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Literacy issues with YLs and Adults

Page history last edited by sue annan 6 years, 8 months ago
SueAnnan 2017-09-13T17:51:19 #ELTchat hello all. Who's around for tonight's offering of teacher development?
ELTchat 2017-09-13T17:52:20 In about 10 minutes join us for the 1st #ELTchat on developing literacy in L2 learners
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T17:56:24 @SueAnnan Hi Sue, I'm here. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-09-13T17:56:51 @GlenysHanson Hi Glenys. I think we're early tonight #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-09-13T17:57:54 @sanchiadanielle @GlenysHanson Hi. Don't forget to use the hashtag so we can see your tweets, please #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T17:58:20 #eltchat - do have a look at a previous chat summary - done a while ago https://t.co/V8fDxi9nAZ
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T17:58:22 @SueAnnan @GlenysHanson Oops! :D #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T17:59:14 A reminder to all - round about this day of September!!! #ELTchat https://t.co/phCeDlC2Up
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:02:19 @sanchiadanielle @SueAnnan @GlenysHanson Hello and welcome to  #Eltchat  - anyone else joining us tonight to talk about literacy?
SueAnnan 2017-09-13T18:03:06 Hi Marisa Mou #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:03:13 @Marisa_C @sanchiadanielle @SueAnnan @GlenysHanson Hello. I'm here. #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T18:04:02 nice to see you here again, Sanchia. #ELTchat https://t.co/pGXjL7UK04
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:04:34 @KateLloyd05 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan @GlenysHanson Ugh, sorry. Hi Kate! #ELTchat :D
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:04:56 @Marisa_C @sanchiadanielle @SueAnnan @GlenysHanson Hi! #eltchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:05:11 @GlenysHanson Nice to have such a warm welcome back :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:05:18 Are you interested in talking about young(er) learners or adults as well? #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:06:12 @Marisa_C Both ideally #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:06:19 @sanchiadanielle @GlenysHanson Nice post Sanchia - I loved the bit abt how yr mum having more followers upset you!!! :-D #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-09-13T18:06:22 literacy affects everyone ##ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:07:43 We haven't had low literacy adults here for quite a while, but the new wave of immigrants from war zones will sure bring them back #Eltchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:07:54 @Marisa_C @GlenysHanson Hahahaha thanks Marisa! Sad, but true  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:08:32 We first experienced the need to some work with adults with low literacy in own language too #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:08:57 @Marisa_C Do you mean literacy in the L1 as well, or just in English? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-09-13T18:09:16 Yes I have the same with my Madeiran sts. many didn't go to school #ELTchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:09:22 @Marisa_C It's just YLs in my context but happy to sit in on the discussion about adults too :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:10:50 @KateLloyd05 Well, the term 'literacy' is used widely for many diff things, L1, L2, digital, visual, etc. What shal… https://t.co/AB4APV4MM4
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:11:40 @sanchiadanielle Whatever we mention abt adult is often sourced from YL work - very little done FOR adults that is new #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:11:57 @Marisa_C Probably a good idea to define the term we are talking about today #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:12:48 Hello all - terrible connection but made it #ELTchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:13:40 @angelos_bollas Hi Angelos! Glad you made it #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:13:44 @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Quite ironic tho that most materials are for YLs and most training courses for adults #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:13:55 So shall we begin with YLs and say how some of the processes accelerated with adults? #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T18:14:38 @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 In French they use two different words: illettré  and analphabète. #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:14:56 @angelos_bollas Hello #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-09-13T18:15:47 Going to love you and leave you. Will do the transcript on my return. Mwah. Have a great #ELTChat everyone
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:16:18 @GlenysHanson @KateLloyd05 the second word being Greek (as we learn in my big fat Greek wedding all words come from Greek :-D ) #ELTchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:18:03 @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Do they have two different meanings Glenys? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:18:26 I just checked our old summary and a lot of the resources links have died I'm afraid #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:21:15 @Marisa_C That's a pity.. but a good assignment for us ;) to find new ones :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:21:37 Am looking for some new ones #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:23:51 I think much hs to do with the teacher's attitude. Some Ts are unaware of literacy issues and treat SS as if they don't care #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:24:05 There are two useful sites - one for ESOL https://t.co/hXKpvYbL5e  #ELtchat and the skillwise site  https://t.co/orgTbT1myj
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:25:13 With children we would need lots of recognition and using flashcards and shapes - and lots of motor skill practise,  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:26:07 even before they begin to write , they have done lots of oral work and then begin to do tracing, coloring in, drawing #eltchat do u do this?
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:26:17 @angelos_bollas Also more ways to hide illiteracy in the modern day. Literacy issues may not be so obv or Ts may no… https://t.co/QMbOPokZ0R
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T18:26:23 @sanchiadanielle @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Yes. V glad not to have together: speakers of the lang who went to school b… https://t.co/8dSqC4EFNW
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:27:10 I think it IS a confusing time, eg. sm ppl say why do handwriting when we have mobile phones now #eltchat What do u think?
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:27:10 @Marisa_C Yes. Lots of letter and then word tracing, and always the spoken form (recognised and produced) before written #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:27:17 @Marisa_C Yes we have a level just for this in our school. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:28:16 For YL;s it makes perfect sense but for AL's perhaps an extra hr or 2 in the week - mixed ability grps the reason… https://t.co/K6NqVYiCLi
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:28:24 @Marisa_C I haven't taught so YLs lately but I have observed classes where they don't do that. Ts not confident wit… https://t.co/ELfOdDFuB3
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:29:00 @angelos_bollas What do u mean - they start kids with reading and writing straight away? #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:29:21 @Marisa_C Our ALs only come to school for 3-4 hours per week as it is....#eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:30:04 @Marisa_C This summer I had a 20-year old student who told me "I have never used pen and paper and don't know how to do that" #eltchat
SunflowerDuck 2017-09-13T18:30:13 #ELTChat #eshopsuk #Poppins100 Fabric Pouch Lined w/ Waterproof FoodSafe PUL #Eco #Reuse #zerodechet https://t.co/sqnt1exzOm
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:30:28 @Marisa_C Doesn't mean they'll never have to write by hand tho #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:30:42 @KateLloyd05 Our own Ts used to ask them to come in 30 mins earlier for motor skills practice #eltchat - one or two… https://t.co/WtGj8ABTNv
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:31:06 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Wow. Where was that? #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:31:06 @Marisa_C Unfortunately! Focusing on spelling and memorisation of form :-( #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:31:41 @KateLloyd05 @Marisa_C University in the UK. This was an MA student from Japan #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2017-09-13T18:31:56 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C I had an older Somalia student who'd not learned how to use a pen/pencil before. #ELTchat… https://t.co/yYwJipqiPd
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:32:21 @angelos_bollas @KateLloyd05 inevitably it will happen - not sure how far into the future #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:32:37 @Marisa_C Interesting idea but our teachers are already teaching then! #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:32:45 @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 I think I like that #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T18:33:12 @sanchiadanielle @Marisa_C Yes, very important for Ss to understand spoken language before they R&R. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:33:12 @tesolmatthew @angelos_bollas Hey welcome Mr Noble - middle of the night for you!! #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2017-09-13T18:33:21 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C *Somali #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:34:38 @KateLloyd05 I know! V difficult to handle!!! You could rope in some more advanced Ss - peer teaching research sugg… https://t.co/2hPQEHgxA6
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:34:41 @Marisa_C @tesolmatthew @angelos_bollas Are you already in Thailand Matthew? #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2017-09-13T18:35:00 @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Nope 11:30am! *am* tired though, was shouting along most of the lyrics at the rare (4me,… https://t.co/S36jQpoBHR
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:35:36 @Marisa_C I think this all works better in intensive programmes that an after uni/work class #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2017-09-13T18:38:30 @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas @KateLloyd05 so true, and it's okay. don't fight it #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:38:42 @KateLloyd05 It is an admin decision for sure but can be done if planned carefully #ELTchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:40:37 @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 I wonder if a self-study course for literacy has ever been created? An audio-guided online thing perhaps? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:40:38 These pages for kids have useful activities #eltchat chttp://learnenglishkids.britishcouncil.org/en/read-write
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:41:42 @sanchiadanielle @KateLloyd05 Not sure if done for English but have seen and used one for Modern Greek for adults  #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2017-09-13T18:42:32 I'm off for a doctor's appt. was lovely to just drop-in! see y'all next time for sure :) #ELTchat https://t.co/0GPBIBhMv5
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:43:31 @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Did they like/use it? Did it work? #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T18:44:44 @sanchiadanielle @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Wow! It'd be a huge amount of work to create one... but very interesting. I… https://t.co/gUddGsGbd5
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:44:45 RT @Marisa_C: These pages for kids have useful activities #eltchat chttp://learnenglishkids.britishcouncil.org/en/read-write
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:44:59 @sanchiadanielle @KateLloyd05 Not sure - but not extensive - limited to a short unit on the greek alphabet #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2017-09-13T18:45:58 @sanchiadanielle @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 How would they be able to access it? #eltchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:46:20 @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 I bet I know a few people who'd be interested in a project like this. Might ha… https://t.co/ZSAPiD4V9A
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:47:03 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 In my head it's a Moodle or MOOC-type platform. Assuming access to the internet, of course #ELTchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:48:11 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Did you mean access in terms of understand/use or in terms of tech/equipment? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:48:22 I still have some of the very old Oxford Workbooks?activity books for YL;s they were marvellous!!! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:49:20 there's loads of  fun ideas for worksheets on the web e.g. here https://t.co/6N6TV70h9h #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:50:33 Have a look at this introductory chapter here - free online https://t.co/QlNx7XXAie #ELtchat
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T18:52:14 @Marisa_C @sanchiadanielle @KateLloyd05 Working on my own, I found it quite easy to learn to read and write the Ara… https://t.co/0mLtHNFj0B
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:52:30 @Marisa_C @GlenysHanson @KateLloyd05 Wonder if it would be possible to create one that does not assume L1 literacy.… https://t.co/BkFijiaoKK
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:53:17 @sanchiadanielle @GlenysHanson @KateLloyd05 That is why the inspiration comes from YL materials not for native spea… https://t.co/Zribv3qprs
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T18:53:57 @Marisa_C Yep, one of our YL teachers was printing off many similar worksheets for F today #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:55:00 @KateLloyd05 and here https://t.co/xA4vBZwtcY #eltchat (this for L1 pupils) but ideas easy to transfer #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:56:07 I think a school needs to create a bank of materials - a "literacy box' if you like with worksheets FCs games etc - can be online #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:56:46 May be store it all in a free wiki or sth #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T18:57:40 @sanchiadanielle @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Online materials exist but assume the guidance of a teacher. But there is M… https://t.co/1BbQH17M17
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:58:12 @Marisa_C Yes! Last year we started archiving our literacy materials on the school server. Has been a blessing and… https://t.co/At65tVTWql
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T18:58:41 @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Haven't heard about that! I'll check it out after the chat. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T18:58:43 A quick search reveals hundreds of such sites by Ts, schools or districs - an example to emulate https://t.co/gLLU0R4QNc #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T19:00:17 @GlenysHanson @sanchiadanielle @KateLloyd05 So how do u suggest this would work for a language school - a self-defe… https://t.co/bIgplUhynX
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T19:00:55 @sanchiadanielle @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C There was a talk at IATEFL a few years ago and many follow up blog posts #ELTchat
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T19:02:03 @Marisa_C @GlenysHanson @KateLloyd05 Assume it would be picked up by a tech company and marketed to several schools… https://t.co/CJROdv4C1t
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T19:02:35 @KateLloyd05 @sanchiadanielle @GlenysHanson I remember but Mitra was talking abt an overall image of future educati… https://t.co/vXszwxU6uZ
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T19:02:47 @sanchiadanielle @Marisa_C @GlenysHanson Something like Memrise with its memes to remember letters? #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T19:03:19 @Marisa_C @sanchiadanielle @KateLloyd05 LOL! Here's https://t.co/Bru8HtgUby But my own belief is that most students… https://t.co/pW1yj6Udb1
SLBCoop 2017-09-13T19:03:20 Hey #ELTchat good topic tonight! This is really @neil_mcm repping for SLB. 8 years' exp. working with adult ESOL literacies in Scotland
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T19:05:17 Agree - i think he is right in the prediction of a distant future - don't know why Ts got so rattled -  #ELTchat https://t.co/wzsosdpV7B
sanchiadanielle 2017-09-13T19:05:44 @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 Thanks for the link! I'll take a look later. Off for dinner now guys, enjoy th… https://t.co/MCRPPetKlN
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T19:06:18 @GlenysHanson @sanchiadanielle @KateLloyd05 also if that were the case (no Ts needed) no one would be talking to @skrashen :-) #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T19:06:42 @sanchiadanielle @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C Enjoy your dinner #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T19:07:08 I think I shall retire into my antechamber as well - got to get my YL course off the ground soon #ELTchat
SLBCoop 2017-09-13T19:07:55 @sanchiadanielle @Marisa_C If you follow a social practices model of literacies then a good bank is even more indis… https://t.co/RIqnjvBN1H
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T19:08:24 #ELtchat on #slowburn mode is now on and @tesolmatthew will be around for little literacy nudges here and there :-D
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T19:08:27 @Marisa_C Is this the Delta module 3 based one? #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-09-13T19:10:07 @Marisa_C Interesting. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T19:14:05 Happy 7th Birthday #ELTchat!!! It's been 7 great years meeting and learning with hundreds of awesome educators… https://t.co/frjmZeJsp5
Marisa_C 2017-09-13T19:16:21 Here is anotheρ interesting link for adult literacy #eltchat https://t.co/rkqztygaku
digteap 2017-09-13T19:48:33 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Have you seen this? https://t.co/euaUv6Mxis #eltchat
SLBCoop 2017-09-13T20:00:37 @sanchiadanielle @Marisa_C Also bus tickets, menus, receipts, brochures, authentic forms etc. are really valuable resources #ELTchat
TESOLacademic 2017-09-13T20:10:58 RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat is back - here is the playlist for September 2017 https://t.co/tMAIrWz9J2 via @ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2017-09-13T20:20:33 On the rare occasions I taught reading, I used this approach: https://t.co/6TvoE2Aq0f Ss found it great fun despite my hesitations #ELTchat
11thhourspecial 2017-09-13T21:00:19 @angelos_bollas @KateLloyd05 @Marisa_C She must have gone to international school. Japan is still resolutely chalk,… https://t.co/FqaxNLrNj3
JustineTeslplus 2017-09-13T21:47:53 #ELTchat https://t.co/IpDXILJqAa
Marisa_C 2017-09-14T06:45:57 Indeed I have - it was announced to us recently in the Sheffield meeting #ELTchat https://t.co/UaLpvKqFXY
MicaelaCarey 2017-09-14T07:07:36 RT @ELTchat: #ELTchat is back – here is the playlist for September 2017 https://t.co/vnIAxdzkKs https://t.co/86FN6c6cO1

 

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