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What can we take from the Learning styles Myth

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angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:00:51 Hello #ELTChat :-D
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:00:54 Evening #ELTchat :)
fabenglishteach 2017-03-29T18:02:00 RT @Marisa_C: In less than 15 minutes we will be discussing the myth of learning styles and what we can take from it #ELTChat https://t.co/…
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:02:23 @TeresaBestwick @angelos_bollas Good evening #ELTchat ready to talk learning styles? - anyone else joining us?
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:02:54 Join us for #ELTchat https://t.co/6SoIpr604F
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:03:10 RT @angelos_bollas: Join us for #ELTchat https://t.co/6SoIpr604F
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T18:03:57 #ELTchat What can we learn from the myth of learning styles? How about variety is not only the spice of life, but the ELT classroom?
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:04:41 @MoreMsJackson Yes, for me it's more about teaching styles than learning styles #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:04:49 There! She said it! #ELTchat done and dusted - we can all go home now :-D https://t.co/PRERVxl706
naomishema 2017-03-29T18:05:19 #eltchat hello there! I'll be joining in for as long as I can, don't think I can stay the whole hour.
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:05:20 @Marisa_C Ha ha - quickest #eltchat ever?!
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:05:25 RT @MoreMsJackson: #ELTchat What can we learn from the myth of learning styles? How about variety is not only the spice of life, but the EL…
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:05:26 RT @TeresaBestwick: @MoreMsJackson Yes, for me it's more about teaching styles than learning styles #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:06:29 In that we should use a variety of different techniques/tasks, not that we necessarily adhere to a particular teaching style #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:06:32 @TeresaBestwick may be may be we could mention the unmentionables? which ones do you mean the usual VAK ? or others as well? #eltchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T18:07:47 .@Teresa Eastwick Good point. And a reminder to mix things up with our teaching style every now and then? #eltchat
naomishema 2017-03-29T18:07:51 Intuitively we feel there's some basis to it, when we were kids I memorized by writing while other classmates recited #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:08:09 @Marisa_C intra- and interpersonal as well - there are clearly learners who work better in certain interactions #eltchat
LaraCvanti 2017-03-29T18:08:16 I wasn't aware learning styles had been dubunked #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:09:40 @LaraCvanti I think the 'debunking' was a blanket statement - not clear if all names styles doubted or just VAK which very popular #ELTChat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:10:17 And this is perhaps more noticeable in YLS - adults adapt to different interactions #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:10:22 @LaraCvanti don't feel bad about it - it's still mentioned in some Cambridge syllabuses! #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:11:04 I very much agree! I learn when I listen to sb. Cannot learn by just reading #ELTchat https://t.co/TS6BBaXi2s
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:11:20 @Marisa_C @LaraCvanti Aaaah - I thought it was Gardner's work too #eltchat
David__Boughton 2017-03-29T18:11:43 @Marisa_C @LaraCvanti and in lots of articles online! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:12:57 This #eltchat could get too technical  - skeletonisation vs embroidery  or broad and narrow categorisers - #eltchat  are these useful to Ts?
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:13:15 @Marisa_C @LaraCvanti It helps trainees focus on individual Ls' needs, though. I like it there #eltchat
LaraCvanti 2017-03-29T18:14:01 @David__Boughton @Marisa_C #ELTChat probably 'cause at some point it had theoretical value as to how we learn or prioritize sources of info
David__Boughton 2017-03-29T18:14:04 I love the explanation that someone may think they're an auditory learner, but you you don't learn to drive a car from a lecture. #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:14:37 @David__Boughton That would require different set of skills, though, right? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:14:40 @angelos_bollas @LaraCvanti i think broad vs narrow categorisers or analytical +/- Ss are useful notions for teachers #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:14:59 RT @Marisa_C: @angelos_bollas @LaraCvanti i think broad vs narrow categorisers or analytical +/- Ss are useful notions for teachers #eltchat
David__Boughton 2017-03-29T18:15:31 @LaraCvanti @Marisa_C my understanding was it was all promoted by the companies that made the learning style tests. #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:15:42 @David__Boughton Ha ha - true!  But the idea was never "You are this ONE type", was it?  #eltchat
LaraCvanti 2017-03-29T18:15:57 @David__Boughton #ELTChat no, but there's usually someone telling you what to do
naomishema 2017-03-29T18:16:26 I'm curious about Training courses, does the difference btwn auditory learner and being dyslectic come up? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:16:39 @David__Boughton possibly - tho i never knew a time when these were on sale - wrong country?#eltchat
David__Boughton 2017-03-29T18:16:57 @TeresaBestwick I thought so. Isn't that why they had the discover your learning style tests? #eltchat
David__Boughton 2017-03-29T18:18:17 @Marisa_C I remember doing them as a student and using them as a teacher. #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:18:23 @David__Boughton But always pushing for a strength in one area rather than ONLY one? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:18:43 @TeresaBestwick is it a matter of strength or preference? #eltchat
LaraCvanti 2017-03-29T18:18:54 learning styles might make it easier to develop different types of awareness (not just lguage focus but open to interaction clues) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:19:13 I once took part in an experiment which would have made a great language lesson - may be u could try it out -#eltchat cont...
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:19:15 Interesting question - conscious or not? #eltchat https://t.co/xox3Vuxytg
David__Boughton 2017-03-29T18:20:01 @TeresaBestwick yes, i think that makes more sense. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:20:34 instructor asked us to describe a visit to a beach - the frequency of verbs in hear - see - do - touch categories was counted #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:21:55 it was interesting because diff ppl used diff percentages of certain verb categories - then did a test and this correlated #ELTChat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T18:22:14 @angelos_bollas @naomishema We learn in diff ways, as individuals w/ preferences & interests. Could be grouped in any no of ways. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:22:18 That's very interesting, indeed! #eltchat https://t.co/UEeoTJTuIe
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:22:37 but of course it doesn't mean the myth is not a myth #ELTChat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:22:56 @Marisa_C On the Diploma I had to do a class profile with learning styles - pain in the behind! But interesting at the same time #eltchat
David__Boughton 2017-03-29T18:23:02 10 myths about psychology: debunked | Ben Ambridge #eltchat https://t.co/Fq2DzA7sy1
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:23:08 @angelos_bollas makes for a great verbs of the senses lesson #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:24:02 @TeresaBestwick i know - we still give our celtas the Varch questionnaire - me i see it more like a conversation starter #ELTChat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:24:09 @Marisa_C And easier on the surface to judge with YLs #eltchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T18:25:17 Failing at #eltchat on my phone. Sorry for any mistyped tags, @'s and for forgetting the hashtag.
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:27:26 there is a great tho very old article in one of the first issues of Modern English Teacher by Jim Wingate abt how to spot a S and.. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:28:16 ...cont: and how to plan a multisensory lesson - i would prefer to call it multimedia cos that's how we receive info these days no? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:29:07 @MoreMsJackson sorry bt w/o the #ELtchat hashtag we don't see ur tweets at all
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:29:12 Great point! We should revisit 'learning styles' in light of technology, I think. right? #eltchat https://t.co/UKtbL2CrX0
LaraCvanti 2017-03-29T18:29:20 @Marisa_C #ELTchat multimodal as well
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:29:43 @MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C Interesting to think about individual learners and encurages you to provide tasks "suited" to them #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T18:29:55 @angelos_bollas so multi-media = multi-styles, essentially? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:29:59 @LaraCvanti @angelos_bollas yes to both #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:30:20 @tesolmatthew Agree! #eltchat
teachingright 2017-03-29T18:31:14 Students are human & they have senses  that work in unison #ELTChat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T18:31:18 @TeresaBestwick @Marisa_C Yes, a reminder to see Ss as individuals is always a good reminder #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:31:20 @tesolmatthew yes w/o getting stuck just in the VAK loop - also discovery followed by analysis, accuracy then fluency #ELTChat
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T18:31:25 #ELTchat ideally Ts have ability to truly consider indiv. learners each on their own, making blunt-force categoriza… https://t.co/Yhm6VI8TFy
teachingright 2017-03-29T18:32:27 RT @ELTchat: "What CAN we take from the myth of learning styles?"  @TeresaBestwick  's suggestion won me over - hot topic! #ELTchat https:/…
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T18:32:32 @Marisa_C #ELTchat following convention, yeah - no little of what we take in now is just this or that - it's ALL multimodal! LS feels DUSTY.
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:33:48 @tesolmatthew learning vs acquisition activities and all those dichotomies that make teaching a challenge!!! :-D #ELTChat
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T18:33:57 @Marisa_C #ELTchat thought experiment thinking about LS as "understanding styles" and having a hard time conceiving of it as useful at all
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:34:56 @Marisa_C @tesolmatthew ideally they don't make learning challenging (one would hope) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:35:14 but not learning as someone was trying to say #eltchat https://t.co/6zKjzzZS5h
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:35:24 @angelos_bollas Not necessarily - tech makes it easy-access and adds kinaesthetic value, but audio/visual has always been there #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:38:02 I think though the object of learning will necessitate some modalities to prevail - e.g. riding a bike is different to language #ELTChat
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T18:38:32 @Marisa_C #ELTchat *SO little
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T18:39:35 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C #ELTchat I'd love2 talk to T who rlly and truly ID'd & considered conventionally defined LS in all their planning
naomishema 2017-03-29T18:39:50 We should treat issue of PACE as Learning styles 2, perhaps. Some Ss work slowly, do everything slower than others. I'm slow too #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:40:32 @naomishema similarly, some Ls do great in P/T courses and some others in F/T ones. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:40:54 @tesolmatthew @angelos_bollas we have a chart from the wingate article i mentioned for the diff skills - working on a tech revamp #ELTChat
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T18:41:14 @naomishema #ELTchat nice, I like this. far less superficial, it seems to me, as a the specifics re: channel of input!
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T18:41:36 @tesolmatthew Yes, do labels like this have any real meaning. Imagine Ts walk round a classroom thinking of the "auditory" Ss etc #ELTchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T18:43:10 #eltchat How about from the other POV - for the learner? Does the knowledge of "learning styles" help them in any way?
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:44:30 @naomishema So many different traits in a classroom mix we cannot really individualize instruction, nor should we feel obliged to - #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:46:19 #eltchat i believe we should look for what unites a class -not what divides them that make them a social group- ideal for learning #eltchat
naomishema 2017-03-29T18:46:45 I agree @Marisa_C ! But when I plan activities I know which kids r going 2 need more time 2 do it unrlelated 2 leve… https://t.co/4hXjrmyc7G
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T18:46:47 #eltchat Another Q, how does this relate to the idea of differentiation in YL classrooms? ie.providing diff activities for Ss to choose from
muranava 2017-03-29T18:47:31 there are more fruitful indiv diffs to explore e.g. working memory #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:47:55 @Marisa_C I totally agree - the more united they are, the better they will work together #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:49:16 RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat i believe we should look for what unites a class -not what divides them that make them a social group- ideal for lea…
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:49:36 good point #eltchat i think VAK has stuck becz so nice to plan for multimodal mix n matches #eltchat https://t.co/dMUrJj7QVS
naomishema 2017-03-29T18:50:10 Time factor  can be a very productive way to be inclusive - find ways 2 allow Ss who don't complete task during lesson to hand in #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:51:04 @Marisa_C And easier to check that trainees tick the boxes #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:52:31 Anothet useful and fruitful discussion is about good learner characteristics (of which lots of research) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:53:00 RT @Marisa_C: Anothet useful and fruitful discussion is about good learner characteristics (of which lots of research) #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T18:54:02 @Marisa_C Growth midset, etc? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:54:21 here a Q-aire i made for use by Ss based on a summary of the research (found in Ellis and elsewhere) #eltchat https://t.co/YtHmC3f0a1
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:54:28 So it all boils down to mixed abilities, right? #eltchat https://t.co/ekQCO7e9c7
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:54:37 RT @Marisa_C: here a Q-aire i made for use by Ss based on a summary of the research (found in Ellis and elsewhere) #eltchat https://t.co/Yt…
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:54:54 @TeresaBestwick that too - tho this a newer sort of notion or trend #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2017-03-29T18:55:11 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C What Ts and T trainers like doing is not necessarily what's effective for Ss' learning. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2017-03-29T18:56:08 RT @GlenysHanson: @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C What Ts and T trainers like doing is not necessarily what's effective for Ss' learning. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:56:29 @GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas Some sense of learning by hit or miss methods? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:57:31 @GlenysHanson joking in part - but only 1-2-1 can offer Ss what they like and what they need - group classes a compromise #ELTchat
muranava 2017-03-29T18:58:20 @Marisa_C there has been some promising work on matching teaching method to aptitudes in SLA (Aptitude Treatment Interactions, ATI) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T18:59:15 @muranava i haven't read anything recent TBH - older research somehwat disappointing #ELTchat
naomishema 2017-03-29T19:00:21 I work closely with another teacher. Her attitude is very "first give rules" while I'm " learn as u work" - our learning styles. #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2017-03-29T19:00:58 I'm on summary - if anyone wants to add links to new research, would be fab. Lots of interesting chat this evening :) #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2017-03-29T19:01:26 @Marisa_C On the other hand, people in a group can inspire each other and provide variety. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:02:05 @muranava recall seeing sth by Springer but would need more specific citations - do share a couple of key readings pls #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:02:50 @GlenysHanson very true - and most ppl do like group vs indiv learning - it's in the genes #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:04:48 if you are online at the allocated time why not hold an #eltchat on anything from IATEFL online ?  we may be able t… https://t.co/99Xd0sHUWI
GlenysHanson 2017-03-29T19:05:15 A lot of the reasearch I've read puts same label on different classroom practices. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:05:47 @TeresaBestwick Perfect - great topic wait for slowburn #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T19:08:43 @MoreMsJackson tho not as if v. respectable smart Ts haven't & don't find LS useful &good in their own ways, inc Marj Rosenberg #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2017-03-29T19:09:53 @Marisa_C I agree - so sorry I was late. thanks @TeresaBestwick  #eltchat
muranava 2017-03-29T19:09:58 @Marisa_C this review is good available on all good download sites ; ) https://t.co/8mTOufU3wL #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T19:10:21 RT @muranava: there are more fruitful indiv diffs to explore e.g. working memory #ELTchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T19:10:50 @Marisa_C @GlenysHanson Is it? Or is group learning a construct of society? Just putting that out there #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:14:28 @MoreMsJackson The species begins learning in the family-group-goes on 2 school -groups-  a chicken or the egg kind of question #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2017-03-29T19:15:34 @MoreMsJackson Each individual learns for themselves but some environments are more encouraging than others. eg a supportive group #eltchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T19:16:19 @tesolmatthew Thanks for the name, just googled. She hints at LS helping autonomy which I wondered w/ my unpicked up #ELTchat Q on Ss POV
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:18:00 @muranava Thanks - only auditory ability checked out as a predictor of success in all aptitude tests in the past (Pimsleur) #eltchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T19:22:50 @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C w/o doubt​ we cn learn from others. But old times (eg. philosophers) often had student-master rel'ships 1/2 #ELTchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T19:24:32 @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C 2/2 (Hopefully some were Ms. too) But that's 1-2-1, not groups. Probably right it's chicken and the egg tho #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:25:30 @MoreMsJackson that was 4 the aristocracy bt point taken #eltchat we do have a tribal instinct - social group theories support this #ELTchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T19:26:54 @Marisa_C Fair point about tribal instinct #ELTchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T19:28:32 @Marisa_C And weren't apprentices learning trades also 1-2-1s? Never thought about any of this from a Ts point of view before.. #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2017-03-29T19:28:58 @MoreMsJackson For example, the stoic philosoper Seneca who was Nero's tutor??? People were just as weird then as now. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:30:18 @fionaljp I know you got it!! Am in the committee :-)  Wasn't sure u were coming tho! Congratulations!!!!!! See you soon! #ELTchat
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T19:30:38 @GlenysHanson Yes to both your points. Not saying it's any better/worse as a way to learn, but it can be a way to learn. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:34:35 @MoreMsJackson of course-like a child learning mother - just talking about the larger pic & tribes - like #eltchat we are drawn to groups
MoreMsJackson 2017-03-29T19:35:40 @Marisa_C that too #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-03-29T19:36:18 uff - writing with loads of typos - must wave good night - got to get some work done #eltchat thank you all for coming!! keep talking!
tesolmatthew 2017-03-29T19:40:12 @MoreMsJackson @GlenysHanson @Marisa_C & u may not want to peg a S as a "supportive grouper" or somesuch #ELTchat
aahk888 2017-03-29T21:24:42 RT @teachingright: Students are human & they have senses  that work in unison #ELTChat
teacherroscba 2017-03-29T23:52:09 RT @ShellTerrell: Join me Fri., Mar 31st! Webinar: Language Learners with Online Communities https://t.co/GmAniPBQdM #EDchat #ELTChat #ELLC…
getgreatenglish 2017-03-30T00:48:29 RT @muranava: there are more fruitful indiv diffs to explore e.g. working memory #ELTchat
EnglishMyWayUK 2017-03-30T13:09:45 This was last night's @ELTchat - I agree with @TeresaBestwick - we still need to keep a variety of techniques and a… https://t.co/DsKLXkcxpY


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