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Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T10:57:12 |
Tonight at 19.00 UK time #ELTchat friends plan to talk about Reflective Teaching - the topic was proposed by… https://t.co/i4fUFWElfD |
teacherphili |
2018-01-31T14:34:58 |
The Personal and The Professional: Reflective Practice (Time to Talk) > https://t.co/TGDKP4zdxV#eltchat… https://t.co/oX2wiHCpF1 |
CELT_Athens |
2018-01-31T16:19:23 |
A busy p.m. an online presentation for the Techno CLILers in abt 40’ then #ELTchat. |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T18:24:09 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Hello everyone! Thank you so much for taking into consideration my suggestion! My heartfelt than… https://t.co/oPi4fORyEo |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T18:27:32 |
@Romdhanifaten Hi there Faten you are not late - the chat in about 40 mins :-) #ELTchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T18:28:25 |
#ELTchat Q1: To what extent is technology (in general) helping teachers become more reflective? Could this be proba… https://t.co/KuYazALrWa |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T18:29:44 |
#ELTchat: I'm really delighted to join you :-) |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T18:34:52 |
#ELTchat: If teachers are not willing to reflect on their practices, would technology help them or hinder their professional growth? |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T18:57:10 |
In about 5 minutes #ELTchat kicks off with the topic of reflective teaching. #CELTAchat friends and #ELTchinwag ger… https://t.co/t7Tu7QijID |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T18:59:54 |
@Romdhanifaten When I wanted to keep a teaching journal last summer, I found it hard to find good information onlin… https://t.co/S2jKKTstxT |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:00:40 |
So, throwing it out there to #ELTchat: teaching journals. Thoughts? Opinions? Useful links? |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:02:08 |
Welcome all to #ELTchat - let's kick off with some of the comments and Qs already posted. Roll call? Who else is joining us? |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:02:58 |
@Marisa_C Hi! Looking forward to tonight’s #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:03:18 |
@MoreMsJackson @Romdhanifaten Not surprised ELT think on the ground on this but it is a growing trend so am somewhat surprised - #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:05:01 |
@este_moscow Hi Este welcome ! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:05:51 |
@MoreMsJackson Beyond Training Jack Richards, Cambridge University Press, 1998 `? #ELTchat |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:06:57 |
Hi there! yet another topic I know little about - you young things can inform me. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:08:07 |
@GlenysHanson Me young thing? You got to be kidding me :-D #Eltchat |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:08:36 |
@Marisa_C @Romdhanifaten I forgot it's 2018... It was summer 2016 I was looking, and didn't have access to many met… https://t.co/XIHBdZxzs5 |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:09:00 |
Yo people . I'm here #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:09:38 |
However, having acknowledged the paucity of publications, most CELTA and Delta trainers work on the principles of c… https://t.co/LogmJ9mIF2 |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:09:52 |
@MoreMsJackson @Romdhanifaten How did you get started, eventually? Any main pints you chose to focus on? I’ve never… https://t.co/cz0oI0lbZT |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:10:50 |
#ELTchatone week away and I forget the hashtag!! https://t.co/j0XDBEvRh2 |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:10:51 |
@SueAnnan Missed you last week, Sue. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:11:03 |
One of the things that can hel teachers reflect a lot is the use of video #ELtchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:11:11 |
@GlenysHanson Thank you Glenys #eltchat |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:11:12 |
@MoreMsJackson @Romdhanifaten Sorry, “points”. Although, to each his own..... :) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:11:19 |
@SueAnnan oh them too :-D #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:11:59 |
@Marisa_C I'm coming round to your use of evernote for noes and video clips when training #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:12:29 |
I think if reflection is not part of a course (on the Delta it's part of the assessment of teaching) then it is usu… https://t.co/qHFFyeIalv |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:13:14 |
Was trying to find my presentation on this thing but looks like I have lost it :-( #eltchat https://t.co/64Dy7DHk4Z |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:13:59 |
@Marisa_C I'll soon be 71. Can you beat that? ;-) #ELTchat |
Papamihailidou |
2018-01-31T19:14:18 |
@Romdhanifaten @MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C I usually have reflection diaries with my trainees. They all have to spend… https://t.co/gtBVEdesgq |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:14:26 |
@este_moscow @Romdhanifaten Good question, I'm looking back at my journal now #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:14:42 |
DipTESOL has a whole section on reflective practice and it covers 20 lesson hours of reflection- quite detailed… https://t.co/i6UaX5cjyM |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:14:59 |
What I encourage my trainees to do while and beyond training is to think back of the lesson (if a plan exists it he… https://t.co/kHUCQw5qQK |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:15:29 |
@GlenysHanson not yet :-D #eltchat but I am in no hurry to complete |
ebefl |
2018-01-31T19:15:30 |
@Romdhanifaten I have a feeling it makes them less reflective. Lots of nice toys but little reflection on how effec… https://t.co/6Kmtib8fqX |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:15:31 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C There's a teacher on the EVO course who's 75 #eltchat |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:16:15 |
@Romdhanifaten @Marisa_C I've started a blog but anything I put there is a lot more polished that what I'd write in… https://t.co/0h7roagmDl |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:16:31 |
@ebefl @Romdhanifaten perhaps the thing to do is reflect, then sleep on it and discuss in detail the next day #eltchat |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:17:05 |
@Romdhanifaten @este_moscow Yes, interaction is a part of it. Reading blogs too, going to webinars, workshops and c… https://t.co/72LMW6zLeG |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:17:30 |
@ebefl I do agree with you! Multi-tasking, FB distraction, a lot of wasted time online, but not real reflection! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:18:50 |
I think if you haven't been trained to reflect it's hard - if you are not informed you lack the criteria #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:19:11 |
Reflection without knowledge is pointless #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:19:28 |
@Marisa_C But then isn't that part of our job as trainers? #eltchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:19:38 |
@SueAnnan @ebefl Indeed! This means trying to be objective! and give oneself a chance to weigh in on thoughts! #ELTchat |
Papamihailidou |
2018-01-31T19:19:59 |
@Marisa_C This is great! Will try it with my observations as part of the reflection process. It reminds me of an ac… https://t.co/v6tOpqaG9M |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:20:09 |
@MoreMsJackson @este_moscow Absolutely! Very useful! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:20:20 |
@SueAnnan I think it is but we are not looking here at what we do as trainers - but what Ts can do on their own #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:20:43 |
@Marisa_C Yes but we can start them on the right path #eltchat |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:20:56 |
@Marisa_C That seems simple enough :) I’m generally terrible at puttting my thoughts on paper. That’s why the idea… https://t.co/btk4K27DBJ |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:21:07 |
@SueAnnan This is is a given #ELTchat |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:21:39 |
@este_moscow @Romdhanifaten Context: I had some free choice "Skills" lesson with elementary level students so I cho… https://t.co/svfirvmeMu |
Papamihailidou |
2018-01-31T19:21:59 |
@Marisa_C I attended the English UK conference last weekend and we had talked about whether teacher-reflection is o… https://t.co/2pOLOc5oV8 |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:22:00 |
@este_moscow @MoreMsJackson Blogging could help other professionals see to what extent they do enrich each other's… https://t.co/8lc8drLoZI |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:22:12 |
@este_moscow you'll be involved in plenty of reflection on your course - that's part of your training as @SueAnnan… https://t.co/JYgFgSa7vw |
harrisonmike |
2018-01-31T19:23:21 |
@ebefl @Romdhanifaten I also think some tech sort of pretends to foster reflection but actually doesn't. (Can't thi… https://t.co/NxHxCepxtp |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:23:23 |
@Papamihailidou possible - may be reflection without feedback from someone ? #eltchat which may be why it's a good… https://t.co/X4tycRHT5A |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:24:03 |
@Marisa_C @este_moscow This year I can say -yes- for sure. We have a BC inspection later in the summer. Reflection… https://t.co/BFq6UnceNb |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:24:04 |
Create a Quality circle - pretty much like a literary club - talk about your teaching with trusted colleagues #ELTchat |
redactoUk |
2018-01-31T19:24:26 |
#listen to the second part of the story of Dr Diab and fill the gaps with https://t.co/YiHucgUMRd #elt #eltchat… https://t.co/1zfGcBY8z1 |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:24:41 |
@Marisa_C I'd been applying reflective practice to reflecting on what students have done on class. My criteria came… https://t.co/2ZxN6qWOmV |
harrisonmike |
2018-01-31T19:24:46 |
@Papamihailidou @Marisa_C This point came up in the @TDSIG live meet up we had on Facebook – reflection without fol… https://t.co/eHQOX9YRuP |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:25:14 |
@MoreMsJackson @este_moscow Amazing! TY for sharing this idea! so you focus on one concern at a time/ while teaching /reflecting! #ELTchat |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:25:19 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan That’s the million dollar question. I do see the use of it, though. Lately I’ve been having mor… https://t.co/flMqmG02L8 |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:25:37 |
@SueAnnan @ebefl @Romdhanifaten Definitely agree on reflecting soon after the lesson then sleeping on it. It can al… https://t.co/MuOpBFORyu |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:26:11 |
Indeed - an action plan #eltchat and how you can go about attaining your goal - what you should read, what you shou… https://t.co/tncVcdb7zV |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:27:31 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan @ebefl @Romdhanifaten as you should have indeed #ELTchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:27:38 |
@harrisonmike @ebefl What about using tech to collect reflections of sts on lessons! some sort of feedback I'd base… https://t.co/p4VqqeCroo |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:27:40 |
@Papamihailidou @Marisa_C Key point there about action points. If reflection isn't there to help teachers improve,… https://t.co/r9P2v6wFg1 |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:28:18 |
@Romdhanifaten @harrisonmike @ebefl What kind of tech do you have in mind? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:28:48 |
Getting Ss to reflect is also helpful - often tho they like everything you do :-D #eltchat esp if they like your pe… https://t.co/t7pnD8GctS |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:28:49 |
@MoreMsJackson @Papamihailidou @Marisa_C Good point. If nothing changes the T was just going through the motions #eltchat |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:29:16 |
@Marisa_C I love how simple you make it sound :) I’m fairly sure there’s a tad more to it... #ELTchat |
Papamihailidou |
2018-01-31T19:29:18 |
@MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C Action point, trailing, consistency and reflection again! The circle of #tefl ! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:29:29 |
@Marisa_C Yes. They aren't very reflective themselves #eltchat |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:29:49 |
@Romdhanifaten @este_moscow I guess the cycle for journalling could be - think of something you want to try/change,… https://t.co/S8AV1XHiZU |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:29:56 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan @ebefl Definitely! A peer or a mentor ! Yes, I totally agree ! Putting head together would… https://t.co/8QCIU9Kjdh |
ebefl |
2018-01-31T19:30:31 |
@Romdhanifaten @harrisonmike Like a googleDoc or wiki? #ELTchatI would be a little cautious of student feedback m… https://t.co/7wyl351HOn |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:30:51 |
One of the things that could be a great starting point is thinking about our own values and beliefs about teaching… https://t.co/toqBzF00yl |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:31:03 |
@Romdhanifaten @MoreMsJackson @ebefl But only if you trust the other teacher. Its a good way to see something from… https://t.co/XUlNHKxLns |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:31:26 |
@Romdhanifaten @harrisonmike @ebefl Feedback from learners is definitely useful, whether informal or formal #ELTchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:31:53 |
@SueAnnan @harrisonmike @ebefl I think of online quizzes/ forms/ kahoots/ ... apps that could help sts take some di… https://t.co/AV58gncYeN |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:32:02 |
@MoreMsJackson @Romdhanifaten That’s really helpful. And as I’m required to keep an activity log for my lessons, it… https://t.co/a0rn2l1NYl |
fionaljp |
2018-01-31T19:32:18 |
Hello #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:32:31 |
@fionaljp Hi Fi #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:32:45 |
@fionaljp Hey there! Welcome! #eltchat |
fionaljp |
2018-01-31T19:33:44 |
@SueAnnan Hello! Having wifi problems here in Spain #ELTchat |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:33:45 |
@Marisa_C When I got students to give feedback, I forbade sentences beginning "I liked..." or "I didn't like..." Th… https://t.co/fDxBXGeXRS |
fionaljp |
2018-01-31T19:34:40 |
@Marisa_C Hello, late but made it! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:34:43 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C I ask for three useful things they have learnt at the end of each class #eltchat |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:35:03 |
@este_moscow @Romdhanifaten That kind of reflection would be good for staging, timing, choice of activities, etc. Y… https://t.co/emQDqJJeMz |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:36:54 |
@MoreMsJackson @este_moscow @Romdhanifaten I works best if you can team teach. Then you can have an observer to che… https://t.co/UP7JvNN9Bh |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:38:18 |
Our own learners who get to be taught by so many teachers are somewhat frightening at times - they say things like… https://t.co/vu7lP3DiMm |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:39:26 |
@Marisa_C ouch ! #eltchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:39:45 |
@SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson @este_moscow Interesting indeed! and inviting some colleagues to observe our lessons and c… https://t.co/bGouhQeX4A |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:39:46 |
#ELtchat As a YL teacher reflective teaching would also help ensuring you teach to each student, not just the group… https://t.co/kpX89re3KZ |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:40:14 |
I think - to go back to what someone said earlier - Ts need to be trained into other ways of evaluating their perf… https://t.co/ulqBuJLk8G |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:40:59 |
@SueAnnan yep - 'excuse me, I am not quite sure what to do now.." #eltchat and worse |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:41:08 |
@Romdhanifaten @MoreMsJackson @este_moscow Its invaluable. I did it last year with a colleague and we both benefitted from it #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:41:46 |
our talk from recordings of course or videos #ELTchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:42:42 |
@SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson @este_moscow To deepen reflection, we need to build more bridges amongst teachers! #ELTchat |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:42:52 |
@SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson @este_moscow @Romdhanifaten I team taught most of the time. Also got a lot of feedback fro… https://t.co/kP5tGI6nlk |
fionaljp |
2018-01-31T19:43:14 |
So sad but will have to give up - wifi problems and TweetDeck has frozen :-( Will look forward to summary! Bye #eltchat |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:44:29 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan @este_moscow @Romdhanifaten Yes, I was thinking those are two different topics. Learners gi… https://t.co/ho3OoqXTQX |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:44:34 |
@GlenysHanson @MoreMsJackson @este_moscow @Romdhanifaten Yes. I agree. and we get so fixated on asking students que… https://t.co/5Ffn5u5XzZ |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:46:27 |
The difference between working with trusted colleagues and blogging, is that you have no control over who reads and… https://t.co/0zoYMjZBbh |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:47:01 |
@Romdhanifaten @SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson We need more bridges, but also broader minds :) Teacher will be less likely… https://t.co/69pHCYIo11 |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:47:02 |
@trinquisitor_th Your right! But I like to tease you. Please let me be best at one thing. The EVO teacher isn't here - who is she? #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:47:53 |
@GlenysHanson @trinquisitor_th It's okay. She's in Azerbajan #eltchat You can win here Glenys |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:48:50 |
@este_moscow @SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson Totally agree! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:50:20 |
@este_moscow @Romdhanifaten @SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson which is why places like this and forming an international PLN… https://t.co/cXaz2D8iun |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:50:22 |
I think reflection should be an ongoing tool that teachers have at their disposal to make them better at their job.… https://t.co/hAzIZIVjLO |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:50:59 |
@Marisa_C @este_moscow @Romdhanifaten @MoreMsJackson I'll second that :-) #eltchat |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:51:30 |
@SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson @este_moscow @Romdhanifaten I used to ask students how they felt about the lesson. They kn… https://t.co/YVLGa5QSlf |
MoreMsJackson |
2018-01-31T19:51:57 |
@Marisa_C @este_moscow @Romdhanifaten @SueAnnan Needn't be a whole lesson that's recorded. That should go without s… https://t.co/G5rEVQJkmm |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:52:26 |
very true = we are also busy ppl #eltchat https://t.co/xYOPqhneJ9 |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:54:09 |
#eltchat Come and join us. Remember the hashtag https://t.co/Bqgx10PVDO |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:55:58 |
I don't know any teacher trainers these days who do not promote reflecting after lessons - unless we are talking ab… https://t.co/WuIQrHKgtw |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T19:56:17 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson @Romdhanifaten I do the same, ask them what they feel went well, and what wa… https://t.co/mBZqSJVPB2 |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T19:56:19 |
@MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C @este_moscow @SueAnnan Recording sts/ the whole lesson is a v useful tool! asking sts to r… https://t.co/msqd0lw2Hs |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:56:48 |
Coming to the end of this great chat. Could I interest anyone in writing the summary? I'll post the transcript after the slow burn #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:57:27 |
@Romdhanifaten @MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C @este_moscow You have to be so careful with recording students these days.… https://t.co/F6i0HzYgyo |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:57:42 |
@SueAnnan May be @Romdhanifaten who asked for this topic? Just saying :-) #eltchat |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T19:57:48 |
@SueAnnan I agree. When I was training as a Silent Way teacher, we learnt to make comments on ourselves, on other t… https://t.co/awIpdNBpuI |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:57:59 |
Looking for a summary writer... #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T19:58:57 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan I was just thinking about that ! Cos we re in the middle of teaching the various approache… https://t.co/38lg1IMPxV |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T19:59:03 |
@GlenysHanson What a nice thing to do though. #eltchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T20:00:24 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Indeed :-) #ELtchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T20:00:25 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan it is difficult tho as G says - on reviewing my field notes i often comb out judgemental comments #ELTchat |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T20:00:54 |
@SueAnnan You mean it's nice not being judgemental? #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T20:01:44 |
@GlenysHanson Yes. But learning to temper language too #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T20:02:27 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan Depends - if I want my trainees to think of what went well and what not themselves, a judgm… https://t.co/NnYIzjlTHP |
SueAnnan |
2018-01-31T20:03:16 |
Time to love you and leave you. Slowburn will continue for 24 hours if you wish to keep chatting. See you all here… https://t.co/4VTP2P2Ffr |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T20:03:22 |
@Marisa_C TBH, I wish there was more emphasis on this when I did CELTA a million years ago. We were basically taugh… https://t.co/xkU2F8r9Cu |
este_moscow |
2018-01-31T20:11:04 |
Thanks, everyone! This was incredibly helpful and insightful. See you again next week. If I don’t get buried in snow.. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T20:11:36 |
Well good #ELTchat reflective folk, that was that for now - pls continue to comment and add in the #slowburn part o… https://t.co/Cnm6giRVtO |
GlenysHanson |
2018-01-31T20:12:11 |
Thanks for suggesting this subject @fatenromdhani Bye for now. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-01-31T20:15:02 |
@Romdhanifaten Thank you Faten - will send you a message after the end of tomorrow when Sue will have share the transcript #eltchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2018-01-31T20:16:17 |
@Marisa_C My pleasure :-) TY :-) #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2018-02-01T14:27:52 |
@Evernote for Teacher Observatiion & Development - and reflection ! - @SueAnnan Found and sharinng my slides from m… https://t.co/l0sveGH8Ys |
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