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| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:07:19 |
@ELTchat *language* needs - missed that off my Q. #ELTchat How well aware are learners at this level of their lang… https://t.co/cAZz0xUzCp |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:05:41 |
Not very, I think. They can communicate fine, pass difficult language exams, etc. So, not easy to see weaknesses… https://t.co/8qjb4x0xD0 |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:05:56 |
I think that the more advanced you are, the more you become aware of how complex the English Language really is - #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:06:17 |
They know what they don/t want, but arent always aware of fossilised errors. IME, many want to 'sound more sophisticated' (?!) #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:06:18 |
@ELTchat Oh I'm here and can't believe I am! Hiya #eltchat family and friends |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:06:50 |
@Hada_ELT @ELTchat Hey. Great to see you #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:07:08 |
@Hada_ELT @ELTchat Bienvenue ma belle!! Ah!!! Long time no see! Lovely to have you back! #eltchat |
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| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:07:24 |
@rapple18 what do you mean? Vocab wise? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:07:25 |
Isn't these people who are mostly involved in business or areas of public speaking and travelling? #eltchat https://t.co/iJH7xrX6Tz |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:07:43 |
@angelos_bollas .. and also more of a case of what specific contexts they need (and forget the rest) .. best for 1:1 #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:08:32 |
@Marisa_C @ELTchat Thank you, so excited I cld actually be here at the same time as you all... in total sync for on… https://t.co/7DTbiVL5Zd |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:08:49 |
What is it that makes someone really advanced or near-native? Quite a bit of research available on this -but agree… https://t.co/fOrbZtWPkC |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:08:52 |
Most of them would be awkward in a class so I agree with @rapple18 #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:08:59 |
Hello #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:09:18 |
@fionaljp Hya! #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:09:31 |
@angelos_bollas I teach a St who has a v mundane desk job and does it fine, but reads in English + wants a much hig… https://t.co/KWKU6Tbzvq |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:09:37 |
@angelos_bollas I remember a #IATEFL2017 talk, J.Field I think, where he spoke of C2 learners who'd just accepted t… https://t.co/ivmLYwkbsa |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:10:16 |
@Marisa_C @MoreMsJackson More aware than lower levels perhaps because they have clearer aims re. studies, work eat #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:10:47 |
Many ppl say a 'feel for the language' Luke Prodromou's research suggests idiomaticity as a key element #eltchat what do you think |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:10:58 |
@rapple18 @angelos_bollas Yes, I think extending lexical range key area for C2 and ext reading ideal #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:11:33 |
@rapple18 My more adv Ss tend to mostly be there for IELTS - rarely for themselves #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:11:48 |
@MoreMsJackson This sounds interesting. i hope they write a follow up to the talk soon #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:11:53 |
I have very advanced students who say they feel like a different person in the other lang. and want to be more themselves! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:11:53 |
You are, correctly, using the word range, but in truth, the average L1 user doesn't use a huge range of words… https://t.co/F6wqAQDJP7 |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:12:10 |
@MoreMsJackson @angelos_bollas maybe they don’t need to #eltchat |
| kenteris |
2017-04-26T18:12:30 |
@MoreMsJackson @angelos_bollas I have a c2+ who can't understand what''s been said in movies #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:12:34 |
@MoreMsJackson @angelos_bollas wow.. that's something #eltchat The more you know, the less you know! (Love John Field's stuff!) |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:12:42 |
@SueAnnan That's inevitable to happen, isn't it? L2 self is always different to L1 self #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:12:42 |
@rapple18 @angelos_bollas That's interesting. I don't remember ever getting one of those #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:13:08 |
@kenteris @MoreMsJackson @angelos_bollas As a Native, I can't always understand either #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:13:34 |
@fionaljp @angelos_bollas ... but sadly doesnt translate into a more sophisticated and fluent level of spoken Eng!… https://t.co/dpYqIGJ3nD |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:13:46 |
Yes, but if they feel inhibited by the language it is not so good #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:14:10 |
@kenteris @MoreMsJackson @angelos_bollas Is that C2 student then ok for exams but wrongly placed for real life comm… https://t.co/PJxDYzgCys |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:14:12 |
Going back to the first question of tonight, do you feel that the most difficult part is to make them aware of their needs? #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:14:12 |
@SueAnnan love this idea.. keeps coming up on social media :) #eltchat - 2 languages / 2 personae |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:14:48 |
@rapple18 I've come across it a few times #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:14:58 |
Those who learn in an English speaking context often have that 'feel' factor I think. Rarely exp'd by those who lea… https://t.co/UQgZV1qael |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:14:58 |
@SueAnnan oh, I see. So, they feel that to be themselves then need better level/knowledge of L2. Interesting #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:15:33 |
Yes ... a friend of mine passed Cambs Prof with an A but is oh-so Hungarian in many ways (language, not pron) .. in… https://t.co/CldUrzhMAa |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:15:48 |
@Marisa_C True, should have qualified if need expressed but @rapple18 ’s st expressed need/want #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:15:56 |
@SueAnnan @kenteris @angelos_bollas Fair point. Had that in a shop in Liverpool last summer where I couldn't even g… https://t.co/V28fcMkj9F |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:16:09 |
@angelos_bollas or more comfort with things like phrasal verbs and idioms- which I would dispute, but-hey-ho#eltchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:16:32 |
@Marisa_C @kenteris @angelos_bollas Depends who they intended to communicate with? ELF comes to mind. #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:16:42 |
Me too.. Do you ever try that 'find ur voice in the L2' exercise - stand against the wall and listen to urself n co… https://t.co/jSwydqJ8KK |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:16:45 |
#eltchat True... films R really tough, but I sometimes put subs on for US or Scottish films (the excuse is that th… https://t.co/8icmXLQpE8 |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:17:37 |
@rapple18 LOL, I need it for at least the first 10 mins of any US film #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:17:42 |
@rapple18 That's interesting.. A in CPE would translate in near-native use of L2, one would expect #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:17:45 |
So - which more important - C2 comprehension abitliies first or C2 productively? #ELTchat because different answer for diff needs i think |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:18:20 |
@kenteris @angelos_bollas Yes, that. I think Richard Cauldwell is the name to look into for that. Very interesting… https://t.co/vL9s2COqQF |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:18:29 |
Don't think so - have taught translation skills and that a completely diff ballgame #eltchat https://t.co/Yfl461ATeZ |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:19:00 |
likewise.. I spend hrs on idioms etc with this partic. st, - but she doesnt use them. .. + sounds odd if she does (… https://t.co/lM80rFFhCu |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:19:30 |
@Hada_ELT ?! dont know this.. sounds bizarre (but interesting!) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:19:41 |
Most courses do well prepping C2 Ss 4 grammar and vocab but little work on functional awareness/intuitions and social skills in L2 #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:20:23 |
Probably better than most L1s but not in the way it feels #eltchat There is something not quite kosher about their Context of situation |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:20:52 |
@angelos_bollas I have adv class at moment and am negotiating weekly plan. They aren’t aware of needs but am focusi… https://t.co/7woBmQihbr |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:21:03 |
but is it tested / assessed? CPE is so lang. orientated... not really real-world communication ... (gripe!) #eltchat https://t.co/4fKAMX41QG |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:21:07 |
@rapple18 I'd read abt it and tried it a few times; it enables the ss to let go of inhibitions n truly find their v… https://t.co/K4OrrycRlK |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:21:08 |
No saying it's easy to do this with all the linguistic diversity around but Ss have to begin somewhere #eltchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:21:31 |
@angelos_bollas @sandymillin has mentioned it in her Listening & Pron round-up https://t.co/FYNaqSwgEu #ELTchat #IATEFL2017 |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:21:49 |
@rapple18 true - see my earlier comment - ok for C2 exams but not for C2 life! #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:21:50 |
@Hada_ELT so they really do stand against the wall... etc ?! #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:22:04 |
@SueAnnan @rapple18 I can attest to that! Weirdly enough.. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:23:03 |
@Marisa_C that's exactly what I meant! good #washback ?? hmph #eltchat |
| kenteris |
2017-04-26T18:23:15 |
@Marisa_C Vocabulary you can produce is one of the most difficult parts to master... Moving away from that intial s… https://t.co/bwPmfv2MdT |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:23:28 |
I have B2 sts who function better than some more advanced sts #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:24:02 |
They also need masses and masses of vocabulary acquisition work receptive and productive! Often lack proper words 4 what they need #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:24:31 |
@rapple18 Yep! Literally... I wouldn't do it with every group but with some group it's proved interesting (and useful it seemed) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:24:38 |
@kenteris @Marisa_C and doing it with a degree of automaticity #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:25:11 |
@Hada_ELT Thanks, @Hada_ELT - I'll have to have a go! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:25:24 |
Yes, without too much struggle #eltchat https://t.co/nryXPebta7 |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:25:24 |
Hi #ELTchat is it ok if I join in? Sorry I'm late. |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:25:24 |
It happens to me a lot! And I am sure it happens to many C2+ learners #eltchat https://t.co/uGEPgCcva0 |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:25:40 |
@digteap @angelos_bollas It depends on the context #eltchat Better to recognise them and not stress |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:26:01 |
@kamilaofprague of course you are very welcome to join in - jump right in! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:26:10 |
@kamilaofprague great to have you here #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:26:34 |
@rapple18 Let me know how it goes - that'd be interesting. My classes are all women and mostly all Arab - I'm in Sa… https://t.co/Keg2D9AJgy |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:28:32 |
I had a high level student who was very literal. It caused no end of amusement to other sts #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:28:35 |
With writing skills I find a process approach works really well wth my adv Ss. We write up to 4 drafts n keep refining their txt #eltchat |
| kenteris |
2017-04-26T18:28:50 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C yes, but they need help getting them organised on how they learn autonomously e.g. had to bring… https://t.co/JXY0WgheNl |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:29:34 |
@kenteris @Marisa_C I wasn't thinking for learning- more for production #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:29:35 |
so where R we at, + where ! we going? (for @kamilaofprague 's benefit [+ mine] ! #eltchat Vocab, idioms, awareness, C2 exams vs C1 life.. |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:29:38 |
@rapple18 Never tried with 1-2-1! I do mine with groups of up to 18 ss.. #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:29:45 |
I’m using a lot of authentic material for C1 class #ELTchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:29:56 |
@fionaljp @angelos_bollas I have 2-1 adv.class and we work similarly. There's a shift from spkng to writing and adv… https://t.co/deG8ZJSCKD |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:30:17 |
@kamilaofprague Hi Kamila #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:30:25 |
Yes I like that too ... and one:one it works very well.. they get v engaged and focused. #eltchat https://t.co/Syt7N1bCcx |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:30:41 |
@fionaljp I think it stretches them best too #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:30:46 |
@Hada_ELT Hi Hada! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:30:56 |
Good to see some ideas coming in re best practices and texhniques colleagues finding useful #eltchat for me extensive reading was key |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:31:06 |
RT @Marisa_C: So - which more important - C2 comprehension abitliies first or C2 productively? #ELTchat because different answer for diff n… |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:31:47 |
Absolutely ... I dont use much else, tho do dip into to Adv level grammar / vocab resource book. #eltchat https://t.co/hXSv4W7Xcj |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:32:27 |
@SueAnnan @fionaljp I'd like to find something authentic on managing discussions, persuasion techniques etc. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:32:31 |
I like finding lexis in text, then developing collocations and word building with new vocab #eltchat then finding occasions to use |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:32:45 |
How can you organise such programmes to encourage 'compelling reading & listening' as @skrashen suggests for adv acquisition #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:32:48 |
@SueAnnan @digteap @angelos_bollas I find phrasal verbs help the sound more natural. The alternative is often more… https://t.co/yhTY4VxHOq |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:33:28 |
@SueAnnan Yes, challenging and motivating within area of interests #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:33:29 |
Lots of authentic R + Lg from e.g. BBC, Guardian, NY Times, + I smtms provide Qs + related vocab activities. Audio stuff + gapfills #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:33:32 |
@Hada_ELT @digteap @angelos_bollas it really depends on whats appropriate to the situation #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:33:53 |
I also notice adv.Ss welcome NNEST - as someone who can share their knowledge having taken the same path. #ELTchat |
| kenteris |
2017-04-26T18:34:08 |
@SueAnnan Do you bring out a Corpora in yr lessons? Would you use the word 'Concordance' to show examples of collocations? #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:34:14 |
RT @Marisa_C: You are, correctly, using the word range, but in truth, the average L1 user doesn't use a huge range of words #eltchat https:… |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:34:30 |
@Marisa_C @skrashen I find it very hard. I imagine very adv SS are no longer our SS. They have finished with C2 exa… https://t.co/zlE6wz6g5x |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:34:30 |
@kenteris I have done. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:34:48 |
I find sts here (in HU) are really interested in reading about local in the int'l press (plenty of that at the mo'!… https://t.co/iMMFRKNHZO |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:34:57 |
@fionaljp @SueAnnan Definitely. We take turns bringing in interesting articles etc. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:35:03 |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @skrashen Yes, Just for brushing up their lang #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:35:04 |
@Marisa_C @skrashen that focus mainly on speaking. Difficult to 'convince' them to focus on reading, I think 2/2 #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:36:05 |
I no longer teach C2 Ss but when i did i used bad words like 'collocation samplers' - yes - Ss got it and understo… https://t.co/YNYSftYw1J |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:36:08 |
RT @Marisa_C: Good to see some ideas coming in re best practices and texhniques colleagues finding useful #eltchat for me extensive reading… |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:36:11 |
I have, + they're interested there + then, - but no further (to techy.. re meta lang + research) but no harm done.… https://t.co/SSd9UyP5eF |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:36:44 |
@Hada_ELT @SueAnnan @digteap @angelos_bollas @ELTchat I've had both types so depends on their needs #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:36:47 |
I do teach C2 Teachers NNES's and there is no problem with metalanguage in those cases #eltchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:37:21 |
@Marisa_C And I'd say L1 users also can have a gap between vocab they understand & can use. And words we semi-know. #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:37:21 |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @skrashen I agree Angelos. That's where they struggle most where I am #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:37:41 |
I think training them to recognise and manipulate register is paramount #eltchat https://t.co/jgXgDFmncI |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:38:15 |
@MoreMsJackson Absolutely - get Ss to argue abt words in their L1's to prove the point - I often do that #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:38:27 |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @skrashen Not sure you can convince, although maybe they read something in L1 - not neces… https://t.co/c3Z6iRSrxd |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:38:27 |
@Marisa_C They understand it, but dont see mileage to be gained in their efforts, so I copy paste extracts of word… https://t.co/K8abcAobyX |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:38:53 |
@SueAnnan Totally agree and that takes so much practice and prep as I find there's not much avail out there..or is there? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:39:39 |
@Hada_ELT teach as you go along. Every new word+register, use, colloc #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:39:59 |
What about materials? Are there enough coursebooks - if any -. for C2+ learners? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:39:59 |
I will confess tho my highest achievers were in grps where i also taught literary texts - the 'set book' with own mats - #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:40:39 |
@Marisa_C It's like teaching local doctors or engineers, they have a perfect grasped of their own jargon but strugg… https://t.co/dIAP5mZG92 |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:40:49 |
This was more popular in the past (and my favourite bit of the lesson) but I see less and less of it these days :(… https://t.co/8r2nOEOuC9 |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:40:55 |
a case of finding authentic listening stuff - so hard! Any' got good sources for auth. discussions? podcasts, yout… https://t.co/VrPqEPqjTT |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T18:41:04 |
@MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C Yes. I certainly have a gap between words I can read and understand and those I can spell with confidence #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:41:15 |
@angelos_bollas I find it easier to not use a couresbook at this level. Authentic mat, after negotiation on interests #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:41:16 |
some element of literary appreciation is also part of very advanced L2 levels - no? #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:41:48 |
nice one ... ha! for me, only for dipping into. Lots of good resources, tho (grammar, vocab). Modular CBs are OK ..… https://t.co/fa7EsAS2W9 |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:41:53 |
@SueAnnan yes - also produce texts, dialogues with odd/awkward phrases or wrong register and ask them to correct #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:41:54 |
@angelos_bollas I don't know of any. Maybe the Keynote series has something. Some for CPE. And EAP. #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:42:08 |
@angelos_bollas authentic material / Keynote looks good around Ted Talks - but not used #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:42:11 |
@SueAnnan Same here. Not all Ts work CB-independently, though #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T18:42:32 |
@MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C Under semi know, would you include ones you have to think about (eg I know diff between in… https://t.co/UYjUGCIqyE |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:42:37 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas Same here except for the exam classes. #ELTchat |
| kenteris |
2017-04-26T18:42:40 |
@patrickelt @MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C same here.. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:42:57 |
@fionaljp @angelos_bollas We had the rep over on Monday. Some good stuff, but quite businessy focussed #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:42:59 |
@kamilaofprague But CPE and Keynote are C2, not C2+ , right? #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:43:15 |
@rapple18 @Marisa_C I do that too! I listen to them for 10 mins or so, collect samples and use them in an activity.… https://t.co/jms9onAZXv |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:43:16 |
Same for any high level speaker (well, me!): praps we just need to focus on real areas of needs, + be more specific… https://t.co/AQAV5KetHt |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:43:32 |
@patrickelt @MoreMsJackson probably - i also have words i half know bcz no knowledge of concepts or field (e,g in law) #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:43:43 |
@angelos_bollas Yes, I think you're right. #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:44:06 |
@frannieclare add #ELTchat ! and join in ::)) need your support! |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:44:30 |
@rapple18 For ready made stuff, when not much time to plan, I always go back to PIE been subscribing to their site… https://t.co/VqweEC2OCr |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T18:44:35 |
@rapple18 Maybe but is the principle not similar? Will learn if necessary and if not remains semi part of knowledge #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:44:43 |
@angelos_bollas Could use the day's newspapers?#ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:44:57 |
Absoultely ! #eltchat https://t.co/PWNz45X40S |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:45:00 |
I know many L1 English users who would not pass a C2 level exam - e,g, my sister-in-law #eltchat so why are exams so demanding? |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:45:46 |
For listening, the NGL blog has some great stuff for teachers#ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:45:55 |
it looks as if they are assessing the Ss; educational level rather than ability to communicate appropriately #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:46:02 |
@angelos_bollas @kamilaofprague Don’t know about C2+ #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T18:46:02 |
@Marisa_C @MoreMsJackson Yes or words you think you know but not in all contexts (diff between criminal and contract law) #eltchat |
| frannieclare |
2017-04-26T18:46:07 |
I find advanced ss really enjoy/benefit from work on upgrading own lang #eltchat |
| digteap |
2017-04-26T18:46:21 |
@kenteris @SueAnnan @kenteris @SueAnnan i show them corpora & https://t.co/9lBFHcTrru self-study/checking tool2use w/ dictionary #ELTchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:46:24 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas Or a fiction book instead of a CB. I do that to give courses more structure. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:46:29 |
@SueAnnan Headlines on UK newspapers? I'd love that. Sometimes, I don't understand them- well, I miss the context, too #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:46:30 |
Does anyone use poetry or classical texts? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:46:37 |
@patrickelt @MoreMsJackson indeed! #eltchat or engineering etc |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:46:49 |
only just come across PIE this week. .. loadsa stuff! Will check again ! #eltchat Thx! https://t.co/LmkTnR5Jb3 |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:47:39 |
@angelos_bollas look on https://t.co/E2l6kdXwyM for the daily headlines #eltchat They could then make up/ write the… https://t.co/6OIDEgbp2N |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:47:43 |
@Marisa_C I failed the Greek C2 exam when I tried to see how this test looks like.. :-/ #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:47:56 |
@Hada_ELT Sadly, no one has been interested so far. They all want EU regulations nad businessy stuff. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:47:56 |
Inductive vs. deductive! Haha why is it that these two just can't stick! They just don't make sense that way round… https://t.co/EYPLHprQiW |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T18:48:09 |
@Marisa_C @MoreMsJackson Yes did learn words like crankshaft or tensile and now understand but got to 50-ish without doing so #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:48:09 |
@angelos_bollas lol!!!! :-D #Eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:48:13 |
@patrickelt True. Case of finding out what sts really need + want to learn, + highlighting the importance of gettin… https://t.co/x97lXte6Gf |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:48:30 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas Same here #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T18:48:50 |
@Hada_ELT Yes, they are so similar. Like "integrative" and "instrumental" #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:48:55 |
That sounds great! Dyu record them? .. or highlight stuff on a written text? #eltchat https://t.co/rpjsHMiPAp |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:49:21 |
Let's not forget writing. Tone of emails, communicating aims clearly, anything else? #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:49:34 |
@SueAnnan don't know this.. will check... thx #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T18:49:37 |
@MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C Probably pause #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:49:44 |
@kamilaofprague I tried a few times with diff groups but never quite engaged them as I would with an interesting ar… https://t.co/INaIUA1tsf |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:50:02 |
It looks like all Ts are not just concerned with content but also study skills - research skills 4 Ss to keep learning on their own #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:50:33 |
@patrickelt Now that's a wind up! Note to self: do NOT go and look them up again! #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:50:53 |
LOVE those.. the 'grammar of headlines'.. a minefield :) #eltchat (and me neither!) https://t.co/ujD0AEz0oS |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:50:55 |
@Marisa_C at this level they should already have some study skills, so not to hard #eltchat |
| kenteris |
2017-04-26T18:51:02 |
@Marisa_C Exams test skills which need to be taught/prepared i.e. reading skills with time limits #Eltchat |
| frannieclare |
2017-04-26T18:51:20 |
@rapple18 Both. It makes language devpt so much more personalised.#eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:51:20 |
@Hada_ELT Yes, I've had this happen. Though ones compared original Shakespeare Sonet to Czech transl in my #CZLT class, was bril! #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:51:20 |
(too difficult for me ... ) #eltchat https://t.co/AwDn0WUJpH |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:51:57 |
@rapple18 I used to - wrote loads of stuff back when #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:52:16 |
@Marisa_C I read that IELTS was given to ss in the UK and the average band was 7! #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T18:52:21 |
Perhaps #eltchat https://t.co/E2wAgu2mQp |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:52:29 |
@Marisa_C Tried getting my c1 learners to do research & create an infographic #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:53:03 |
@kamilaofprague Wow! #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:53:15 |
cos most test language / accuracy, + not what you can really do -- + as NSpeakers, we can do those things (I'd fail… https://t.co/Hda7R5mBx2 |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:53:27 |
@MoreMsJackson @patrickelt good point - C2 Ss tho think NEST production is quick and flawless #eltchat |
| frannieclare |
2017-04-26T18:53:28 |
@kamilaofprague @Hada_ELT That sounds great! #eltchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:53:38 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C I have some the other way too, can use written but don't know pron due to extensive reading i… https://t.co/p4fCR86161 |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:53:40 |
@Hada_ELT @Marisa_C I just had three sts get 8.5 and 9 #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:53:42 |
@Hada_ELT Not really, was just a small thing, but fond memories:-) #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:53:58 |
@Marisa_C ..thus not really English proficiency exams, right?! #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:54:55 |
@SueAnnan @Hada_ELT @Marisa_C I remember giving a 9 to a candidate once (only!) - will never forget the candidate!… https://t.co/ELKQVPfzRd |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:54:55 |
That's certainly an area where said-st of mine trips up: sounds v formal, direct almost aggressive (but not aware,… https://t.co/E9FvLtCXR6 |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:55:09 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C Who really needs to be a C2 then? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:55:29 |
@Hada_ELT well not one size fits all for sure - ok for ppl who want to follow an academic course but.... etc... u know... #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:56:08 |
A couple here... Yeah, deserve to be framed #eltchat https://t.co/CEtJVm68jZ |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:56:21 |
@digteap @Hada_ELT Oooh, wouldn't that be great. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:56:25 |
I would like to make a significant pauae here..............Do we have a summary writer pls? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:56:31 |
nearly coming to the end. Would anyone like to write tonight's summary? #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:56:43 |
Oh, the "Queen of #Infographics @fionaljp " #eltchat How did it go? I have to learn (!) https://t.co/uTcGph8wIc |
| angelos_bollas |
2017-04-26T18:56:53 |
@Marisa_C I will write the summary - :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:56:54 |
great minds :-D #eltchat https://t.co/Q1WMXQkAU4 |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:57:11 |
@digteap @kamilaofprague Interesting but not sure that'd work with my groups.. #eltchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T18:57:12 |
@Marisa_C @patrickelt Spontaneous spoken production is rarely w/o hesitation even for natives. We use all kind of t… https://t.co/j5mmDVo5XD |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:57:18 |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C I'll send you transcript after the slow burn#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:58:01 |
We will shortly be going into slow burn mode. Feel free to continue adding ideas for the next 24 hours #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
2017-04-26T18:58:04 |
@rapple18 This is also where I stumble, too. I feel "safe" teaching up to C1, then I feel I'm not doing a good job. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:58:07 |
@angelos_bollas doing his first webinar with us tomorrow - free CPD on "Affect for Better Effect" Join us? https://t.co/3Q3YuKeFMN #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T18:58:50 |
@Hada_ELT @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Good point! #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2017-04-26T18:58:52 |
So glad I joined this great chat with you all! #eltchat thank you and 'see' you soon |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:58:55 |
Of course.. had forgotten - there are some great speeches! #eltchat Yes - must be up2date! https://t.co/YvEiEcqk0A |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T18:59:07 |
good question - are fillers, time gaining devices and what not taught? #eltchat https://t.co/k2Z1gM6hD9 |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T18:59:25 |
infographic style??? #eltchat https://t.co/vAHb1BNTvU |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T18:59:52 |
@Marisa_C I find that even C2 speakers often make the fillers in their own lang if you don't #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T19:00:07 |
@rapple18 Excited to find out - deadline Friday! #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T19:00:10 |
"Teaching very advanced learners" ... great topic.. so time for lots more ideas :) #eltchat https://t.co/cNMm756g7p |
| SueAnnan |
2017-04-26T19:01:14 |
What a great chat. See you all next week. Best of luck Angelos Mou for your webinar #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T19:01:16 |
@kamilaofprague It isnt easy #eltchat but it's fun, + good to throw the ball in their court and work together (usi… https://t.co/GnMjeyRcna |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T19:01:57 |
Hear-hear ... thanks all! #eltchat https://t.co/6YVKAHft89 |
| rapple18 |
2017-04-26T19:02:37 |
@fionaljp Let me know - really curious!! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T19:02:50 |
@rapple18 @kamilaofprague I like that last tweet of yours - the distance between T and Ss becomes less every day… https://t.co/nSN4Vzi2jl |
| fionaljp |
2017-04-26T19:03:45 |
@rapple18 Will do! #eltchat |
| digteap |
2017-04-26T19:04:07 |
@Marisa_C but does the challenge help/push learners to improve ? #ELTchat |
| CELT_Athens |
2017-04-26T19:07:20 |
Join us tomorrow if you can - https://t.co/kihhTkpJk7 #eltchat @angelos_bollas - a free monthly CPD online event https://t.co/okcv1APfIc |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T19:08:33 |
@digteap It probably does - but most colleagues report ppl passing those exams but not being communicatively efficient #eltchat |
| digteap |
2017-04-26T19:23:57 |
@SueAnnan once when practising 2nd cond: ST1: wht wd u do if u forgot ur mother's bday? ST2 I'd call her & ask her when it was #ELTchat |
| digteap |
2017-04-26T19:28:51 |
@kamilaofprague yes, that's why it's also important NS teachers have some exp of learning another language #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
2017-04-26T19:43:42 |
@MoreMsJackson @angelos_bollas I think it was Richard Cauldwell who mentioned C2 students with 'can't do' statements for listening #eltchat |
| HeleneCombe |
2017-04-27T09:36:33 |
@SueAnnan It is actually proven that our personalities change when we speak another language #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2017-04-26T20:04:33 |
@MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C Yes, I was like that with "homogenous" for a long time #eltchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2017-04-26T20:14:35 |
@sandymillin @angelos_bollas Ah yes. Field mentioned a CAE student who misheard, possibly a word they didn't know,… https://t.co/GZh6cV0997 |
| Marisa_C |
2017-04-26T20:24:58 |
I found Luke Prodromou's PhD online on idiomaticity & its contributing role to becoming an advanced user https://t.co/1swUyPM4Sj #ELTchat |
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