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Improving Students' Listening , not testing it

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Marisa_C 2017-02-01T18:07:53 Before our #eltchat do check out a previous summary with all sorts of online resources for listening https://t.co/k56vXSu7GH
khanshahana30 2017-02-01T18:27:23 #eltchat interesting topic waiting for the discussion.
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T18:45:48 Don't forget to join us for #ELTchat in 15 minutes. We will be discussing how to improve listening skills
ELTchat 2017-02-01T19:00:34 Join us now - our topic is 'how to improve listening' #eltchat https://t.co/VDBY3qUpxX
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:01:00 Hello. I'm here #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:01:08 It's time! #eltchat - roll call? Who can join us tonight?
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:02:08 Hi everyone! #ELTchat
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:02:31 Hello! The topic was my suggestion: How can we design lessons that improve students' listening skills rather than just test them? #eltchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:02:39 Hi! Looking forward to the chat! #ELTchat
naomishema 2017-02-01T19:02:43 Just saying HI to all the lovely #eltchat ters. Listening is the one topic that I, obviously, don't deal with so have a good chat!
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:02:59 @David__Boughton @khanshahana30 @SueAnnan @olyaelt @DavinnaArtibey #ELTchat - warm welcome
khanshahana30 2017-02-01T19:03:09 #eltchat Hello everyone
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:03:36 Developing listening skills & strategies rather than test them? #ELTchat https://t.co/erWmbJF2ap
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:04:12 @DavinnaArtibey Oh, that's interesting. You already have me realizing most listening time in class is just testing the skill. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:04:55 Why do you think that is - what do you or other Ts do that does not develop but test? #ELTchat https://t.co/HkFTNw5oo7
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:05:06 @DavinnaArtibey suppose if  no comp. qs at the end you are not really testing them. But all Listening  tests to a certain extent #ELTchat
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:05:08 Inspired by Sheila Thorn...traditional listening comprehension approach simply tests Ss' listening ability...doesn't train them #eltchat
kamilaofprague 2017-02-01T19:05:24 Hi #eltchat Halfway through lesson planning but loving the topic.
khanshahana30 2017-02-01T19:05:28 #ELTchat listening is the most important part of elt but sometimes not used properly.
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:05:39 RT @Marisa_C: Join us now - our topic is 'how to improve listening' #eltchat https://t.co/AXBqPHYiPX
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:05:51 @DavinnaArtibey very true - e.g listen to this and answer some questions (this approach) #eltchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:06:34 #eltchat hiya
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:06:49 @DavinnaArtibey So would reduced speech, linking, intonation, emphasis, stress be some examples of teaching listening skills? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:06:57 @purlandtraining hello there and welcome to the listening #eltchat circle
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:07:43 I quite enjoy playing games where intonation is the key to understanding context. Can rebuild convos if understood #ELTchat
kamilaofprague 2017-02-01T19:07:49 @David__Boughton @DavinnaArtibey I find focusing on linking especially helps a lot. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:07:56 Good question - it's relevant to ask 'When is this to be done' and how does that affect trad lesson shapes #ELTchat https://t.co/o7ktFjAz3E
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:08:24 learning how the schwa works is paramount where I live #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:09:14 I would argue that the microskills and strategy training always come in a tad late in the lesson #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:10:24 #ELTchat (remember hashtag :-) _ https://t.co/72pfz4ublx
teachingright 2017-02-01T19:10:25 RT @SueAnnan: I quite enjoy playing games where intonation is the key to understanding context. Can rebuild convos if understood #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:10:27 @kamilaofprague Really, why is that? I don't spend enough time on it. #eltchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:10:29 I've seen an interesting approach: teach/drill decoding a feature of con sp, then write comp qs about bits affected by the feature #eltchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:10:41 @SueAnnan yes it's a mystery to students here in Poland #eltchat
teachingright 2017-02-01T19:10:48 RT @SueAnnan: learning how the schwa works is paramount where I live #ELTchat
teachingright 2017-02-01T19:10:53 RT @Marisa_C: I would argue that the microskills and strategy training always come in a tad late in the lesson #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:12:00 I find that more effective - however does not take care of priming b4 listening - can it be used for that as well?… https://t.co/kaOqQZeyx9
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:12:05 @purlandtraining Yes. I teach  French sts. They can't keep up if you don't train it. MY first lesson: How to listen effectively  #ELTchat
aahk888 2017-02-01T19:12:11 RT @kateandkris2016: Check out our New Teacher Tales interview with Ciaran #teachingenglish in #Taiwan https://t.co/tWh68zf7OW  #eltchat #e…
AnthippiHarou 2017-02-01T19:12:12 To develop Ss' listening skills should start with creating a positive, stress-free atmoshere in class #eltchat.
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:12:13 @David__Boughton Yes! According to John Field (2009) and @richcauld microlistening activities help Ss decode phonological features #eltchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:12:32 I'd say there could be 2 shapes: diagnose and then do remedial microskills, or predict what mskill is needed and start from that #ELTchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:12:40 @Marisa_C yes the course book focus is usually reading and grammar focus #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:12:41 @kateandkris2016 @aahk888 sorry we are in the middle of a discussion #eltchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:13:05 @kateandkris2016 @aahk888 Please don't interrupt our #ELTChat for the next hour- or join in
kamilaofprague 2017-02-01T19:13:18 @David__Boughton bcs Ss often can't tell beginnings/ends of words. Prolly due to Czech context #eltchat
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:13:35 @DavinnaArtibey I haven't heard the term microlistening. Anyone have a link to a basic overview? Or a definition? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:13:36 CB listening often too dense and language focused yes #ELTchat https://t.co/qS1bbVopmF
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:13:41 @SueAnnan good idea! #eltchat
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:13:57 This! #eltchat https://t.co/CxPV209i7G
khanshahana30 2017-02-01T19:14:32 @AnthippiHarou yes agree #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:15:07 If you teach stress and Int from the beginning, it doesn't faze sts at all #ELTchat
teachingright 2017-02-01T19:15:54 RT @SueAnnan: If you teach stress and Int from the beginning, it doesn't faze sts at all #ELTchat
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:16:03 @David__Boughton It's from John Field's book Listening in the Language Classroom (2009) #eltchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:16:08 Please remember to use the #ELTChat hashtag to join in. Otherwise we can only see responses but no comments
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:16:12 I experienced that firsthand when first did a gapfill on glottal stop -felt a 'magnifying glass' directed at gl stop #ELTchat@DavinnaArtibey
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:16:15 RT @SueAnnan: Please remember to use the #ELTChat hashtag to join in. Otherwise we can only see responses but no comments
teachingright 2017-02-01T19:16:21 RT @SueAnnan: Please remember to use the #ELTChat hashtag to join in. Otherwise we can only see responses but no comments
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:17:18 Focus on just one feature seems to be key for skill building (but I haven't seen research that proves that). #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:17:50 @olyaelt I would agree. Little and often works best #ELTchat
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:18:06 @David__Boughton "micro-listening sessions where the T provides examples of specific aspects of language or pronunciation" (Field) #eltchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:18:25 Thanks! Will look into it #ELTChat https://t.co/XBe2D5FkD2
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:18:49 We were listening today to hear whether the speaker sounded polite or not #ELTchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:19:05 @olyaelt how did your ss get on with glottal stops? #ELTChat
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:19:18 @DavinnaArtibey Thanks, so microlistening is breaking down listening into skills like linking, reduced speech, etc? #eltchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:20:10 I created an training app for them and they say they feel progress after just a dzn gaps but that's with 1 accent #eltchat @purlandtraining
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:20:21 @SueAnnan what kind of text? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:20:21 Following that it's a good idea to get Ss to apply the training to a longer stretch of spoken lang #eltchat https://t.co/uy26j3eVOb
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:21:01 @olyaelt @purlandtraining Yes. That's another thing- working out accents. Always valuable to see what features cause probs #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:21:21 Jennie Wright @teflhelper did a week on our EVO on similar activities (e.g. what is the speaker not saying?) - loved them @SueAnnan #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:21:39 Ss can also help themselves with online apps like lyrics training - listening to songs enjoyable #eltchat but strategy not focused on
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:21:44 @David__Boughton #eltchat Yes. Ex. dictate phrases like behind me, first floor and next stop to help Ss hear elision of /d/ and /t/.
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:22:07 RT @DavinnaArtibey: @David__Boughton #eltchat Yes. Ex. dictate phrases like behind me, first floor and next stop to help Ss hear elision of…
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:22:08 Btw Renandya argues against strategy training activities with lower level learners #ELTchathttps://t.co/z9AZjMf0VZ @Marisa_C
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:22:28 @purlandtraining They were telephone calls in a customer services dept #ELTchat. The students did well and had sense of achievement at end
anniethomson78 2017-02-01T19:22:50 #ELTchat a 'test-teach-test' approach is useful, isn't it, to motivate learners on how the strategy/subskill helps them listen better
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:22:52 Lyrics training doesn't isolate and focus on just one feature of connected speech though. #ELTchat @Marisa_C
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:23:11 @olyaelt Thks i know - have read that one - but don't agree with the research #eltchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:23:37 @SueAnnan sounds great. It's well worth focusing on listening #eltchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:23:42 Interesting! Why not? #ELTchat @Marisa_C
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:24:04 @olyaelt We may move away from the isolating process - improving the skill also involved autonomy - Ss are not Ts #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:24:04 I had students at elem level working with Listening at advanced last week after M/skills work  #ELTChat
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:24:24 Great idea, @anniethomson78 ! #eltchat https://t.co/dYnYoIFCok
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:24:45 @olyaelt because we have seen it work with 100's of learners in our free classes #eltchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:25:18 @Marisa_C @olyaelt  I agree. Have seen similar here #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:25:23 After we work on decoding based on an authentic interview, we always watch a new bit for ss to assess progress #ELTchat @DavinnaArtibey
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:25:49 Listening with a song gapfill can be fun but doesn't help much with sentence stress #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:26:11 I think - to move away now from microskills training - Ss need large quantities of listening which not available in class #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:26:14 Which strategies do you recommend focusing on? #ELTchat @Marisa_C
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:26:21 @purlandtraining Yes it is paramount to being able to communicate in an Eng. spking environment like Jersey #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:26:53 @purlandtraining no it doesn't but improves sound discrimination, linking and accents awareness #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:27:15 @Marisa_C perhaps setting up visits outside school are useful too #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:27:22 @Marisa_C I agree. How does everyone encourage listening practice outside class? #eltchat
khanshahana30 2017-02-01T19:28:23 @Marisa_C You mean listening out of the class #ELTchat
tips4Russian 2017-02-01T19:28:32 @Marisa_C Agree; what kind of supports are most helpful for extra listening outside of class? #ELTChat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:28:32 @David__Boughton @Marisa_C  My sts are in Host families so listening happens all the time #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:28:36 @David__Boughton lists of listening online resources for people to use and complete a listening diary? #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:29:22 Provide guidance ('menu') what to do (resources&activities), regularly discuss what they do (in class) #ELTchat @David__Boughton @Marisa_C
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:29:25 @David__Boughton @Marisa_C watching tv, spending time with native speakers, when possible, radio, etc #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:29:33 @SueAnnan @David__Boughton that;s the ideal situation of course - but loads of listening available online #eltchat
AnthippiHarou 2017-02-01T19:30:03 @David__Boughton I use a symbaloo with resources- some of them include audio books to let my ss practice outside class #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:30:47 very true - guidance needed - where difference lies between skills use (what we do) and conscious strategy (trying… https://t.co/BTEx3QhITK
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:31:16 That's very effective practice #ELTchat https://t.co/KB9P1bsXsl
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:31:28 Oh lovely ! #eltchat - anyone else have central collection points or menus of activities https://t.co/bm7J6KNBSQ
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:32:05 #listeningEVO participants brought together a wealth of resources https://t.co/z5EY80et4X #ELTchat @Marisa_C
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:32:10 @Marisa_C @David__Boughton I understnd that my sts are well placed to listen externally. Podcasts or TEd talks great /can give gist #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:32:32 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan My favourite is music, whaever they like. The world is listening to more and more English-speaking pop music. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:32:45 Thanks! Loads of stuff worth sharing #ELTchat https://t.co/hZpHmCubtD
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:33:11 @David__Boughton mine too - how i improved my listening and pron #ELTchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:33:13 Thanks I'll check it out #eltchat https://t.co/qsYpaUpqfq
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:33:39 @David__Boughton I have NS friend who regularly mishears lyrics, so not sure I agree #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:34:29 I'd also argue for using natural (unscripted) conversations - pron is somewhat different #ELTchat @David__Boughton @Marisa_C @SueAnnan
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:35:15 @SueAnnan  I found students listening to English music improved much quicker than those still listening to music from "back home" #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:35:19 Ideally... #eltchat but tough to find stuff for early levels https://t.co/R5WXLFGt6O
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:35:41 E.g. interviews on Youtube (lots of subtitled chats here https://t.co/uutyGkZ5tu) #ELTchat @David__Boughton @Marisa_C @SueAnnan
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:35:47 @Marisa_C My Spanish exploded when I got into music. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:36:01 Don't forget the T is a great source of listening too #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:36:19 I think with new tools - may be what you created @olyaelt  - i still need to learn ur stuff -we can use PARTS of auth mats #eltchat snippets
aahk888 2017-02-01T19:36:23 Podcast is one of the tools that can be utilized to enhance listening #eltchat
teachingright 2017-02-01T19:36:48 RT @aahk888: Podcast is one of the tools that can be utilized to enhance listening #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:37:00 RT @David__Boughton: @Marisa_C My Spanish exploded when I got into music. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:37:44 @SueAnnan very true - so include lots of live listening as well as St 2 St interactive listening #eltchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:37:49 I'd love someone else to give it a try with lower levels and say how it went #ELTchat https://t.co/og2yhlkG0A @Marisa_C
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:38:10 My mistake was suggesting things I like for practice. For example, TedTalks are great for teachers, but boring for many others. #eltchat
eilymurphy 2017-02-01T19:38:29 @olyaelt @Marisa_C Hmmm, when S says "I must improve list", they assume =extensive, exposure, hours of TV shows and movies 1/2 #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:38:40 @olyaelt i will when i find time to learn it :-D  am travelling to Tehran next week but after that am game!!! #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:39:10 Yes finding out what ss listen to in L1 and then helping them find similar resources in L2 seems a good idea #ELTchat @David__Boughton
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:39:12 @aahk888 #eltchat Great! How do you utilize podcasts with your students? In class? As homework? Just a suggestion for extensive listening?
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:39:28 @eilymurphy i think that's where i treat Ss like teachers in training and we do the WHY bits which i do with my trainees #ELTchat
eilymurphy 2017-02-01T19:39:38 @olyaelt @Marisa_C 2/2 but when Ss demo extensive List vs decoding List with T  they prefer decoding #Eltchat true story from S today :)
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:39:40 @DavinnaArtibey @aahk888 I use them for all three #ELTchat
aahk888 2017-02-01T19:40:33 Podcast would yield Ss a chance to be exposed to an authentic stream of language #ELTChat
AnthippiHarou 2017-02-01T19:40:42 @olyaelt  It is a very good resource #eltchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:40:42 @Marisa_C storytelling is good for that #ELTchat
teachingright 2017-02-01T19:40:47 RT @aahk888: Podcast would yield Ss a chance to be exposed to an authentic stream of language #ELTChat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:40:48 But I'm still convinced they need both! #ELTchat There are way too many microskills to train all of them! @eilymurphy @Marisa_C
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:40:48 Combining pictures with sound can help contextualize listening practice, so video can be better than audio alone #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:41:11 One of the biggest probs i see in lessons observed is not lack of training but lack of attention on problems of listening #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:41:59 RT @olyaelt: But I'm still convinced they need both! #ELTchat There are way too many microskills to train all of them! @eilymurphy @Marisa_C
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:42:04 Yes, that's true #eltchat https://t.co/St0Wn7iKUW
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:42:06 @Marisa_C THink you also have to revisit attention regularly #ELTchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:43:13 @Marisa_C yes it's treated as a passive skill - something that students will just pick up naturally as if by osmosis #ELTchat
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:43:18 @Marisa_C #eltchat Yes! Field says listening lessons should be about process (diagnosing probs) not product (right answers to comp Qs).
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:43:33 @SueAnnan Ts get the right answers -- very little learning from failure #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:43:36 You also need to train tolerance for other accents. A st today was rude to another, saying she couldn't understnd! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:44:20 I think that's the best feature of a process orientation which we should do on autmatic pilot (Ts) #ELTchat https://t.co/EKQV33iJoK
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:44:31 I also love what Tomlinson says (the need to involve ss and encourage visual imaging, inner speech etc) #ELTchat @DavinnaArtibey @Marisa_C
aahk888 2017-02-01T19:44:40 Podcast can make Ss less anxious for they are free to choose the area of interest #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:45:10 @SueAnnan As soon as T gets right answer they move to getting the next right answer - little attention to weaker Ss #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:45:15 Visual imaging seems vital (lots of learners translate even at B1 level and higher! + can't remember #ELTchat @DavinnaArtibey @Marisa_C
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:45:33 @SueAnnan Saw it yesterday too. It's a defense mechanism I think."I understand English, but it's your accent that's the problem." #eltchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:45:35 @Marisa_C A place for some demand HIgh then? #ELTchat
eilymurphy 2017-02-01T19:45:38 @Marisa_C not mad abt TED(scripts but no dialogues) but Lingorank https://t.co/z2nbxxzYhs allows u to select speed/level down to A2 #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:45:50 @SueAnnan nyaaaaaa #ELTchat
Marko_Gooner 2017-02-01T19:46:03 Authentic material is fundamental in developing listening skills. Adapting is easy with high levels but what about the low ones? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:46:53 @SueAnnan Ok ok #eltchat yes - attention to process and development of conscious strategies #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:47:16 I find Lingorank useful, but their lists of CEFR vocabulary don't correspond to englishprofile at all. #ELTchat @eilymurphy @Marisa_C
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:48:01 @Marko_Gooner don't skimp on it. They need the authentic listening too. Just make it shorter #ELTchat
eilymurphy 2017-02-01T19:48:06 @olyaelt @Marisa_C really! good to know - TX #ELTchat  expected better :/
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:48:19 @eilymurphy  how does that help? Slowing down makes it a lang lesson not skills dev methinks #ELTchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:48:35 And the near constant use of idioms rather than dictionary language #ELTchat https://t.co/UOvHdz09cV
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:49:53 @purlandtraining indeed! i would do a lot more pre-teaching of key items on listening than on reading #eltchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:50:01 @purlandtraining @DavidBoughton  I just found it incredibly offensive #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:50:23 E.g. here https://t.co/pMdTqvT5j0 Amendment A2?? #ELTchat @eilymurphy @Marisa_C
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:51:09 @SueAnnan @purlandtraining @DavidBoughton  missed what u found offensive sorry - repeat pls? #ELTchat
eilymurphy 2017-02-01T19:51:09 @Marisa_C find resources! rather than ploughing thru 100s TED talks 2 find sth suitable for S level,site selects fast/slow speakers #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:51:43 @Marisa_C @purlandtraining @DavidBoughton Sts being rude about other accents in class #ELTchat No respect
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:52:02 Yes it really makes it easy to find slow speakers, which is fab #ELTchat @eilymurphy @Marisa_C
teachingright 2017-02-01T19:52:16 RT @aahk888: Podcast can make Ss less anxious for they are free to choose the area of interest #ELTchat
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:52:57 #eltchat Field's alternative to traditional list lesson: T non-intervention (not giving answers): Ss listen & re-listen, testing hypothesis
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:53:16 Comparing language profiles is useful esp. when syllabic meets stressed   #ELTchat
Marko_Gooner 2017-02-01T19:53:36 Listening tasks (especially in exam prep courses) require the best usage of 3/4 skills. Listening, reading and writing.  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:54:14 Sorry saving some of the links shared for my students - google docs or a table in a wiki are good for listening diaries #eltchat BTW
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:54:52 @Marisa_C They could just access the summary :-) LOL #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:55:15 I have not yet decided on this one - probably not so hot on it for listening - what do you think of subtitled videos? #ELTchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:55:28 Yes it's harder to isolate just listening practice #ELTchat https://t.co/OEskwNzEfM
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:55:52 @Marisa_C A bit of a crutch? #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:55:56 I prefer to have subs in order to make my life easier during decoding practice (e.g. to easily produce gapfills) #ELTchat @Marisa_C
eilymurphy 2017-02-01T19:57:01 gotta go but Tx all #ELTchat
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:57:37 Also with subs you can use tools that locate places where features of con spch are likely to occur using e.g. Aegisub 1/2 #ELTchat @Marisa_C
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:57:39 Coming to end of hour. Would someone like to volunteer to write summary after tomorrow? Please #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T19:57:40 @olyaelt agree how i feel too - more usefull for noticing language rather than skills development #ELTchat
dgarafalo 2017-02-01T19:58:12 RT @Marisa_C: Before our #eltchat do check out a previous summary with all sorts of online resources for listening https://t.co/k56vXSu7GH
olyaelt 2017-02-01T19:58:19 I did a tutorial on Aegisub last week. #ELTchat I find it indispensable for decoding work. https://t.co/uvyYCehc8C @Marisa_C
aahk888 2017-02-01T19:58:23 RT @AnthippiHarou: To develop Ss' listening skills should start with creating a positive, stress-free atmoshere in class #eltchat.
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T19:58:53 @SueAnnan #eltchat I will since it was my suggestion. Thanks for the great chat everyone!
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:58:57 RT @olyaelt: I did a tutorial on Aegisub last week. #ELTchat I find it indispensable for decoding work. https://t.co/uvyYCehc8C @Marisa_C
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T19:59:12 RT @Marisa_C: @olyaelt agree how i feel too - more usefull for noticing language rather than skills development #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T19:59:25 @DavinnaArtibey I'll wait until after slow burn to send transcript #ELTchat Thank you for offering
David__Boughton 2017-02-01T19:59:45 @Marisa_C I love them out of the class. If it makes movie more enjoyable, Ss more likely to watch. #eltchat
AnthippiHarou 2017-02-01T19:59:54 @olyaelt I tried it out and I think it has a great potential #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T20:00:09 @olyaelt lovely thanks - will check #ELTchat
purlandtraining 2017-02-01T20:00:09 Thanks it was really interesting and gave much food for thought #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T20:00:16 WE are now going to continue this chat in slow-burn mode for the next 24 hrs. Enjoy adding to the chat #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T20:01:44 @olyaelt I will use it for some research on microskills training as part of pre-listening and let u know #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2017-02-01T20:01:52 Thank you all for sharing ideas and links tonight. Looking forward to catching up again next week. NIght all #ELTchat
AnthippiHarou 2017-02-01T20:01:57 In class I also used this resource https://t.co/G2g84xLQQR and my ss were extremely engaged!#eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T20:04:38 @AnthippiHarou that looks interesting thanks #eltchat - doesn't include ongoing prediction but it sure does focus on some language and skill
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T20:05:41 @Marko_Gooner True - movies are too long anyway - i 'd try video clips in class #eltchat i think we need more video & less faceless audio
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T20:06:42 I think the time has come for me to love you and leave you - thanks for a smashing #eltchat!!! Come back next week!
AnthippiHarou 2017-02-01T20:07:59 Although tired - after a hard day, I really enjoyed tonight's #eltchat! Thx!
Marisa_C 2017-02-01T20:08:55 Me too Anthippi mou!!!! #eltchat lovely to have you! https://t.co/cgw38zIN1W
AnthippiHarou 2017-02-01T20:12:26 @olyaelt thanks for letting me know about tonight's #eltchat  relevant to our #ListeningEVO MOOC
DavinnaArtibey 2017-02-01T20:39:51 Great idea! #ELTchat https://t.co/s0veZPMnBJ
Chris_Fry_BCN 2017-02-01T20:51:48 @AnthippiHarou @David__Boughton #ELTchat my students borrowed graded readers with CDs (MP3) from my class library & listened to them at home
Chris_Fry_BCN 2017-02-01T21:00:52 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C #ELTchat I try to model the sort of speaking I want my students to do - e.g. a story about an accident - it's listening
ThisIsMattStott 2017-02-01T21:37:15 Depends. I've found EAP/higher level students more receptive to TED. Could be about relevance to student's own goal… https://t.co/6pmrXf42CF
ThisIsMattStott 2017-02-01T21:39:57 Not satisfied with simply suggesting extensive listening, and not convinced Ss readily apply class listening strategies to RL. #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-02-02T00:58:00 @kamilaofprague @David__Boughton not only a czech thing, many languages can't tell breaks between words #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-02-02T00:59:43 @SueAnnan agree, including linking in beginner phrases like 'I'm an engineer' and 'there are two apples' #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-02-02T01:02:53 @Marisa_C @David__Boughton don't @sandymillin and @LizziePinard have activities for that? Remember a flower to colour #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-02-02T01:03:59 @Marisa_C I use Edmodo for a bank of activities. Set first ones up as homework then let them go #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-02-02T01:05:24 @David__Boughton does depends on the topic and the talk. Some are dry and hard. #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-02-02T01:07:49 @Marisa_C yes, best 2get all possible answers from ss&then get them all 2 listen again&see which r right.always ask 4justification #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2017-02-02T01:09:18 @David__Boughton @SueAnnan I understand English, but you speak too fast/not clearly! #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2017-02-02T01:10:44 @DavinnaArtibey I love John Field's stuff too #ELTchat
kamilaofprague 2017-02-02T06:52:12 @olyaelt @David__Boughton Grading resources to level (CEFR here) also tricky #eltchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-02T07:01:40 @ThisIsMattStott No one can prove this really-even if we do introduce Ss 2 listening diaries, not sure that introspections accurate #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2017-02-02T07:02:44 RT @Chris_Fry_BCN: @AnthippiHarou @David__Boughton #ELTchat my students borrowed graded readers with CDs (MP3) from my class library & list…
olyaelt 2017-02-02T08:55:31 Have a look at these two posts by Lizzie Pinard https://t.co/SkmdBL58RJ https://t.co/0QCvp1ham4 #ELTchat @ThisIsMattStott
tesolmatthew 2017-02-02T08:58:51 A very nice resource for Ts on listening by @thornburyscott (OUP) supplementing his Natural English CB #ELTchat https://t.co/UUvgLqU20l
tesolmatthew 2017-02-02T09:07:14 @olyaelt @KateLloyd05 @Marisa_C @David__Boughton @sandymillin @LizziePinard is there pic somewhere?? #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2017-02-02T09:13:42 On #ELTchat topic of listening, this is from Thaine at https://t.co/LJzd0E7x5r  https://t.co/N8c5e2xkRR
MarcelaBerrioV 2017-02-02T09:19:18 The best way to improve listening: LyricsTraining, aslo fun for students and teachers #eltchat
olyaelt 2017-02-02T09:20:49 Have a look: https://t.co/CnvOfzZCdK #ELTchat @tesolmatthew @KateLloyd05 @Marisa_C @David__Boughton @sandymillin @LizziePinard
olyaelt 2017-02-02T09:21:21 RT @tesolmatthew: A very nice resource for Ts on listening by @thornburyscott (OUP) supplementing his Natural English CB #ELTchat https://t…
GreenwichElt 2017-02-02T10:02:51 RT @tesolmatthew: On #ELTchat topic of listening, this is from Thaine at https://t.co/LJzd0E7x5r  https://t.co/N8c5e2xkRR
getgreatenglish 2017-02-02T14:05:06 @DavinnaArtibey I love the micro listening ideas. Build decoding worth names etc. #ELTchat
sandymillin 2017-02-02T20:01:00 @David__Boughton @Marisa_C I use podcasts, with my student guide https://t.co/wvrtZmcdyj #eltchat

 

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