ELTchat |
2017-03-22T18:54:02 |
About to start #ELTchat on Self Directed Learning-have a look at a couple of previous #eltchat listed here https://t.co/gUKJk2VqNs @Marisa_C |
fionamau |
2017-03-22T18:56:47 |
#TESOL17 #ELTchat https://t.co/F9jGMxuZJu |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:03:00 |
Hello from #eltchat - has the time changed for some of you? No worries - we have a slow burn version as well with @tesolmatthew |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:04:15 |
@Marisa_C @tesolmatthew Hi #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:04:56 |
@fionaljp @tesolmatthew hya Fiona! #ELtchat - welcome |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:05:45 |
right time, right place, now? #eltchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:05:53 |
@Marisa_C @tesolmatthew Hi Both #ELTchat |
languagecaster |
2017-03-22T19:06:00 |
RT @naomishema: Learn English through football https://t.co/1fRhfTG8fD via @eltplanning #tesol #eltchat #efl #esl #edchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:06:34 |
@rapple18 definitely! I am here so... :-D #eltchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:08:00 |
@Marisa_C @tesolmatthew #ELTchat Hi |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:08:03 |
#eltchat Twitter feels a bit sluggish tonight - both n the browser as well as tweetdeck - wonder why |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:08:37 |
#eltchat Hi there! I'm here too. |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:09:02 |
@lexicoloco Hey Diane good to see you #Eltchat - @tesolmatthew enjoy!!!! and tweet the good stuff! |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:09:06 |
@Marisa_C mine too .. very lazy#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:10:47 |
@GlenysHanson welcome we have a group that usually talks their heads off - welcome to @nafooh1988 one of the topic setters #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:11:27 |
SO how can we develop what's gone before? The 2 summaries @Marisa_C posted were both excellent. Is tonight abt ways2encourage sts? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:11:46 |
So..let's get this show on the road!!! Have you have the chance of a quick look at previous #ELTchat s ? |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:12:14 |
@Marisa_C A very quick look #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:13:48 |
thinking @rapple18 of perhaps exploring ways of training learners to do what happens naturally out there on the web as we speak #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:14:00 |
on the 2011 one https://t.co/zVARx8YLPA the initial 'Main Goals' were great #ELTchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:14:18 |
@Marisa_C Yes, Tweetdeck is very sloooow #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:14:25 |
.. but also what to do with the data #eltchat and how to make sense of what they collect |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:14:40 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson #ELTchat I think increasing student's sense of responsibility for learning is a key to promote self-directed L |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:14:44 |
So, @Marisa_C , to do stuff they would otherwise do in L1 in Eng instead?#ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:14:45 |
What do you all think? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:15:35 |
@rapple18 may be - in an ESOL context possible - in an non eSOL what else? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:16:41 |
@Nafooh1988 @GlenysHanson agree - any suggestions of when to begin and how to do it #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:16:48 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson #ELTchat but it is important for us (teachers) to know that is a gradual process that doesn't happen at once! |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:17:05 |
Saw a great talk in Dublin 2015 on autonomy - #ELTchat key Q I made a note of: https://t.co/4sRZGHauYC |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:17:41 |
@Nafooh1988 methinks u just provided part of the answer - so... begin very early? from YL classes? #eltchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:18:21 |
Fbk today @NicolaMeldrum was looking for [ed.] "a platform... 4sts 2 ID areas, strategies, progress etc which only T+1student sees #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:18:38 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson #ELTchat this can be done in three stages according to scharle and szabo: increasing awareness, changing attitudes |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:18:51 |
Not all Ss do but some find themselves in that position - either for lack of time, money or access to Ts #eltchat w… https://t.co/Pv0qu4OXyv |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:18:59 |
@Marisa_C @Nafooh1988 Very true needs motivation and motivating #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:19:15 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson #ELTchat and the third stage is changing roles |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:19:35 |
#eltchat Students learn autonomously outside of class Trust them and they'll do the same in class. |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:19:37 |
It's a toughie: @fionaljp! #ELTchat I think sts need to be made aware of advantages, but also have T in control if age/tradition etc needs |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:20:49 |
I very romantically thought "If i create Ts' Self Access centre, they will flock to do the tasks" Very few did any flocking #ELTchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:21:17 |
@Marisa_C I think wanting to be autonomous is the starting point #ELTchat Maybe we (Ts) need to create environment to nurture |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:21:32 |
How to get sts on board re autonomy: increasing awareness, changing attitudes and then changing roles. Nice!… https://t.co/CinA5lVyYY |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:21:54 |
@fionaljp @Marisa_C #ELTchat I think there is a mutual relationship between motivation and autonomy. |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:22:48 |
RT @fionaljp: @Marisa_C I think wanting to be autonomous is the starting point #ELTchat Maybe we (Ts) need to create environment to nurture |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:23:19 |
Hey Mohamed!!! great to see you here :-) #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:24:00 |
@fionaljp @Marisa_C #ELTchat the more students are autonomous, the more they are motivated and vice versa. |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:24:06 |
Very true - a great example can be seen in all the learner communities on FB and elsewhere #ELTchat https://t.co/qNX0DxKWND |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:24:18 |
@Marisa_C .. what do you mean by this: "in a non eSOL what else?" #ELTchat ? |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:24:28 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat I don't think motivation is something that can be taught. Ss are motivated unless quashed. |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:25:25 |
@rapple18 I call ESOL Ss those studying in the UK or maybe ESL ss same #ELTchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:26:02 |
@rapple18 Yes, don’t mean it’s all on them #ELTchat - we need to encourage, promote and hopefully, motivate |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:26:04 |
Have a look at this page https://t.co/fxuWQ0jCv5 96,000 learners online most days learning on their own #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:26:13 |
@Marisa_C .. I'm not sure I would differentiate.. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:27:09 |
@rapple18 No? ESOL ss have to go the corner shop etc - not in Cairo tho... that's all i mean - opportunities #ELTchat |
TESOLacademic |
2017-03-22T19:27:11 |
#ELTchat asking ss for evidence of autonomous #learning e.g. a learner diary (& giving marks) is but one way of encouraging ss. |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:27:27 |
@fionaljp v much so :) #ELTchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:27:40 |
@Marisa_C @Nafooh1988 Definitely! #ELTchat |
vickyloras |
2017-03-22T19:27:48 |
RT @Marisa_C: Have a look at this page https://t.co/fxuWQ0jCv5 96,000 learners online most days learning on their own #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:27:53 |
@EdTechTV welcome but keep to our topic pls? #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:27:55 |
RT @TESOLacademic: #ELTchat asking ss for evidence of autonomous #learning e.g. a learner diary (& giving marks) is but one way of encourag… |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:28:13 |
#eltchat I found that the less I chose & explained subjects the more students did. |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:28:19 |
@Marisa_C OK fair enough, - in that respect, yes it's hugely different studying IN the country. (sorry!) #ELTchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:29:25 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C No, but can be a goal #ELTchat - to motivate |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:29:38 |
@GlenysHanson A new approach to teaching - called 'Keep it Mysterious and they will WANT to learn it" :-D #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:30:16 |
I think a lot of it [autonomy] can b down2 simply decisions + choices: differentiating sts' needs + interests, + keeping records :) #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:30:32 |
@GlenysHanson this CAN be true in some cases but in others it CAN cause a lot of frustration too #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:31:18 |
@fionaljp @Marisa_C #ELTchat students might want to be autonomous if they are aware of its importance.1/2 |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:31:44 |
It seems to me that creating a social network of sorts that they will WANT to belong to (and that is an issue) can help this goal #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:32:27 |
@fionaljp @Marisa_C #ELTchat It also help to let students know the goal of the task.2/2 |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:32:37 |
@EdTechTV https://t.co/Pplof2XehS #eltchat - on self directed learning |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:32:42 |
Genuine T interest in sts' + their interest/preferences, + then encouraging them2 take t lead/investigate, can work… https://t.co/TFcqaMcC5Y |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:32:48 |
RT @rapple18: It's a toughie: @fionaljp! #ELTchat I think sts need to be made aware of advantages, but also have T in control if age/tradi… |
angelos_bollas |
2017-03-22T19:33:10 |
Am having connectivity problems #eltchat:-( am trying to use 3G to join |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:33:22 |
@Nafooh1988 #eltchat Why do you think becoming autonomous is a gradual process? |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:33:50 |
I tried + failed (to create a closed group st network w/ a class): they didnt want others to see their comments in… https://t.co/bzDCYlnqTF |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:33:58 |
@Marisa_C Sounds good #ELTchat it’s hard to remain motivated alone |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:34:07 |
@angelos_bollas :-( it's a bit slow for me too this eve #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:35:03 |
@GlenysHanson #ELTchat because it starts usually from reacting to certain situations as for example applying some strategies1/2 |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:35:29 |
Good question - #eltchat - do you think @GlenysHanson that we were born autonomous or were made ? (by whatever fact… https://t.co/HNfdk2ituA |
TESOLacademic |
2017-03-22T19:35:40 |
#ELTChat I agree with @Nafooh1988 "learning to learn" is a process (& it never ends) https://t.co/YvyYcJdFHd |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:35:58 |
@GlenysHanson #ELTchat then moves to a more proactive level by students themselves2/2 |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:36:59 |
@TESOLacademic #ELTchat metacognition plays an important role here. |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:37:01 |
@fwalkerbcn cannot retweet this with #ELTchat hasthag can YoU do it pls so all can see it? |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:37:02 |
@Marisa_C yes, weaning them off being spoonfed can be painful for some. There are things the T can do to help. #eltchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:37:26 |
.. perhaps it could be treated a bit like "try sth for 30 days and it becomes a habit" ?? #ELTChat #StudentAutonomy https://t.co/d6JC3I9yUg |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:39:30 |
First lessons in autonomy in the primary classroom - may involve small choices #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:41:16 |
@faleh_muhammad so is this a Sugata Mitra thing ....? (!) #ELTChat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:41:18 |
Yes, I think collaboration and sharing ideas is key to encourage and maintain autonomy #ELTchat https://t.co/hNCy27yFjk |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:41:59 |
@rapple18 @faleh_muhammad I think so - ultimately #eltchat - e.g. a st who buys an app to learn grammar #eltchat |
TESOLacademic |
2017-03-22T19:42:14 |
#ELTChat Ss in my studies report #autonomy + #edtech is more about #language use on social media than apps & websites to practice #English |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:42:27 |
@Marisa_C Born autonomous. "Children start school ignorant but curious. They leave still ignorant but no longer curious." #eltchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:43:10 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat involving learners in making decisions about their learning is what needs to be considered by teachers. |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:43:33 |
I think metacognitive awareness is also key - Qs become deeper - e.g. how do i learn best? what's a good way of recalling words #eltchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:44:01 |
@faleh_muhammad Give them the tools, encouragement but at some point it’s a choice #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:44:49 |
@faleh_muhammad Gamification? (I'm not good at this.. but I know someone who is) #ELTChat |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:45:25 |
@Nafooh1988 No lazy students, just inefficient teachers @faleh_muhammad @Marisa_C #ELTchat |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:46:10 |
@TESOLacademic #ELTchat this. an be justified as students perceive learner autonomy as related to their life outside the class1/2 |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:46:24 |
@GlenysHanson Mohamed @faleh_muhammad teaches rich little or big boys ;-) maybe talk about more money M? #eltchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:46:58 |
oh, I wish ... ! #ELTChat https://t.co/XAYq27DGbX |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:47:45 |
@rapple18 not always true #ELTchat we should not blame ourselves for everything - English is not key in everyone's life |
Nafooh1988 |
2017-03-22T19:48:11 |
@TESOLacademic #ELTchat while teachers perceive learner autonomy in terms of the institutional and curriculum guidelines. |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:49:55 |
Has anyone checked the link to 'My English Club" which I posted earlier? These are self motivated adults led by one @tarabenwell - #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:50:07 |
@Marisa_C I agree with you. I wish we could blame the Ts. Then we could do sth about it! #ELTChat @GlenysHanson |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:50:42 |
They log on every day, they talk to one another, they blog and post anything that strikes their fancy and learning on their own #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:51:25 |
@Marisa_C @tarabenwell it looks overpowering, - and I was too busy reading tweets #ELTChat :) Need time to see how it works. Impressive! |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:51:29 |
@rapple18 @GlenysHanson I will always take the blame myself but not always necessary #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:52:02 |
@Marisa_C oh very succinct - many thanks :) #ELTChat |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:52:18 |
@Marisa_C I wasn't blaming teachers for being inefficient. They're trained to stuff grammar, vocab, etc into students. #eltchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:52:52 |
@rapple18 @Marisa_C @GlenysHanson either you feel inspired or you don’t but it doesn’t happen in isolation - could be from sts or T #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:53:12 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson I think we tend2, but not 4long. Give yself some credit. Any student in the class will know what's what! :) #ELTChat |
Yehya_edu |
2017-03-22T19:53:49 |
RT @TESOLacademic: #ELTChat Ss in my studies report #autonomy + #edtech is more about #language use on social media than apps & websites t… |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:53:55 |
@faleh_muhammad I think it does - as long as Ss aware of own strengths +/_ and able to make the right choices #eltchat hence learnr training |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:54:15 |
sounds a bit like... gamifying ... :) #ELTChat #gamification I wish I was better at this! https://t.co/D7nH124OmO |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:55:32 |
Good pts abt great mats being made but we are looking for ways of disengaging the Ss from the need to just work with our great mats #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:56:31 |
@EdTechTV @GlenysHanson very true #ELTchat |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T19:56:34 |
@Marisa_C Is "blame" the right word?. I took responsibility for what happened in my classes. Looked for ways to do better. #eltchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T19:56:58 |
@Marisa_C Guide them, show them where they can find suitably challenging self-directed learning material #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:57:00 |
.@DaveRage @alicekeeler @kkapp Many thanks! Will check out ... #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:57:27 |
@GlenysHanson possibly not - but you understood what i meant #eltchat - this is an quick chat not a refereed journal :-D #ELTchat |
TESOLacademic |
2017-03-22T19:57:48 |
#ELTChat Agree #gamification offers huge potential. May play a major role in #ELT #TESOL over coming few yrs? https://t.co/9lAeJb32QZ |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:58:21 |
yes - and show them what they can do with it Organise challenges and curation projects #ELTchat https://t.co/WkC4gtKYD6 |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T19:59:05 |
@TESOLacademic + it isnt necessarily about t materials, but how we approach them. Sts compete with each other. T as "onlooker"?! #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T19:59:39 |
E.g 1 - A Reading challenge - can begin from a list (e,g. @SeanBanville 's texts but later Ss choose own texts #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:01:12 |
A vocab challenge can begin with sets of QUizlet cads ready made - later Ss make own and share #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:02:05 |
@rapple18 @TESOLacademic Agree that our focus is not classroom motivating activities #eltchat (however important they may be) |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T20:02:35 |
@Marisa_C Did I express myself clumsily? I feel I hurt you. Blaming oneself has different implications from taking responsibility. #eltchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T20:02:38 |
@Marisa_C Nice - self-directed & they could create summaries to share #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:03:22 |
@GlenysHanson nahh am good no worries #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T20:03:25 |
It's certainly a case of provide a model, and a gradual process for sts to take over ... #ELTChat https://t.co/qaCleIKoI2 |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:03:53 |
RT @fionaljp: @Marisa_C Nice - self-directed & they could create summaries to share #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:04:54 |
@EdTechTV @rapple18 @TESOLacademic fine as long as we keep it in focus - games are a great way of learning on one's own anyway #eltchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T20:06:20 |
@Marisa_C Could maybe use this idea but texts come from learners not T #ELTchat https://t.co/EslgrAun95 |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:06:45 |
@fionaljp Could u pls do me the favour of sharing you recent summary and link #Eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:07:59 |
@fionaljp Choices you mean? Yes absolutely - chimes with @skrashen 's idea of 'compelling reading' & its boost to L2 acquisition #ELTchat |
GlenysHanson |
2017-03-22T20:08:05 |
@Marisa_C Except for exam prep, do teachers need to create materials? Isn't there enough on the web? #eltchat |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T20:08:24 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Yes, here it is:https://t.co/vW2gYD6PKn |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T20:08:52 |
@fionaljp @Marisa_C LOVE marker pen activity 4helping sts w summarising skills.. thx! Will read on to see how to use w GgleDocs #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:09:15 |
Have a look at an #ELTchat Summary The Best 2.0 Tools for Speaking Skills on 15 March 2017 by Fiona(many thanks!!!) https://t.co/m3OEmpB6Bj |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:12:19 |
@fwalkerbcn from a gen education stanpoint right? thanks for sharing #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:14:05 |
Well, thank you all for joining this eve - it was a challenge to stretch the topic in a diff direction but some great tweets shared #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:15:06 |
You can continue discussion self-directed learning and the concept of autonomy with @tesolmatthew till tomorrow in 'slowburn #eltchat mode!! |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:15:49 |
@fwalkerbcn oh sure - i love taking ideas from these sites - we need to connect more with non ELT teachers I think! #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
2017-03-22T20:16:22 |
#ELTchat Many thanks :) |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:17:18 |
Thanks !!! - retweeting with #ELTchat added for rest of #eltchat members to notice idea of 'capacity ladders' for S… https://t.co/LxMtNkGgu1 |
fionaljp |
2017-03-22T20:17:23 |
@Marisa_C Bye #ELTchat Thanks all |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:19:04 |
Just a wee note: Wwhile at IATEFL we may not be able to hold a structured #eltchat with a topic but may be a free-for-all from Glasgow |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-22T20:20:50 |
@fwalkerbcn @fionaljp @rapple18 @EdTechTV @GlenysHanson @Nafooh1988 @TESOLacademic @faleh_muhammad bye all!! #eltchat Summary pls? |
Lynne_SCILT |
2017-03-23T11:42:02 |
RT @MartinaEmke: #mfltwitterati#langchat#ELTchat https://t.co/qb647PGEOb |
rapple18 |
2017-03-23T14:43:53 |
@Marisa_C if U still need a summary writer from yday I'll have a go. Not my area, but .. I'd do it tomrw/Fri (After, I'm busy!) ?? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2017-03-23T18:21:52 |
Loved idea of diff color cards for T to monitor degree of autonomy - great for YLs https://t.co/uKQ6mT5arj thanks @ShellTerrell #ELTchat |
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