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Are we doing CPD in Vain

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Marisa_C 2018-04-18T17:43:52 Today, we will be tweeting for the first time without @GlenysHanson who was always present and raring to talk on ev… https://t.co/NUJ1hXGENn
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T17:48:32 Before our #ELTchat, you might want to read @HanaTicha 's post in which she questions the value of CPD and CLT at t… https://t.co/9wUKxMAQPd
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T17:51:10 You might also be interested in Diarmuid Fogarty's response on his blog https://t.co/U8RTm9tk8Z   We haven't seen h… https://t.co/NdHVQQWM58
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:04:02 I really miss Glenys who was always first to log in. RIP. #Eltchat
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:05:42 @SueAnnan Indeed. I’ve only ‘known’ her for a short while but always enjoyed her input. May her memory be a blessing. #Eltchat
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:04:58 Hi everybody. I feel obliged to be here tonight. :-) #joking #Eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:05:17 @este_moscow Hi. Did you get a chance to read Hana's blog? #Eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:05:47 @HanaTicha Thanks Hana. Very thought provoking blog post #Eltchat
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:06:39 @SueAnnan Me too! (I’m awake but fading fast here at 1am in Samut Sakhon, Thailand) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:06:51 @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @este_moscow Hello everyone!  Welcome to this discussion - I read your post @HanaTicha and Dia… https://t.co/H8Vt9Ecvk5
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:07:33 I asked my students for some input. There were interesting comments from them. They seemed to think that good teach… https://t.co/FkelYoQuRE
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:07:41 @SueAnnan Just finished it, plus the second one @Marisa_C posted. It’s a debate I’ve been having with several colle… https://t.co/LRWK6pfYSK
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:09:26 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan It’s true, @GlenysHanson was always calmly waiting for the rest of #ELTchat to rev up  seemed… https://t.co/sQDXEgE10I
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:09:43 @SueAnnan So students think we 'are born with the gift' not made by our training or CPD. But are they a good source… https://t.co/uHfdybyNcF
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:09:53 @este_moscow @Marisa_C Most of my colleagues don't even get into a dialogue. They come in, teach and leave.… https://t.co/ARrikgnPuX
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:10:51 @Marisa_C I was wondering about that. How can students be a guide? They only see the end result #Eltchat
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:11:39 @SueAnnan @este_moscow What about @HanaTicha herself? Might she be available to join in this blog-inspired shindig?… https://t.co/DSpRYfyJyR
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:11:58 @tesolmatthew @este_moscow @HanaTicha she's here #Eltchat
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:12:30 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C I'm currently the only teacher at my school with a ELT qualification, or any type of teaching q… https://t.co/l1zdeNYQZF
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:12:54 I don't plan to talk just about the two blog posts but it might be a good start point #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:14:28 @Marisa_C I feel that CPD is vital. It can make  even a bad  teacher more effective in the classroom. My colleagues… https://t.co/VWAdy9LlBs
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:14:39 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C They can actually be a great source of feedback. What they say may hurt at first but then you r… https://t.co/Abz0iy5pPC
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:14:41 @este_moscow @SueAnnan I think this is an issue in many locations - where there is what some call complacency setti… https://t.co/uJc0bCZgxh
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:15:52 @HanaTicha @SueAnnan I believe students can be a great source of feedback when they have been trained by good teach… https://t.co/2y74hrmym8
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:16:26 @Marisa_C @este_moscow Would you prefer to be a teacher who has been teaching for 20 years or a teacher who has bee… https://t.co/6OfHcquUFE
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:17:47 @HanaTicha @Marisa_C I teach adults, so they are a little more circumspect but not much :-)#Eltchat
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:18:38 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan Very true. And if you don't even have basic training, it's easy to say you're 'stuck with a dif… https://t.co/xFyytRlu7r
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:20:18 @este_moscow @Marisa_C That's a good point. I find teachers who go through the motions are more likely to complain… https://t.co/6EsgYlE6Kk
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:21:09 So back to our question - does CPD help us or is it a waste of time and money? #eltchat
muranava 2018-04-18T18:22:23 #eltchat also for cpd important to consider contexts (e.g. accountability) teachers work in as well as individual f… https://t.co/3fm5P3FLMB
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:22:23 @Marisa_C It does help. It is the best prevention of burnout, I think  #Eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:23:36 So are we chasing CPD in vain, as Hana suggests? Does it make any real difference? I posit that it does. I learn s… https://t.co/Oi5Qzq76M3
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:24:31 @Marisa_C What did you get out of IATEFL re CPD? or was it just time and money spent? #Eltchat
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:25:40 @Marisa_C I will always encourage CPD. In fact, lack of CPD results in a waste of students' time and money, and fru… https://t.co/vmEF5fIPi1
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:26:04 @SueAnnan It makes a big difference, I think. It shapes me as a teacher and a person and this must reflect in the classroom. #Eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:26:36 @HanaTicha Does it matter then whether the students are aware of it? #Eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:26:40 @SueAnnan CPD may be perhaps more effective when it happens voluntarily and because we feel we need it , This is ho… https://t.co/r3wo9rHCgf
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:27:23 @SueAnnan They are aware of the results of CPD - not the fact that we engage in CPD. #Eltchat
muranava 2018-04-18T18:27:50 #eltchat there seems to be a notion of *lack* or *deficit* in cpd (e.g. see a recent whitepaper… https://t.co/Nw8cItGBMj
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:28:25 @Marisa_C That is how I learn best too. Perhaps the enforced CPD is the problem, because it isn't a case of one siz… https://t.co/XaQWNdZ6uW
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:28:52 @muranava That is very true. Pacing schedules and the likes often leave very little wriggle room to implement new i… https://t.co/epgunCDw0N
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:28:59 @muranava I think this discussion has started already and you are right - one size does not fit all - there were so… https://t.co/Chk4vYVvc7
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:30:19 @HanaTicha But they aren't really- they just think they very lucky with the teacher they got #Eltchat
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:30:22 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Offer opps and inspire your Ts, then support them if and when they engage in CPD. The mandatory… https://t.co/bHfmL7k59C
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:30:51 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan I agree. All of my CPD has been totally voluntary. It simply makes me happy. And I dare say my… https://t.co/EDygjouNYg
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:32:04 @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C We don't do Monday  workshops any more, but when we listen to what's needed and bring someo… https://t.co/Jn9t5mK06O
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:32:52 @tesolmatthew @SueAnnan There is a lot of free CPD though many Ts who do it are not always capable of putting it to… https://t.co/LT7pMxGkUG
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:33:16 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan The expectations the schools place on Ts also plays a role. If you can get by with doing the mi… https://t.co/244rYar8r4
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:33:38 @este_moscow @Marisa_C Exactly !!!#ELTChat
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:33:51 and why bother the other teachers who are just getting by on that bare minimim! #ELTchat https://t.co/Zlrnpe1azI
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:34:44 @Marisa_C because they bring your school down with their attitude #Eltchat
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:35:05 Often we conflate the learning, the development and the outcome of CPD - they are 3 distinct things. A conference f… https://t.co/9rjUsIofwO
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:35:18 On the flipside of this - a teacher who teaches 40 hrs a week and gets 4-5 euros an hour is not entirely unjustifie… https://t.co/9GmBoeSocN
fionaljp 2018-04-18T18:35:32 @Marisa_C Hello #eltchat I think CPD is vital and asking students for feedback is an avenue of opportunity for refection.
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:35:51 @este_moscow @Marisa_C @SueAnnan Why bother? Because you want to. Because you are doing it for yourself - you may n… https://t.co/8j4O5C9V6F
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:35:56 I submit to this #ELTchat two quotes from a prez about the #ELTwhiteboard hashtag but also teacher-created, teacher… https://t.co/T4uxiKBmc6
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:36:20 @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @SueAnnan As in it was unpaid? Or you chose what to do? I think institutions need to provide r… https://t.co/rQNhKb6oSJ
fionaljp 2018-04-18T18:36:32 @Marisa_C Reflection! -on phone & tweeting with difficulty #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:37:36 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan Reminds me that I’m interested in @ETprofessional’s “CPD Tracker” tool #ELTchat hope to sort out a subscription soon.
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:38:03 @Marisa_C @muranava Think the deficit idea is best addressed by institution-led training to make up for shortcoming… https://t.co/o1kkMXBns5
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:39:26 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C It's a catch-22, if schools expect and reward CPD, it'll motivate teachers. But schools don't d… https://t.co/TFQSUlOEED
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:39:38 @Liam_ELT @Marisa_C @muranava Isn't that splitting hairs? institution training is still CPD. But I see where you are coming from. #Eltchat
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:39:58 @Marisa_C Right on. Ts need time, money and space to engage in development. Management’s job is to provide those (a… https://t.co/fMubf9FGV7
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:40:57 @este_moscow @Marisa_C How do you think rewarding CPD would work in reality? #Eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:41:25 @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @ETprofessional sounds good #Eltchat
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:41:52 @este_moscow @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Need a manager or teacher to lead the charge. If you don’t know who that is in you… https://t.co/9cygGbilXk
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:42:00 @SueAnnan @este_moscow @Marisa_C In Slovakia, the teachers get credits and then, after some time, a pay rise #Eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:42:21 @Liam_ELT Which is why I think that these discussions about CPD and own design without coursebooks may well be issu… https://t.co/C6BN09hGAj
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:43:10 @Liam_ELT @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @SueAnnan In light of that comment it’s sorta ludicrous we’d be SO on our own &wound… https://t.co/9cnN7wO38S
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:43:19 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C @muranava Not the same for me. One is what is required of you to do your job. One is your own i… https://t.co/UxhIhTgRB9
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:43:44 @fionaljp @tesolmatthew @SueAnnan @ETprofessional It's good to have one if it's personal and created by the T, not… https://t.co/T9lsDRKVGd
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:43:57 @HanaTicha @este_moscow @Marisa_C Interesting. My boss pays a certain amount per teacher, each two years for CPD, b… https://t.co/jmBSAzHY5U
fionaljp 2018-04-18T18:44:32 @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @SueAnnan @ETprofessional What are the advantages of a CPD tracker tool? #eltchat
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:44:52 @Marisa_C Absolutely! Pay and conditions always comes first. Without that security there won’t be any of the lovely… https://t.co/01XPJgBzHq
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:47:09 @Liam_ELT Which is why - locally, in my own Greek turf - many school owners discourage Ts from following CPD even f… https://t.co/i655RGKUT4
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:47:14 @fionaljp @Marisa_C @SueAnnan @ETprofessional Not sure tbh. But maybe to guard against the “haphazard” mentioned by… https://t.co/dVSQEMIjbW
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:47:22 @fionaljp @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @ETprofessional I don't personally need one, but if it helps you keep count of wh… https://t.co/5cJLe47hUP
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:47:59 @SueAnnan @fionaljp @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @ETprofessional I just keep all my certificates of attendance in a folder. #Eltchat
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:48:02 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Dollars, baby.  No, seriously, things like inviting CPDed Ts to participate in think-tanks to d… https://t.co/tVwoqTPg6O
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:48:25 @tesolmatthew @fionaljp @SueAnnan @ETprofessional there is an attempt to address this on the Delta course thru a lo… https://t.co/21tI2dIoAv
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:48:36 @Marisa_C @Liam_ELT yet when you see what can be offered freely, it is a sin to not make use of it #Eltchat
RobertTaylorELT 2018-04-18T18:48:40 @Marisa_C This seems an issue with poor pay and conditions in the sector, rather than CPD, specifically #eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:49:24 @HanaTicha @fionaljp @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @ETprofessional Me too. Usually! I forgot to pick up my Iatefl certifi… https://t.co/4551y3S4cq
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:50:33 #ELTchat hashtag!!! https://t.co/ooYCrWDSWC
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:51:29 @SueAnnan @fionaljp @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @ETprofessional Yes and my students will usually tell that I've just re… https://t.co/LhLKKn90EL
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:51:55 @RobertTaylorELT @Marisa_C Poor pay certainly doesn't help #Eltchat
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:52:16 I think that so much free stuff has some ppl confused - important to have a solid basis to begin from so critical t… https://t.co/WO6kEMhA7g
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:52:27 @HanaTicha @fionaljp @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @ETprofessional MIne too. In fact they ask what Ive been learning and… https://t.co/YzktkusIve
este_moscow 2018-04-18T18:52:53 @Marisa_C @Liam_ELT Exactly my situation. Heartbreaking because I see many potentially great teachers give up becau… https://t.co/jABIHWD1JR
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:54:02 @Marisa_C DOH! #howcouldiforget #ELTchat! https://t.co/XtBp8Q5wfJ
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T18:54:33 @tesolmatthew and you a mod!!! #yikes #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:54:47 I think we are talking to the converted here. We need to be the raised  voices in our staffrooms too #Eltchat
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:54:53 @SueAnnan @fionaljp @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @ETprofessional Mine will aks: And where did you get *this* activity fr… https://t.co/NuDi0Rclxb
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:54:57 @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @fionaljp @Marisa_C @ETprofessional As a trainer, your CPD is a clear and present model of professionalism. #ELTchat
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:55:12 @este_moscow @Marisa_C Local networks of Ts can really help with this.  The short lived @ELTMAKERS in Dublin really… https://t.co/W2LjQHBII1
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:56:01 @Liam_ELT @este_moscow @Marisa_C @ELTMAKERS Did you search them out? #Eltchat
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T18:56:20 @Marisa_C I can be found in here  #ELTchat https://t.co/A5t7aQo2Mx
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T18:57:28 @SueAnnan @este_moscow @Marisa_C @ELTMAKERS I heard about them from another T in my school. I hadn’t really ever go… https://t.co/pSn9TrZAOs
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T18:57:33 So, we all know that CPD is beneficial. We love it and engage in it enthusiastically. So it hurts a bit when we rea… https://t.co/t1UFYuK5e8
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:58:10 we are coming to the end of this interesting chat. I'm going to ask nicely if anyone would like the kudos for writi… https://t.co/z5WKF9rRnq
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T18:59:47 I'll post the transcript tomorrow evening after the slow burn. Thanks for your participation.#Eltchat
Liam_ELT 2018-04-18T19:00:23 @HanaTicha Ahaha. Reminds me of my colleague Declan’s line about resisting the pedestal towards the end of this… https://t.co/jw8DiGlSgt
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T19:00:38 @HanaTicha It takes time from initial training to becoming a good or outstanding (if such a thing exists) teacher -… https://t.co/TUcURKIYax
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T19:00:38 @HanaTicha Perhaps we have to continue doing what we love and grow a thick skin #Eltchat
HanaTicha 2018-04-18T19:00:44 Good night, everybody. #Eltchat
SueAnnan 2018-04-18T19:02:09 NIght night all. See you here next week- bright-eyed and bushy-tailed #Eltchat
muranava 2018-04-18T19:02:58 @HanaTicha #eltchat there's maybe a parallel here with how some lay people feel entitled to comment on first langua… https://t.co/eKJgPlgBPJ
este_moscow 2018-04-18T19:05:34 @HanaTicha If you gave every student what they wanted 100% of the time, they would think you were a great teacher 1… https://t.co/x0fonPgMJl
muranava 2018-04-18T19:06:31 #eltchat thanks all, peace and love @GlenysHanson
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T19:07:13 @este_moscow @HanaTicha may be a balance :-) #eltchat want and need  - learner training and align the two somewhat more
Marisa_C 2018-04-18T19:08:24 @muranava @HanaTicha yes, and if you are a learner you know how people learn best, so you know how teachers should… https://t.co/4Yxvfb82el
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T19:09:10 Including topics that you’ve recently read memorable blogposts about (like today). #ELTchat or something from an… https://t.co/ttzEU1l5iM
muranava 2018-04-18T19:09:48 @Marisa_C @HanaTicha #eltchat yes i think that plays a part!
este_moscow 2018-04-18T19:10:10 Time flies when you're having fun :( Great chat, thanks everyone.  #eltchat
WiSciGuy 2018-04-18T19:14:42 @SueAnnan Are you an ELL educator?If so, location, year, etc. :) #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2018-04-18T19:18:14 Final from me & thx all for another nice #ELTchat!! Just another pic of quotes like previous. Maybe CPD that’s furt… https://t.co/Q77RYqAHz1
tom_flaherty 2018-04-19T10:28:21 A rather pertinent question for the #ELT world at the moment, I'd say, especially considering yesterday's #ELTchat https://t.co/edZ2R5P3Ep
Marisa_C 2018-04-19T10:55:26 @ETprofessional @fionaljp @tesolmatthew @SueAnnan will try it to see how it works  #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2018-04-19T10:57:14 @Marisa_C @ETprofessional @fionaljp @SueAnnan Ah, well that’s a basic something that I’ve been needing (tried diigo… https://t.co/Whkc98ua7N
naomishema 2018-04-19T16:34:13 One Tweak at a Time: Reflecting on Fanselow’s Textbook for EFL Teachers – 1. Skepticisim 101… https://t.co/uDyhHas3rD

 

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