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| Marisa_C |
2018-05-23T16:58:08 |
In about one hour, #ELTchat friends will be talking about Good Language Learners and their characteristics - if you… https://t.co/gGWSDQbfp5 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T17:58:51 |
Hello everyone. Who is around to chat with #ELTchat this evening? |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T17:59:58 |
Hello #eltchat people! I am @SueAnnan |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:00:51 |
@ELTC_TD Great. Nice to 'see' you #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:01:10 |
@ELTC_TD @SueAnnan Hello #ELTchat Me too! |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:01:26 |
@fionaljp @ELTC_TD Great stuff. Hi Fiona #ELtchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:02:15 |
@SueAnnan @ELTC_TD Hi Sue #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:02:22 |
A couple of questions to start you off. Have you met any really good language learners? What do they do differently? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:02:58 |
@elkdell Hello. Nice to have you with us. Remember to use the #hashtag #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:03:07 |
Hello #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:03:28 |
@angelos_bollas Mwah. Angelos mou. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:04:02 |
any pointers? #ELTchat https://t.co/2Osodf14qW |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:04:16 |
I'm tweeting from the Teacher Development Team at the University of Sheffield. Just to give you an idea what ELTC_TD is! @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:04:19 |
@SueAnnan I am a bit sceptical with the use of the term 'good' here #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:04:42 |
@ELTC_TD @SueAnnan Hello to you :) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:04:42 |
@angelos_bollas fine, what would you call them? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:05:22 |
@ELTC_TD Excellent. Thanks for letting me know. Can I have a name? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:05:24 |
@SueAnnan Not sure - effective? studious? successful? It depends on what we mean by that #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:06:42 |
@angelos_bollas okay, I'll buy into effective. #ELTchat What makes them effective though. I have lots of studious… https://t.co/tkRXdCtKdR |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:06:56 |
Holly. Pleased to meet you @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:07:22 |
@SueAnnan Oh, bless them :)So 'fast' is an indicator, you think? Quite possibly... #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:07:58 |
@angelos_bollas I really meant -at all, bless them #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:08:42 |
I would call someone effective when I would safely say that they are autonomous - or that they are in charge of their learning #ELTchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:08:46 |
I'd say patient too. They appreciate that it takes time #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:09:12 |
do you think the problem starts at school? are students under too much pressure to be efficient learners? Are they… https://t.co/PfPePBfZK2 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:09:48 |
@ELTC_TD I think some students have never been taught how to study well and can become frustrated #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:10:24 |
@SueAnnan Certainly the clash between education systems/approaches should play a role #ELTchat In Greek schools an… https://t.co/453jIrAs3w |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:10:38 |
I agree about the shortcuts #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:10:44 |
@angelos_bollas Ouch! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:11:06 |
@ELTC_TD How do we help them? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:11:09 |
@SueAnnan I can imagine a very effective learner in that system struggling when in an EFL class with an emphasis on… https://t.co/AMKPusq3Wt |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:11:37 |
That's a good point - studying needs to be learned and supported #ELTchat https://t.co/9qkTf5crrP |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:12:13 |
Maybe we need to show that sometimes shortcuts don't exist #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:12:52 |
@angelos_bollas I've got some Japanese students at the moment. Some of them are in their 80s. They have good levels… https://t.co/WnwcXtmp80 |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:13:05 |
@ELTC_TD I agree but what if you work for a school which advertises shortcuts?? #ELTchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:13:08 |
What would you say "study well" means? @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:13:55 |
@SueAnnan Is it a matter of not trying hard enough or more of not getting it #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:14:04 |
@ELTC_TD Make gains in autonomy. Choose to do homework to advance themselves. Use the opportunity to communicate where possible. #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:15:02 |
@SueAnnan @ELTC_TD I think it’s a good idea to get them to discuss what an effective language learner is #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:15:06 |
@angelos_bollas Not getting it, maybe? I can't get through to her well. But she has the same background as the othe… https://t.co/6CyY7S7VKk |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:15:38 |
What kind of shortcuts @angelos_bollas? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:15:56 |
@fionaljp @ELTC_TD Its good to do learner training, I agree. If they have the input, it's more effective. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:16:05 |
@ELTC_TD One level in 8 weeks, get the FCE in one year starting from scratch, etc. #ELTchat |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:16:45 |
I think the best learners (as in the fastest learners, usually) are students that are constantly hypothesising and… https://t.co/CpRwS9j1KO |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:16:57 |
@angelos_bollas @ELTC_TD That might work with absolutely dedicated students, but it is unrealistic, and bound to fail in many cases #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:17:05 |
@SueAnnan Maybe not putting a lot of effort, or just not being in the zone? I know that research people might eat m… https://t.co/9kEt4ZMasz |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:17:16 |
Oh, I see.....! @angelos_bollas #eltchat |
| elkdell |
2018-05-23T18:17:19 |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat yeah.couple of them.they are self motivated to reach a good level f learning |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:17:39 |
@SueAnnan @ELTC_TD This material by @NikPeachey works well - Studying how to study #ELTchat https://t.co/2uUwm09VYY |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:17:46 |
@elkdell Is self motivation enough? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:18:06 |
@fionaljp @ELTC_TD @NikPeachey Thanks for that #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:18:35 |
@e_d_driscoll This is a rather advance skill, though, isn't it? #ELTchat |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:18:51 |
@SueAnnan @elkdell #ELTchat No one thing is enough, but self-motivation seems to be necessary for faster progress to be made IME |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:19:12 |
@SueAnnan @ELTC_TD I know... Managers tend to forget though #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:19:29 |
I had a really old book once, called learning to learn English. I think it was made for teachers, it was too diffic… https://t.co/uscb30OBo8 |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:20:07 |
Time management is important too. #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:20:17 |
@SueAnnan @ELTC_TD @NikPeachey Have used this too: https://t.co/zomX5w3l0b then got them to make their own study skills tips poster #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:20:18 |
RT @fionaljp: @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD This material by @NikPeachey works well - Studying how to study #ELTchat https://t.co/2uUwm09VYY |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:20:25 |
@angelos_bollas #ELTchat rather than an advanced skill, it seems to me to be more of a disposition. A rare one |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:20:49 |
@e_d_driscoll @SueAnnan @elkdell I agree - I think self-motivation is the key #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:21:01 |
Where would you start with adults? They assume that the new language will come as easily as the first one, and beco… https://t.co/P983Qd2l4X |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:21:16 |
@SueAnnan Sounds like an interesting title #ELTchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:21:34 |
And probably having an overall goal (learn English to be able to (insert goal) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:22:32 |
@ELTC_TD Yes. That is certainly a good motivator. My students who need to pass an exam are better equipped to learn… https://t.co/tgRWEvtmlK |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:22:53 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/W5a8cZE3Ll |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:23:40 |
@SueAnnan Do they? That's not realistic though and I believe they need someone to explain this to them right from the start. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:24:10 |
The other problem is when students plateau. How do we remotivate them to continue to develop? #ELTchat |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-23T18:24:36 |
#ELTchat students need to build up thier own personal learning network (PLN) i would start by asking the question -… https://t.co/GEFK9iLVPi |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:24:45 |
Yes, I agree @angelos_bollas #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:25:27 |
@SueAnnan I am sore many people have been doing this for way longer than I do but after 11 years of teaching I have… https://t.co/SuHZQiUH9W |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:26:35 |
@EltJayney I do. But that isn't what the students believe #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:27:11 |
@EltJayney Surely that helps but it does require a desire to learn more about the culture, I think #ELTchat I lear… https://t.co/pxL4IQPLS0 |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:27:15 |
I think that delivering interesting lessons is how a teacher motivates @angelos_bollas #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:27:54 |
I suppose I have it easy as I'm based in an English speaking area, so we make our students go out for dinner or vis… https://t.co/2ceQsX9EWQ |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:28:29 |
@SueAnnan Actually, that's what I have been enjoying a lot lately. I do the same - and it's easier for them to see… https://t.co/XGVVp9FRbA |
| elkdell |
2018-05-23T18:28:39 |
@SueAnnan Good https://t.co/jMemSe36ZX I think learners should own a good character trait that believes in growth m… https://t.co/vlrDCVTW1a |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:28:43 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan I am working US High School ESL at the moment. Demotivation is a major brake on student p… https://t.co/uV6YZZ7ZbA |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:28:45 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/uz1bKChY2I |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:29:26 |
And the teacher's job is to encourage interest in the language, make students want to come to class/ do things out of class too. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:29:56 |
@e_d_driscoll @angelos_bollas The key word there is realistic. #ELTchat I feel sure that many students start with u… https://t.co/N1DDhiZAje |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-23T18:30:10 |
@angelos_bollas #ELTchat yes a motivation to learn about the culture helps, but not all people have that motivation. |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:30:44 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Just googled - what makes a good learner and found this:https://t.co/Gcg8OGKrwW #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:31:28 |
@EltJayney @angelos_bollas I agree. Many students just need a certificate, or just need enough to get by in the lan… https://t.co/r9BTsRtKpK |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:32:41 |
@SueAnnan @EltJayney I think I can work with the ones who just need the FCE without caring or wanting to learn anyt… https://t.co/rFj8VSOS5E |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-23T18:32:46 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas I do think that learner autonomy is about finding the motivation #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:32:46 |
@fionaljp @angelos_bollas I like number six. I think that people who are not afraid to ask questions make better progress #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:32:59 |
@EltJayney @SueAnnan Agreed #ELTchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:34:06 |
I like "A lot of learning isn't fun" @fionaljp #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:34:27 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas I think all 7 are pretty good! #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:34:53 |
It is very important to highlight the learners own progress every now and then so that they have something to feel proud about #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:35:41 |
@angelos_bollas Yes, absolutely #ELTchat - very motivating |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:37:29 |
So, going back to the original question, I think that we can all agree that motivation plays a key part #ELTchat Wh… https://t.co/nDhkDVTJVJ |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:37:33 |
@angelos_bollas I like the can do statements at the end of each unit of my coursebook. It shows where the learning… https://t.co/8RboZkPM3y |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:38:28 |
@SueAnnan I like those too - I write my own 'objectives of the week', we negotiate on Monday and keep them the ones… https://t.co/DaMtHy1JRC |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:38:30 |
@angelos_bollas ask questions and feel secure enough in the classroom to do so. #ELTchat |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-23T18:39:27 |
@angelos_bollas absolutely. I do think learner autonomy is about the students being able to reflect on thier own l… https://t.co/bEzFoHtebH |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:40:20 |
I learned English because there was a guy in my class whom I really liked and who was absolutely brilliant in Engli… https://t.co/zFJojrbY9i |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:40:32 |
@EltJayney @angelos_bollas I always add a few minutes at the end of each session to check what the students are tak… https://t.co/qHbxybomq7 |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:40:46 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas lots of reviewing and recycling #ELTchat |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-23T18:40:46 |
#ELTchat old article but relevanthttps://t.co/Tuaso7vKYm |
| Shujaat_English |
2018-05-23T18:40:53 |
Contninuous assessment seems the way forward to maintain learner motivation #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:41:47 |
Offer variety in what we do, too. That stops boredom from setting in #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:42:08 |
@Shujaat_English I do not feel confident with 'assessment' #ELTchat I think it works well in some contexts/ages but not others |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:42:12 |
Yes, 100% agree with that @fionaljp #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:42:22 |
@SueAnnan True for teachers, as well. #ELTchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:43:25 |
I think continuous assessment needs to allow time for students to learn. It shouldn't just be for the sake of it. #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:43:43 |
How do you achieve all these? How do you train your learners to be more (fill in the gap) in order to be more effective learners? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:44:00 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/X0VQ1sxTNt |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:44:17 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/1iD2XTgS1r |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:44:33 |
#eltchat good learners seek out opportunities to use the languge |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:44:39 |
So lots of feedback after it and seeing where you went wrong #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:44:49 |
@e_d_driscoll what if they cannot have these opportunities? #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:45:16 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas This looks interesting: #ELTchat https://t.co/QVdznVpmJn |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:45:59 |
I think delaying the recycling seems to work too. If you haven't seen something for a couple of days, yet you can r… https://t.co/u5mMrug8ak |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-23T18:46:17 |
@angelos_bollas #ELTchat I think a flipped classroom helps but it also depends on the level and age of learner. S… https://t.co/8hnxA78as8 |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:46:48 |
@angelos_bollas perhaps I should refine- good learners seek out opportunities to use the language when they can #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:47:04 |
@fionaljp @SueAnnan Some controversial things there #ELTchat - feedback on learners and not on their work? Not sure I agree |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:47:19 |
A positive classroom environment is really important #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:47:35 |
@e_d_driscoll @angelos_bollas And that could be with other people online these days. #ELTchat That is where making… https://t.co/RiINn1q2la |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-23T18:47:43 |
@angelos_bollas #ELTchat also encouraging them to try websites or read a book outside of lessons, Homework that is… https://t.co/YDzxXpsDM2 |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:48:19 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/6SB8ATfDx1 |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-23T18:48:50 |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat doesn that help with learner autonomy though? |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:49:18 |
@EltJayney INdeed ! #ELTchat but it needs fostering |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:49:34 |
The internet means students have loads of opportunities to continue practising language out of the classroom now #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:50:11 |
@ELTC_TD Yes. There really isn't any excuse any more #ELTchat |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:51:06 |
#ELTchat good learners don't get angry with the language they are trying to learn |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T18:51:38 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Understood as feedback on learning e.g. I asked learners to reflect and then gave feedba… https://t.co/pRTd2ontBE |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:51:57 |
@fionaljp @SueAnnan Oh, ok then. Fair enough #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:52:08 |
We have just under 10 minutes left of this chat, then we will move over to our 24 hour slowburn if you wish to cont… https://t.co/OoTBqtgjaH |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:52:11 |
But it helps if the teacher finds out what students are interested in and advises them in line with that @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:52:23 |
#ELTchat good learners experiment with different learning strategies |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:52:38 |
Not sure whether Ts can always identify effective learners. I was considered to be a horrible learner by almost all my Ts #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:53:20 |
@angelos_bollas But you can use that knowledge now to help your students #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:53:21 |
@e_d_driscoll Agreed - the T needs to teach those strategies, though. #ELTchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:53:43 |
I think it's hard to decide what makes a good learner without appreciating that teacher behaviour plays a large role too #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:53:55 |
Anyone? #ELTchat https://t.co/0PR5vYNx3J |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:54:24 |
@SueAnnan I try. I do believe that some times someone might be a good learner and equally good at hiding it #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:55:08 |
Hello lovely #ELTchat - would you be so kind as to write up this chat? #ELTchat we will help you if you want to do… https://t.co/KTZvLwT7rQ |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:55:54 |
@ELTC_TD I hope that is a given #ELTchat |
| ELTC_TD |
2018-05-23T18:56:06 |
I don't mind doing it. Do I need any guidelines? #eltchat |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T18:57:10 |
One more thing- good learners see links and patterns. I have been trying to teach this to many students this year-… https://t.co/6eE5lNxh5s |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:57:26 |
Thank you for volunteering - @SueAnnan will send you the transcript. There are no guidelines - each person has thei… https://t.co/N7xVu1KZHN |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:57:33 |
@ELTC_TD Holly, you are a star. I'll send you the transcript after the slow burn, in case anyone from a different t… https://t.co/74N4TeXpC3 |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:58:00 |
@e_d_driscoll Maybe it has to do with how the brain works #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T18:58:45 |
@e_d_driscoll I was doing some of this today. Some of the problems were down to the L1 of the learners #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-05-23T18:59:01 |
It was great to be with you all as always! #ELTchat Hugs to all and enjoy the rest of your day/afternoon/evening/night. See you in a week :) |
| e_d_driscoll |
2018-05-23T19:01:07 |
@SueAnnan I've been working on it with groups of low and intermediate level Spanish, Portuguese and French or Frenc… https://t.co/yFDEhQcnXW |
| fionaljp |
2018-05-23T19:01:32 |
@angelos_bollas Nice to #ELTchat Bye |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T19:01:50 |
#ELTchat oops https://t.co/rK0nV5MWPP |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T19:02:28 |
@e_d_driscoll Yes. The biggest problem seems to be with my German, Swiss, Austrian students #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T19:06:49 |
@e_d_driscoll both. I had a CAE exam class with French, Italian- no problems, Swiss and German- couldn't quite get… https://t.co/dMwdIacMTf |
| koomska |
2018-05-23T19:31:15 |
@SueAnnan Missed it again this week due to working late :( #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-23T19:45:29 |
@koomska Never mind. Check the slow burn #eltchat |
| EltJayney |
2018-05-24T08:11:21 |
#ELTchat I enjoyed the chat last night. I am sorry I made a few newbie mistakes like not tagging my tweets. Next w… https://t.co/DJuXtoeYr4 |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-05-24T13:03:54 |
When the students already come in with enough functional motivation themselves I agree that this should be the main… https://t.co/jjEtXj1a90 |
| Marisa_C |
2018-05-24T17:53:24 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan The term "good language learner" implies the opposite but was used here to recall all th… https://t.co/IVXoo4y7B7 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-05-24T18:07:59 |
We enjoyed your contributions. Thank you for being there #ELTchat |
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