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| OUPELTGlobal |
2017-11-29T10:57:27 |
When there are so many different ways to teach grammar, how do you choose the right one? Charlotte Rance (@RanceELT… https://t.co/Tylg4EPLLY |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-11-29T11:30:32 |
It's tonight! #ELTchat Learning Grammar VS Teaching Grammarat 19.00 (UK time) https://t.co/X130pezqW5 |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T18:44:01 |
Secretly pleased that my eve class was cancelled so I can join #ELTchat https://t.co/N2DuKNxXlp |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T18:55:48 |
@MConca16 That sounds almost like an #ELTconfession ! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T18:55:53 |
@MConca16 Great news- and welcome Maria #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T18:57:55 |
Hi Marisa MOu #ELTchat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T18:59:14 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat It is indeed Hate teaching Wed nites! |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T18:59:18 |
@SueAnnan Sue! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:00:15 |
Who's coming to join #ELTchat tonight? Learning and or Teaching grammar |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:00:41 |
@Marisa_C lets go #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:01:12 |
Our topic tonight! #ELTchat How do you deal with grammar as a teacher or a learner? https://t.co/Pm2Vt1fsVL |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:02:04 |
I like to let students work it out for themselves if they can #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:02:25 |
#ELTchat I want to begin by saying that, as a learner, I was crammed full of grammar taught GT style most of which… https://t.co/mDlDzu82Nq |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:02:57 |
I think reading is the most natural way of learning chunks #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:03:11 |
Good evening #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:03:57 |
#ELTchat ...cont.. and masses of listening, mostly to records to get the words down for my brother's band! :-) |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:04:36 |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat Typical.I was lucky to learn naturally as a child and refused to study grammar at school.Never b… https://t.co/X4iaaHg5dX |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:04:42 |
@naomishema Hi Naomi- good to have you with us #ELTChat |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:05:02 |
Isn't listening as important? I can C with my Deaf students how many of them tdon't get chunks #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:05:10 |
#ELTchat My only experience of being taught with newer methods is as a beginner of Turkish |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:05:54 |
@MConca16 Didn't know what I was being taught anyway :-) #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:06:01 |
I didn't learn any grammar at school, but I turned out just fine :-) #ELTchat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:06:33 |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat oh yeah loved music and translated lyrics to friends and family Contrastive Grammar? |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:06:51 |
#ELTchat But as an adult beginner of Turkish I positively CRAVED a quick and dirty syntax lesson or four to figure… https://t.co/mCX8OJxISO |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:07:18 |
But it is amazing how many students feel that if they are doing tons of grammar pages then it is a serious course. #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:07:29 |
I offer help if required, but try to avoid grammar Mcnuggets #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:07:34 |
@SueAnnan Sure but we 're talking FL acquisition now not L1 - same for me in Greek #ELTChat |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:07:52 |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat Reading is great for people who like reading (people like us) but for many it's a chore. |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:08:34 |
Hugely important I think #eltchat but again I was acquiring without grammar https://t.co/fbZLZSs3GT |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:08:56 |
#ELTChat Grammar is students' and (at times) teachers' & coursebook writers' obsession https://t.co/1x2gZ7Ow4c |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:09:06 |
@GlenysHanson true. Perhaps listening to pop music might suit others. I often have adult students who quote the odd… https://t.co/K72kDJOVD6 |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:10:05 |
@SueAnnan The McNugget word is in my presentation at IATEFL in Brighton - got accepted!!! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:10:49 |
What do you mean my McNuggets? Short rules that aren't useful enough? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:10:54 |
It's going to be a photonovella between Ms Holistic and Ms McNugget #ELTChat |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:10:55 |
@Marisa_C At school I studied French, Welsh and Latin with masses of reciting grammar rules. Didn't learn to speak any of them. #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:11:12 |
@Marisa_C Well done you #ELTChat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:11:15 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan #ELTChat both listening & reading for pleasure develop language awareness at different rates |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:11:44 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C But could you learn to WRITE any of those langauges? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:11:46 |
Me too - tons of hours wasted on classical Greek and Latin yikes - hours and hours every week #eltchat https://t.co/FiOqDm59zW |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:11:55 |
@naomishema Yes. Little bites of something disconnected to anything useful #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:13:23 |
@naomishema @GlenysHanson I could yes - I was very proficient in text analysis of Ancient Greek and was able to tra… https://t.co/KQRD9l9RRF |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:13:51 |
@naomishema @GlenysHanson I can still read and understand it #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
2017-11-29T19:14:00 |
Show Students These Christmas Around the World Videos https://t.co/IDCk0q9nZY #Christmas #eltchat #ellchat #teflchat #edchat #globaled |
| SimpleK12 |
2017-11-29T19:14:19 |
rt ShellTerrell: Show Students These Christmas Around the World Videos https://t.co/MhUhfdsC9l #Christmas #eltchat… https://t.co/inW38co5ks |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:14:29 |
@ShellTerrell Hi Honey. We are in the middle of #ELTchat at the moment |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:15:04 |
@Marisa_C I've craved grammar rules too when I've been taught with newer approaches. But I've resisted as I resist… https://t.co/YQs9Vkd0Jj |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:15:53 |
I got really confused with grammar rules when learning Portuguese from a very rigid teacher #ELTChat |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:16:20 |
So who will define Grammar McNuggets for me? I'm not in the loop,,, #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:16:27 |
@GlenysHanson #eltchat I actually have no evidence or proof of that good or otherwise. I never went beyond beginner… https://t.co/zHc3X4HVaR |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:16:31 |
@SueAnnan @naomishema #ELTChat Grammar mcNuggets are great for kids & low levels #Overload does not lead to mastery or learning |
| khanshahana30 |
2017-11-29T19:16:59 |
Is it started #ELTChat |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:18:06 |
@MConca16 @SueAnnan But what do you mean by this term? What are they? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:19:17 |
#ELTChat https://t.co/nRS34E0CWm |
| bethcagnol |
2017-11-29T19:19:22 |
@SueAnnan I had a grammar-obsessed French teacher in the beginning and it really turned me off. It made me think I… https://t.co/wvC5s2MizR |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:19:47 |
@SueAnnan My teacher was very knowledgeable and did in fact use non explicit grammar teaching - it was ME who asked for it #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:20:21 |
@bethcagnol Yes. It sucks the will to live after a bit #ELTChat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:20:41 |
@naomishema @SueAnnan #ELTchat @Marisa_C will surely explain.The way I understand it is teaching chunks of grammar… https://t.co/zE09R6AsRV |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:20:59 |
@naomishema #ELTChat https://t.co/NTXzI3Cq98 |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:21:29 |
@Marisa_C I don't think it's possible to have "proof" that one approach is better than another. But the modern appr… https://t.co/yvZryeMQPq |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:21:38 |
@bethcagnol @SueAnnan Yikes!!! Hey Bethany - great to see you! #eltchat Mine was lovely - we had a short stint with… https://t.co/2WTjoBkgRw |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:22:07 |
@MConca16 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Thank you! #ELTChat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:22:19 |
I must prefer functional lessons, where the sts can use the language outside the classroom #ELTchat |
| ELTResearch |
2017-11-29T19:22:24 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson #ELTchat Some rules are quite helpful when you have time to think before you produce the la… https://t.co/vuuNpwLOeF |
| bethcagnol |
2017-11-29T19:23:06 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Lucky you!! And great to be back. Currently sitting in the kitchen making a pregnancy craving:… https://t.co/Jtn4WYrcmQ |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:23:08 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C That's what I try to provide for my students. The chance to work it out #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:23:23 |
@GlenysHanson And proof not in fact needed - different learners need different things - I believe we need to be fle… https://t.co/wCGbuisjOW |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:24:01 |
I believe learning styles come into play. Some students feel insecure without rules, others r happy 2 go with "learnign by doing" #ELTChat |
| khanshahana30 |
2017-11-29T19:24:26 |
#ELTChat So how much grammar and criteria a T can use when deciding to teach St. |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:24:28 |
@ELTResearch @GlenysHanson Very true - and some are not worth the time spent discovering them! #ELTChat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:24:53 |
@SueAnnan #ELTChat agreed.That's what grammar is for.Use it to communicate |
| bethcagnol |
2017-11-29T19:26:04 |
Have any of you found it particularly challenging to approach grammar with sts who aren't even familiar with the co… https://t.co/LiajILazzq |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:26:07 |
Both explicit and implicit teaching have in fact been found to work - so I don't agree with any dogmatic views either direction #ELTChat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:26:12 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson #ELTChat I tend to use at least three different ways to teach Grammar depending on age,level,needs |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:27:03 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C Me too - but it's not always easy for the T to realise they have to do to help Ss to do the wor… https://t.co/eLnUOWedm5 |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:27:16 |
It really is a case of horses for courses. Many of my Cert trainees have more difficulty than my students :-( #ELTchat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:27:28 |
@naomishema #ELTChat Adults tend to be analytical.Teachers might have to cater for those learners somehow |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:27:57 |
@bethcagnol YES!! With deaf students I work a lot on N. V. Adj because it is the base for so much, even using the dictionary! #eltchat |
| bethcagnol |
2017-11-29T19:29:38 |
@naomishema That's interesting! I had my first deaf student this year. Any tips with this subject would be helpful. #eltchat |
| ELTResearch |
2017-11-29T19:30:25 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson Agreed- some language is poorly described at time eg convenient but incorrect 'rules' for s… https://t.co/UE2nLez5rK |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:31:09 |
@SueAnnan Goodness yes #ELTChat explicitly teaching grammar rule is hard for teachers NEsT & NNEst alike.Reason why… https://t.co/TLoUzlcwTM |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:31:29 |
What kind of grammar do you get asked for the most? #ELTchat for me the sts, especially the Germans, want to know how the tenses work. |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:32:57 |
@ELTResearch @Marisa_C The rules are particularly helpful if you've worked them out for yourself. In my Arabic cour… https://t.co/ZHq1I9svBc |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T19:33:14 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C I think rules can help, when the student is ready. In Spanish I'd been choosing my verb end… https://t.co/AaOXl6PYw0 |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:34:27 |
Some students want language to be like math - give me the formulas and I'll be safe... #ELTChat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:34:44 |
@bethcagnol @naomishema #ELTChat I have a deaf student too at uni level She reads my lips Tend to provide written h… https://t.co/rHmZtcsicb |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:35:00 |
@naomishema Unfortunately, English doesn't fit nicely into boxes #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:35:56 |
#ELTchat May I crowdsource a bit for my talk then - which is on the same subject. Do you follow an exclusive appro… https://t.co/JrBEV1irkT |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:37:05 |
For Q about Deaf sudents C my Q/A blog. If you have a Q feel free to ask and I'll answer on the blog https://t.co/khtVo6M0cC#ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:37:07 |
@Marisa_C Also different researchers mean different things by "explicit" and "implicit". #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:37:47 |
@SueAnnan @naomishema Which language does actually ? #eltchat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:38:21 |
@SueAnnan @naomishema #ELTChat very true.Showing when & how we use forms in context is more effective |
| naomishema |
2017-11-29T19:39:21 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Hebrew is more rule based, less irregular options. And way more phonetic... #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:40:08 |
@Marisa_C @naomishema They do say English is 84% rules, but the exceptions can be a nightmare if your language is more logical #ELtchat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:40:11 |
@MoreMsJackson @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C #ELTChat Recognizing patterns is nearly at the end of the acquisition process - I agree |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:42:00 |
@MConca16 @MoreMsJackson @GlenysHanson I am not sure that this conscious knowledge is necessary to be honest - may… https://t.co/5zQMC0ub5q |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:42:53 |
@Marisa_C @MConca16 @MoreMsJackson @GlenysHanson Yes. More useful to be able to use the language than to analyse it in many cases, #ELTChat |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:42:56 |
@SueAnnan @naomishema Actually I did quite a lot of getting students to sort elements into boxes- boxes drawn on the board. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:43:49 |
I passed my CPE Cambridge old style with an A at the age of 18 - I don't think I knew the rules all that well - I H… https://t.co/IUgJ5bLiZa |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:44:57 |
MY French CPE student said that he used his 'gut' when choosing answers. #ELTChat It seemed to work |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T19:45:15 |
@Marisa_C @MConca16 @GlenysHanson Mirroring L1 acquisition. My gut feeling, though, is that this takes a lot of tim… https://t.co/kmaBwjxIrm |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:45:34 |
@SueAnnan I believe him so did i ! #eltchat was clueless as to rules |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:46:30 |
@Marisa_C But, like him, I'm sure you had good communication fluency #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:46:46 |
@MoreMsJackson @MConca16 @GlenysHanson Absolutely! I think I was an 'immersed' learner already - most of our learne… https://t.co/J6ZJNTLZoD |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T19:47:23 |
@SueAnnan Again, like L1. It takes time and exposure to develop this though. Is there anything we can do as teacher… https://t.co/GYJSweTt9R |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:47:54 |
@SueAnnan I did - I do also have a good musical ear and I think that was helpful as well #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:48:24 |
@MoreMsJackson LOts of language. Speaking, reading, listening to things you like#ELTChat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:49:19 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan #ELTChat maybe maximizing exposure as you say and provide opportunities to use the grammar… https://t.co/mGUjGbP8mP |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:49:24 |
You don't get good at anything unless you get involved in doing things with it - right? #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T19:50:51 |
@SueAnnan Sounds great but something many of the adult students I've taught will never bother to do... #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:51:34 |
I was thinking about this 'narrow reading and listening' hypothesis the @skrashen promotes - am thinking that even… https://t.co/dNae0QYvd8 |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:51:41 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan I'd say making everything Ss say "real" in the sense that they are expressing what they f… https://t.co/zUdV3pFFpK |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T19:54:26 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan Very late in my career I relaised that I had to force Ss to do the nec extensive reading a… https://t.co/Pdqzd5AQtX |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:55:04 |
@MoreMsJackson Yes. Im in the lucky position of being in a NS country. My students are surrounded by reasons to use English #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:55:13 |
@MoreMsJackson @MConca16 @GlenysHanson Some staunch anti grammar ppl would say no - but the massive input when acqu… https://t.co/EUCJN33sCg |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:56:56 |
@GlenysHanson @MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan Which raises a different topic related to autonomy and how forced it may hav… https://t.co/Wc53jK39IK |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T19:57:10 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan I'm realising this not-so-late in my career. :) Hopefully, if it can be shown to be enjoyab… https://t.co/FesbafaBdZ |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T19:58:02 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson @SueAnnan Or call it "prolonged learner training" #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T19:58:07 |
Me too #eltchat was lucky to see that sooner rather than later https://t.co/WSCCntBc8I |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:58:38 |
@MoreMsJackson @GlenysHanson We have so many chances these days- Youtube, Ted talks etc. Watch/Listen then discuss.… https://t.co/hkK7C8yF0t |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T19:58:45 |
@Marisa_C @MoreMsJackson @GlenysHanson #ELTchat many would also suggest immersion in the L2 country but not always… https://t.co/Zi99nkufNb |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T19:59:25 |
Would someone like to write the summary of this #ELTchat, please? |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:00:17 |
@MConca16 @MoreMsJackson @GlenysHanson true not always possible - MOSTLy not possible #eltchat but as @SueAnnan say… https://t.co/XDzCl7QT23 |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T20:01:16 |
I was gonna ask something about a lexical approach to grammar, but the hour's already up... #ELTchat |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-29T20:01:22 |
@Marisa_C @MoreMsJackson @GlenysHanson @SueAnnan #ELTChat #EdTech has open up a whole new world of opportunities I agree |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:01:33 |
thank you to those who responded to my poll - most responses indicated use of a combination of approaches #eltchat - Thanks! |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T20:02:17 |
Keep chatting as we move into slow burn mode for 24 hours- If anyone feels the urge to write the summary, I would be grateful #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:02:30 |
@MoreMsJackson You can still ask the question - the #slowburn part of #eltchat continues |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:03:16 |
Any takers for the summary please/ #eltchat we will give you a badge for your blog too! https://t.co/hBfXCymsuj |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T20:04:14 |
what a good #eltchat and thanks to all who participated. Same time next week? #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2017-11-29T20:04:27 |
Bye folks until next week. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:04:28 |
@naomishema I know! Then they forget all those dozens of sentences and the language that was in them as well! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-11-29T20:05:13 |
NIght all #ELTchat Speak soon Marisa Mou |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:05:30 |
@bethcagnol With young learners and adult Sts with low literacy #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T20:06:22 |
@Marisa_C Great, gives me time to find the article I was reading so I can ask a better question #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:07:05 |
@naomishema Bite sized rules of grammar - chopped up very small :-) #eltchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T20:16:49 |
#ELTchat late question. Lexical approach to grammar - learning commonly-occurring chunks for each structure, common… https://t.co/nRUSkxU03I |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:17:09 |
Cheers everyone - #ELTchat on learning grammar vs teaching grammar continues in #slowburn more - so keep adding you… https://t.co/r2m8gw9gXt |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:18:15 |
@MoreMsJackson Might - but too many phrases to use this approach exclusively, methinks. My own two cents. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-29T20:18:52 |
@MoreMsJackson What's the article? Pls share #ELTChat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-11-29T20:21:57 |
@Marisa_C I like the example in this one. Has me thinking about grammaticalised lexis. https://t.co/vnF7u26i5G #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-11-30T09:24:14 |
@B_T_Mc I think articles on memory and value of revision after so many hours so many days would help - have sth wil… https://t.co/XLEhlYcjSA |
| MConca16 |
2017-11-30T13:42:41 |
#ELTchat reading leads to better vocabularies.I believe it also makes our. Grammaries better @GlenysHanson… https://t.co/iuoTKmA6ab |
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