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| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:01:58 |
Hello lovely people of #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T18:05:40 |
@angelos_bollas Hello #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:05:40 |
@SueAnnan What a nice topic! I hope we have Diploma-level trainees among us tonight! It’s a good topic for revision :-p #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:05:55 |
@HanaTicha Hi Hana. My goodness, your blogging has been prolific this week :-) #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:06:37 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha I second that! :-) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:06:48 |
@SueAnnan Yeah, a lot has happened in class this week. I'm glad you've been following some of it. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:07:35 |
I was looking at our books in the staffroom and they are much less structural than the old headway, but my colleagu… https://t.co/6mX4GycJKA |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:07:36 |
Interesting topic today. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:08:11 |
What works in your context? #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:08:14 |
@fionaljp Hello Fiona!! :-D #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:08:22 |
@SueAnnan Because it's so much easier and more comfortable. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:09:09 |
@HanaTicha But is it effective? I feel that grammar mcNuggets are not very motivating #Eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:09:18 |
@SueAnnan I'm familiar with all the three types. I think it really depends on the teaching context. #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:09:26 |
@SueAnnan I was about to ask you what made you choose this topic. I had to teach some teenagers over the last two w… https://t.co/tMCbnynRo9 |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:10:19 |
@SueAnnan According to research, it's not so effective. It's not very motivating either. But sometimes it's the easiest way out. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:10:32 |
@angelos_bollas Ive been trying to wean the teacher responsible for the summer programme off grammar mcnuggets and it made me think #Eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T18:10:51 |
@angelos_bollas Hello Angelos! #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:11:19 |
@SueAnnan I had two groups, both Austrian teens all same age and very advanced. In their needs analysis questionnai… https://t.co/L3qxwCNl9w |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:11:30 |
@HanaTicha Is easiest a good excuse? I quite like functional stuff. The students can then do things with the language #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:12:19 |
@angelos_bollas That's Germans and Austrians for you #ELTChat Generalisation, but I find it to be true |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:12:34 |
@SueAnnan It's not a good excuse. I also like functional stuff and syllabi based around topics. #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:12:39 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan Not for all Ts, though. Some are very uncomfortable with grammar. However, I find that SSs bel… https://t.co/FVhrKPBj1b |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:13:12 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha How do we change that mindset though? #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:13:59 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha I learned English using such a syllabus and I still remember being C2 but unable to communicat… https://t.co/G7mExpPYZj |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:14:14 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha We put together a box of supplementary material and found that some teachers avoided any… https://t.co/ovFgoi0894 |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:14:34 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas Hm. Tricky question. Demo lessons and results of students are the evidence. But that take… https://t.co/fGcdup2Jf8 |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:14:53 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan It does provide Ts with something more concrete, for sure #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:15:11 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha I've met students like that. They can recite the conjugation of verbs, but not use them to communicate #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:16:12 |
@SueAnnan IMO a functional syllabus is more effective for short courses #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:16:27 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas My students don't recite the rules themselves but they like to stick to them when using t… https://t.co/PohXupug28 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:17:00 |
@angelos_bollas and most of our courses are short.I also like topics, but a mix might be more practical. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:18:00 |
@HanaTicha @angelos_bollas and when they find an exception? LOL. MY students get so stressed #Eltchat MY teacher said...... |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:18:01 |
I like to create my own topical syllabus and then make the lessons around the topic as the course proceeds. I can o… https://t.co/XCLF0SJg3N |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:18:02 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha I also believe that some NNS teachers find functional syllabi a bit uncomfortable especially i… https://t.co/Cue2RCzU8K |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:18:46 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan And good CBs that follow functional syllabi... #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:19:01 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Absolutely. Structural syllabus is always safer for less confident teachers. Quite understandable. #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:19:20 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha Almost all my colleagues as well. #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:20:10 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha That was me! I could recite all - ALL - the uses of the present progressive but in actual usag… https://t.co/Eejw56J2HO |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:20:23 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha Unfortunately, the colleague in question is Italian, and mad about grammar #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:20:28 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan And a safety net, as well #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:21:25 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha I suppose that access to authentic language could come from corpora these days #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:21:48 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha Or, ‘the other teacher said’ hahahhaa #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:21:55 |
But you can't restrict students in terms of grammar these days. They know too much to accept the teacher's rigid rules. #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:22:55 |
@HanaTicha That’s always a good solution! And gives us so much flexibility #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:23:00 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas But navigating corpora is not always easy >>> confidence issue, #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:23:05 |
I quite like what Hugh Dellar is doing with his coursebooks. There is a lot of critical thinking about language and… https://t.co/D9KaqgmCVa |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:24:01 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha I can imagine! Our lovely neighbours are like us, Greeks! One of the reasons, of course, is th… https://t.co/KzaUM8mRWw |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:24:20 |
@HanaTicha @angelos_bollas I saw a good talk at IATEFL about using corpora, and teaching students to use it too. It… https://t.co/FOVk5hIMWM |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:25:01 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha I do not see how I can ask a T who is on a 35-hour/week contract to consult corpora #Eltchat :( |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:25:06 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha ah, okay. That explains a lot #Eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:25:36 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas I don't want to be skeptical, I love corpora, but using them is possible from a certain level. #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:25:37 |
@HanaTicha Also, we have more (well) trained teachers, these days, too #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:25:42 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha Why not? There are simple tools out there now #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:26:22 |
@SueAnnan It took me a while to get used to his books but I do find Outcomes an excellent one and hope that other a… https://t.co/UVRHibeULc |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:26:38 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas Yep, SkELL is one example. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:27:11 |
try out https://t.co/UUkqhNNIyz. It is made by a British teacher working in Japan and has lots of tools to help stu… https://t.co/IXMXlSmnVb |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:27:20 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha I can see them collapsing before my eyes if I even attempt to do that - at the mo, I am in an… https://t.co/bXjcvOeKZK |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:28:08 |
@HanaTicha @angelos_bollas I like Just the word #Eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:28:15 |
@SueAnnan We made a simple website as part of our MA programme. There are tips for teachers for using corpora. #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:28:47 |
@fionaljp have you used corpora with your EAP classes? #Eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:29:25 |
I had a great teacher who drew my attention to corpora a few years ago. @versatilepub :-) #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:29:44 |
I like the fact that phonology is now included in coursebooks more than it ever was #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:30:31 |
@SueAnnan Same here! And in an accessible way, as well. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:30:33 |
@angelos_bollas Outcomes is meaty for teens. It works well in class #Eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:30:45 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan I thing the same happens to many students around the world. Would a balance between accur… https://t.co/ppKpaF4iS6 |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:31:25 |
@SueAnnan And not 'patronising' - thank you @hughdellar (and sorry for not catching up at conf) #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:31:39 |
@whatiselt @angelos_bollas I think that works well, as long as the skills are all included too #Eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:31:51 |
@SueAnnan Yes, but I still haven't found my way to it. Feel a little guilty about it. #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:32:09 |
@whatiselt @SueAnnan Sure - perhaps we need to stop thinking structural vs functional vs lexical - Perhaps it's tim… https://t.co/MY7DWAZj0Y |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:32:27 |
Hi everyone. Sorry I'm late! #eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:32:53 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan A bit more integrated, perhaps! #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:33:05 |
@angelos_bollas @whatiselt @SueAnnan Absolutely. After all, language is a kind of hybrid, isn't it? :-) #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:33:16 |
@angelos_bollas @whatiselt I think the modern coursebooks are going in that direction. They seems to include most o… https://t.co/xcbZAyX6R4 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:33:41 |
@whatiselt Great to have you with us #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:33:52 |
@HanaTicha @whatiselt @SueAnnan Exactly! #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:34:22 |
@hughdellar @angelos_bollas It is definitely a step up from what came before #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:34:52 |
@SueAnnan @whatiselt I think this is a result of feedback from exams - In IELTS we see many candidates scoring high… https://t.co/5uy0tCRLDW |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T18:35:05 |
@angelos_bollas We have workbooks using corpora that are based on research gathered from previous students' written assignments #eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:35:16 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas I totally agree. Bit I've seen lots of teachers ignore the more skill-focussed or funcion… https://t.co/lvwXBjjmZq |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:35:53 |
@whatiselt @angelos_bollas My trainees would bite your hand off if they never had to teach a grammar lesson #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:36:10 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @whatiselt I feel the same way. My students are very fluent and quite good at grammarr bu… https://t.co/umLuQ07Dna |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:36:32 |
I like this one - especially the fact that they come from previous Ls work #Eltchat https://t.co/xelrQBp6hh |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:36:43 |
@HanaTicha @angelos_bollas @whatiselt What do you use in class, Hana? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:37:08 |
@SueAnnan @whatiselt Hahaha! #Eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:37:34 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas @whatiselt Project English for kids, Solutions for teens and English File Intermediate Pl… https://t.co/7JInyV95xL |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T18:38:23 |
@HanaTicha @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @whatiselt So isn’t that what it’s all about? Diagnosing / negotiating learners’ needs #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:38:46 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas @whatiselt Plus my own materials for the Skills lessons. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:38:47 |
The problem is that our students all have spiky profiles. That means you only get the levels right on occasion. Som… https://t.co/uMiDpPFB5o |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:40:05 |
@fionaljp @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @whatiselt Yes. Still, my hands are a bit tied. I MUST prepare them for their s… https://t.co/0o5Rrurm0B |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:40:31 |
It's best when you have the students for a longer time, and can really fit the needs #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:41:01 |
#Eltchat https://t.co/dXin4AXqyL |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:42:08 |
@SueAnnan That's a big problem. I often need to make a compromise, which means both the weaker and the stronger ones suffer. #Eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:42:52 |
@hughdellar @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Our students in Brasil are loving it! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:43:14 |
I agree if you don't take skills into account when you test them. If you can help everyone by mixing it up, that is… https://t.co/y1njyxVWKC |
| ChimpTeacher |
2018-04-25T18:43:23 |
We’re talking about syllabuses without acknowledging that the label itself is a contested one. What is a syllabus?… https://t.co/JTB6K1QTSP |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T18:43:53 |
@SueAnnan @hughdellar @angelos_bollas We had some copies of Outcomes arrive today - looking forward to investigating #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:44:03 |
@ChimpTeacher Hi and welcome. Thanks for joining us with your views #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:44:47 |
Hello good people- finally managed to connect for a bit - tweeting from Morocco #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:45:03 |
@fionaljp @hughdellar @angelos_bollas I think you'll like it. WE had Aspire before, but it was too easy at all the… https://t.co/x0lrVzrFL7 |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:45:20 |
@Marisa_C Hi Marisa mou #Eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:45:25 |
@ChimpTeacher Hey you long time no see xxxx #eltchat. |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:45:30 |
@ChimpTeacher What do you see as a syllabus, @ChimpTeacher ? #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T18:45:39 |
@Marisa_C Hello Marisa #eltchat - on holiday or working? |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:45:50 |
I think coursebooks are still grammar books posing as something else #Eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:46:05 |
@ChimpTeacher In my case, I primarily need to stick to the national curriculum. It is to make sure that all student… https://t.co/K3nopCCwzq |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:46:38 |
@ChimpTeacher Perhaps making your own programme, after a needs analysis, ids the best way to go. That way you can t… https://t.co/HCxFb8I5lB |
| koomska |
2018-04-25T18:47:20 |
#Eltchat sorry not to be active in this. On a train from London back to Somerset. Interesting conversations to read! |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:47:35 |
So are we still talking of the coursebook as the syllabus? What about teachers creating syllabuses. - we train the… https://t.co/sjsy5jak8f |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:47:42 |
@Marisa_C I think they are improving, but not all. The Headache series definitely loves grammar over anything else though #eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:48:06 |
@HanaTicha @ChimpTeacher Do you feel that teachers in your context, in general, have the skills to look at the nati… https://t.co/lFLevySKov |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:48:39 |
@SueAnnan @ChimpTeacher You self-correct is wreaking havoc with your tweets - so is mine btw #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:48:56 |
@Marisa_C That's actually very interesting, Marisa. Coursebook are indeed mini-syllabuses. #Eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:49:16 |
@Marisa_C I see your point. It's often very clear that the starting point was the grammar rather than the skills work or the topics #eltchat |
| koomska |
2018-04-25T18:49:20 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat we do that in our summer school - process syllabus based around topics. Should be negotiated with students |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:49:35 |
@whatiselt @ChimpTeacher I have no reason to doubt that. At least the ones I know. Yes. #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:49:45 |
@Marisa_C THat is what started my rant. My colleague thinks grammar mcnuggets make a perfect syllabus for teens in… https://t.co/j9C8XgREqJ |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:50:00 |
@whatiselt @HanaTicha @ChimpTeacher Most TEFL courses do not cover course planning - the Delta does. Even so it… https://t.co/ONsd0HpvSR |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:50:24 |
@Marisa_C @ChimpTeacher LOL #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:50:59 |
@Marisa_C @whatiselt @ChimpTeacher Syllabus planning was included in my MA course too but I think it was rather an exception. #Eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:51:02 |
@Marisa_C Excellent question! I have to say that the reality in Brazil unfortunately is that teachers are not effec… https://t.co/nGvD8KeJEm |
| ChimpTeacher |
2018-04-25T18:51:28 |
What a great thread. So sorry to have to duck out. I know what I’ll be blogging about next! #Eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T18:51:31 |
@Marisa_C What about the content once you have designed a syllabus for a course based on learners’ needs? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:52:22 |
This is why I like the inclusion of functional language. It can be done without worrying about the grammar, and can… https://t.co/DiFI3osbO5 |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:52:23 |
@whatiselt @Marisa_C It all boils down to experience, I believe. I now feel confident enough to design a syllabus.… https://t.co/RIG6iqqwKn |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:52:48 |
@Marisa_C @HanaTicha @ChimpTeacher And to add insult to injury, many contexts do not actually allow teachers to hav… https://t.co/BEhhjtyYTF |
| koomska |
2018-04-25T18:52:59 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C #eltchat That wouldn’t go down well with teens in my summer school! |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:53:12 |
@SueAnnan But all CBS are grammar focused - they pretend to be sth else #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:53:12 |
@HanaTicha They are but they are pre-packaged and sellophaned. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:53:14 |
Sorry am getting disconnected a lot #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:53:50 |
@koomska @Marisa_C I'm not sure it works in our context either. But you try telling him... #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:54:15 |
@Marisa_C True, But if the are accredited by the Ministry of Education ..... :-) #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:54:45 |
@HanaTicha @fionaljp @SueAnnan @whatiselt Not all Ts equally motivated. State syllabi need revision and Ts need sup… https://t.co/sWIERCDWRc |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:54:49 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C who themselves think grammar is a perfectly good way to learn... #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:54:49 |
@SueAnnan Not even grammar sorry to say #eltchat the other sad thing of course is that book editors come from the s… https://t.co/aHlM6DCand |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:55:13 |
@SueAnnan I couldn't agree more! It breaks my heart to see work on funcional language become a grammar analysis of… https://t.co/05p2wHbngc |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:56:01 |
@whatiselt @SueAnnan Ouch! #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:56:27 |
@whatiselt Me too. I'm with you on that. But I like to circumvent the book when it does that- and look for authentic material. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T18:57:24 |
@SueAnnan @whatiselt I do the same. I love this type of subversion. :-) #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2018-04-25T18:57:52 |
@Marisa_C I think because they are not paid for it. #eltchat - I hate blaming money for things but at the end of a… https://t.co/wXx5Pd3GUp |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:57:53 |
#eltchat, what kind of knowledge and skills do you feel teachers lack the most in order to be able to carry out nee… https://t.co/N56OQBrW1E |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T18:58:02 |
How many teachers are familiar with all the different models of syllabus design I wonder - or have heard of N.S. Pr… https://t.co/KlCf0lgGev |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:58:26 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan YES!!! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:58:46 |
Lovely #ELTChat tersThank you so much for this lively discussion. We will shortly be moving to the 24 hr slow burn… https://t.co/Ii4BA4qPja |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T18:59:35 |
@HanaTicha @whatiselt I do too. It makes getting up in the morning worthwhile sometimes #eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T18:59:37 |
@Marisa_C In my context, very few! #eltchat. I'd even dare go as far as asking the same question about trainers. |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T19:00:11 |
@Marisa_C Maybe those who have done a dip or a Masters? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T19:00:21 |
@SueAnnan @whatiselt Yep. And then I can't wait to write about the subversion. :-) #Eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T19:00:28 |
@whatiselt Well syllabus design is very much based on the setting and a ability to measure objectives - another rea… https://t.co/lmk6AeTLv8 |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T19:01:11 |
I think you are right .... #eltchat https://t.co/pdbef2kizs |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T19:01:45 |
Any offers from a summary writer? #eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T19:02:05 |
@Marisa_C goal-setting, finding the right tools for the job, and assessing results, then! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T19:02:48 |
@whatiselt Welcome to Sloppy Joe’s .... :-) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T19:03:10 |
@Marisa_C @whatiselt I feel that once you focus too much on measurable objectives, you'll inevitably need something… https://t.co/ZUS9CobJYO |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T19:03:51 |
@whatiselt Which is why people who specialize in testing are the ones best equipped (usually not always) to write good objectives #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T19:04:26 |
@HanaTicha @whatiselt Not really - I beg to differ #eltchat |
| whatiselt |
2018-04-25T19:04:56 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C I think it depends on what you measure. Your success criteria might revolve around how confide… https://t.co/hk3oTmwhOz |
| SueAnnan |
2018-04-25T19:05:20 |
I have to love you and leave you. See you back here next week at the same time :-) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T19:05:52 |
@whatiselt @Marisa_C I'd say that things like confidence are very subjective and hard to measure though. #Eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T19:06:59 |
@whatiselt @HanaTicha If nothing can be measured or evaluated, then criteria should be thrown out of the window :-) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T19:07:07 |
@whatiselt @Marisa_C And it's even more difficult to measure how confdent the student *feels*. #eltchat |
| koomska |
2018-04-25T19:07:25 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C #eltchat sorry had to get off train so disconnected for a while. Surprised teens don’t revolt! |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T19:08:19 |
@Marisa_C @whatiselt Yes, along with the structural syllabus. :-) #Eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T19:09:15 |
@HanaTicha @whatiselt Measuring feelings never comes into the picture - don’t know where that came from - but fluen… https://t.co/GaraXGITAg |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-25T19:10:33 |
Anyway - have to leave you and go out into the Casablanca night - see you all soon! #Eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T19:12:06 |
@Marisa_C @whatiselt It came from the previous tweet. I simply feel that both come from the same realm (measurable… https://t.co/af2Rrb4rng |
| HanaTicha |
2018-04-25T19:12:41 |
Thanks a lot for an interesting chat. Good night. #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T19:15:16 |
@DorsetDaisy @angelos_bollas Two tutors did the research for over a year #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2018-04-25T19:16:24 |
@HanaTicha Goodnight #eltchat |
| ElleninSaigon |
2018-04-26T00:32:59 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan I terms of grammar, I like editing student writing and then using it for class work, including… https://t.co/ZZZmwjOBgG |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-04-26T06:20:52 |
This great post needs the #ELTchat hashtag :) https://t.co/5lJZgjRPi2 |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-04-26T06:21:13 |
This one, too! #ELTchat hashtaggin' it! https://t.co/diKgnXgeuc |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-04-26T06:22:20 |
@NicolaMeldrum @QuietBitLoudBit @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Love it - something for my file of "things to try in the upcoming term" #ELTchat |
| tesolmatthew |
2018-04-26T06:37:06 |
More and more often this is what I see at the end of the tunnel. It’s not just professionAL dev. as in TD that’ll h… https://t.co/Oq4k2SnYKW |
| tom_flaherty |
2018-04-26T10:06:51 |
An interesting mini-discussion here. Am big advocate of negotiated syllabi but to play devils advocate - should we… https://t.co/00QuIplgiF |
| tom_flaherty |
2018-04-26T10:13:35 |
@whatiselt @SueAnnan @angelos_bollas In short, yes. How many Ts are trained to produce topical, functional, negotia… https://t.co/WW6ul5eJTU |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-26T12:14:04 |
@NicolaMeldrum @QuietBitLoudBit @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Hi Nicola - if you do share stuff with our chat, do remem… https://t.co/BXbpD5FF6b |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-26T12:14:59 |
A post shared on how to (re)negotiate objectives with Ss#ELTchat https://t.co/ovA59z96pj |
| Marisa_C |
2018-04-26T19:55:45 |
@BashirLagaa @whatiselt Hello there - try to join our next #ELTchat next Wednesday! |
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