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Teacher Talking Time

Page history last edited by sue annan 5 years, 9 months ago
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:00:33 who's ready for tonight's #eltchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:05:11 Good evening @Marisa_C  @SueAnnan #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:05:25 Anyone else ready to join us? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:05:28 @ELTC_TD @Marisa_C Hi Holly#eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:06:52 #eltchat remember the hashtag https://t.co/AO8stpHbcG
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:07:14 Hi there - I posted a padlet with a few links collected from here and there - have a look #eltchat https://t.co/aGak1cdYEk
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:08:00 @Marisa_C Yes, I saw that. I have a couple of articles I could add to your padlet #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:08:06 @este_moscow Hey tired from exam? How did it g? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:09:10 That would be really cool! :-) #ELTchat - was looking from sth abt IRF online but didn't have enough time to find s… https://t.co/Mfp9bLvE08
este_moscow 2018-06-06T18:10:15 @Marisa_C Yup, long day. And have to say goodbye to some people tonight. Won’t lie, it was pretty rough. That final… https://t.co/VHlkn4fjZW
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:10:55 TTT for me means not being afraid of silence in the classroom #ELTChat @Marisa_C @SueAnnan
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:12:27 @ELTC_TD @Marisa_C I like to hold back, but sometimes I speak when nothing is forthcoming :-) #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:12:47 @ELTC_TD @SueAnnan It's true that many Ts nervous abt silence they jump right in #ELtchat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:13:11 Not all TT is bad though. We need to remember that we are language models as well #eltchat
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:13:56 Hello #ELTChat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:14:28 oops forgot the hashtag myself!! #ELTChat https://t.co/UEAjK0ZCCD
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:14:40 @fionaljp Hi Fi #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:15:12 Very true - but much of the talk i see in novice Ts esp is lack of prep or planning what to say - not all Ts quicko… https://t.co/Xe7ssBJB39
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:15:19 #ELTChat https://t.co/PBPZck1p0y
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:15:33 #ELTChat https://t.co/dRZkExgkMp
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:15:39 @fionaljp Hey Fionita #eltchat great to see  you
este_moscow 2018-06-06T18:16:36 @Marisa_C Yes. Pretty grim. #eltchat.
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:16:47 Trainers very often tell trainees to record self and notice what they say - do u think this is enough? #eltchat how… https://t.co/SugiUruQpe
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:16:53 @SueAnnan Yes, TT is essential. It’s about developing effective TT, isn’t it? #ELTChat
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:16:55 #ELTChat Thought I'd say hi instead of lurching in the background again...
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:16:56 @ELTC_TD @Marisa_C Don't forget the #ELTchat hashtag Honey
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:17:34 @Marisa_C Nice to be here #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:17:42 @kenteris Hey there don't hide in the woodwork again talk to us #eltchat
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:17:57 @SueAnnan Hi Sue #ELTChat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:17:57 @kenteris Great to see you here #ELTChat
este_moscow 2018-06-06T18:18:26 @Marisa_C Well, I got creative, maybe that’ll get me some marks :) Wish we didn’t have to wait so long for the results. #ELTChat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:18:41 And effective TTT helps build rapport with students #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:19:22 Yes - we cannot be silent - often Ts tho neglect or lack practice in formulation good elicitation questions ; hence… https://t.co/5Spv9WKLlj
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:19:32 @ELTC_TD Yes. But waffle is not good #ELTChat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:19:45 @Marisa_C Think carefully about what you're going to say (instructions and CCQs) before going into class #ELTChat
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:19:59 Ok... Agreed... As a trainee I would really like to know if I talk too much or just enough to elicit what they need… https://t.co/njCBADN9j7
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:20:50 @kenteris you could record yourself and check if you really wanted to know #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:21:15 Some ppl and books deliver aphorisms about percentages of T vs Student talk-  I think this is very facile #eltchat… https://t.co/HVsi5ifxGO
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:22:13 @Marisa_C Yes, recording is a good idea or asking an observer to focus feedback specifically on TT #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:22:28 There is a lof of useful literature about ways of coding talk in the classroom #eltchat and more recent work in cla… https://t.co/QnCqKuizjP
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:23:19 One simple way is draw a diagram of the class seating with a circle for each person and put a tick every time they talk - #eltchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:23:41 @Marisa_C I think many experienced teachers have issues with this even. Effective TTT can be tricky #ELTChat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:23:57 I've spent the last few days putting out fires. My co-teacher is a TTT fanatic and the students hate it #ELTChat
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:24:12 @ELTC_TD @Marisa_C True! #ELTChat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:24:50 Checking TTT #ELTChat https://t.co/krsGjSKPjW
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:25:10 @SueAnnan What is a TTT fanatic Sue? #ELTChat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:25:21 @SueAnnan In what way a fanatic? #ELTChat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:25:55 @fionaljp someone who cant stop waffling in the classroom, leaving little time for STT #ELTChat
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:26:24 @SueAnnan One of the things teachers should realise early on is that it's not about them but the learners. Usually,… https://t.co/mzNZdVMbRF
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:26:57 @SueAnnan @fionaljp Why do they do this? Lack of experience? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:27:09 @kenteris @SueAnnan Yep - the key word being 'unprepared' many T think they can wing it #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:27:44 @Marisa_C @kenteris Been on the receiving end of that a time or two #ELTChat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:28:12 @ELTC_TD @fionaljp Maybe, or just likes the sound of his own voice? #ELTChat
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:29:30 @ELTC_TD @SueAnnan @fionaljp I see this more with confident teachers that lack the nack for Cpd in any form.. #eltchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:29:49 Sometimes it can be good to get to students to do what you'd do normally as a teacher. Like getting feedback on ans… https://t.co/izDas118zZ
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:30:29 @kenteris @ELTC_TD @fionaljp I agree. Sometimes that is the case, but occasionally it is someone out of their depth #ELTChat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:30:42 I think it's good to ask yourself "Do I need to say X, Y or Z or could the students do it instead?" #ELTChat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:31:19 @SueAnnan @kenteris @fionaljp Out of their depth? Student or teacher? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:31:43 @ELTC_TD Good - even T Qs can be handed over to Ss - in a simple way - T questions in traditional classrooms often… https://t.co/3Z1zXGzRKd
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:31:56 @ELTC_TD @kenteris @fionaljp Sorry HOlly- teacher! #eltchat
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:32:13 @kenteris @SueAnnan Good point -  to refocus perspective on how to support learning i.e. effective TT #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:32:47 @Marisa_C @ELTC_TD Demand HIgh? #eltchat
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:32:52 Teacher-centered approach could also risk increasing TTT #eltchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:33:25 @Marisa_C Yes, if we want to encourage critical thinking then getting students to think of questions to ask each ot… https://t.co/vJhokMRxd0
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:33:39 @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD Not really - don't like this label - this has been in the literature since the 70's80;'s#eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:35:40 @Marisa_C @ELTC_TD Yes, but it makes for more effective questions from teachers #eltchat
naomishema 2018-06-06T18:36:10 Hello #eltchat from a late lurker!
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:36:17 I remember @jamiekeddie gave a great presentation on developing TT #ELTchathttps://t.co/TSJVZyYrsi
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:36:35 @naomishema Hi Naomi #ELTChat
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:36:46 @naomishema Hi Naomi #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:36:52 @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD Perhaps, for ppl who have just discovered the ins and out of classroom discourse - a convenient foothold #eltchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:37:00 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C I think this depends on the level of the students. I've tried this and had some brilliant quest… https://t.co/wIJuAHUkAi
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:37:04 @fionaljp @jamiekeddie There was a good TED talk on it somewhere too. #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:39:40 Hello #eltchat - my Twitter account was blocked! Someone tried to ise my credentials in a country in the middle of… https://t.co/53yAzSOWoo
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:40:26 I've known teachers who were brilliant at telling stories and getting students' attention, and the atmosphere in th… https://t.co/TZWKkCMODj
naomishema 2018-06-06T18:40:28 @angelos_bollas Wow, so unfair! #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:40:31 @angelos_bollas Hey great to see you - how goes it ? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:40:45 @angelos_bollas HI Angelos mou#ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:41:51 This is a good book to read - Classroom Interaction - some of it on Google Books https://t.co/2THoRmM8NW ##eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:42:04 @Marisa_C ❤️ love and hugs :)June is very difficult for us but... same is true for you, right? #eltchat
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:42:26 Hi from me too.... #ELTChat https://t.co/9jUzvpEKtc
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:43:39 @angelos_bollas Hello Angelos #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:43:48 @Marisa_C You are the best! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:43:50 Another good book by Stephen Walsh - again some of it on Google books #eltchat https://t.co/9IKlscNUnv
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:45:12 @angelos_bollas Hello! Sorry to hear Twitter problems - glad sorted #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:45:44 I am sure someone must have mentioned it already but recording and transcribing bits of one’s lesson can be very us… https://t.co/jYLva8pH4y
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:46:17 @fionaljp It happened with my FB account 9 months ago or so.. #eltchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:46:57 @angelos_bollas Do you think a lot of teachers do this? I mean experienced ones who have been teaching for years and years. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:47:35 @angelos_bollas Very! #ELTchat Categories of talk also important - most Ts unaware of just HOW MUCH of the talk is… https://t.co/uu77BrwgjE
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:48:32 @ELTC_TD No. It’s time consuming and just one more thing for Ts to do. In an ideal world, though, where Ts receive… https://t.co/zXTwPCobDU
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:48:46 @ELTC_TD @angelos_bollas I think there is always room for improvement #eltchat - it’s what I really like about teaching
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:48:48 @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas I like the TT which is used for settling the class down at the start. IT always throws up… https://t.co/vfTKr4LHj2
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:49:19 @angelos_bollas Yep, has been mentioned... Will try recording myself in one of my next teaching sessions...#eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:49:29 @SueAnnan @angelos_bollas Yes, we shouldn't get obsessive depressive abt ALL teacher talk - #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:50:01 @Marisa_C I am certainly guilty of that myself. Contrary to what I would have thought, I am doing much better with… https://t.co/vEmg2VlE7i
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:50:45 @angelos_bollas Te he he - because we think easier with higher levels to elicit more? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:51:03 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C And certainly some Ls appreciate it a lot #eltchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:51:06 @angelos_bollas I think it also involves getting permission off students in some places (and filling in forms for this). #ELTchat
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:51:18 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Depends on class size though... I find peer talk is much more authentic with a… https://t.co/sksEml0BSj
Oscars_place 2018-06-06T18:51:26 #eltchat My first 2 years teaching I hardly spoke to my students for fear of TTT, bar giving instructions & answeri… https://t.co/0qaiPAGbP6
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:52:05 @Marisa_C Exactly! Haha and instead of eliciting we sometimes end up narrating the story of our life! :-p #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:52:10 Flanders introduced a simple ticking system - listen to a teacher or yourself and every 4 pr 5 seconds tick a categ… https://t.co/iPBLGCd0dn
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:53:00 @ELTC_TD Very true. If we explain though why we do this, most of them are happy to say yes :) it’s for their benefi… https://t.co/JvLzSSzinU
Oscars_place 2018-06-06T18:53:30 #eltchat It generated so much student language & I learnt that TTT can be effective if well planned. I still don't… https://t.co/c0AXsepyF8
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:53:33 @kenteris @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Yes. I have small classes at the moment, and my biggest class is only ever a ma… https://t.co/1WFV1ngeXB
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:53:59 @angelos_bollas @ELTC_TD probably because they were taught that way and think what was good enough for them is also… https://t.co/UnSn0CJB7R
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:54:36 @Oscars_place very true not all of it sinful!!! :-) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:54:39 @Oscars_place I am sorry to hear trainers giving tips and recipes like this one to new teachers.. I might have done… https://t.co/3xzK26R0Fe
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T18:55:20 @Oscars_place Don’t we all? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:55:27 @angelos_bollas @Oscars_place reeks of poor training as well - #eltchat
fionaljp 2018-06-06T18:55:36 @Oscars_place Oh no! That is so sad you felt like that for so long because it really is about developing effective… https://t.co/oNJggvzPBN
kenteris 2018-06-06T18:55:57 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C That's when our students start to turn off too sometimes.. #eltchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T18:57:19 @Marisa_C Interesting idea! Have you ever tried this? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:57:39 @angelos_bollas remember my PK - choice episodes of your love life #ELTchat :-D
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T18:58:52 coming up to slow burn mode now. Any takers for summary writer? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T18:59:13 @ELTC_TD Yes i have and have developed several observation schedules inspired by this but using other categories eg… https://t.co/3mqVsIfJQl
Oscars_place 2018-06-06T19:01:41 @fionaljp On the positive side, I think it's probably far easier to learn to talk a bit more in class than the other way round. #ELTchat
ELTC_TD 2018-06-06T19:01:55 @Marisa_C I'd be interested in any reading recommendations you have about this #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-06-06T19:02:19 @ELTC_TD @Marisa_C did you see Marisa's padlet? #ELTChat
kenteris 2018-06-06T19:02:37 Thanks for having me tonight... Glad I jumped into your conversation... Certainly beats hanging around in the background.. #eltchat
fionaljp 2018-06-06T19:02:43 @SueAnnan Nice, enjoy! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:03:07 @Oscars_place @fionaljp :-) very true - and   have had to comment on less than needed #eltchat  But not often enough!!!!
Oscars_place 2018-06-06T19:04:29 @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas I wonder if CELTA courses focus on the too much TTT rather than the opposite because it i… https://t.co/n87n8Tt2M7
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:05:31 @ELTC_TD Have a look at this padlet please - I can add more titles to it if anyone interested #eltchat https://t.co/aGak1cdYEk
fionaljp 2018-06-06T19:06:05 @Oscars_place @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas I don’t think it is about ‘too much’, it’s more about relevance #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:07:37 Oh nice! Some ppl adding links to padlet - great! #eltchat
fionaljp 2018-06-06T19:08:23 @Marisa_C @ELTC_TD Added Jamie Keddie’s presentation #ELTchat to Padlet
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:08:49 @fionaljp @ELTC_TD Lovely!!! #eltchat <3
angelos_bollas 2018-06-06T19:11:23 @Marisa_C That’s what I had in mind when I wrote that tweet :-p #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:13:12 @ELTC_TD @angelos_bollas That is fantastic but also very very easy to set up a blog! #eltchat I will keep your badge on ice for when you do!
Shujaat_English 2018-06-06T19:15:14 #eltchat Teacher talk is getting a lot of attention again, and for goid measure. Sometimes students cant get enough… https://t.co/0j4brD1PVQ
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:16:30 @ELTC_TD @angelos_bollas Indeed we will - @SueAnnan will post the transcript on the #ELTchat timeline tomorrow some… https://t.co/U22yi6QNpt
Shujaat_English 2018-06-06T19:16:54 #eltchat Now why would they generally say keep it low at lower levels when exposure is possible only through TT in… https://t.co/xZOZsHFTLh
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:17:48 @Shujaat_English So true - not every single teacher is an engaging speaker - so sometimes it can be lethal (or slee… https://t.co/JWkw1TIG1m
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:23:04 @Shujaat_English No only - for YL's for example the teacher as story teller is a great use of teacher talk #eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-06-06T19:23:48 Will keep an eye on the #slowburn #ELtchat but for now will say have a nice evening everyone and
tesolmatthew 2018-06-06T23:31:16 For this reason, it would be good to spend more time in training on quality of talk rather than activate the quanti… https://t.co/MYLvlF9mNO
tesolmatthew 2018-06-07T05:14:38 Recent tweets reminded me of this #ELTchat summary from Feb. 2016 on what ppl would like to have had more/less of i… https://t.co/Qz12GcwVqq
MartinaEmke 2018-06-07T06:11:51 Food for thought!#ELTchat#ELT https://t.co/AazGZoaQ8W
tesolmatthew 2018-06-07T08:56:25 @Marisa_C Do you have a link for that? #ELTchat https://t.co/bmzjPYbugd
Marisa_C 2018-06-07T11:46:58 @tesolmatthew It's a book but you can read various reviews of Flanders' Interaction Analysis via Google - link to b… https://t.co/NOt80tsQCf
tesolmatthew 2018-06-07T15:22:21 Exactly. This has been one theme running through my FB for Ts on practicum over last 2 wks. I used images of an “in… https://t.co/k5BeSqqaOK


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