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Effective Language learners and their characteristics

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Marisa_C 2018-05-23T16:58:08 In about one hour, #ELTchat friends will be talking about Good Language Learners and their characteristics - if you… https://t.co/gGWSDQbfp5
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T17:58:51 Hello everyone. Who is around to chat with #ELTchat this evening?
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T17:59:58 Hello  #eltchat people! I am @SueAnnan
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:00:51 @ELTC_TD Great. Nice to 'see' you #ELTchat
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:01:10 @ELTC_TD @SueAnnan Hello #ELTchat Me too!
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:01:26 @fionaljp @ELTC_TD Great stuff. Hi Fiona #ELtchat
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:02:15 @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD Hi Sue #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:02:22 A couple of questions to start you off. Have you met any really good language learners? What do they do differently? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:02:58 @elkdell Hello. Nice to have you with us. Remember to use the #hashtag #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:03:07 Hello #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:03:28 @angelos_bollas Mwah. Angelos mou. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:04:02 any pointers? #ELTchat https://t.co/2Osodf14qW
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:04:16 I'm tweeting from the Teacher Development Team at the University of Sheffield. Just to give you an idea what ELTC_TD is! @SueAnnan #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:04:19 @SueAnnan I am a bit sceptical with the use of the term 'good' here #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:04:42 @ELTC_TD @SueAnnan Hello to you :) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:04:42 @angelos_bollas fine, what would you call them? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:05:22 @ELTC_TD Excellent. Thanks for letting me know. Can I have a name? #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:05:24 @SueAnnan Not sure - effective? studious? successful? It depends on what we mean by that #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:06:42 @angelos_bollas okay, I'll buy into effective. #ELTchat What makes them effective though. I have lots of studious… https://t.co/tkRXdCtKdR
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:06:56 Holly. Pleased to meet you @SueAnnan #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:07:22 @SueAnnan Oh, bless them :)So 'fast' is an indicator, you think? Quite possibly... #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:07:58 @angelos_bollas I really meant -at all, bless them #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:08:42 I would call someone effective when I would safely say that they are autonomous - or that they are in charge of their learning #ELTchat
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:08:46 I'd say patient too. They appreciate that it takes time #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:09:12 do you think the problem starts at school? are students under too much pressure to be efficient learners? Are they… https://t.co/PfPePBfZK2
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:09:48 @ELTC_TD I think some students have never been taught how to study well and can become frustrated #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:10:24 @SueAnnan Certainly the clash between education systems/approaches should play a role #ELTchat In Greek schools an… https://t.co/453jIrAs3w
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:10:38 I agree about the shortcuts #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:10:44 @angelos_bollas Ouch! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:11:06 @ELTC_TD How do we help them? #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:11:09 @SueAnnan I can imagine a very effective learner in that system struggling when in an EFL class with an emphasis on… https://t.co/AMKPusq3Wt
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:11:37 That's a good point - studying needs to be learned and supported #ELTchat https://t.co/9qkTf5crrP
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:12:13 Maybe we need to show that sometimes shortcuts don't exist #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:12:52 @angelos_bollas I've got some Japanese students at the moment. Some of them are in their 80s. They have good levels… https://t.co/WnwcXtmp80
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:13:05 @ELTC_TD I agree but what if you work for a school which advertises shortcuts?? #ELTchat
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:13:08 What would you say "study well" means? @SueAnnan #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:13:55 @SueAnnan Is it a matter of not trying hard enough or more of not getting it #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:14:04 @ELTC_TD Make gains in autonomy. Choose to do homework to advance themselves. Use the opportunity to communicate where possible. #ELTchat
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:15:02 @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD I think it’s a good idea to get them to discuss what an effective language learner is #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:15:06 @angelos_bollas Not getting it, maybe? I can't get through to her well. But she has the same background as the othe… https://t.co/6CyY7S7VKk
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:15:38 What kind of shortcuts @angelos_bollas? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:15:56 @fionaljp @ELTC_TD Its good to do learner training, I agree. If they have the input, it's more effective. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:16:05 @ELTC_TD One level in 8 weeks, get the FCE in one year starting from scratch, etc. #ELTchat
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:16:45 I think the best learners (as in the fastest learners, usually) are students that are constantly hypothesising and… https://t.co/CpRwS9j1KO
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:16:57 @angelos_bollas @ELTC_TD That might work with absolutely dedicated students, but it is unrealistic, and bound to fail in many cases #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:17:05 @SueAnnan Maybe not putting a lot of effort, or just not being in the zone? I know that research people might eat m… https://t.co/9kEt4ZMasz
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:17:16 Oh, I see.....! @angelos_bollas #eltchat
elkdell 2018-05-23T18:17:19 @SueAnnan #ELTchat yeah.couple of them.they are self motivated to reach a good level f learning
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:17:39 @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD This material by @NikPeachey works well - Studying how to study #ELTchat https://t.co/2uUwm09VYY
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:17:46 @elkdell Is self motivation enough? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:18:06 @fionaljp @ELTC_TD @NikPeachey Thanks for that #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:18:35 @e_d_driscoll This is a rather advance skill, though, isn't it? #ELTchat
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:18:51 @SueAnnan @elkdell #ELTchat No one thing is enough, but self-motivation seems to be necessary for faster progress to be made IME
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:19:12 @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD I know... Managers tend to forget though #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:19:29 I had a really old book once, called learning to learn English. I think it was made for teachers, it was too diffic… https://t.co/uscb30OBo8
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:20:07 Time management is important too. #eltchat
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:20:17 @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD @NikPeachey Have used this too: https://t.co/zomX5w3l0b then got them to make their own study skills tips poster #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:20:18 RT @fionaljp: @SueAnnan @ELTC_TD This material by @NikPeachey works well - Studying how to study #ELTchat https://t.co/2uUwm09VYY
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:20:25 @angelos_bollas #ELTchat rather than an advanced skill, it seems to me to be more of a disposition. A rare one
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:20:49 @e_d_driscoll @SueAnnan @elkdell I agree - I think self-motivation is the key #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:21:01 Where would you start with adults? They assume that the new language will come as easily as the first one, and beco… https://t.co/P983Qd2l4X
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:21:16 @SueAnnan Sounds like an interesting title #ELTchat
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:21:34 And probably having  an overall goal (learn English to be able to (insert goal) #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:22:32 @ELTC_TD Yes. That is certainly a good motivator. My students who need to pass an exam are better equipped to learn… https://t.co/tgRWEvtmlK
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:22:53 #ELTchat https://t.co/W5a8cZE3Ll
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:23:40 @SueAnnan Do they? That's not realistic though and I believe they need someone to explain this to them right from the start. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:24:10 The other problem is when students plateau. How do we remotivate them to continue to develop? #ELTchat
EltJayney 2018-05-23T18:24:36 #ELTchat students need to build up thier own personal learning network (PLN) i would start by asking the question -… https://t.co/GEFK9iLVPi
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:24:45 Yes, I agree @angelos_bollas #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:25:27 @SueAnnan I am sore many people have been doing this for way longer than I do but after 11 years of teaching I have… https://t.co/SuHZQiUH9W
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:26:35 @EltJayney I do. But that isn't what the students believe #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:27:11 @EltJayney Surely that helps but it does require a  desire to learn more about the culture, I think #ELTchat I lear… https://t.co/pxL4IQPLS0
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:27:15 I think that delivering interesting lessons is how a teacher motivates @angelos_bollas #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:27:54 I suppose I have it easy as I'm based in an English speaking area, so we make our students go out for dinner or vis… https://t.co/2ceQsX9EWQ
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:28:29 @SueAnnan Actually, that's what I have been enjoying a lot lately. I do the same - and it's easier for them to see… https://t.co/XGVVp9FRbA
elkdell 2018-05-23T18:28:39 @SueAnnan Good https://t.co/jMemSe36ZX I think learners should own a good character trait that believes in growth m… https://t.co/vlrDCVTW1a
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:28:43 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan I am working US High School ESL at the moment. Demotivation is a major brake on student p… https://t.co/uV6YZZ7ZbA
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:28:45 #ELTchat https://t.co/uz1bKChY2I
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:29:26 And the teacher's job is to encourage interest in the language, make students want to come to class/ do things out of class too. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:29:56 @e_d_driscoll @angelos_bollas The key word there is realistic. #ELTchat I feel sure that many students start with u… https://t.co/N1DDhiZAje
EltJayney 2018-05-23T18:30:10 @angelos_bollas #ELTchat yes a motivation to learn about the culture helps, but not all people have that motivation.
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:30:44 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Just googled - what makes a good learner and found this:https://t.co/Gcg8OGKrwW #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:31:28 @EltJayney @angelos_bollas I agree. Many students just need a certificate, or just need enough to get by in the lan… https://t.co/r9BTsRtKpK
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:32:41 @SueAnnan @EltJayney I think I can work with the ones who just need the FCE without caring or wanting to learn anyt… https://t.co/rFj8VSOS5E
EltJayney 2018-05-23T18:32:46 @SueAnnan @angelos_bollas I do think that learner autonomy is about finding the motivation #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:32:46 @fionaljp @angelos_bollas I like number six. I think that people who are not afraid to ask questions make better progress #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:32:59 @EltJayney @SueAnnan Agreed #ELTchat
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:34:06 I like "A lot of learning isn't fun" @fionaljp #eltchat
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:34:27 @SueAnnan @angelos_bollas I think all 7 are pretty good! #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:34:53 It is very important to highlight the learners own progress every now and then so that they have something to feel proud about #ELTchat
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:35:41 @angelos_bollas Yes, absolutely #ELTchat - very motivating
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:37:29 So, going back to the original question, I think that we can all agree that motivation plays a key part #ELTchat Wh… https://t.co/nDhkDVTJVJ
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:37:33 @angelos_bollas I like the can do statements at the end of each unit of my coursebook. It shows where the learning… https://t.co/8RboZkPM3y
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:38:28 @SueAnnan I like those too - I write my own 'objectives of the week', we negotiate on Monday and keep them the ones… https://t.co/DaMtHy1JRC
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:38:30 @angelos_bollas ask questions and feel secure enough in the classroom to do so. #ELTchat
EltJayney 2018-05-23T18:39:27 @angelos_bollas absolutely.  I do think learner autonomy is about the students being able to reflect on thier own l… https://t.co/bEzFoHtebH
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:40:20 I learned English because there was a guy in my class whom I really liked and who was absolutely brilliant in Engli… https://t.co/zFJojrbY9i
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:40:32 @EltJayney @angelos_bollas I always add a few minutes at the end of each session to check what the students are tak… https://t.co/qHbxybomq7
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:40:46 @SueAnnan @angelos_bollas lots of reviewing and recycling #ELTchat
EltJayney 2018-05-23T18:40:46 #ELTchat old article but relevanthttps://t.co/Tuaso7vKYm
Shujaat_English 2018-05-23T18:40:53 Contninuous assessment seems the way forward to maintain learner motivation #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:41:47 Offer variety in what we do, too. That stops boredom from setting in #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:42:08 @Shujaat_English I do not feel confident with 'assessment' #ELTchat I think it works well in some contexts/ages but not others
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:42:12 Yes, 100% agree with that @fionaljp  #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:42:22 @SueAnnan True for teachers, as well. #ELTchat
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:43:25 I think continuous assessment needs to allow time for students to learn. It shouldn't just be for the sake of it.  #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:43:43 How do you achieve all these? How do you train your learners to be more (fill in the gap) in order to be more effective learners? #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:44:00 #ELTchat https://t.co/X0VQ1sxTNt
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:44:17 #ELTchat https://t.co/1iD2XTgS1r
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:44:33 #eltchat good learners seek out opportunities to use the languge
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:44:39 So lots of feedback after it and seeing where you went wrong #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:44:49 @e_d_driscoll what if they cannot have these opportunities? #ELTchat
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:45:16 @SueAnnan @angelos_bollas This looks interesting: #ELTchat https://t.co/QVdznVpmJn
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:45:59 I think delaying the recycling seems to work too. If you haven't seen something for a couple of days, yet you can r… https://t.co/u5mMrug8ak
EltJayney 2018-05-23T18:46:17 @angelos_bollas #ELTchat  I think a flipped classroom helps but it also depends on the level and age of learner.  S… https://t.co/8hnxA78as8
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:46:48 @angelos_bollas perhaps I should refine- good learners seek out opportunities to use the language when they can #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:47:04 @fionaljp @SueAnnan Some controversial things there #ELTchat - feedback on learners and not on their work? Not sure I agree
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:47:19 A positive classroom environment is really important #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:47:35 @e_d_driscoll @angelos_bollas And that could be with other people online these days. #ELTchat That is where making… https://t.co/RiINn1q2la
EltJayney 2018-05-23T18:47:43 @angelos_bollas #ELTchat also encouraging them to try websites or read a book outside of lessons,  Homework that is… https://t.co/YDzxXpsDM2
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:48:19 #ELTchat https://t.co/6SB8ATfDx1
EltJayney 2018-05-23T18:48:50 @SueAnnan #ELTchat doesn that help with learner autonomy though?
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:49:18 @EltJayney INdeed ! #ELTchat but it needs fostering
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:49:34 The internet means students have loads of opportunities to continue practising language out of the classroom now #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:50:11 @ELTC_TD Yes. There really isn't any excuse any more #ELTchat
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:51:06 #ELTchat good learners don't get angry with the language they are trying to learn
fionaljp 2018-05-23T18:51:38 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Understood as feedback on learning e.g. I asked learners to reflect  and then gave feedba… https://t.co/pRTd2ontBE
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:51:57 @fionaljp @SueAnnan Oh, ok then. Fair enough #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:52:08 We have just under 10 minutes left of this chat, then we will move over to our 24 hour slowburn if you wish to cont… https://t.co/OoTBqtgjaH
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:52:11 But it helps if the teacher finds out what students are interested in and advises them in line with that @SueAnnan #eltchat
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:52:23 #ELTchat good learners experiment with different learning strategies
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:52:38 Not sure whether Ts can always identify effective learners. I was considered to be a horrible learner by almost all my Ts #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:53:20 @angelos_bollas But you can use that knowledge now to help your students #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:53:21 @e_d_driscoll Agreed - the T needs to teach those strategies, though. #ELTchat
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:53:43 I think it's hard to decide what makes a good learner without appreciating that teacher behaviour plays a large role too #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:53:55 Anyone? #ELTchat https://t.co/0PR5vYNx3J
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:54:24 @SueAnnan I try. I do believe that some times someone might be a good learner and equally good at hiding it #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:55:08 Hello lovely #ELTchat - would you be so kind as to write up this chat? #ELTchat we will help you if you want to do… https://t.co/KTZvLwT7rQ
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:55:54 @ELTC_TD I hope that is a given #ELTchat
ELTC_TD 2018-05-23T18:56:06 I don't mind doing it. Do I need any guidelines? #eltchat
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T18:57:10 One more thing- good learners see links and patterns. I have been trying to teach this to many students this year-… https://t.co/6eE5lNxh5s
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:57:26 Thank you for volunteering - @SueAnnan will send you the transcript. There are no guidelines - each person has thei… https://t.co/N7xVu1KZHN
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:57:33 @ELTC_TD Holly, you are a star. I'll send you the transcript after the slow burn, in case anyone from a different t… https://t.co/74N4TeXpC3
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:58:00 @e_d_driscoll Maybe it has to do with how the brain works #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T18:58:45 @e_d_driscoll I was doing some of this today. Some of the problems were down to the L1 of the learners #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2018-05-23T18:59:01 It was great to be with you all as always! #ELTchat Hugs to all and enjoy the rest of your day/afternoon/evening/night. See you in a week :)
e_d_driscoll 2018-05-23T19:01:07 @SueAnnan I've been working on it with groups of low and intermediate level Spanish, Portuguese and French or Frenc… https://t.co/yFDEhQcnXW
fionaljp 2018-05-23T19:01:32 @angelos_bollas Nice to #ELTchat Bye
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T19:01:50 #ELTchat oops https://t.co/rK0nV5MWPP
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T19:02:28 @e_d_driscoll Yes. The biggest problem seems to be with my German, Swiss, Austrian students #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T19:06:49 @e_d_driscoll both. I had a CAE exam class with French, Italian- no problems, Swiss and German- couldn't quite get… https://t.co/dMwdIacMTf
koomska 2018-05-23T19:31:15 @SueAnnan Missed it again this week due to working late :( #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-05-23T19:45:29 @koomska Never mind. Check the slow burn #eltchat
EltJayney 2018-05-24T08:11:21 #ELTchat I enjoyed the chat last night.  I am sorry I made a few newbie mistakes like not tagging my tweets. Next w… https://t.co/DJuXtoeYr4
tesolmatthew 2018-05-24T13:03:54 When the students already come in with enough functional motivation themselves I agree that this should be the main… https://t.co/jjEtXj1a90
Marisa_C 2018-05-24T17:53:24 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan The term "good language learner"  implies the opposite but was used here to recall all th… https://t.co/IVXoo4y7B7
SueAnnan 2018-05-24T18:07:59  We enjoyed your contributions. Thank you for being there #ELTchat


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