcourses: I think online activities *can* be motivational, but it isn't a given - care needs 2 go into selecting them #ELTchat |
2:35 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @SeanBanville: @kalinagoenglish: SS also find it demotivating not 2 hv feedback -> Feedback's d oxygen of motivation & learning #ELTchat |
2:35 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @tarabenwell: @ddeubel I highly disagree. Comment or friendly note from English teacher means more than mark in my experience. #ELTchat |
2:35 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @ELTExperiences: What is a good reward? #ELTChat Why does there need to be a reward? |
2:35 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @lclandfield interesting idea - collaborative projects - outside of class time :-) #ELTchat |
2:35 pm |
seanbanville: |
Select / make materials based on topics they talk about in their L1 - a motivating difference to Anglocentric materials #ELTchat |
2:35 pm |
englishraven: |
@Shaunwilden That's why I like to focus on previewing and preparing tasks... reward eventuates in readiness for actual class time! #ELTChat |
2:35 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
re grading/not grading - set up a system 4 teens who decided which tasks they to submit 4 grading, needed a min of 4 per month #ELTchat |
2:36 pm |
ddeubel: |
with projects, out of class work - , I also think the more control you give Ss, the more they will do it and partake in it. #eltchat |
2:36 pm |
rliberni: |
@lclandfield adults can also be guilty of attrition in a task #eltchat |
2:36 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @esolcourses: I think online activities *can* be motivational, but not a given - care needs 2 go into selecting them #ELTchat |
2:36 pm |
BloggersELT: |
RT @Britsmiles: Not all L's interested in online learning much as we might like them to be #ELTChat>>varies lots! Some love it, others... |
2:36 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
I think 'guidance' & 'choice' (lots of both) are key to get students using English outside the classroom #eltchat |
2:36 pm |
toefl_teacher: |
RT @seanbanville: Select / make materials based on topics they talk about in their L1 - a motivating difference to Anglocentric materials #ELTchat |
2:36 pm |
meggoos: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @tarabenwell: @ddeubel I highly disagree. Comment or friendly note from English teacher means more than mark in my experience. #ELTchat |
2:36 pm |
tarabenwell: |
RT @kalinagoenglish @lclandfield - collaborative projects - outside of class time #ELTchat Let's make a list of ideas #ELTchat |
2:36 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @seanbanville: Select / make materials based on topics they talk about in their L1 - a motivating difference to Anglocentric materials #ELTchat |
2:36 pm |
lclandfield: |
RT @kalinagoenglish Comment orfriendly note from English teacher means more than mark in my experience. - Many times yes not always #ELTchat |
2:36 pm |
esolcourses: |
I tend not to set online quizzes for students that don't give hints & feedback - Learners need to know *why* they get Q's wrong #ELTchat |
2:37 pm |
seanbanville: |
My Arab students so appreciative of English materials addressing Arab learners - Noticeable increase in motivation to read - #ELTchat |
2:37 pm |
rliberni: |
@olafelch in the business world I find the biggest problem is time to do anything! #eltchat |
2:37 pm |
tarabenwell: |
RT @seanbanville: Select / make materials based on topics they talk about in their L1 - a motivating difference to Anglocentric materials #ELTchat |
2:37 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
I like 2 squeeze out of them 1 way we can actually/practically hv SS use their Eng. 2day - none of the "it's important 4 my future" #eltchat |
2:37 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @esolcourses: care needs 2 go into selecting them #ELTchat < as with all materials/activities and with the same criteria |
2:37 pm |
motherchina: |
@kalinagoenglish got lots of examples e.g. E-zine, Pubic service ads/commercials, #ELTchat |
2:37 pm |
BloggersELT: |
@Britsmiles #ELTchat but my forays showing it's NOT age specific at all... some 50+ year olds think it's great, 28y.o who was overwhelmed. |
2:37 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @kalinagoenglish Comment orfriendly note from English teacher means more than mark in my experience. - Many times yes not always #ELTchat |
2:37 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@EveWeb Project work should be part of a process writing sequence - end product should not be graded in my view - #ELTChat |
2:37 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@EveWeb especially piblicly #ELTChat |
2:38 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @ddeubel: with projects, out of class work - , I also think the more control you give Ss, the more they will do it and partake in it. #eltchat |
2:38 pm |
olafelch: |
@rliberni Or actually convincing them that they really do have the time! ;o) #eltchat |
2:38 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
Agree! RT @ddeubel w/ projects,out of class work think the more control you give Ss, the more they will do it and partake in it #eltcHAT |
2:38 pm |
motherchina: |
@EveWeb me too. 'call them task/projects complete with rubrics #ELTchat |
2:38 pm |
lclandfield: |
I don't have that much of a problem with motivational potential of marks. There is a carrot and there is a stick. Both can work #ELTchat |
2:38 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @seanbanville: My Arab students so appreciative of English materials addressing Arab learners - Noticeable increase in motivation to read - #ELTchat |
2:38 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTchat Should rewards for young learners differ to adults? If so, how? I mostly teach teenagers, motivation to learn is different. |
2:39 pm |
BloggersELT: |
@lclandfield @englishraven -link betw classroom enviro. + classwork imp - that's why online communities with learners are great! #ELTchat |
2:39 pm |
olafelch: |
@EveWeb Do you use #Moodle? #ELTchat |
2:39 pm |
Marisa_C: |
C@Marisa_C Could we move to types of activities for the different language skills pls? #ELTChatIdeas for SPEAKING? |
2:39 pm |
motherchina: |
@SeanBanville agree- what's the point of having them done, eh? #ELTchat |
2:39 pm |
lclandfield: |
Thinking as a learner, marks motivated me and... thinks... not always in a bad way. #ELTchat |
2:39 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @olafelch: Comment or friendly note from English T means + than mark in my exp. - Many times yes not always - Most times IMHO! #ELTchat |
2:40 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @SeanBanville: My Arab students so appreciative of English materials addressing Arab learners #ELTchat personalisation/localistion so imp |
2:40 pm |
lclandfield: |
@BloggersELT @englishraven Agree the link is very important. Crucial almost. #ELTchat |
2:40 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@DaveDodgson definitely - not grades but responding to the content style, intelligence of remark and opinion = good feedback 2 #ELTchat |
2:40 pm |
englishraven: |
Making out of class tasks as realistic and relevant as possible is a real priority, I think #ELTChat |
2:40 pm |
motherchina: |
@DaveDodgson right, not just the number of postings, numbers can be deceiving #ELTchat |
2:40 pm |
olafelch: |
@lclandfield Carrot and stick - very true, and not just in secondary schools. Adults need it too sometimes. #ELTchat |
2:40 pm |
seanbanville: |
@rliberni I've made materials on the latest Arab singers - my students' faces light up - #ELTchat |
2:40 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
definitely think projects that have a link between in and out of cl is a good idea- #ELTChat |
2:40 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat does anyone use Skype or messenger for sts? Do you setup a skype group to communicate to sts? |
2:41 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @lclandfield interesting idea - collaborative projects - outside of class time :-) -> Like that too... Ideas?#ELTchat |
2:41 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @seanbanville My Arab students so appreciative of English materials addressing Arab learners-Noticeable increase in motivation- #ELTchat |
2:41 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @englishraven: Making out of class tasks as realistic and relevant as possible is a real priority, I think #ELTChat > agree |
2:41 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
RT @ddeubel: with projects, out of class work - , I also think the more control you give Ss, the more they will do it and partake in it. #eltchat |
2:41 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C #ELTchat does anyone use Skype or messenger for sts? Do you setup a skype group to communicate to sts? |
2:41 pm |
EveWeb: |
I do not publish my students' online project until it has been corrected and it is ready. They need feedback RT @Marisa_C #ELTChat |
2:41 pm |
englishraven: |
@cecilialcoelho Take a breath, take your time, don't try to gobble every morsel :-) #ELTChat |
2:41 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @englishraven: Making out of class tasks as realistic and relevant as possible is a real priority, I think #ELTChat |
2:41 pm |
lclandfield: |
Collaborative project list idea #1: poster sessions (paper or powerpoint) of topic ss choose and then present. #ELTchat |
2:41 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@BloggersELT Wouldn't it be fun if a classroom of English learners could adopt a disconnected learner from MyEC? #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
asking students to suggest how they think they'd like to follow up the class can work too #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@ELTExperiences I think @englishraven runs his site 4 TOEFLrs through Skype or Voxopop (?) #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
cybraryman1: |
RT @englishraven: Making out of class tasks as realistic and relevant as possible is a real priority, I think #ELTChat |
2:42 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @DaveDodgson definitely - not grades but responding to the content style, intelligence of remark and opinion = good feedback 2 #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
olafelch: |
@ELTExperiences All of my sts (both in schools and in business can reach me by chat over #moodle. A lot of them use it. #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
seanbanville: |
@cerirhiannon Exactly - most coursebook materials can be mirrored using a localized topic - much better interest from stdnts - #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
tarabenwell: |
RT @cerirhiannon: asking students to suggest how they think they'd like to follow up the class can work too #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @tarabenwell: @BloggersELT Wouldn't it be fun if a classroom of English learners could adopt a disconnected learner from MyEC? #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
lclandfield: |
Collaborative project list idea #2: students in pairs make video of something (themselves, or simply narrating something filmed) #ELTchat |
2:42 pm |
Amandalanguage: |
Trying 2 achieve continuous cycle of stuff done in n out of class - stdts bring work generated/found outside n we value it inside #ELTchat |
2:43 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @EveWeb: I do not publish my students' online project until it has been corrected and it is ready. They need feedback #ELTChat Agree |
2:43 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@kalinagoenglish Plus it lets them know you are interested. That alone is motivation to do more #eltchat |
2:43 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTchat I should've charged my iPhone for this discussion. Battery is low. |
2:43 pm |
englishraven: |
@Marisa_C For speaking - can't beat #Voxopop http://bit.ly/gke7M for out of class speaking activities! #ELTChat |
2:43 pm |
ddeubel: |
Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat |
2:43 pm |
seanbanville: |
@lclandfield Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat |
2:43 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat |
2:43 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@ELTExperiences personally I wouldn't -would never get off computer Must have life too - working on Ning means I still own my time #ELTchat |
2:43 pm |
motherchina: |
real time results on hold ? #ELTchat |
2:43 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
RT @olafelch: @ELTExperiences All of my sts (both in schools and in business can reach me by chat over #moodle. A lot of them use it. #ELTchat |
2:43 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@tarabenwell @cerirhiannon #ELTchat Giving our students choice is an important step to autonomy - which also need to be gradual |
2:44 pm |
EveWeb: |
I do use voice tools, although I teach reading. RT @Marisa_C: RT @ELTExperiences: @Marisa_C#ELTchat does anyone use Skype.... #ELTChat |
2:44 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
RT @ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat |
2:44 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @englishraven: @Marisa_C For speaking - can't beat #Voxopop http://bit.ly/gke7M for out of class speaking activities! #ELTChat |
2:44 pm |
englishraven: |
@kalinagoenglish I manage 400+ online students through Voxopop, a forum and everything live (chat/voice/video) is through Google #ELTChat |
2:44 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @tarabenwell: RT @cerirhiannon: asking students to suggest how they'd like to follow up the class can work too #ELTchat |
2:44 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
We've had great success @ motivating teen SS w/ a digistorytelling pjct where they do everything, from script 2 filming & editing. #eltchat |
2:44 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @rliberni: RT @ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat |
2:44 pm |
motherchina: |
@Marisa_C and with their permission of course, #ELTchat |
2:44 pm |
lclandfield: |
Collaborative project list idea #3: a joint presentation (business) or drama sketch #ELTchat |
2:44 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
RT @Amandalanguage: Trying 2 achieve continuous cycle of stuff done in n out of class - stdts bring work generated/found outside n we value it inside #ELTchat |
2:44 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @lclandfield: Thinking as a learner, marks motivated me and not always in a bad way. #ELTchat>> interesting - not me! |
2:44 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @seanbanville: @lclandfield Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat +1 |
2:44 pm |
yy26: |
RT @cybraryman1: Connect students online. Penpals. Used to do that with email & started from Email Around the World project: http://bit.ly/adSn3u #ELTchat |
2:45 pm |
ddeubel: |
RT @lclandfield: Collaborative project list idea #2: students in pairs make video of something (themselves, or simply narrating something filmed) #ELTchat |
2:45 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @motherchina: @Marisa_C and with their permission of course, #ELTchat | Absolutely! :-) |
2:45 pm |
EveWeb: |
Yes, I do use Moodle. RT @olafelch: @EveWeb Do you use #Moodle? #ELTchat |
2:45 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTchat I've found that uploading a roleplay to YouTube can be useful. Especially if the project is prepared by sts at home. |
2:45 pm |
lclandfield: |
@Marisa_C Have also used voicethread, it's good. #ELTchat |
2:45 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Explicit in class discussion of ways of learning outside class is aways a good idea too. Students often have the best ideas! #eltchat |
2:45 pm |
englishraven: |
Doing lots of grading or feedback for out of class work is making a rod for your own back... Disincentive for teachers #ELTChat |
2:45 pm |
esolcourses: |
@olafelch @ELTExperiences I don't use moodle, but I keep in touch with students via text & email between lessons #ELTchat |
2:45 pm |
cybraryman1: |
RT @olafelch: RT @seanbanville: @lclandfield Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat +1 |
2:46 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@DaveDodgson agreed #ELTchat |
2:46 pm |
lclandfield: |
@kalinagoenglish Marks sure as hell motivate my children (not my doing!) This may change as they get older. #ELTchat |
2:46 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
How about having SS have recorded dialogues back and forth? Maybe let them find a partner, rec. audio, send, respond, exchange? #eltchat |
2:46 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @ELTExperiences: #ELTchat I've found uploading a roleplay to YouTube can be useful. Esp if project is prepared by sts at home-nice idea |
2:46 pm |
rliberni: |
Some spking ideas - for individuals but some could work 4 gps http://bit.ly/a4tN8D #eltchat |
2:46 pm |
olafelch: |
@lclandfield We do a lot of joint presentations in our school, and some kids really blossom through it. #ELTchat |
2:47 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
@DaveDodgson @kalinagoenglish But only T as 'audience' is very limiting especially over time. Ie what happens when course finished? #ELTchat |
2:47 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@lclandfield @englishraven #ELTchat Voice tools seem popular and hear positive comments here |
2:47 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @olafelch: RT @seanbanville: @lclandfield Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat >>agreed |
2:47 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
Had a lot of success doing PKs with teenagers - helped that it was collaborative with other classes - more motivating #ELTChat |
2:47 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @lclandfield: marks motivated me and not always in a bad way. #ELTchat>> interesting - not me! < I'm with lindsay |
2:47 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @rliberni: Some spking ideas - for individuals but some could work 4 gps http://bit.ly/a4tN8D#eltchat |
2:47 pm |
rliberni: |
@olafelch trying to add this feature to my site but mainly for ROI!! #eltchat |
2:47 pm |
lclandfield: |
@englishraven Students can help mark too, in some cases. Excess is bad, but marking is a part of teaching too. #ELTchat |
2:48 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @cybraryman1: RT @olafelch: RT @seanbanville: Agree - student choice of topic usually a surefire ingredient for success #ELTchat +1 |
2:48 pm |
Amandalanguage: |
@seanbanville whoops forget to add #ELTchat - |
2:48 pm |
englishraven: |
I gave automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades if they responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays. Effect = amazing... #ELTChat |
2:48 pm |
olafelch: |
Has anyone tried setting up a clinic on Facebook.? Been working on the idea for a while now. Any experiences? #ELTchat |
2:48 pm |
NewsNeus: |
RT @seanbanville: @rliberni I've made materials on the latest Arab singers - my students' faces light up - #ELTchat |
2:48 pm |
tarabenwell: |
I've had more success with motivation since using the word "challenge" for online assignments.http://tinyurl.com/2e53oxe #ELTchat |
2:48 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @ddeubel: Voicethreads for speaking, on fav. singers/songs/music. I've had success with that. #eltchat Me too - works well, esp. with YLs |
2:48 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTchat I need to look at voice tools. What's the website/link? |
2:48 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @bcnpaul1: Had a lot of success doing PKs with teenagers - helped that it was collaborative with other classes - more motivating #ELTChat |
2:48 pm |
chriscattaneo: |
RT @englishraven: I gave automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades if they responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays. Effect = amazing... #ELTChat |
2:49 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Have also used PKs with Ss - great for sustained talk! #ELTChat#eltchat |
2:49 pm |
englishraven: |
Example for realistic/relevant - had my Ss find and contact real tour companies overseas for 'dream trips'. #ELTChat |
2:49 pm |
EveWeb: |
Definitively, topics that are of SS interest guarantee interaction, maybe not accuracy, but communication. #ELTchat |
2:49 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @englishraven: Doing lots of grading or f/back for out of clss work is making a rod for your own back... Disincentive for tchrs #ELTChat |
2:49 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @olafelch: @lclandfield We do a lot of joint presentations in our school, and some kids really blossom through it. #ELTchat Great! |
2:49 pm |
ddeubel: |
michael stout always has some great ideas for out of class stuff. Some here. http://bit.ly/cqOd1b#eltchat |
2:50 pm |
tarabenwell: |
Love that RT @englishraven Gvae automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades if they responded (genuinely) to all mates' online essays. #ELTChat |
2:50 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @ddeubel: michael stout always has some great ideas for out of class stuff. Some here.http://bit.ly/cqOd1b #eltchat |
2:50 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTchat what about the listening skill for sts. How can teachers motivate sts to improve? |
2:50 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@olafelch What do you mean by 'clinic' I use the term for tutorials myself - you? #ELTchat |
2:50 pm |
ddeubel: |
RT @englishraven: I gave automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades if they responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays. Effect = amazing... #ELTChat |
2:50 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @rliberni: RT @Marisa_C: @bcnpaul1 Have also used PKs with Ss - great for sustained talk! #ELTChat #eltchat |
2:50 pm |
seanbanville: |
RT @rliberni: @lclandfield peer marking builds trust within the group which is important too for collaboration #eltchat |
2:50 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @ddeubel: michael stout always has some great ideas for out of class stuff. Some here.http://bit.ly/cqOd1b #eltchat |
2:51 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @englishraven: Ex. 4 realistic/relevant - had Ss find & contact real tour companies overseas 4 'dream trips'. -> Love the idea! #ELTChat |
2:51 pm |
ddeubel: |
Don't send Ss to interview strangers/foreigners on the street. IMHO. #eltchat |
2:51 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
RT @ddeubel: michael stout always has some great ideas for out of class stuff. Some here.http://bit.ly/cqOd1b #eltchat |
2:51 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @englishraven: Example for realistic/relevant - had my Ss find and contact real tour companies overseas for 'dream trips'. #ELTChat |
2:51 pm |
BloggersELT: |
RT @EveWeb: Definitively, topics that are of SS interest guarantee interaction, maybe not accuracy, but communication. #ELTchat |
2:51 pm |
olafelch: |
@englishraven To get away from sts tactical grading, I often get them to predict what I or a colleague will give as a grade. #ELTChat |
2:51 pm |
lclandfield: |
Thought it might be interesting to add some points from Common European Framework on this (don't groan!) #eltchat |
2:52 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@englishraven Great idea to assign small quests like this - Ss should also be taught how to record these conversations #ELTChat |
2:52 pm |
englishraven: |
@kalinagoenglish I start by using them in class (voice tools) then gradually move out of class with it :-) Privacy a key factor #ELTChat |
2:52 pm |
cybraryman1: |
Connect, collaborate: Moodle: http://bit.ly/btO2Oq Voice Thread: http://bit.ly/bvDWPS Skype:http://bit.ly/aQNA10 #ELTchat |
2:52 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ddeubel: Don't send Ss to interview strangers/foreigners on the street. IMHO. #eltchat - Can be done if they go in groups |
2:52 pm |
Amandalanguage: |
Guess students are more motivated if the teacher listening to them or encouraging them is genuinely interested or cares #ELTchat |
2:52 pm |
meggoos: |
@tarabenwell sorry-lost my way in the chat. Most have internet access but not reliable #ELTchat |
2:52 pm |
motherchina: |
wrap time for me folks. thanks for the great conversation.interesting way to chat on twitter, #ELTchat |
2:52 pm |
EveWeb: |
I also do so. It works, he he. RT @englishraven: I gave automatic 10% boost to my uni Ss grades ... Effect = amazing... #ELTChat |
2:52 pm |
olafelch: |
@Marisa_C I mean an hour or so, when the sts can meet me or a colleague online and ask for help and support. #ELTchat |
2:52 pm |
rliberni: |
@ELTExperiences I use a lot of news stuff it's good for adults &older teens, short, authentic and fast ??s short 2 #eltchat |
2:53 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @englishraven: ... uni Ss responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays #ELTChat < need some training in class 1st |
2:53 pm |
motherchina: |
'nite from Taiwan #ELTchat |
2:53 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@ELTExperiences Try sharing a list of podcasts, such as the 30 newest ESL podcasts:http://a4esl.org/podcasts/ #ELTchat |
2:53 pm |
EveWeb: |
RT @cybraryman1: Connect, collaborate: Moodle: http://bit.ly/btO2Oq Voice Thread:http://bit.ly/bvDWPS Skype: http://bit.ly/aQNA10 #ELTchat |
2:53 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@Mtranslator Great idea to connect younger students with same age L1 students #ELTchat |
2:53 pm |
englishraven: |
@Marisa_C They contacted tour operators via email, then presented their enquiry and answer in class. #ELTChat |
2:53 pm |
lclandfield: |
Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:53 pm |
olafelch: |
@motherchina Thanks for dropping in. #ELTchat |
2:53 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher lencouraging them is genuinely interested or cares #ELTchat > so true |
2:53 pm |
seanbanville: |
RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher listening to them or encouraging them is interested or cares #ELTchat |
2:53 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@EveWeb Jus 7 minutes to go till end of #ELTChat Thank you for taking part |
2:53 pm |
ELTExperiences: |
#ELTchat thx for the chat today. I've gotta go but it was great. Thx for sharing your ideas. |
2:54 pm |
lclandfield: |
Teachers then follow up on these goals, set by learners themselves. (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:54 pm |
davidwees: |
@Marisa_C @ddeubel Or at least if it is done in a very public space with an obvious adult standing around as supervisor. #ELTCHAT |
2:54 pm |
NewsNeus: |
@olafelch Motivation might come from Choosing topic/Exchanging oppinions/ Argumenting choices/Sharing results/Acting in real life/#ELTChat |
2:54 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat #eltchat |
2:54 pm |
lclandfield: |
Learners are then encouraged to assess their own progress (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:54 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @lclandfield: Teachers then follow up on these goals, set by learners themselves. (CEF) #ELTchat#eltchat |
2:54 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:54 pm |
esolcourses: |
@lclandfield @englishraven I often feed students' mistakes into online activities, which they can peer/self-correct the next lesson #ELTchat |
2:54 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @lclandfield: Learners are then encouraged to assess their own progress (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:54 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
@rliberni they love it - another idea: sts choose a destination and have to research how to get home for hwk, e.g tokyo to bcn #ELTChat |
2:54 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @lclandfield: Learners are then encouraged to assess their own progress (CEF) #ELTchat#eltchat |
2:54 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:54 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@meggoos Would love to meet them on MyEC. It's free, fun, and a great place for English learners to build their own PLN. #ELTchat |
2:55 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:55 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @englishraven: @Marisa_C contacted tour operators via email, then presented their enquiry and answer ... #ELTChat > did same w/phones |
2:55 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students r + motivated if the T listening 2 them or encouraging them is genuinely interested or cares #ELTchat |
2:55 pm |
seanbanville: |
@Amandalanguage Yes - a teacher constantly on the move interacting much better than a behind-the-desk teacher #ELTchat |
2:55 pm |
NewsNeus: |
Motivation might come from Choosing topic/Exchanging oppinions/ Argumenting choices/Sharing results/Acting in real life/Observing #ELTChat |
2:55 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@davidwees good point an adult looking on in case of younger pupils #ELTCHAT |
2:55 pm |
sllengua: |
RT @seanbanville: RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher listening to them or encouraging them is interested or cares #ELTchat |
2:55 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @esolcourses: @lclandfield @englishraven I often feed students' mistakes into online activities, which they can peer/self-correct the next lesson #ELTchat |
2:55 pm |
olafelch: |
@lclandfield That's great in adult ed, but a kids isn't allowed to say "I am only setting a tiny target." #ELTchat |
2:55 pm |
Amandalanguage: |
RT @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:56 pm |
rliberni: |
@bcnpaul1 I love these authentic tasks a real use of language! #eltchat |
2:56 pm |
avealmec: |
RT @Amandalanguage Guess students r more motivated if the teacher listening to them or encouraging them is genuinely interested #ELTchat |
2:56 pm |
EveWeb: |
Creating an online radio might be of great interest for SS and a great means to develop speaking skills. SS might create podcasts #ELTChat |
2:56 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
Caring, feedback, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem to b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat |
2:56 pm |
englishraven: |
Here's the forum-based reporting my Ss did after contacting real tour companies overseas...http://bit.ly/cUYcVr #ELTChat |
2:56 pm |
avealmec: |
RT @esolcourses @lclandfield: Tchrs can help increase learner autonomy by encouraging learners to set own goals. (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:56 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
2:56 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @lclandfield: Learners are then encouraged to assess their own progress (CEF) #ELTchat |
2:57 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @cerirhiannon: uni Ss responded (genuinely) to all classmates' online essays #ELTChat <need some training in class 1st -> true! #ELTChat |
2:57 pm |
cybraryman1: |
@esolcourses Like your idea. For each test I gave homework was to write question & correct answer to those they got wrong #ELTchat |
2:57 pm |
avealmec: |
RT @EveWeb Creating an online radio might be of great interest for SS and a great means to develop speaking skills. #ELTChat |
2:57 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @englishraven: the forum-based reporting my Ss did after contacting real tour companies overseas... http://bit.ly/cUYcVr #eltchat |
2:57 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @EveWeb: Creating an online radio might be of great interest for SS and a great means to develop speaking skills. #ELTChat |
2:57 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: Caring, feedback, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem to b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat |
2:57 pm |
lclandfield: |
RT @olafelch That's great in adult ed, but a kids isn't allowed to say "I am only setting a tiny target." #ELTchat VERY TRUE. |
2:57 pm |
Amandalanguage: |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
2:57 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
2:57 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @englishraven: Here's the forum-based reporting my Ss did after contacting real tour companies overseas... http://bit.ly/cUYcVr #ELTChat |
2:57 pm |
cybraryman1: |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
2:58 pm |
meggoos: |
@tarabenwell #ELTchat What a coincidence-I come across your EC today for the first time! I'll look into ways of students using it! |
2:58 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @bcnpaul1: @rliberni they love it - another idea: sts choose a destination and have to research how to get home for hwk, e.g tokyo to bcn #ELTChat |
2:58 pm |
seanbanville: |
@ELTExperiences .. or the latest podcasts based on the latest news (several hundred here)http://bit.ly/d0LAsd #ELTchat |
2:58 pm |
EveWeb: |
Thanks so much, Marisa. Great discussion. RT @Marisa_C: @EveWeb Jus 7 minutes to go till end of #ELTChat Thank you for taking part |
2:58 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: Caring f/back, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem 2 b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat |
2:58 pm |
avealmec: |
RT @Marisa_C Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
2:58 pm |
seanbanville: |
RT @esolcourses: I often feed students' mistakes into online activities, which they can peer/self-correct the next lesson #ELTchat |
2:59 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @cecilialcoelho: Caring f/back, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem 2 b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat |
2:59 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
2:59 pm |
Amandalanguage: |
RT @olafelch: RT @cecilialcoelho: Caring f/back, going the extra mile 4 personalization seem 2 b key 2 motivation and meaningful response from SS #eltchat |
2:59 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @seanbanville: @ELTExperiences .. or the latest podcasts based on the latest news (several hundred here) http://bit.ly/d0LAsd #ELTchat |
2:59 pm |
EveWeb: |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
2:59 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
And teachers have to be prepared to use some of their time outside class to help those Ss who are motivated to do extra work. #eltchat |
2:59 pm |
tarabenwell: |
@englishraven That's fantastic! #ELTchat Seriously wish I'd know you back when I taught TOEIC TOEFL. |
3:00 pm |
Marisa_C: |
One minute to go and we haven't touched reading #ELTchat - can I suggest this as a topic for a futute discussion? |
3:00 pm |
rliberni: |
Congratulations on our first #eltchat everyone! thanks to @Olafelch for all the hard work getting it off the ground |
3:00 pm |
Britsmiles: |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Amandalanguage: Guess students are more motivated if the teacher lencouraging them is genuinely interested or cares #ELTchat > so true |
3:00 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @cerirhiannon: @Marisa_C: sts don't have access 2 comp & Intern? - Send to embassies, L1 hotspots > phones 2 > voice recorders #eltchat |
3:00 pm |
avealmec: |
A little too late 4 the #ELTchat but great tips @Marisa_C @Eveweb @esolcourses @englishraven |
3:00 pm |
luclip: |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
3:01 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
Really enjoyed the 1st #ELTchat welldone @englishraven @Marisa_C @olafelch |
3:01 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @DaveDodgson: And teachers have to be prepared to use some of their time outside class to help those Ss who are motivated to do extra work. #eltchat |
3:01 pm |
EveWeb: |
RT @DaveDodgson: And teachers have to be prepared to use some of their time outside class to help those Ss who are motivated to do extra work. #eltchat |
3:01 pm |
Amandalanguage: |
RT @DaveDodgson: And teachers have to be prepared to use some of their time outside class to help those Ss who are motivated to do extra work. #eltchat |
3:01 pm |
englishraven: |
RT @Marisa_C: One minute to go and we haven't touched reading #ELTchat - can I suggest this as a topic for a futute discussion? |
3:01 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: Really enjoyed the 1st #ELTchat welldone @englishraven @Marisa_C@olafelch - hear hear round of applause |
3:02 pm |
rliberni: |
Thanks also to @Marisa_C @englishraven @olafelch for gr8 moderating today!! #eltchat |
3:02 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
@Marisa_C A really good idea! Reading does need to be discussed.#ELTChat |
3:02 pm |
Amandalanguage: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: Really enjoyed the 1st #ELTchat welldone @englishraven @Marisa_C@olafelch |
3:02 pm |
cecilialcoelho: |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat - can I suggest this as a topic for a futute discussion? _> I think it deserves to go on :-) Too much 2 share |
3:02 pm |
esolcourses: |
@cybraryman1 sounds good, too. T Much better if students work out why the answer is wrong. Marking doesn't always=understanding #ELTchat |
3:02 pm |
Britsmiles: |
RT @Marisa_C: Suggest recording Ss once a month and they review own progress #ELTchat - motivation and reward is in the progress |
3:02 pm |
englishraven: |
Thanks everyone. I think I can officially claim our first #ELTChat was a ROARING SUCCESS! :-) |
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