| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:00:33 |
who's ready for tonight's #eltchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:05:11 |
Good evening @Marisa_C @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:05:25 |
Anyone else ready to join us? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:05:28 |
@ELTC_TD @Marisa_C Hi Holly#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:06:52 |
#eltchat remember the hashtag https://t.co/AO8stpHbcG |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:07:14 |
Hi there - I posted a padlet with a few links collected from here and there - have a look #eltchat https://t.co/aGak1cdYEk |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:08:00 |
@Marisa_C Yes, I saw that. I have a couple of articles I could add to your padlet #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:08:06 |
@este_moscow Hey tired from exam? How did it g? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:09:10 |
That would be really cool! :-) #ELTchat - was looking from sth abt IRF online but didn't have enough time to find s… https://t.co/Mfp9bLvE08 |
| este_moscow |
2018-06-06T18:10:15 |
@Marisa_C Yup, long day. And have to say goodbye to some people tonight. Won’t lie, it was pretty rough. That final… https://t.co/VHlkn4fjZW |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:10:55 |
TTT for me means not being afraid of silence in the classroom #ELTChat @Marisa_C @SueAnnan |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:12:27 |
@ELTC_TD @Marisa_C I like to hold back, but sometimes I speak when nothing is forthcoming :-) #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:12:47 |
@ELTC_TD @SueAnnan It's true that many Ts nervous abt silence they jump right in #ELtchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:13:11 |
Not all TT is bad though. We need to remember that we are language models as well #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:13:56 |
Hello #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:14:28 |
oops forgot the hashtag myself!! #ELTChat https://t.co/UEAjK0ZCCD |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:14:40 |
@fionaljp Hi Fi #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:15:12 |
Very true - but much of the talk i see in novice Ts esp is lack of prep or planning what to say - not all Ts quicko… https://t.co/Xe7ssBJB39 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:15:19 |
#ELTChat https://t.co/PBPZck1p0y |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:15:33 |
#ELTChat https://t.co/dRZkExgkMp |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:15:39 |
@fionaljp Hey Fionita #eltchat great to see you |
| este_moscow |
2018-06-06T18:16:36 |
@Marisa_C Yes. Pretty grim. #eltchat. |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:16:47 |
Trainers very often tell trainees to record self and notice what they say - do u think this is enough? #eltchat how… https://t.co/SugiUruQpe |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:16:53 |
@SueAnnan Yes, TT is essential. It’s about developing effective TT, isn’t it? #ELTChat |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:16:55 |
#ELTChat Thought I'd say hi instead of lurching in the background again... |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:16:56 |
@ELTC_TD @Marisa_C Don't forget the #ELTchat hashtag Honey |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:17:34 |
@Marisa_C Nice to be here #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:17:42 |
@kenteris Hey there don't hide in the woodwork again talk to us #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:17:57 |
@SueAnnan Hi Sue #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:17:57 |
@kenteris Great to see you here #ELTChat |
| este_moscow |
2018-06-06T18:18:26 |
@Marisa_C Well, I got creative, maybe that’ll get me some marks :) Wish we didn’t have to wait so long for the results. #ELTChat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:18:41 |
And effective TTT helps build rapport with students #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:19:22 |
Yes - we cannot be silent - often Ts tho neglect or lack practice in formulation good elicitation questions ; hence… https://t.co/5Spv9WKLlj |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:19:32 |
@ELTC_TD Yes. But waffle is not good #ELTChat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:19:45 |
@Marisa_C Think carefully about what you're going to say (instructions and CCQs) before going into class #ELTChat |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:19:59 |
Ok... Agreed... As a trainee I would really like to know if I talk too much or just enough to elicit what they need… https://t.co/njCBADN9j7 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:20:50 |
@kenteris you could record yourself and check if you really wanted to know #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:21:15 |
Some ppl and books deliver aphorisms about percentages of T vs Student talk- I think this is very facile #eltchat… https://t.co/HVsi5ifxGO |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:22:13 |
@Marisa_C Yes, recording is a good idea or asking an observer to focus feedback specifically on TT #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:22:28 |
There is a lof of useful literature about ways of coding talk in the classroom #eltchat and more recent work in cla… https://t.co/QnCqKuizjP |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:23:19 |
One simple way is draw a diagram of the class seating with a circle for each person and put a tick every time they talk - #eltchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:23:41 |
@Marisa_C I think many experienced teachers have issues with this even. Effective TTT can be tricky #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:23:57 |
I've spent the last few days putting out fires. My co-teacher is a TTT fanatic and the students hate it #ELTChat |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:24:12 |
@ELTC_TD @Marisa_C True! #ELTChat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:24:50 |
Checking TTT #ELTChat https://t.co/krsGjSKPjW |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:25:10 |
@SueAnnan What is a TTT fanatic Sue? #ELTChat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:25:21 |
@SueAnnan In what way a fanatic? #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:25:55 |
@fionaljp someone who cant stop waffling in the classroom, leaving little time for STT #ELTChat |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:26:24 |
@SueAnnan One of the things teachers should realise early on is that it's not about them but the learners. Usually,… https://t.co/mzNZdVMbRF |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:26:57 |
@SueAnnan @fionaljp Why do they do this? Lack of experience? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:27:09 |
@kenteris @SueAnnan Yep - the key word being 'unprepared' many T think they can wing it #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:27:44 |
@Marisa_C @kenteris Been on the receiving end of that a time or two #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:28:12 |
@ELTC_TD @fionaljp Maybe, or just likes the sound of his own voice? #ELTChat |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:29:30 |
@ELTC_TD @SueAnnan @fionaljp I see this more with confident teachers that lack the nack for Cpd in any form.. #eltchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:29:49 |
Sometimes it can be good to get to students to do what you'd do normally as a teacher. Like getting feedback on ans… https://t.co/izDas118zZ |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:30:29 |
@kenteris @ELTC_TD @fionaljp I agree. Sometimes that is the case, but occasionally it is someone out of their depth #ELTChat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:30:42 |
I think it's good to ask yourself "Do I need to say X, Y or Z or could the students do it instead?" #ELTChat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:31:19 |
@SueAnnan @kenteris @fionaljp Out of their depth? Student or teacher? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:31:43 |
@ELTC_TD Good - even T Qs can be handed over to Ss - in a simple way - T questions in traditional classrooms often… https://t.co/3Z1zXGzRKd |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:31:56 |
@ELTC_TD @kenteris @fionaljp Sorry HOlly- teacher! #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:32:13 |
@kenteris @SueAnnan Good point - to refocus perspective on how to support learning i.e. effective TT #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:32:47 |
@Marisa_C @ELTC_TD Demand HIgh? #eltchat |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:32:52 |
Teacher-centered approach could also risk increasing TTT #eltchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:33:25 |
@Marisa_C Yes, if we want to encourage critical thinking then getting students to think of questions to ask each ot… https://t.co/vJhokMRxd0 |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:33:39 |
@SueAnnan @ELTC_TD Not really - don't like this label - this has been in the literature since the 70's80;'s#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:35:40 |
@Marisa_C @ELTC_TD Yes, but it makes for more effective questions from teachers #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2018-06-06T18:36:10 |
Hello #eltchat from a late lurker! |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:36:17 |
I remember @jamiekeddie gave a great presentation on developing TT #ELTchathttps://t.co/TSJVZyYrsi |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:36:35 |
@naomishema Hi Naomi #ELTChat |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:36:46 |
@naomishema Hi Naomi #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:36:52 |
@SueAnnan @ELTC_TD Perhaps, for ppl who have just discovered the ins and out of classroom discourse - a convenient foothold #eltchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:37:00 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C I think this depends on the level of the students. I've tried this and had some brilliant quest… https://t.co/wIJuAHUkAi |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:37:04 |
@fionaljp @jamiekeddie There was a good TED talk on it somewhere too. #ELTChat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:39:40 |
Hello #eltchat - my Twitter account was blocked! Someone tried to ise my credentials in a country in the middle of… https://t.co/53yAzSOWoo |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:40:26 |
I've known teachers who were brilliant at telling stories and getting students' attention, and the atmosphere in th… https://t.co/TZWKkCMODj |
| naomishema |
2018-06-06T18:40:28 |
@angelos_bollas Wow, so unfair! #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:40:31 |
@angelos_bollas Hey great to see you - how goes it ? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:40:45 |
@angelos_bollas HI Angelos mou#ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:41:51 |
This is a good book to read - Classroom Interaction - some of it on Google Books https://t.co/2THoRmM8NW ##eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:42:04 |
@Marisa_C ❤️ love and hugs :)June is very difficult for us but... same is true for you, right? #eltchat |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:42:26 |
Hi from me too.... #ELTChat https://t.co/9jUzvpEKtc |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:43:39 |
@angelos_bollas Hello Angelos #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:43:48 |
@Marisa_C You are the best! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:43:50 |
Another good book by Stephen Walsh - again some of it on Google books #eltchat https://t.co/9IKlscNUnv |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:45:12 |
@angelos_bollas Hello! Sorry to hear Twitter problems - glad sorted #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:45:44 |
I am sure someone must have mentioned it already but recording and transcribing bits of one’s lesson can be very us… https://t.co/jYLva8pH4y |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:46:17 |
@fionaljp It happened with my FB account 9 months ago or so.. #eltchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:46:57 |
@angelos_bollas Do you think a lot of teachers do this? I mean experienced ones who have been teaching for years and years. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:47:35 |
@angelos_bollas Very! #ELTchat Categories of talk also important - most Ts unaware of just HOW MUCH of the talk is… https://t.co/uu77BrwgjE |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:48:32 |
@ELTC_TD No. It’s time consuming and just one more thing for Ts to do. In an ideal world, though, where Ts receive… https://t.co/zXTwPCobDU |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:48:46 |
@ELTC_TD @angelos_bollas I think there is always room for improvement #eltchat - it’s what I really like about teaching |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:48:48 |
@Marisa_C @angelos_bollas I like the TT which is used for settling the class down at the start. IT always throws up… https://t.co/vfTKr4LHj2 |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:49:19 |
@angelos_bollas Yep, has been mentioned... Will try recording myself in one of my next teaching sessions...#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:49:29 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas Yes, we shouldn't get obsessive depressive abt ALL teacher talk - #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:50:01 |
@Marisa_C I am certainly guilty of that myself. Contrary to what I would have thought, I am doing much better with… https://t.co/vEmg2VlE7i |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:50:45 |
@angelos_bollas Te he he - because we think easier with higher levels to elicit more? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:51:03 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C And certainly some Ls appreciate it a lot #eltchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:51:06 |
@angelos_bollas I think it also involves getting permission off students in some places (and filling in forms for this). #ELTchat |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:51:18 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Depends on class size though... I find peer talk is much more authentic with a… https://t.co/sksEml0BSj |
| Oscars_place |
2018-06-06T18:51:26 |
#eltchat My first 2 years teaching I hardly spoke to my students for fear of TTT, bar giving instructions & answeri… https://t.co/0qaiPAGbP6 |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:52:05 |
@Marisa_C Exactly! Haha and instead of eliciting we sometimes end up narrating the story of our life! :-p #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:52:10 |
Flanders introduced a simple ticking system - listen to a teacher or yourself and every 4 pr 5 seconds tick a categ… https://t.co/iPBLGCd0dn |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:53:00 |
@ELTC_TD Very true. If we explain though why we do this, most of them are happy to say yes :) it’s for their benefi… https://t.co/JvLzSSzinU |
| Oscars_place |
2018-06-06T18:53:30 |
#eltchat It generated so much student language & I learnt that TTT can be effective if well planned. I still don't… https://t.co/c0AXsepyF8 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:53:33 |
@kenteris @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Yes. I have small classes at the moment, and my biggest class is only ever a ma… https://t.co/1WFV1ngeXB |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:53:59 |
@angelos_bollas @ELTC_TD probably because they were taught that way and think what was good enough for them is also… https://t.co/UnSn0CJB7R |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:54:36 |
@Oscars_place very true not all of it sinful!!! :-) #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:54:39 |
@Oscars_place I am sorry to hear trainers giving tips and recipes like this one to new teachers.. I might have done… https://t.co/3xzK26R0Fe |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T18:55:20 |
@Oscars_place Don’t we all? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:55:27 |
@angelos_bollas @Oscars_place reeks of poor training as well - #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T18:55:36 |
@Oscars_place Oh no! That is so sad you felt like that for so long because it really is about developing effective… https://t.co/oNJggvzPBN |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T18:55:57 |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C That's when our students start to turn off too sometimes.. #eltchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T18:57:19 |
@Marisa_C Interesting idea! Have you ever tried this? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:57:39 |
@angelos_bollas remember my PK - choice episodes of your love life #ELTchat :-D |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T18:58:52 |
coming up to slow burn mode now. Any takers for summary writer? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T18:59:13 |
@ELTC_TD Yes i have and have developed several observation schedules inspired by this but using other categories eg… https://t.co/3mqVsIfJQl |
| Oscars_place |
2018-06-06T19:01:41 |
@fionaljp On the positive side, I think it's probably far easier to learn to talk a bit more in class than the other way round. #ELTchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-06-06T19:01:55 |
@Marisa_C I'd be interested in any reading recommendations you have about this #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-06-06T19:02:19 |
@ELTC_TD @Marisa_C did you see Marisa's padlet? #ELTChat |
| kenteris |
2018-06-06T19:02:37 |
Thanks for having me tonight... Glad I jumped into your conversation... Certainly beats hanging around in the background.. #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T19:02:43 |
@SueAnnan Nice, enjoy! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:03:07 |
@Oscars_place @fionaljp :-) very true - and have had to comment on less than needed #eltchat But not often enough!!!! |
| Oscars_place |
2018-06-06T19:04:29 |
@Marisa_C @angelos_bollas I wonder if CELTA courses focus on the too much TTT rather than the opposite because it i… https://t.co/n87n8Tt2M7 |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:05:31 |
@ELTC_TD Have a look at this padlet please - I can add more titles to it if anyone interested #eltchat https://t.co/aGak1cdYEk |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T19:06:05 |
@Oscars_place @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas I don’t think it is about ‘too much’, it’s more about relevance #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:07:37 |
Oh nice! Some ppl adding links to padlet - great! #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-06-06T19:08:23 |
@Marisa_C @ELTC_TD Added Jamie Keddie’s presentation #ELTchat to Padlet |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:08:49 |
@fionaljp @ELTC_TD Lovely!!! #eltchat <3 |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-06-06T19:11:23 |
@Marisa_C That’s what I had in mind when I wrote that tweet :-p #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:13:12 |
@ELTC_TD @angelos_bollas That is fantastic but also very very easy to set up a blog! #eltchat I will keep your badge on ice for when you do! |
| Shujaat_English |
2018-06-06T19:15:14 |
#eltchat Teacher talk is getting a lot of attention again, and for goid measure. Sometimes students cant get enough… https://t.co/0j4brD1PVQ |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:16:30 |
@ELTC_TD @angelos_bollas Indeed we will - @SueAnnan will post the transcript on the #ELTchat timeline tomorrow some… https://t.co/U22yi6QNpt |
| Shujaat_English |
2018-06-06T19:16:54 |
#eltchat Now why would they generally say keep it low at lower levels when exposure is possible only through TT in… https://t.co/xZOZsHFTLh |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:17:48 |
@Shujaat_English So true - not every single teacher is an engaging speaker - so sometimes it can be lethal (or slee… https://t.co/JWkw1TIG1m |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:23:04 |
@Shujaat_English No only - for YL's for example the teacher as story teller is a great use of teacher talk #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-06T19:23:48 |
Will keep an eye on the #slowburn #ELtchat but for now will say have a nice evening everyone and |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-06-06T23:31:16 |
For this reason, it would be good to spend more time in training on quality of talk rather than activate the quanti… https://t.co/MYLvlF9mNO |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-06-07T05:14:38 |
Recent tweets reminded me of this #ELTchat summary from Feb. 2016 on what ppl would like to have had more/less of i… https://t.co/Qz12GcwVqq |
| MartinaEmke |
2018-06-07T06:11:51 |
Food for thought!#ELTchat#ELT https://t.co/AazGZoaQ8W |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-06-07T08:56:25 |
@Marisa_C Do you have a link for that? #ELTchat https://t.co/bmzjPYbugd |
| Marisa_C |
2018-06-07T11:46:58 |
@tesolmatthew It's a book but you can read various reviews of Flanders' Interaction Analysis via Google - link to b… https://t.co/NOt80tsQCf |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-06-07T15:22:21 |
Exactly. This has been one theme running through my FB for Ts on practicum over last 2 wks. I used images of an “in… https://t.co/k5BeSqqaOK |
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