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| October 20, 2010 |
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| 7:58 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Original Dogma in #EFL article by Scott Thornbury in case you're not familiar with the topic http://bit.ly/9ZNQrs #eltchat |
| 7:59 pm |
SueannaN: |
#ELTchat ready for a great discussion |
| 7:59 pm |
annabooklover: |
I'm participating in the #ELTCHAT for the next hour! ELT stands for English language teaching for people who aren't teachers! |
| 8:00 pm |
Marisa_C: |
We are hopeful that @lukemeddings will be able to join us for 2nd hald (working late) is co-author of Teaching Unplugged #ELTCHAT |
| 8:00 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
I'm on Tweetgrid for tonight's #ELTchat |
| 8:00 pm |
BethCagnol: |
Got my PJs on, my Amarula and my Coldplay. Time for another great #ELTCHAT ! |
| 8:00 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Shall we begin #ELTchat - It's that time again! |
| 8:01 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
Does it fit for dogme to be described as a 'product'? #ELTchat |
| 8:01 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell I read Scott's article for the first time this evening (embarrassed to say). Interesting stuff. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:01 pm |
olafelch: |
I'm following #ELTchat on TweetGrid http://tweetgrid.com/ |
| 8:01 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bethcagnol Don't be embarrassed Beth - join in and enjoy! #ELTCHAT |
| 8:02 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @Marisa_C Shall we begin #ELTchat - It's that time again! >>Whooopppp!!!! |
| 8:02 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bethcagnol I read it about 2 years ago & I think it was @kalinagoenglish who introduced me to Dogme #ELTchat |
| 8:02 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Does it fit for dogme to be described as a 'product'? #ELTchat - pls discuss :-) |
| 8:02 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson I can't really relate to the word "product" #ELTchat |
| 8:02 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@DaveDodgson A product? Am intrigued what do you mean by that? #ELTCHAT |
| 8:03 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
I'm trying monitter for #ELTchat |
| 8:03 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Does it fit for dogme to be described as a 'product'? #ELTchat |
| 8:03 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @DaveDodgson: Does it fit for dogme to be described as a 'product'? #ELTchat ] would method be a better description? |
| 8:04 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@BethCagnol I've got the Pjs as well & my GrooveShark list playing :-) #ELTChat |
| 8:04 pm |
olafelch: |
As a teacher I feel an attraction to being freed from the coursebook, but can I do that in a school? #ELTchat |
| 8:04 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@ShellTerrell @kalinagoenglish And are you, can we say, a "dogma practitioner?" #ELTCHAT |
| 8:04 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Shaunwilden That was the topic question! Is it a niche product? #ELTchat |
| 8:04 pm |
SueannaN: |
Isn't Dogme what all experienced teachers do some of the time, anyway? #ELTchat |
| 8:04 pm |
nutrich: |
@Marisa_C @davedodgson It's a 'philosophical approach'! #eltchat |
| 8:05 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @olafelch: As a teacher I feel an attraction to being freed from the coursebook, but can I do that in a school? #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
sorry, wasting time trying to figure out tweetgrid ... too late for faffing #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bethcagnol Only on a few occasions but @kalinagoenglish is an experienced practitioner who knows her stuff! :-) #ELTChat |
| 8:05 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @SueannaN: Isn't Dogme what all experienced teachers do some of the time, anyway? #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
bcinfrance: |
I love the topic but do you all really think dogme is a product? #eltchat |
| 8:05 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@SueannaN I think Mr Thornbury would disagree with you! #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Good question! RT @SueannaN: Isn't Dogme what all experienced teachers do some of the time, anyway? #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@esolcourses @DaveDodgson a method? an approach? or a movement as its creator calls it? or an attitude? #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @olafelch: As a teacher I feel an attraction to being freed from the coursebook, but can I do that in a school? #ELTchat |
| 8:05 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@Marisa_C approach maybe, or philosophy, not method #ELTchat? |
| 8:06 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @DaveDodgson Yes sorry I thought you were taking a yes stance #ELTchat |
| 8:06 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @nutrich: @Marisa_C @davedodgson It's a 'philosophical approach'! #eltchat |
| 8:06 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
@esolcourses @DaveDodgson Or - wonder whether approach isn't a better way of describing dogme? #ELTchat |
| 8:06 pm |
olafelch: |
@SueannaN I think you might be referring to the famed "dogme moments" #ELTchat |
| 8:06 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @olafelch As a T I feel an attraction 2being freed from coursebk,but can I do that in a schl? #ELTchat >>Ts may want to apply it,but.. |
| 8:06 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @SueannaN: Isn't Dogme what all experienced teachers do some of the time, anyway? #ELTchat |
| 8:06 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
given up on monitter - too long a time lag #ELTchat |
| 8:07 pm |
bcinfrance: |
I have found it's a concept that can be used from 25% to 100%. I'm more at the 25% so far from a purist #eltchat |
| 8:07 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @olafelch: @SueannaN I think you might be referring to the famed "dogme moments" #ELTchat | :-) |
| 8:07 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@Mbenevides called it an approach to approaches which I quite liked to be honest - I see it as philosphy and attitute #ELTchat |
| 8:07 pm |
esoldaveglasgow: |
RT @nutrich: @Marisa_C @davedodgson It's a 'philosophical approach'! #eltchat |
| 8:07 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: As a teacher I feel an attraction to being freed from the coursebook, but can I do that in a school? #ELTchat |
| 8:07 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@DaveDodgson Well, Scott managed to sell a book on the subject...and that's a product... #ELTCHAT |
| 8:07 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Me too! RT @bcinfrance: I have found it's a concept that can be used from 25% to 100%. I'm more at the 25% so far from a purist #eltchat |
| 8:07 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @DaveDodgson: RT @olafelch: ... but can I do that in a school? #ELTchat > what kind of school we talking about? |
| 8:07 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: @SueannaN I think you might be referring to the famed "dogme moments" #ELTchat |
| 8:07 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@kalinagoenglish There she is! Good to see you here.
#ELTCHAT |
| 8:08 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@esoldaveglasgow @kalinagoenglish #eltchat a state of mind? #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @Mbenevides called it an approach to approaches which I quite liked to be honest - I see it as philosphy and attitute #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @Mbenevides called it an approach to approaches - I see it as philosphy and attitute #ELTchat > I like attitude too |
| 8:08 pm |
olafelch: |
@kalinagoenglish I like the word attitude. That works for me. #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
annabooklover: |
All of us practice Dogme one time or another. DO we have to believe in it to be OK? Some of us are good without God you know...#ELTCHAT |
| 8:08 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses @DaveDodgson a method? an approach? or a movement as its creator calls it? or an attitude? #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
Like @sueannan says. + think most teachers have "dogme" moments but they don't realize their classes could be mostly that. #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @Marisa_C: @esoldaveglasgow @kalinagoenglish #eltchat a state of mind? #ELTchat |
| 8:08 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Dogme certainly has no specific methodology attached to it #ELTchat - specific techniques |
| 8:08 pm |
peterjohnfenton: |
Seem to remember ST insisting at IATEFL 2010 that dogme definitely wasn't a method - not sure that it's a movement though #ELTchat |
| 8:09 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: @kalinagoenglish I like the word attitude. That works for me. #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 8:09 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @bcinfrance: I have found it's a concept that can be used from 25% to 100%. I'm more at the 25% so far from a purist #eltchat |
| 8:09 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
What are misconceptions and misunderstandings about Dogme that the experienced ones have noticed? #ELTChat |
| 8:09 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@bethcagnol #ELTchat - struggling but here - 25 windows open at the same time, 10pm caught up on me 2 quick |
| 8:09 pm |
BethCagnol: |
I think we should all be trained in it. Come to think of it, I was at some point way back when. No photocopier, electricity, etc #ELTchat |
| 8:09 pm |
nutrich: |
@Marisa_C Unless dogme remains 'pure' how is it anything other than 'adapting the coursebook'? ; ) #eltchat |
| 8:09 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @Marisa_C Dogme certainly has no specific methodology attached to it #ELTchat - specific techniques |
| 8:10 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: Seem to remember ST insisting at IATEFL 2010 that dogme def wasn't a method - not sure it's a movement though #eltchat |
| 8:10 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell Some seem to think anything without a textbook is dogme! #ELTchat |
| 8:10 pm |
vbenevolofranca: |
@olafelch I think you can, but we're not talking about every lesson - that's how I always dealt with this aspect.#ELTchat |
| 8:10 pm |
esolcourses: |
@Marisa_C maybe a dash of all those things in there... though attitude/approach perhaps more so @olafelch @kalinagoenglish: #ELTCHAT |
| 8:10 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @nutrich: @Marisa_C Unless dogme remains 'pure' how is it anything other than 'adapting the coursebook'? ; ) #eltchat |
| 8:10 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @ShellTerrell: What are misconceptions and misunderstandings about Dogme that the experienced ones have noticed? #ELTChat |
| 8:10 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @peterjohnfenton: Seem 2 remember ST insisting at IATEFL 2010 dogme wasn't a method #ELTchat though he did call it one in the same talk |
| 8:10 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @ShellTerrell: What are misconceptions and misunderstandings about Dogme that the experienced ones have noticed? #ELTChat #eltchat |
| 8:10 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @nutrich: @Marisa_C Unless dogme remains 'pure' how is it anything other than 'adapting the coursebook'? ; ) #eltchat |
| 8:10 pm |
Marisa_C: |
The specific topic today is not only WHAT it is but whether it fits into a school context #ELTchat |
| 8:10 pm |
nutrich: |
Unless dogme remains 'pure' then is it anything other than 'adapting the coursebook'? #eltchat |
| 8:10 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
the #dogmeme challenge @shellterrell is hopefully aiming to address some of those issues! #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Some seem to think anything without a textbook is dogme! #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Some seem to think anything without a textbook is dogme! #ELTchat or just winging it qualifies :-) |
| 8:11 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: the #dogmeme challenge @shellterrell is hopefully aiming to address some of those issues! #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
dfogarty: |
Dogme is a label. Nothing more. #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
olafelch: |
@Marisa_C But given the constraints of the approach, isn't the methodology also limited? #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
rliberni: |
I have to admit to not really knowing but I think I 'do' it by the nature of the kind of teaching I do - if that makes sense! #eltchat |
| 8:11 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Please consider schoolchildren as the focus/.target age group for relating to Dogme #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: The specific topic today is not only WHAT it is but whether it fits into a school context #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 8:11 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
I think a lot of the confusion is down to confusion of terminology and old arguments of "methodology" @shellterrell #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @dfogarty: Dogme is a label. Nothing more. #ELTchat |
| 8:11 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Some seem to think anything without a textbook is dogme! #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 8:12 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @ShellTerrell: RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Some seem to think anything without a textbook is dogme! #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Some seem to think anything without a textbook is dogme! #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@kalinagoenglish That's fantastic! I've seen some say they did a Dogme lesson then another say it really wasn't one #ELTChat |
| 8:12 pm |
tefldust: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @kalinagoenglish: The easiest speaking game in the world...:-)http://ow.ly/2WIcK #TEFL #ELT #ESL #ELTchat #dogmeme |
| 8:12 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C: Please consider schoolchildren as the focus/.target age group for relating to Dogme #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
lydbury: |
@dfogarty Thanks - but what does the label mean? #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
ncguerreiro: |
RT @englishraven: I haven't yet seen a class that didn't enjoy learning more about pronunciation and how to improve it. = Motivating #ELTChat |
| 8:12 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Some seem to think anything without a textbook is dogme! #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell #ELTchat or just winging it qualifies :-) |
| 8:12 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
Was it Vicky Samuel who wrote on Ken Wilson's blog about abandoning coursebooks in a high school setting? #ELTchat |
| 8:12 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
no coursebook does not equal dogme #ELTchat - there's more to it than that |
| 8:12 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @rliberni: I think I 'do' it by the nature of the kind of teaching I do - if that makes sense! #eltchat |
| 8:12 pm |
bcinfrance: |
I really don't like the "niche product" term in the topic. What niche are we referring to? #eltchat |
| 8:12 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @olafelch @ShellTerrell @DaveDodgson @ShellTerrell Some think anything without a textbook is dogme! #ELTchat <<excellent point:wrong |
| 8:12 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @cerirhiannon: no coursebook does not equal dogme #ELTchat - there's more to it than that #eltchat |
| 8:13 pm |
lydbury: |
@Marisa_C Scream - we hardly ever use a text book #ELTchat |
| 8:13 pm |
rliberni: |
@cerirhiannon can you elaborate on the 'what'? #eltchat |
| 8:13 pm |
olafelch: |
@dfogarty If dogme is nothing more than a label, then what's in the bottle? #ELTchat |
| 8:13 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Shaunwilden And then others who do 'real' dogme are accused of winging it! #ELTchat |
| 8:13 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @bcinfrance: I really don't like the "niche product" term in the topic. What niche are we referring to? #eltchat |
| 8:13 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@Shaunwilden @DaveDodgson @ShellTerrell Well....is it? Winging it? Seems like it to me actually. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:13 pm |
lydbury: |
@ncguerreiro I'll agree with that #ELTChat |
| 8:13 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
If you're new to Dogme @kalinagoenglish has the #dogmeme challenge to help youhttp://bit.ly/aTBOPv #ELTChat |
| 8:13 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: Please consider schoolchildren as the focus/.target age group for relating to Dogme #ELTchat |
| 8:13 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @cerirhiannon: no coursebook does not equal dogme #ELTchat - there's more to it than that |
| 8:13 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: @dfogarty If dogme is nothing more than a label, then what's in the bottle? good ? #eltchat |
| 8:14 pm |
nutrich: |
@rliberni misconceptions? That it's not a proposed approach or method, seems that way to me #eltchat |
| 8:14 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @olafelch: @dfogarty If dogme is nothing more than a label, then what's in the bottle? #ELTchat |
| 8:14 pm |
lydbury: |
@DaveDodgson I am sure that is true #ELTchat |
| 8:14 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @cerirhiannon: no coursebook does not equal dogme #ELTchat - there's more to it than that |
| 8:14 pm |
dfogarty: |
@lydbury it's a label that means different things to different people. #ELTchat |
| 8:14 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@lydbury #ELTchat - that question is not answerable in 140 characters or 140 tweets :-))) read the #dogmeme posts!!! |
| 8:14 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@kalinagoenglish I know you're very experienced so for those who think it's winging it, what differentiates? #ELTChat |
| 8:14 pm |
rliberni: |
@BethCagnol I think 'winging it' is unfair there are lots of ways of teaching that don't involve set curric or txtbooks #eltchat |
| 8:14 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @olafelch: @dfogarty If dogme is nothing more than a label, then what's in the bottle? #ELTchat |
| 8:14 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@DaveDodgson good point :) #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
olafelch: |
In my school we have milestones but how the teachers reach them is their affair. That would allow a dogme approach. #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
materials light is definitely possible with younger learners - but more activity than conversation based? more TBL than dogme? #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @bcinfrance: I really don't like the "niche product" term in the topic. What niche are we referring to? #eltchat |
| 8:15 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@kalinagoenglish @lydbury or all the comments on Jermey Harmer's recent post! #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
lydbury: |
@kalinagoenglish I know I know - but still confused about it #ELTchat #dogmeme |
| 8:15 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @lydbury #ELTchat - that question is not answerable in 140 characters or 140 tweets :-))) read the #dogmeme posts!!! |
| 8:15 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @cerirhiannon: no coursebook does not equal dogme #ELTchat - there's more to it than that |
| 8:15 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @lydbury #ELTchat - that ? is not answerable in 140 characters or 140 tweets :-))) read the #dogmeme posts!!! #eltchat |
| 8:15 pm |
luisanke: |
@kalinagoenglish The only thing is that sometimes the book is the only safeguard against cheaters... #eltchat #edchat |
| 8:15 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @Shaunwilden And then others who do 'real' dogme are accused of winging it! #ELTchat It's a fine line I reckon! |
| 8:15 pm |
lydbury: |
@dfogarty Really hellpful! #ELTchat |
| 8:15 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@kalinagoenglish Agree; this topic necessitates some prereading - not here to cover the basics of Dogme #ELTchat #dogmeme |
| 8:15 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @ShellTerrell: If you're new to Dogme @kalinagoenglish has the #dogmeme challenge to help youhttp://bit.ly/aTBOPv #ELTChat |
| 8:16 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@cerirhiannon Materials light yes. But then is it dogme? #ELTchat |
| 8:16 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Yes! RT @DaveDodgson: Was it @vickysaumell who wrote on Ken Wilson's blog about abandoning coursebooks in a high school setting? #ELTchat |
| 8:16 pm |
rliberni: |
@luisanke cheaters? Pls explain. #eltchat |
| 8:16 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@kalinagoenglish LOL! #eltchat (Ur Onestop comment.) |
| 8:16 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
Dogme requires high level of attn in the room to participants, high focus and feedback - keeping subjects student-centered #ELTChat |
| 8:16 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @luisanke: @kalinagoenglish The only thing is that sometimes the book is the only safeguard against cheaters... #eltchat #edchat |
| 8:16 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@bethcagnol I see winging it as less purposeful, often still controlled by a teachers agenda at heart #ELTCHAT |
| 8:16 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcinfrance The thought was that it can only be applied in certain limited situations. #eltchat |
| 8:16 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@luisanke @kalinagoenglish Oh dear don't get me started about cheating. I'll get back on my discipline rant. ;-) #ELTCHAT |
| 8:16 pm |
nutrich: |
@rliberni @bcinfranceRe: niche product - that it's only suitable for some contexts, not all #eltchat |
| 8:17 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @cerirhiannon: materials light is definitely possible with younger learners - but more activity than conversation based? more TBL than dogme? #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@rliberni as I see it, it's rooted in conversation,/dialogue, letting the Ss led the topic and dealing with language as it emerges #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@kalinagoenglish @Marisa_C But the reading left me more confused about exactly what it is! :p #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: Dogme requires high level of attn in the room to participants, high focus and feedback - keeping subjects student-centered #ELTChat |
| 8:17 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: @kalinagoenglish Agree; this topic necessitates some prereading - not here to cover the basics of Dogme #eltchat |
| 8:17 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Do any of you feel that a no syllabus, materials light, student generated topics, emergent lang app possible for schoolkids #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
lydbury: |
Rita (the Mrs) has followed Dogme for ages and finds it not very useful. Why should I? #eltchat |
| 8:17 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@marisa_c um, yes, and I agree with you about schoolchildren being target of 2day's convo #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: @bcinfrance The thought was that it can only be applied in certain limited situations. #eltchat |
| 8:17 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@vickyloras Thanks Vicky #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
dfogarty: |
@lydbury not everything has to be spelled out to be helpful. Dogme is a helpful label (sometimes) #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
@bethcagnol And if take the ideas from 'teaching unplugged' for example it still requires you to be a but prepared #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @cerirhiannon: no coursebook does not equal dogme #ELTchat - there's more to it than that |
| 8:17 pm |
vickyloras: |
@DaveDodgson Here is @VickySaumell's post on @kenwilsonlondon's blog http://bit.ly/dvnEQ8#ELTChat |
| 8:17 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@marisa_c subbed for a primary teacher yesterday - 15 9 year olds... no way I could've dogme'd that so would luv 2 learn fr. others #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
lydbury: |
@kalinagoenglish convo? #ELTchat |
| 8:17 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: Dogme requires high level of attn in the room to participants, high focus and feedback - keeping subjects student-centered #ELTChat |
| 8:17 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @Marisa_C: Do any of you feel that a no syllabus, materials light, student generated topics, emergent lang app possible for schoolkids #ELTchat |
| 8:18 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @bethcagnol I see winging it as less purposeful, often still controlled by a teachers agenda at heart #ELTCHAT |
| 8:18 pm |
annehodg: |
Dogme won't work in school: The explicit curriculum tops any emergent learning and has to proceed regardless of engagement #ELTChat |
| 8:18 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @cerirhiannon Materials light yes. But then is it dogme? #ELTchat > to my mind no, there needs to be student driven dialog |
| 8:18 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson I've had that criticism levelled at me in a course where I didn't use a book. I was apparently "unprepared." #ELTchat |
| 8:18 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C High school or primary? #ELTchat |
| 8:18 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@kalinagoenglish @marisa_c Ok. If downloading ready-made lessons is winging it, then isn't using the coursebook winging it too? #ELTCHAT |
| 8:18 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: Do any of you feel that a no syllabus, materials light, student generated topics, emergent lang app possible for schoolkids #ELTchat |
| 8:18 pm |
nutrich: |
@luisanke though using a book doesn't necessarily equal quality teaching #eltchat |
| 8:18 pm |
dfogarty: |
Don't think Dogme is overhyped. Think it is underestimated. #ELTchat |
| 8:19 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@lydbury that's too light a question - what doesn't Rita find useful? I think the problem is terminology and understanding #ELTchat |
| 8:19 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@DaveDodgson Not sure Dave - not my question - but seems to cover both #ELTchat |
| 8:19 pm |
TEFL: |
RT @esolcourses: RT @ShellTerrell: What are misconceptions and misunderstandings about Dogme that the experienced ones have noticed? #ELTChat |
| 8:19 pm |
luisanke: |
@bethcagnol @rliberni We are having trouble with drafts/compositions coz students find it easier to use e-translators (1/2) #edchat #eltchat |
| 8:19 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@kalinagoenglish With that age group, materials light TBL is possible. BUt dogme? Emergent language? Tough #ELTchat |
| 8:19 pm |
olafelch: |
@BethCagnol I think winging it implies no preparation which isn't true of dogme. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:19 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @marisa_C 15 9 year olds... no way I could've dogme'd that #ELTchat > have had dogme moments with 6, 7, 8 yr olds |
| 8:19 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @BethCagnol: @kalinagoenglish @marisa_c Ok. If downloading ready-made less's is winging it, isn't using the c-book winging it 2 #eltchat |
| 8:19 pm |
annabooklover: |
@Marisa_C I would say that this is happening in Greek schools in Grade 1 English, don't think they call it Dogme, just disorganized #ELTCHAT |
| 8:19 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @dfogarty: Don't think Dogme is overhyped. Think it is underestimated. #ELTchat >>> agreed and misunderstood vastly |
| 8:19 pm |
vickyloras: |
@Marisa_C I believe that for older kids (teens)it can be implemented.Younger ones not so sure.Plus,reactions from the parents. #ELTChat |
| 8:19 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Shaunwilden: @bethcagnol And if take the ideas from 'teaching unplugged' for example it still requires you to be a but prepared #ELTchat |
| 8:19 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Yes. Absolutely yes. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:20 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @dfogarty: @lydbury not everything has to be spelled out to be helpful. Dogme is a helpful label (sometimes) #ELTchat |
| 8:20 pm |
Marisa_C: |
I can personally see Dogme working in a school context with CLIL clued up teacher #ELTchat |
| 8:20 pm |
annehodg: |
You can only do away with the curriculum in private schools and homeschooling - there Dogme could work, why not. #ELTChat |
| 8:20 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@#ELTchat nowadays many Ts think its impossible 2conduct great lessons without piles of photocopies-it is! |
| 8:20 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @dfogarty: Don't think Dogme is overhyped. Think it is underestimated. #ELTchat No it's overhyped, it's not the be all and end all :-) |
| 8:20 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @dfogarty: Don't think Dogme is overhyped. Thnk it is underestimated.agreed and misunderstood vastly #eltchat |
| 8:20 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C I think it wold be good for high school, especially if they've spent years trying everything else! #ELTchat |
| 8:20 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: I can personally see Dogme working in a school context with CLIL clued up teacher #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 8:20 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@luisanke Ok heavens. I just gave 2 (0s) out to 2 students who copied cover letters word4word off the net. Don't get me started. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:20 pm |
annabooklover: |
Dogme would need lots of preparation in my opinion...#ELTCHAT |
| 8:20 pm |
lydbury: |
@kalinagoenglish Yeah - but labels have to mean something Shirley #ELTchat |
| 8:20 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@bethcagnol depends.. #ELTchat - any material is winging it if it involves no thought of the students' needs. |
| 8:20 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@kalinagoenglish he he good one #ELTchat |
| 8:20 pm |
bcinfrance: |
I think this is the hard partRT @cerirhiannon: RT @DaveDodgson: @cerirhiannon #ELTchat , there needs to be student driven dialog |
| 8:20 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @annehodg: You can only do away with the curriculum in private schools and homeschooling - there Dogme could work, why not. #ELTChat |
| 8:21 pm |
nutrich: |
Dogme could be a good idea for 14+ teens who have more to say and are 'coursebooked out' after years at a lang, school #eltchat |
| 8:21 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@Marisa_C I'd find this possible with improv or imagination games, would this count as dogme #ELTChat |
| 8:21 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@bethcagnol And IMHO all material or non-material good if centered completely on a) conversation b) the students. #ELTchat |
| 8:21 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Yes it is if I don't fully understand it. #eltchat |
| 8:21 pm |
rliberni: |
Isn't it responding to std needs in a very individual & personal way? #eltchat |
| 8:21 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@annabooklover I think you need 'readiness' more than prep #ELTchat |
| 8:21 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @nutrich : @luisanke though using a bk doesn't necessarily equal quality tching #eltchat>>Agrre.Depends on how u use it&how flexible ur. |
| 8:21 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @kalinagoenglish With that age group, materials light TBL is possible. BUt dogme? Emergent language? Tough #ELTchat |
| 8:21 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@annabooklover hehe got to repeat this #ELTCHAT |
| 8:21 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @dfogarty: @ShellTerrell @Marisa_C yes it's possible. I use no textbook etc when raising my children. #eltchat |
| 8:21 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @PixieAnia: @#ELTchat nowadays many Ts think its impossible 2conduct great lessons without piles of photocopies-it is! |
| 8:21 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @rliberni: Isn't it responding to std needs in a very individual & personal way? #eltchat |
| 8:21 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @annabooklover: I would say that this is happening in Greek schools, don't think they call it Dogme, just disorganized #ELTCHAT |
| 8:22 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @rliberni: Isn't it responding to std needs in a very individual & personal way? #eltchat but isnt that what we do anyway? |
| 8:22 pm |
dfogarty: |
@olafelch what's in bottle? Not what's on label. #ELTchat |
| 8:22 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C I think it wold be good for high school, especially if they've spent years trying everything else! #ELTchat |
| 8:22 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @esolcourses: RT @rliberni: Isn't it responding to std needs in a very individual & personal way? #eltchat |
| 8:22 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: @Marisa_C I'd find this possible with improv or imagination games, would this count as dogme #ELTChat |
| 8:22 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
We also need to consider class size. Many school settings have 30+ kids per class. Is dogme possible with that many at once? #ELTchat |
| 8:22 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @bcinfrance: I think this is the hard partRT #ELTchat , there needs to be Stud driven dialog >hard with younger learners, easier w teens? |
| 8:22 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@kalinagoenglish I'm interested in that cause my students asked 4 that this very afternoon. I promised we'd give it shot tomorrow. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:22 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @Marisa_C: I can personally see Dogme working in a school context with CLIL clued up teacher #ELTchat Agreed |
| 8:22 pm |
lydbury: |
@nutrich So are you saying post experience? #eltchat |
| 8:23 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell Sure - playing games is highly relevant to chilren #eltchat |
| 8:23 pm |
rliberni: |
@Shaunwilden sure we should, but do we really? Is the course-book often a prop? #eltchat |
| 8:23 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @DaveDodgson: We also need to consider class size. Many school settings have 30+ kids per class. Is dogme possible with that many at once? #ELTchat |
| 8:23 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @DaveDodgson: We also need to consider class size. Many school settings have 30+ kids per class. Is dogme possible with that many at once? #ELTchat |
| 8:23 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @DaveDodgson I think you need 'readiness' more than prep #ELTchat |
| 8:23 pm |
bcinfrance: |
RT @davedodgson: We also need to consider class size...30+ kids per class. Is dogme possible with that many at once? #ELTchat Likely not |
| 8:23 pm |
olafelch: |
@annehodg I don<#t believe it's about doing away with the curriculum - just the micro-managed content. #ELTChat |
| 8:23 pm |
esoldaveglasgow: |
#eltchat If we take ST's original proposal ie a vow to avoid any kind of "falseness" then NO it doesn't fit in a school with curriculum etc |
| 8:24 pm |
luisanke: |
@bethcagnol @rliberni (2/2) than learnin some functions'n structres.Sure its much more complicated than that, but its a safeguard #eltchat |
| 8:24 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell playing games is highly relevant to chilren #eltchat > it might be emergent if the kids make up the games? |
| 8:24 pm |
rliberni: |
I get the feeling we're flundering with this if we don't know what it really is are we qualified to evaulate it? #eltchat |
| 8:24 pm |
BethCagnol: |
Doomsday Q: Should we know how to teach w/o any resources just in case? The situation of the teachers in Haiti made me think. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:24 pm |
annabooklover: |
I need my coursebook so I can toss it away at some point! #ELTCHAT |
| 8:24 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@DaveDodgson I've seen classes up to 75 in Japan who don't use book at all & play English games w them. Seemed vry efffective #ELTChat |
| 8:24 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @dfogarty: @olafelch what's in bottle? Not what's on label. #ELTchat But what IS on the label and what's actually in the bottle?! |
| 8:24 pm |
olafelch: |
@dfogarty So what is in the bottle? #ELTchat |
| 8:24 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@dfogarty What foreign language are you teaching your children? #ELTchat |
| 8:24 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @BethCagnol: Doomsday Q: Should we know how to teach w/o any resources just in case? The situation of the teachers in Haiti made me think. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:24 pm |
luisanke: |
@nutrich @vickyloras Sure it isn't. I'd love to come to an era where textbooks ain't needed. But they r helpful2prevent cheating #eltchat |
| 8:25 pm |
rliberni: |
'flundering'? what a brill word! er floundering! #eltchat |
| 8:25 pm |
nutrich: |
@lydbury Sorry, not sure what you mean! #eltchat |
| 8:25 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@dfogarty or are you talking about L1 acquisition? #ELTchat |
| 8:25 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @Marisa_C: @ShellTerrell playing games relevant to chilren #eltchat > it might be emergent if the kids NEGOTIATE the games? |
| 8:25 pm |
Shaunwilden: |
RT @rliberni: @Shaunwilden sure we should, but do we really? Is the course-book often a prop? #eltchat sadly not often for many teacher no |
| 8:25 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: RT @Marisa_C: I can personally see Dogme working in a school context with CLIL clued up teacher #ELTchat Agreed |
| 8:25 pm |
rliberni: |
@luisanke why do we need safeguards? #eltchat |
| 8:25 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
I often hear about problems in large groups but... don't we always break up large groups into smaller ones.. confused #ELTchat |
| 8:25 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell 75? What kind of games? How many teachers? :p #ELTchat |
| 8:25 pm |
bcinfrance: |
Is it so individual? RT @shellterrell: RT @esolcourses: RT @rliberni: Isn't it responding to std needs in a very individual way? #eltchat |
| 8:25 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @rliberni: I get the feeling we're flundering with this if we don't know what it really is are we qualified to evaulate it? #eltchat |
| 8:25 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @rliberni: Isn't it responding to std needs in a very individual & personal way? #eltchat but isnt that what we do anyway? |
| 8:26 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@bethcagnol you mean a onestop exercise? sorry got lost #ELTchat |
| 8:26 pm |
olafelch: |
@kalinagoenglish re the sts needs - how much steering do you think is acceptable from the teacher? #ELTchat |
| 8:26 pm |
luisanke: |
@bethcagnol 1 of my stds memorized a whole composition he translated online (with many mistakes) and then vomited it on the exam #eltchat |
| 8:26 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @rliberni: I get the feeling we're flundering with this if we don't know what it really is are we qualified to evaulate it? #eltchat |
| 8:26 pm |
lydbury: |
How do we look at simulations as opposed to role plays? #eltchat |
| 8:26 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @cerirhiannon: @ShellTerrell playing games relevant to chilren #eltchat >it might be emergent if the kids NEGOTIATE the games? |
| 8:26 pm |
SimonGreenall: |
#ELTchat am learning and reading, tx. In ideal world everything wud be learner-cntrd, teacher would evaluate need, no more cursebooks.(sic)! |
| 8:26 pm |
BethCagnol: |
Doomsday part 2: And these damn strikes are wreaking havoc on classes. Forcing us to modify lesson plans, re-think approaches, etc. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:26 pm |
SueannaN: |
RT @dfogarty: @lydbury not everything has 2 B spelled out 2 B helpful. Dogme is a helpful label (smetimes) #ELTchat> sumtimes, yes! #ELTchat |
| 8:27 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
we can negotiate contents &encourage kids to enquire and follow their lines of curiosity - would this amount to conversation-driven?#ELTchat |
| 8:27 pm |
esoldaveglasgow: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @annabooklover I think you need 'readiness' more than prep #ELTchat |
| 8:27 pm |
rliberni: |
@olafelch I think the stds should be doing the steering & we should be providing the gas/petrol #eltchat |
| 8:27 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@cerirhiannon Possibly if they are old enough - if too young this is a moot point - they need parenting more than teaching #eltchat |
| 8:27 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@olafelch light, IMHO i.e. students bored, no imagination 1 day, teacher could supply a variety of poss topics then let ss choose #ELTchat |
| 8:28 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@luisanke Poor kid. Wasted all that time. I just underline the incomprehensible bits and say, "huh!?" #ELTCHAT |
| 8:28 pm |
rliberni: |
@bcinfrance shouldn't it be individual even within a class? #eltchat |
| 8:28 pm |
bcinfrance: |
I've always been a ittle confused by the "emergent language" concept. Where does it emerge from? Reminds me of "elicit..." #eltchat |
| 8:28 pm |
dimigineva: |
RT @alexgfrancisco: Making a book of your blog http://goo.gl/DQ27 #edtech #ELTchat |
| 8:28 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@#ELTchat dogme is amazing for summer schools and short intensive courses:-) |
| 8:28 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@cerirhiannon I give students plenty of choice. If they have an idea different from the task at hand, I let them roll with it #ELTchat |
| 8:28 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @cerirhiannon: we can negotiate contents &encourage kids to enquire& follow lines of curiosity - is this conversation-driven?#ELTchat |
| 8:28 pm |
lydbury: |
@Marisa_C Parenting yes - but do we (you) have the responsibility? #eltchat |
| 8:28 pm |
luisanke: |
@rliberni Without written regulations we might have2litig8 more with some unhappy stds. It's not that we need'em, but they help #eltchat |
| 8:28 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@cerirhiannon Good questions #ELTchat |
| 8:28 pm |
dimigineva: |
RT @alexgfrancisco: Comic and Animation Technologies in the Classroom « User Generated Education http://goo.gl/hbH7 #edtech #ELTchat |
| 8:29 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @PixieAnia: dogme is amazing for summer schools and short intensive courses:-) #ELTchat |
| 8:29 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @esolcourses @ShellTerrell Original Dogma in #EFL article by Scott Thornbury (10 years ago), better to read l8r stuff/ TU book #eltchat |
| 8:29 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @bcinfrance: I've always been a ittle confused by the "emergent language" concept. Where does it emerge from? Reminds me of "elicit..." #eltchat |
| 8:29 pm |
dimigineva: |
RT @alexgfrancisco: Learn English Vocabulary & Idioms http://goo.gl/PDsZ #ELTchat #esl |
| 8:29 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon if too young they need parenting more than teaching #eltchat > totally, need guidance and direction |
| 8:29 pm |
dimigineva: |
RT @alexgfrancisco: Best Websites for Teaching and Learning http://goo.gl/W5Wg #edtech #ntchat#ELTchat |
| 8:29 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @DaveDodgson: RT @PixieAnia: dogme is amazing for summer schools and short intensive courses:-) #ELTchat |
| 8:29 pm |
olafelch: |
@kalinagoenglish Ok. I'm fine with that. #ELTchat |
| 8:29 pm |
rliberni: |
@luisanke not sure what written regs would be needed pedagogically? #eltchat |
| 8:29 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@DaveDodgson Maybe 2 or 3 but these are planned games so not Dogme but still pretty amazinghttp://bit.ly/c5D5JI #Eltchat |
| 8:30 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@rliberni @olafelch Yeah...but some have revolted with me...some say, "we want a book!!!" #ELTCHAT |
| 8:30 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @cerirhiannon I give students plenty of choice. If they have an idea different from the task at hand, I let them roll with it #ELTchat |
| 8:30 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@lydbury teachers of yls and kitergarten teacher do this all the time #eltchat |
| 8:30 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@DaveDodgson One example but that's the curriculum I use. No coursebook & I love the games & activities #eltchat |
| 8:30 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: Dogme requires high level of attn in the room to participants, high focus and feedback - keeping subjects student-centered #ELTChat |
| 8:30 pm |
olafelch: |
@rliberni I would agree in an adult context, but I'm not convinced that a school class is always capable of making those decisions. #eltchat |
| 8:30 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell I guess it's either that or do worksheets! #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @rliberni: @olafelch I think the stds should be doing the steering & we should be providing the gas/petrol #eltchat |
| 8:31 pm |
lydbury: |
@kalinagoenglish Still really asking what is Dogme. I understand the philosophy but not the application. Back to sailing. #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
bcinfrance: |
Those would of course be the French SsRT @bethcagnol: @rliberni @olafelch some have revolted with me..some say, "we want a book!!!" #ELTCHAT |
| 8:31 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@bcinfrance a number of bloggers have been dealing w/ #dogmemem emergence, this wk- see links at bottom of http://ow.ly/2WJYh #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@cerirhiannon Re: content negotiation: some of the best debates and speaking come from this! It's just wonderful! Love it. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:31 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
RT @dfogarty: Don't think Dogme is overhyped. Think it is underestimated. #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell Would you believe they have a coursebook at my son's kindergarten? They can't even read or write! #ELTchat |
| 8:31 pm |
esoldaveglasgow: |
#eltchat Dogme is Danish for dogma. Do u want to be known as a dogmatic person? Teaching unplugged perhaps a more manageable terminology. |
| 8:31 pm |
rliberni: |
@BethCagnol my stds have a book & s'times we use it or they use it doesn't have to be a coursebook #eltchat |
| 8:31 pm |
SueannaN: |
RT @annabooklover: I need my coursebook so I can toss it away at some point! #ELTCHAT |
| 8:32 pm |
annehodg: |
RT @olafelch: @annehodg I don<#t believe it's about doing away with the curriculum - just the micro-managed content. #ELTChat |
| 8:32 pm |
elaan: |
RT @rliberni: @olafelch I think the stds should be doing the steering & we should be providing the gas/petrol #eltchat |
| 8:32 pm |
bcinfrance: |
@bethcagnol I've actually found my French Ss rather happy to not have a textbook, not that that is the definition of dogme #eltchat |
| 8:32 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @LukeMeddings: RT @dfogarty: Don't think Dogme is overhyped. Think it is underestimated. #ELTchat I think it's not understood. |
| 8:32 pm |
Marisa_C: |
How many of the #ELTchat participants are teaching YL's and are considering Dogme? Would u prefer to move discussion to adults? |
| 8:32 pm |
lydbury: |
@Marisa_C I can see that #eltchat |
| 8:32 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @esoldaveglasgow: #eltchat Dogme is Danish for dogma. Do u want to be known as a dogmatic person? Teaching unplugged perhaps a more manageable terminology. |
| 8:33 pm |
olafelch: |
@bethcagnol Absolutely! In my school we have a book, but I hardly use it. The kids have their comforter, but we work bookless. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:33 pm |
rliberni: |
@SueannaN I keep all mine - they look good on the shelf Lol! I do use them or bits from them #eltchat |
| 8:33 pm |
lydbury: |
@SueAnnan Hey hey - surely we have to know what we are doing before we do it? #ELTchat #ELTchat |
| 8:33 pm |
Marisa_C: |
A pause #ELTchat |
| 8:33 pm |
lydbury: |
@nutrich Lost that one - will look again #eltchat |
| 8:33 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@DaveDodgson That's crazy! Is it at least fun? In 8 yrs teaching kids ELT never taught w a coursebk #ELTChat |
| 8:33 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @bethcagnol: Re: content negotiation: best speaking come from this! ust wonderful! #ELTCHAT > yup, and also thinking CLIL content |
| 8:33 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@bcinfrance I find my French adults expect having a coursebook. The younger generations hate them (the French). #ELTCHAT |
| 8:33 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C I teach YLs but dogme can't be considered as I don't have enough influence over such decisions! #ELTchat |
| 8:33 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @Marisa_C How many of the #ELTchat participants are teaching YL's and are considering Dogme? Would u prefer to move discussion to adults? |
| 8:33 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @SueannaN: RT @annabooklover: I need my coursebook so I can toss it away at some point! #ELTCHAT - I like that |
| 8:33 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: How many of the #ELTchat participants are teaching YL's and are considering Dogme? Would u prefer to move discussion to adults? |
| 8:33 pm |
annehodg: |
RT @annabooklover I need my coursebook so I can toss it away at some point! #ELTCHAT :: LOL |
| 8:33 pm |
bcinfrance: |
@marisa_c Don't teach YLs for me it's adults or uni.#eltchat |
| 8:33 pm |
olafelch: |
@bcinfrance Not just the French. Germans are mostly vehemently opposed to not having at least 3 or 4 books. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:33 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @olafelch: @bethcagnol Absolutely! In my school we have a book, but I hardly use it. The kids have their comforter, but we work bookless. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:34 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C Plus, there are the deals in place with publishers and suppliers.... #ELTchat |
| 8:34 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @elaan: RT @rliberni: @olafelch I think the stds should be doing the steering & we should be providing the gas/petrol #eltchat NICE |
| 8:34 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @lydbury: @SueAnnan Hey hey - surely we have to know what we are doing before we do it? #ELTchat #ELTchat |
| 8:34 pm |
lydbury: |
@nutrich Ah - post experience - those with knowledge and practical experience. #eltchat |
| 8:34 pm |
rliberni: |
@ShellTerrell 'teaching unplugged' - love it! Feels like Eric Clapton! #eltchat |
| 8:34 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @ShellTerrell: @DaveDodgson That's crazy! Is it at least fun? In 8 yrs teaching kids ELT never taught w a coursebk #ELTChat |
| 8:34 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell He loves the songs CD - then again, he understands it all word for word! #ELTchat |
| 8:34 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @rliberni: @ShellTerrell 'teaching unplugged' - love it! Feels like Eric Clapton! #eltchat |
| 8:34 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@DaveDodgson @#ELTchat you make your Ss responsible for their own learning - great! |
| 8:34 pm |
TEFL: |
I used to teach a "junior holiday course" group from Japan in the summers. Kayak and learn English. Miss that class! #ELTchat |
| 8:34 pm |
annabooklover: |
@olafelch @bethcagnol I loved the idea of the coursebook as the comforter! #ELTCHAT |
| 8:35 pm |
SueannaN: |
@bcinfrance and the Germans #ELTCHAT |
| 8:35 pm |
vickyloras: |
@Marisa_C I teach mainly adults at this point. #ELTChat |
| 8:35 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @olafelch I think the stds should be doing the steering & we should be providing the gas/petrol #eltchat NICE |
| 8:35 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @SueannaN: RT @annabooklover: I need my coursebook so I can toss it away at some point! #ELTCHAT - I like that (Me too) |
| 8:35 pm |
rliberni: |
@olafelch therein lies the rub - do we know what we're doing? I hope so!! #eltchat |
| 8:35 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @Marisa_C Plus, there are the deals in place with publishers and suppliers.... #ELTchat - of course! |
| 8:35 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch In 4yrs here my German Ss never complained not having coursebk they really enjoy Wiki activities better #ELTChat |
| 8:35 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @elaan: RT @rliberni: @olafelch I think the stds should be doing the steering & we should be providing the gas/petrol #eltchat NICE |
| 8:35 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell In 8 years with YLs, I've always had a coursebook like it or not! #ELTchat |
| 8:35 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@olafelch not my German students - have only had one students in 5 years, demand a book. Have had institutes demand them. #ELTchat |
| 8:35 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@Marisa_C @ShellTerrell @DaveDodgson My MA advisor, Dennis Davy (genius) teaches whole semesters with newspapers. Kids adore it. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:36 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @annabooklover: @olafelch @bethcagnol I loved the idea of the coursebook as the comforter! #ELTCHAT |
| 8:36 pm |
rliberni: |
@vickyloras me too, haven't taught children for a long time so can't really say? #eltchat |
| 8:36 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
I think in so-called *bilingual* sit where some content is taught in L2 & there are no CBs and a dogme influenced approach is poss #ELTchat |
| 8:36 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@PixieAnia As much as I can. Helps with learner independence later on #ELTchat |
| 8:36 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell But you don't teach in a secondary school, do you? #ELTChat |
| 8:36 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Yes of course we do - but we have to persuade the clients! #eltchat |
| 8:36 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@DaveDodgson Well we have a songs CD as well! I think it's a must for all YL curriculums LOL :-) #ELTChat |
| 8:36 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@bethcagnol I think that's fantastic #ELTCHAT |
| 8:37 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@bethcagnol That would be really interesting to watch! Don't suppose he wants to do a guest post on subject ;-) #ELTChat |
| 8:37 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
RT @nutrich @dfogarty #ELTchat I think it's not understood > We're working on it |
| 8:37 pm |
hooperchris: |
Surely if we want to be the best teachers we can be we should be open to all ideas and not dogmatic? #eltchat |
| 8:37 pm |
olafelch: |
@kalinagoenglish Southerners! ;o) #ELTchat |
| 8:37 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @rliberni: @vickyloras me too, haven't taught children for a long time so can't really say? #eltchat] same here |
| 8:37 pm |
lydbury: |
@BethCagnol Yeah - that's good #ELTCHAT |
| 8:37 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@ShellTerrell Songs + TPR = a great YL lesson #ELTchat |
| 8:37 pm |
annabooklover: |
In Greek schools (state and private) we have an obsession with coursebooks. My daughter has two coursebooks at the moment... #ELTCHAT |
| 8:37 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@elaan @rliberni @olafelch... we should be providing the gas/petrol >> problem is gas is being blocked by strikers. ;-) #ELTCHAT |
| 8:37 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
I'm actually not found of the teaching unplugged thang... :-) I use computers #ELTChat prefer dogme -irrelevant translation of word |
| 8:38 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch I did in the US for 4 yrs & still didn't use a coursebook for my YL's & we had some highschool ELT Classes w/o coursebk #ELTChat |
| 8:38 pm |
rliberni: |
@lydbury can't we do this by reputation, demonstration why do they come to us in the first place? #eltchat |
| 8:38 pm |
lydbury: |
@hooperchris Indeed #eltchat |
| 8:38 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat I mainly teach adults at the moment - but more than happy to talk about potential with YLs |
| 8:38 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
The word "terrific" means an enormous horror. I don't think we should get hung up on "words" - dogme was what it got called #ELTchat |
| 8:38 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@annabooklover Same in Turkey. My 4th graders have three different textbooks to use this year. Ugh! #ELTchat |
| 8:38 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@ShellTerrell I'm sure he'd love to. You'll meet him next month. He's doing a talk on that subject at the #TESOLFR conf. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:38 pm |
TEFL: |
Oops at @BethCagnol my question was meant for you I guess. Did you see it? #ELTChat |
| 8:38 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Agree! RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Songs + TPR = a great YL lesson #ELTchat |
| 8:38 pm |
rliberni: |
@BethCagnol Lol, yes, who are the strikers here? #eltchat |
| 8:39 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @ShellTerrell: Agree! RT @DaveDodgson: @ShellTerrell Songs + TPR = a great YL lesson #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 8:39 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Good question - mainly networking in our case. #2 is the web #eltchat |
| 8:39 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @LukeMeddings: RT @nutrich @dfogarty #ELTchat I think it's not understood > We're working on it |
| 8:39 pm |
vickyloras: |
@annabooklover Yep - and companion, workbook, glossary and..and...; ))) #ELTChat |
| 8:39 pm |
PixieAnia: |
@DaveDodgson it really does, I try that too with my ss:-) @#ELTchat |
| 8:39 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@dfogarty mentioned teaching his children w/o a CB - so do all of u who have children - do you need a syllabus? #ELTchat |
| 8:39 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@lukemeddings too right, captain, my captain :-)) #ELTchat #dogmeme I think it's not understood > We're working on it |
| 8:40 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell In the US I'm sure it would work. Here you would really need to work to get it accepted. #ELTChat |
| 8:40 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@cerirhiannon me too #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @ rliberni @bcinfrance shouldn't it be individual even within a class? #eltchat ] I'd say so |
| 8:40 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@TEFL #ELTCHAT Oops. Nope. Tweets are going by too fast. That's a good thing! What was your Q? |
| 8:40 pm |
lydbury: |
@kalinagoenglish Gentle scream karenne #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
bcinfrance: |
@kalinagoenglish The teaching unplugged concept helped me simplify preparation, react better to learners, look for learning opps #eltchat |
| 8:40 pm |
dfogarty: |
DOGME: For those who know, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't, no explanation is possible. #ELTChat |
| 8:40 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
I tried @englishraven 's 'wanderous Whiteboard' with YLs last week. Worked well #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: @dfogarty mentioned teaching his children w/o a CB - so do all of u who have children - do you need a syllabus? #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
rliberni: |
@lydbury but s'thing you say must attract them so they must have confidence in you #eltchat |
| 8:40 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@rliberni Not me... that's for sure. I go on strike and I don't get paid. But that's another #ELTCHAT ;-) |
| 8:40 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@LukeMeddings Hello great to have you among us! We are all over the place! Please help us and steer the conversation! #ELTchat |
| 8:40 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Of course - and then inertia! #eltchat |
| 8:41 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@dfogarty oh, you're so tao. #ELTchat :-) |
| 8:41 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
@olafelch I wouldn't know I have taught large YL classes here but always in camp setting so vry different #ELTChat |
| 8:41 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @dfogarty: DOGME: For those who know, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't, no explanation is possible. #ELTChat |
| 8:41 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @dfogarty: DOGME: For those who know, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't, no explanation is possible. #ELTChat |
| 8:41 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@Marisa_C The syllabus is based on the coursebook(s)! #ELTchat |
| 8:41 pm |
rliberni: |
@lydbury not sure I get you? #eltchat |
| 8:41 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @dfogarty: DOGME: For those who know, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't, no explanation is possible. #ELTChat |
| 8:41 pm |
lydbury: |
@bcinfrance Excellent #eltchat |
| 8:41 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @bcinfrance: @kalinagoenglish Teaching unplugged helped me simplify prep react better to learners, look for learning opps #eltchat |
| 8:41 pm |
dfogarty: |
Not all labels are on bottles. What's in the bottle? New wine. #ELTChat |
| 8:42 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@Marisa_C @LukeMeddings Hey cool! the man himself! Suddenly *star struck* #ELTCHAT |
| 8:42 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
What about the potential clash of using dogme in an exam driven system? #ELTchat |
| 8:42 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @esolcourses: RT @dfogarty: DOGME: For those who know, no explanation is nec; for those who don't, no explanation is possible. #eltchat |
| 8:42 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @esolcourses: RT @dfogarty: DOGME: For those who know, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't, no explanation is possible. #ELTChat |
| 8:42 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @esolcourses: RT @dfogarty: DOGME: For those who know, no explanation is nec; for those who don't, no explanation is poss #eltchat |
| 8:43 pm |
PixieAnia: |
we need to keep making coursebook lessons as enjoyable as dogma! less handouts > more trees saved:-) @#ELTchat |
| 8:43 pm |
dfogarty: |
@Marisa_C Kids are learning the language of others. Is this foreign enough? #ELTChat |
| 8:43 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @DaveDodgson: What about the potential clash of using dogme in an exam driven system? #eltchat |
| 8:43 pm |
olafelch: |
@dfogarty Disagree. Some people get it instinctively. Some have to work at it, and a few just don't have the right mindset. #ELTChat |
| 8:43 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni We attract them to start with. They are happy. They stay with us. Quality product. #eltchat |
| 8:43 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @DaveDodgson: What about the potential clash of using dogme in an exam driven system? #eltchat |
| 8:43 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @DaveDodgson: What about the potential clash of using dogme in an exam driven system? #ELTchat |
| 8:44 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @DaveDodgson: What about the potential clash of using dogme in an exam driven system? #ELTchat Change the (evaluation) system! |
| 8:44 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @DaveDodgson: RT @dfogarty: DOGME: 4 those who know, no explanation is necess; 4those who don't, no explanation is poss. #ELTChat >LOL! |
| 8:44 pm |
dfogarty: |
Kids are learning the language of others. Is this foreign enough? #ELTChat |
| 8:44 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @DaveDodgson: What about the potential clash of using dogme in an exam driven system? #ELTchat |
| 8:44 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@dfogarty Quite #ELTChat |
| 8:44 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @PixieAnia: we need to keep making coursebook lessons as enjoyable as dogma! less handouts > more trees saved:-) @#ELTchat |
| 8:44 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@dfogarty Quite- and without any other mediating language #ELTChat |
| 8:44 pm |
rliberni: |
OK, are we prepared to accept that Dogme is something we can identify with and use? #eltchat |
| 8:44 pm |
dfogarty: |
@nutrich Disagree that this is highbrow. This is lowbrow. #ELTChat |
| 8:45 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@nutrich So 1st get them to ditch CBs and then exams too... Easier said than done! #ELTchat |
| 8:45 pm |
evangml: |
RT @PixieAnia: we need to keep making coursebook lessons as enjoyable as dogma! less handouts > more trees saved:-) @#ELTchat |
| 8:45 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson I think that depends on the skills of the teacher in guiding the group. But I'm sure it can be done. #ELTchat |
| 8:45 pm |
rliberni: |
@lydbury are you saying you don't want to rock the boat or they don't want anything to change? #eltchat |
| 8:45 pm |
bcinfrance: |
@rliberni Of course but I feel dogme puts a lot of emphasis on the class's needs, not an individual approach as such.#eltchat |
| 8:45 pm |
vickyloras: |
Yes,thank you Dave,was thinking abt that!RT @DaveDodgson What about the potential clash of using dogme in an exam driven system? #ELTchat |
| 8:45 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @rliberni: OK, are we prepared to accept that Dogme is something we can identify with and use? #eltchat |
| 8:46 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Really helpful that one #eltchat |
| 8:46 pm |
dfogarty: |
@olafelch Don't think it can be instinctive. It is learnt. #ELTChat |
| 8:46 pm |
nutrich: |
#eltchat DOGME: not understood by many, though the many are not helped by a shroud of 'I know but you don't secrecy'. |
| 8:46 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @lydbury: @rliberni We attract them to start with. They are happy. They stay with us. Quality product. #eltchat |
| 8:46 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@dfogarty Quite foreign - and with no mediating language #ELTchat |
| 8:46 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Really helpful t@rliberni hat one #eltchat #eltchat |
| 8:46 pm |
olafelch: |
@rliberni Identify with, yes. Use, yes. the question is to what degree? #ELTchat |
| 8:46 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @nutrich 1st get them to ditch CBs ..then exams #ELTchat > don't have2 ditch exams, but design them t2 test wot kids learn |
| 8:47 pm |
SueannaN: |
i find it easier 2 have student-centred lessons w/ adults, but my collegues oftn do it w/ R mini stay teens, who R fed-up w/ Cbooks #ELTCHAT |
| 8:47 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch Just that in my school, exam content is finalised 2/3 days before. What if the dogme teacher has missed whole topics? #ELTchat |
| 8:47 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @DaveDodgson: @nutrich So 1st get them to ditch CBs and then exams too... Easier said than done! #ELTchat yeah, I know! Think long-term! |
| 8:47 pm |
dfogarty: |
@Marisa_C But language mediates itself! #ELTChat |
| 8:47 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: @rliberni Identify with, yes. Use, yes. the question is to what degree? #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 8:47 pm |
grahamstanley: |
#ELTChat hi everyone - I really enjoyed last Saturday's dogme chat around the virtual campfire at #slang10 SLanguages with @thornburyscott |
| 8:47 pm |
PixieAnia: |
though...i love handouts! @#ELTchat |
| 8:47 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Not at all - our boat rocks firmly #eltchat |
| 8:47 pm |
olafelch: |
@nutrich I think some people do see it as a clique. #ELTchat |
| 8:48 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@dfogarty It does indeed - am not disagreeing with you that it is possible #ELTchat |
| 8:48 pm |
rliberni: |
@olafelch ok so in a 1 on 1 or small group, no exam & no pressures to perform it would work? #eltchat |
| 8:48 pm |
bcinfrance: |
Of course but is this a feature of dogme?RT @esolcourses: RT @ rliberni @bcinfrance shouldn't it be individual even within a class? #eltchat |
| 8:48 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
dogme & exams? if we take exam format as starting point 4 conversation & negotiation - can this b dogme? #ELTchat -sorry another question! |
| 8:48 pm |
nutrich: |
@grahamstanley is that available as a recording on the ning? #eltchat |
| 8:48 pm |
annabooklover: |
The more experienced I get the more I can teach Dogme style, without materials. In the past I felt security with lots of handouts #ELTCHAT |
| 8:49 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Not at all - our boat rocks firmly #eltchat |
| 8:49 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson The content is set, but not the scope, surely? #ELTchat |
| 8:49 pm |
grahamstanley: |
@grahamstanley #ELTChat I love the fact that dogme can be transferred to many different learning contexts ...including virtual worlds |
| 8:49 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@grahamstanley Hi there! Wish I could have been there. Was too busy grading exams - another thing I'd like "to dogma" :-( #ELTCHAT |
| 8:49 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@olafelch @nutrich yes, and I think that's unfortunate -( some people think of it as a clique ) #dogmeme #ELTchat |
| 8:49 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @grahamstanley: #ELTChat I love the fact that dogme can be transferred to many different learning contexts ...including virtual worlds |
| 8:50 pm |
nutrich: |
@olafelch #ELTchat I can see both sides and appreciate that @englishraven and @kalinagoenglish are doing a lot to spread the word |
| 8:50 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch Very much based on specific grammar points and target vocab I'm afraid #ELTchat |
| 8:50 pm |
Marisa_C: |
twitter overload #ELTchat |
| 8:50 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
At its heart,dogme is an invitation to talk.Limits more institutional than human.Many accounts of YL dogme.My exp mainly adults. #ELTchat |
| 8:50 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @grahamstanley: #ELTChat I love the fact that dogme can be transferred to many different learning contexts ...including virtual worlds |
| 8:50 pm |
SueannaN: |
That's why I originally said EXPERIENCED teachers #ELTCHAT |
| 8:50 pm |
olafelch: |
I'm having API problems. #ELTchat |
| 8:51 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@elaan Good question! Maybe students are the gas, but we provide the spark. ;-) #eltchat |
| 8:51 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@olafelch @nutrich yes, and I think that's unfortunate some people think of it as a clique ) #dogmeme#ELTchat |
| 8:51 pm |
dfogarty: |
Twitter being very strange, #ELTChat |
| 8:51 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@LukeMeddings Many accounts of YL dogme. What age range exactly? #ELTchat |
| 8:51 pm |
grahamstanley: |
@nutrich #eltchat yes it is : http://avalon-project.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dogme-in-second-life |
| 8:51 pm |
vickyloras: |
RT @annabooklover More experienced I get,more I can teach Dogme style, w/o materials.In past I felt security w/lots of handouts #ELTCHAT |
| 8:51 pm |
rliberni: |
Are we saying that we like the asea of Dogme but the reality is not attainable cos of outside pressures? #eltchat |
| 8:51 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @LukeMeddings: At its heart,dogme an invitation to talk.Limits more institutional than human.Many accounts of YL . #ELTchat |
| 8:52 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @lukemeddings: At its heart,dogme is an invitation to talk.Limits more institutional than human. #ELTchat |
| 8:52 pm |
dfogarty: |
If dogme means so many different things, does it mean anything? #ELTChat |
| 8:52 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @olafelch: I'm having API problems. #ELTchat |
| 8:52 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson I seriously believe those should be set long in advance. the format can be done at the last minute. #ELTchat |
| 8:52 pm |
SimonGreenall: |
For teachers with concerns about curriculum, exams, CBs cn help Bt dogme is the best most logical way of addressing learners needs.#ELTchat |
| 8:52 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @rliberni: Are we saying that we like the asea of Dogme but the reality is not attainable cos of outside pressures? #eltchat |
| 8:52 pm |
bcinfrance: |
@olafelch Me too, had to drop out for a bit #eltchat |
| 8:52 pm |
rliberni: |
shucks! idea of Dogme! #eltchat |
| 8:52 pm |
esolcourses: |
@bcinfrance I'd be inclined to say it is, myself (i.e. opposite end of spectrum to "one size fits all" lesson) @ rliberni #eltchat |
| 8:52 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @bethcagnol: RT @olafelch: I'm having API problems. #ELTchat me 2 |
| 8:52 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @LukeMeddings: My exp mainly adults. #ELTchat |
| 8:53 pm |
annehodg: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @LukeMeddings: At its heart,dogme an invitation to talk.Limits more institutional than human.Many accounts of YL . #ELTchat |
| 8:53 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @lukemeddings: At its heart,dogme is an invitation to talk.Limits more institutional than human. #ELTchat |
| 8:53 pm |
nutrich: |
@kalinagoenglish the more information gets out there, the more that attitude will change, like the blogosphere #eltchat |
| 8:53 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Thanks for the RT - that's exactly what I mean #eltchat |
| 8:53 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
Thanks so much @LukeMeddings for joining us! Wish we didnt have this Twitter problem! #ELTChat |
| 8:53 pm |
olafelch: |
@rliberni I have no problem with an exam as long as the scope is set in advance (as it should be!) #eltchat |
| 8:53 pm |
LukeMeddings: |
Can't be a clique if we want people to join in!Why write a book showing people how to do it?Why blog encouraging participation? #ELTchat |
| 8:53 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch agreed. Not the way it is in my school alas #ELTchat |
| 8:53 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @olafelch @nutrich yes, and I think that's unfortunate some people think of it as a clique ) #dogmeme #ELTchat |
| 8:54 pm |
olafelch: |
RT @lukemeddings: At its heart,dogme is an invitation to talk.Limits more institutional than human. #ELTchat |
| 8:54 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Ah - very happy for things t o change but not for change sake #eltchat |
| 8:54 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @DaveDodgson: RT @rliberni: Are we saying that we like the asea of Dogme but reality is not attainable cos of outde pressures? #eltchat |
| 8:54 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Ah - very happy for things t o change but not for change sake@rliberni #eltchat |
| 8:54 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
@LukeMeddings: At its heart,dogme an invitation to talk #ELTchat > gr8 chats possible with 4/5/6 yr olds - but need physical activity too |
| 8:55 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@ShellTerrell I know... been having trouble connecting myself - have lost it momenarily I hope #ELTchat #failwhale |
| 8:55 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @olafelch: @rliberni I have no problem with an exam as long as the scope is set in advance (as it should be!) #eltchat |
| 8:55 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Ah - very happy for things t o change but not for change sake #eltchat |
| 8:55 pm |
rliberni: |
@lydbury of course I agree - so what is the inertia you mentioned? #eltchat |
| 8:55 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @LukeMeddings: Can't be a clique if we want people to join in!Why write a book showing people how to do it?Why blog encouraging participation? #ELTchat |
| 8:55 pm |
olafelch: |
@DaveDodgson You need some serious team discussions about quality and planning. ;o) #ELTchat |
| 8:55 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: RT @lukemeddings: At its heart,dogme is an invitation to talk.Limits more institutional than human. #ELTchat |
| 8:55 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni Yes #eltchat |
| 8:55 pm |
nutrich: |
#ELTchat The IDEA of dogme, as in - learner focused and conversation based - is a valuable notion to keep in mind |
| 8:55 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
A surprising amount is possible with YLs. Problem is YL schools are more institutionalised than adult learning contexts #ELTchat |
| 8:55 pm |
hooperchris: |
@rliberni I'd say dogme is great approach for some teachers and some studs. Not all though #eltchat |
| 8:55 pm |
grahamstanley: |
YL dogme example #eltchat - an 8 year old came to class with a sticker collection, so we all spent the next 10 mins talking about them |
| 8:56 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@olafelch I'm the lone voice of reason at present. Working on it though ;) #ELTchat |
| 8:56 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
@dfogarty what is the colour of the sky? what is the colour of blue? At best man is not meant to have 1 opinion on any one thing #ELTchat |
| 8:56 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @shellterrell: Thanks so much @LukeMeddings for joining us! Wish we didnt have this Twitter problem! #ELTChat |
| 8:56 pm |
lydbury: |
@rliberni When they have chosen us they stick with us - maybe we are just good! #eltchat |
| 8:56 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @LukeMeddings: Can't be a clique if we want people to join in!Why write a book showing people how to do it? #ELTchat |
| 8:56 pm |
olafelch: |
So how would dogme proponents suggest we go about introducing it in schools? #ELTchat |
| 8:57 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @DaveDodgson: surprising amount is poss with YLs. Problem is YL schools are more institutionalised than adult learning contexts #ELTchat |
| 8:57 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@grahamstanley And if their stickers get confiscated by some old battleaxe on the way to class? :p #ELTchat |
| 8:57 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
If you get this @LukeMeddings @DaveDodgson asked about Dogme in contexts of pressure of exams #ELTChat |
| 8:57 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @grahamstanley: YL dogme example - an 8 year old came to class with a sticker collection, so we spent 10 mins talking about it #eltchat |
| 8:57 pm |
BethCagnol: |
If my French teacher were 2 just start chatting with us, I would think it's pretty cool. I wouldn't think she's winging it. Funny.. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:57 pm |
lydbury: |
@kalinagoenglish Indeed #ELTChat |
| 8:57 pm |
TEFL: |
RT @kalinagoenglish: @dfogarty what is the colour of the sky? what is the colour of blue? At best man is not meant to have 1 opinion on any one thing #ELTchat |
| 8:57 pm |
rliberni: |
see their inertia - that's more like customer satisfaction I think! #eltchat |
| 8:57 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Having problems with twitter API #ELTchat |
| 8:58 pm |
ShellTerrell: |
RT @olafelch: So how would dogme proponents suggest we go about introducing it in schools? #ELTchat |
| 8:58 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol But she probably is. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:58 pm |
TEFL: |
@grahamstanley Love that example. These are the experiences my own kids always report when I ask "How was school?" #ELTChat |
| 8:58 pm |
Marisa_C: |
So how would dogme proponents suggest we go about introducing it in schools? #ELTchat |
| 8:58 pm |
nutrich: |
RT @grahamstanley: YL dogme #eltchat - an 8 year old came to class with a sticker collection, so we spent the nxt 10 mins talking about them |
| 8:58 pm |
cerirhiannon: |
RT @Marisa_C: Having problems with twitter API #ELTchat > me too, switch it off and switch it back on again seems to work ;) |
| 8:59 pm |
lydbury: |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @LukeMeddings: Can't be a clique if we want people join in!Why write a book showing people how to do it? #ELTchat <Yeah! |
| 8:59 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @grahamstanley: YL dogme example - an 8 year old came to class with a sticker collection, so we spent 10 mins talking about it #eltchat |
| 8:59 pm |
rliberni: |
@hooperchris no one style, method would be good for everyone each must choose their own mix & adapt to diff stds #eltchat |
| 8:59 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @Marisa_C: So how would dogme proponents suggest we go about introducing it in schools? #eltchat |
| 8:59 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@lydbury But I wouldn't see it that way, as a student...I would think she's taking mental note of our progress, mistakes, etc. #ELTCHAT |
| 8:59 pm |
annabooklover: |
Have to go folks! Really enjoyed my first #ELTCHAT. Previous Wednesdays were girls night out, so I had missed it! Thanks to moderators! |
| 8:59 pm |
Marisa_C: |
RT @TEFL: @grahamstanley Love that example. These are the experiences my own kids always report when I ask "How was school?" #ELTChat |
| 9:00 pm |
lydbury: |
@Marisa_C Still really don't quite understand what dogme is. Yes I know what it is but don't understand #ELTchat |
| 9:00 pm |
olafelch: |
@ShellTerrell I believe the dogme approach is good for sts in exams - they don't get obsessed with every word in the book. #ELTchat |
| 9:00 pm |
SueannaN: |
Lots of comments, but I think this subject needs another session, don't you? #ELTCHAT |
| 9:00 pm |
lydbury: |
@Marisa_C Still really don't quite understand what dogme is. Yes know what it is but don't understand #ELTchat |
| 9:00 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @SueannaN: Lots of comments, but I think this subject needs another session, don't you? #ELTCHAT #eltchat |
| 9:01 pm |
lydbury: |
@Marisa_C Still really don't quite understand what dogme is. Yes k@bethcagnol now what it is but don't understand #ELTchat #ELTCHAT |
| 9:01 pm |
SueannaN: |
Lots of comments, but I think ths subject needs another session, dont U? #ELTCHAT |
| 9:01 pm |
nutrich: |
@olafelch the problem is that the changes needed to introduce dogme are on an institutional level and most teachers have no control #eltchat |
| 9:01 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@SueAnnan YES! But only after talking about discipline in the English language classroom. ;-) HA! #ELTCHAT |
| 9:02 pm |
esolcourses: |
RT @SueAnnan Lots of comments, but I think this subject needs another session, don't you? #ELTCHAT ] agree - esp. in view of #failwhale |
| 9:02 pm |
vickyloras: |
Been fighting with the failwhale the past eight minutes - grrrrrrr #ELTChat |
| 9:02 pm |
annabooklover: |
RT @BethCagnol: @SueAnnan YES! But only after talking about discipline in the English language classroom. ;-) HA! #ELTCHAT |
| 9:02 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@grahamstanley LOL. Seriously though, had a kid in tears once because I asked him to bring collection in & it was confiscated #ELTchat |
| 9:02 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Not arguing with that at all. D #ELTCHAT |
| 9:03 pm |
rliberni: |
@olafelch agree but we should have space to respond to things that come up - it's important not to be too regimented #eltchat |
| 9:03 pm |
SueannaN: |
great discussion as always. Many thanks to those who make it possible #ELTCHAT |
| 9:03 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Not arguing with that at all. D @Marisa_C #ELTCHAT |
| 9:03 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
RT @nutrich: @olafelch problem is the changes needed to introduce dogme are on institutional level & most teachers have no control #eltchat |
| 9:03 pm |
olafelch: |
@nutrich I chose my words badly there. I really meant allowing dogme as an option. #eltchat |
| 9:03 pm |
SueannaN: |
RT @bethcagnol: @SueAnnan YES! But only after talking about discipline in the English language classroom. ;-) HA! #ELTCHAT> Ha funny |
| 9:03 pm |
nutrich: |
That was a great #eltchat Unfortunately, as is often true with a dogme debate - there are more questions than answers! |
| 9:04 pm |
bcnpaul1: |
once a month give sts a choice of areas they want to work on, e.g. some speaking, some grammar etc, or use a poll in previous week #ELTChat |
| 9:04 pm |
kalinagoenglish: |
RT @esolcourses @SueAnnan Lots of comments, but think this subject needs another session #ELTCHAT ] agree - esp. in view of #failwhale |
| 9:04 pm |
BethCagnol: |
RT @SueAnnan great discussion as always. Many thanks to those who make it possible #ELTCHAT |
| 9:04 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Not arguing with that at all. D @Marisa_C @Marisa_C #ELTCHAT |
| 9:04 pm |
anakaserena: |
Yes, @esolcourses, another session. #ELTCHAT Tried to join in but kept getting the #failwhale. Ugh! |
| 9:04 pm |
dfogarty: |
@Marisa_C don't know if my version of Dogme is school-friendly. #ELTchat |
| 9:04 pm |
Marisa_C: |
@lydbury #ELTchat Well, think of this discussion and all the language which has emerged from it as an example -only u no lang learners :-) |
| 9:04 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@LukeMeddings For schools & exams, government ministries need convincing! #ELTchat |
| 9:05 pm |
rliberni: |
@DaveDodgson that's sad, seen it time again - can't tchrs communicate w/each other? #eltchat |
| 9:05 pm |
lydbury: |
@Marisa_C Yeah sure - no probs with that at all - here to learn! #ELTchat |
| 9:05 pm |
olafelch: |
@LukeMeddings I don't see exams per se as the enemy, more the obsession with exams. #ELTchat |
| 9:05 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@lydbury You'd better not agrue! Or else I'll send you to the principal's office. ;-) #ELTCHAT |
| 9:05 pm |
BethCagnol: |
@lydbury You'd better not agrue! Or else I'll send you to the principal's office. ;-) #ELTCHAT |
| 9:05 pm |
dfogarty: |
@Marisa_C Dogme needs the right environment. Schools not it. #ELTchat |
| 9:06 pm |
rliberni: |
RT @olafelch: @LukeMeddings I don't see exams per se as the enemy, more the obsession with exams. #ELTchat #eltchat |
| 9:06 pm |
nutrich: |
@LukeMeddings @ShellTerrell @davedodgson The backwash effect from exams is a big problem in general, not just related to dogme #eltchat |
| 9:06 pm |
lydbury: |
@bethcagnol Spanking? :-) #ELTCHAT |
| 9:06 pm |
olafelch: |
Because of the API problems, I'll wait a while before collecting the transcript to allow the convos to finish. #ELTchat |
| 9:06 pm |
PixieAnia: |
RT @DaveDodgson: RT @nutrich: @olafelch problem is the changes needed to introduce dogme are on institutional level & most teachers have no control #eltchat |
| 9:07 pm |
DaveDodgson: |
@rliberni You should have seen the reaction to my in class fancy dress party! #ELTchat |
| 9:07 pm |
Marisa_C: |
Thanks to all for a v interesting chat - failed to moderate properly due to API probs towards the end but always stimulating! #ELTchat |
| 9:07 pm |
BethCagnol: |
Gonna have to turn in guys. Amarula and Angus and Julia Stone while chatting dogma have taken effect. Great #ELTCHAT! |
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