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Is deviating from the coursebook a sin- How do we convince or managers that it isn't

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SueAnnan 2016-09-21T17:59:16 who's ready for #ELTchat?
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:00:07 Moi! Hi Sue, great to back #eltchat https://t.co/1yLI7x25aS
teacherphili 2016-09-21T18:00:17 Good evening, @SueAnnan @Hada_ELT chatters, lurkers. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:00:39 @teacherphili @SueAnnan ..and a good evening to you #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:00:57 NIce to 'see' you Hada and Phil #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:02:02 I use my coursebook like a menu. That way students can learn what interests them, rather than just plodding through the book #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:02:12 ..and you @SueAnnan Good week teaching/training? Using course books? #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:02:38 @SueAnnan What do you mean like a menu? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:02:50 @Hada_ELT teaching, training on hold as numbers low this time round. #ELTChat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:03:28 @SueAnnan ..no doubt you're keeping busy..as we teachers know how to do ;) #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:03:42 Hi @SueAnnan and @Hada_ELT - looking forward to this week's topic :) #ELTchat
teacherphili 2016-09-21T18:03:48 It's been a while since I had to use a coursebook. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:04:18 Hi Teresa, great to 'see' you again #eltchat. https://t.co/VZy1krVTHU
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:04:47 @Hada_ELT offer the book and look at syllabus-topics, structures, functions. Then build plan, which might or might not use the book #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:04:47 @teacherphili Generally, in your experience, have you had to use it or was it optional? #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:05:04 @teacherphili What have you been using instead? And how do you feel about it? #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:05:27 @SueAnnan I see. We use Can-do statements which kind of do that and negotiate the content of the 6wk course #eltchat
teacherphili 2016-09-21T18:05:52 @Hada_ELT I have had to in the past. No choice.  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:06:01 @Hada_ELT Can do doesn't cover topics though #ELTchat
teacherphili 2016-09-21T18:06:24 @TeresaBestwick Been a while since I was in a real classroom  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:06:33 @SueAnnan I don't use it much. Not because I don't like it but because I try and adapt the content to my ss as much as poss #eltchat
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:06:40 Good afternoon all. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:06:43 Hello everyone - sorry to be late  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:06:57 @teacherphili How does that make you and the students feel? #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:06:58 @teacherphili Do you do a lot of online teaching? #ELTchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:07:24 RT @Hada_ELT: Join us in 50 mins for #ELTchat on this: 'Following a course book is still big in some countries & deviation sin. How can Ts…
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:07:58 I think adapting the coursebook to the sts needs is best. Authentic mat. can be used to supplement #ELTchat
teacherphili 2016-09-21T18:08:01 @Hada_ELT Didn't really question it. Would've been chosen by the DOS or equivalent  #ELTchat
teacherphili 2016-09-21T18:08:25 @TeresaBestwick I have been online teaching more recently, yes  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:09:03 @SueAnnan No you're right. I don't follow the topics as often they have nothing to do with my ss #eltchat
jonjoTESOL 2016-09-21T18:09:20 RT @Marisa_C: Hello everyone - sorry to be late  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:09:26 @teacherphili @TeresaBestwick One of the prime issues in online is being able to work w/o a CB #Eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:09:36 @cbsiskin Good evening Claire. Thanks for joining us Afternoon? Where are you based? #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:10:07 Do your learners buy coursebooks? Our adults don't, so easy to adapt syllabus to their needs and copy from various sources #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:10:22 @teacherphili Yes, I worked on some courses like that too. I did s/times feel a bit stifled tho #eltchat
teacherphili 2016-09-21T18:10:36 Indeed. No course book at all.  Creating own lessons was good. @Marisa_C #ELTchat @TeresaBestwick
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:10:39 @TeresaBestwick Yes I agree #ELTChat
sheena1667 2016-09-21T18:10:52 Good evening everyone  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:11:13 #ELTchat https://t.co/lpzgCkUzLH
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:11:21 But, flipside, some adults prefer the solidity of a c/b and felt they had clearer goals and focus #ELTchat
ELTchat 2016-09-21T18:11:25 Hello all - we are talking about problems with DOSes and supers who want Ts to follow CB BLINDLY - not how to ADAPT a course book  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:11:41 @TeresaBestwick Mine get given a c/book at the beg of term. We have a number of units designated but don't HAVE to use the bk #eltchat
ELTchat 2016-09-21T18:11:55 Come into my @nuprh channel here https://t.co/2URUvAerZI and relax abt the hashtag #ELTchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:12:23 @Hada_ELT Any complaints if c/b isn't used? Money poorly spent from learners' point of view? #ELTchat
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:12:29 So what are the advantage of using a coursebook? #eltchat?
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:12:31 @TeresaBestwick Yes I agree, but if the course aims are discussed periodically, it's usually ok I think #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:12:41 So how do you deal with bad attitutes abt deviations from the coursebook?  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:13:10 I think most ppl tonight are OK with or without a CB - no?  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:13:24 Often there is no choice as CB is proscribed  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:13:31 @TeresaBestwick I get round that by always pointing to the page I 'should have' taught from & tell them it's ext. work if they want #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:13:48 @Hada_ELT Ha ha - nice idea :) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:13:51 @Marisa_C Yes #ELTchat
sheena1667 2016-09-21T18:14:07 @SueAnnan I agree with you Sue using authentic materials makes my lessons interesting #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:14:09 @cbsiskin less work for the teacher. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:14:45 @cbsiskin Good question.#eltchat What do you think they are?
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:14:47 Advantage 2 - extras ready in case T works an unholy schedule  #ELTchat
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:14:56 @Hada_ELT  I live in the U.S., but I'm working for a few months in Mexico. It's a little after noon here. #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:15:48 @cbsiskin Nice! I'm based in Saudi at the mo and it's past 9pm #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:16:02 @David__Boughton @cbsiskin Very true (both fortunately and unfortunately!) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:16:02 I think they make a good skeleton to built a course on #ELTchat
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:16:24 @Hada_ELT  If it's a decent coursebook, it provides organization. #eltchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:16:39 @cbsiskin Advantages? Design, consistency, syllabus, recycling, music/video/digital, saves you time (sounding like an ad here). #ELTchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:16:51 Good coursebooks effectively build on previous units' linguistic input #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:17:00 Some theme based units always recycle language if syllabus of this ilk  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:17:05 I like that @TeresaBestwick #eltchat. Unfortunately is more the case than not in my experience #eltchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:17:42 @cbsiskin good for new teachers #eltchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:18:14 @SueAnnan Totally - the magic happens when teachers take them and make them their/their students' own. Personalisation everything. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:18:21 Modern coursebooks seem to take on board better teaching ideas #ELTchat
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:18:26 important resource for new/inexperienced teachers. #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:18:34 Dangers with CBs is feeling we MUST complete all the exercises and tasks.. with time constraints diff to see real learning #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:19:26 @cbsiskin Yes, and can be useful for newer  Ts who would struggle finding suitable material #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:19:50 Our topic is "Deviation from the CB seen as a sin. How can Ts deal with this?" So how can we empower Ts against bosses? Arguments?  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:20:00 @cbsiskin snap :) #eltchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:20:08 @David__Boughton @cbsiskin And for teachers who aren't confident speakers of English themselves. #ELTchat
teacherphili 2016-09-21T18:20:12 I've not had many issues with DoS blindly insisting i follow it.  Most DoS I've had have been fairly flexible #ELTchat
jonjoTESOL 2016-09-21T18:20:32 How important do you feel it is to always get the latest editions of CB? Do they keep it relevant in culture and language? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:20:39 @teacherphili But many Ts do - which is what this topic is about  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:20:43 Help students by using real material?  #ELTchat
sheena1667 2016-09-21T18:20:51 Provide good support for new teachers  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:20:58 as an argument, I mean #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:21:02 @SueAnnan They are getting better definitely. The trouble is for us Ts, when using the same CBs for a few years #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:21:33 @Hada_ELT sure. But don't you update from time to time? #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:21:43 @patjack67 @cbsiskin absolutely! I couldn't imagine telling international EFL teachers to just wing it. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:21:57 If the school doesn't have their own curriculum, then using a CB can help I guess - it provides some sort of framework #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:22:40 @SueAnnan yeah...same CB just new ed. So much of the same really. Then again, we're allowed to sway so no prob really #eltchat
jonjoTESOL 2016-09-21T18:22:55 @Hada_ELT Usually the CB *is* the curriculum! haha #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:23:55 @jonjoTESOL Sadly too often indeed! And that really says something abt lang schools. A can of worms there, best stayed closed #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:24:46 @jonjoTESOL Which culture? #eltchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:24:56 We  complain about CBs, but wouldn't we agree they know more than 99% of teachers? Is it overconfidence making us stray from book? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:24:57 Adaptation/supplementation v important for richer L2 acquisition  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:25:20 @David__Boughton @patjack67 @cbsiskin What do you mean by 'international'? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:25:22 @David__Boughton very often it's boredom - not the right reason of course  #ELTchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:25:40 @David__Boughton @cbsiskin Self-belief is a dangerous thing. #ELTchat I suffered from it for many years!
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:25:52 @jonjoTESOL  I think it depends on the book. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:25:59 CB's written in ONE country often not very good for Ss in anOTHER country  #ELTchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:26:07 RT @Marisa_C: CB's written in ONE country often not very good for Ss in anOTHER country  #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:26:49 @Hada_ELT @patjack67 @cbsiskin sorry, bad word choice. I meant teachers still working on their own English. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:27:06 Trying very hard to steer the conversation back into the question the topic asks - but having a rather hard time here :-D  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:27:08 @Marisa_C  very true about the books from one country being not good for another. No cultural references #ELTchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:27:22 @Marisa_C Yup. Although publishers of bells and whistles course don't REALLY want to say that out loud. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:27:36 @David__Boughton @patjack67 @cbsiskin What abt those for who Eng is the L1 but are not very qualified? #eltchat
jonjoTESOL 2016-09-21T18:27:38 Who sees deviation of the CB as a sin? Fellow teachers or students who want to work their way through the CB? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:27:39 Getting ur nose stuck into a CB is bad for young pupils  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:28:00 @jonjoTESOL we are talking abt bosses and DOSes  #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:28:09 @Marisa_C yep, that got me lots of times. #ELTchat
sheena1667 2016-09-21T18:28:10 @Marisa_C Culture difference #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:28:39 @jonjoTESOL possibly also parents - know of interfering and meddlesome so and so's in my context compaining why exercises skipped  #ELTchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:28:56 @Marisa_C You need a sheepdog, Marisa! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:29:16 @patjack67 i considered going to bed  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:29:21 :-D #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:29:28 @Hada_ELT @patjack67 @cbsiskin same too. I taught straight from a book for the first year. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:29:29 Heads up is better than heads down, and nose in a book #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:29:31 @jonjoTESOL Thetrouble is whn this is the case of the Academic Director IMO. Whether Ts want to deviate or not is ok. Choice is key #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:30:20 So we need to educate the powers that be - another good argument is loss of pupil motivation with too much CB work  #ELTchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:30:35 @SueAnnan True, though it does give quieter learners time for reflection (and teacher a break from loud, excitable learners!) #ELTchat
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:30:35 @Hada_ELT @David__Boughton @patjack67  In those cases, it's especially nice if the CB is accompanied by a teachers' manual. #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:30:36 @David__Boughton @patjack67 @cbsiskin Yes, it defy helps newer Ts. I remember really enjoying adapting my lessons str8 from the CB #eltchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:30:45 @Hada_ELT @David__Boughton @cbsiskin I was one of them and winged it for years to the detriment of my students. #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:31:02 Hi all, I'm from India and this topic is quite relevant here. Steering away from CB is often considered a sin. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:31:12 @cbsiskin @David__Boughton @patjack67 Absolutely. That can really help them #eltchat.
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:31:33 @jonjoTESOL  Deviation not a sin!  #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:31:39 @cbsiskin @David__Boughton @patjack67 Absolutely. That can really help them #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:31:46 @sadeqaghazal  Who decides which coursebook you have to use? #ELTchat
DavinnaArtibey 2016-09-21T18:32:31 @sadeqaghazal a sin by parents, students, teachers, DOSs, all? Have you seen any teachers successfully steer away from the CB? #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:32:38 @patjack67 @David__Boughton @cbsiskin I think many of us were and that's when they're a God send! Eep with the T's book hehe #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:33:43 @TeresaBestwick @SueAnnan A bit of this and a bit of that ;) #eltchat
jonjoTESOL 2016-09-21T18:34:11 @DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal I was lucky to have huge control over my choice of lessons - too much choice for a new CELTA teacher! #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:34:16 Most schools choose a CB from a publisher which pays them well.  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:34:16 The CBs themselves follow the curriculum set by any of the three central boards of India. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:34:41 @sadeqaghazal Hi Sadeqa, thanks for joining us. How do you feel abt that? #eltchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:34:44 The teacher certainly has to say the least in the choice of CB #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:34:58 @sadeqaghazal  are you able to adapt them at all? #ELTchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:35:19 @DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal Parents a particular issue on this one (with YLs obv.) Why did we buy this book you never used? Tsk! #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:35:45 @DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal Away from book is easy, but sin (for boss) is it results in steering away from curriculum too. #eltchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:35:54 I don't think it's fair to the teacher or the students. Often there is lack of time to complete all the lessons in CB. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:35:58 I once taught a course in a local uni here where all 14 sections had to follow the same book, units etc to standardise testing. #eltchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:36:06 Even if the lessons are not relevant.  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:36:34 @sadeqaghazal WHat's the reason of the school for doing it this way? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:36:49 Yes. Relevance is very important for sts #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:37:02 Hi @Hada_ELT , I'm in favour of giving more autonomy to the teachers as well as the stduents. #ELTchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:37:11 I used to work in an academy that gave you a list of the exercises from workbook you couldn't do...everything else was done #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:37:24 @sadeqaghazal really? I missed that boat choosing books for my schools. Does that happen?#eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:37:40 Would like to add a scary / shocked / upset face to that! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:37:40 @TeresaBestwick why could you not do them? #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:37:48 @sadeqaghazal Why do u think most schools in India don't? #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:38:17 @SueAnnan @TeresaBestwick Same question? #eltchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:38:20 @SueAnnan (Ridiculous, unnecessary) standardisation #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:38:30 It makes standardized testing easier. In a certain school where I worked, there was the issue of control by the admin. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:39:06 @sadeqaghazal Welcome - there are many schools in Greece and they behave EXactly in the same way  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:39:06 @David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal Oh we get the same reps here in Saudi Arabia! Fortunately I no longer work in those schools #eltchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:39:26 @patjack67 @DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal  I find adult students angrier when they buy a book and don't use it. #eltchat
patjack67 2016-09-21T18:39:38 @sadeqaghazal @Hada_ELT Age group? Class size? School size? In many teaching environments that autonomy not feasible. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:40:05 @David__Boughton Yes. That is a risk. WE don't sell books to sts and then are more free to pick and choose #ELTchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:40:15 There's definitely an issue of control from higher levels - lack of trust in Ts' abilities? @sadeqaghazal @SueAnnan @Hada_ELT  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:40:18 @David__Boughton Yes, parents won't be happy if a book is bought but not used much. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:40:33 @patjack67 @DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal I used to hear this frm parents in int'l schools 2. Worse is when u see the size of the CB #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:40:36 @Hada_ELT we need to remember that the luxury of trusting your teachers and allowing them choice is not true everywhere  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:40:39 Here, they get angry if a single lesson is not completed.  #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:40:45 @Hada_ELT @sadeqaghazal but what do they do? More than just volume discounts? #eltchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:41:37 @TeresaBestwick Yes, there is a lack of trust but also the desire to control is there. #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:41:57 @Marisa_C Indeed but at least trusting the Acad Director since they hold the post. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:42:56 @Hada_ELT @Marisa_C  The Acad. director isn't always the best at deciding IMHO #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:42:59 What is problematic is that it often results in speaking and listening skills being neglected.  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:44:10 @David__Boughton Sorry, could you please explain that?  #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:44:17 @SueAnnan @Hada_ELT @Marisa_C why not? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:44:36 In my context, many schools have invited me to give talks to the parents - i.e. an external 'expert'  brought in to 'help'  #ELTchat
TeresaBestwick 2016-09-21T18:44:42 Sorry, must dash...great chat tongiht and wonderfully happy my timetable this year accommodates #ELTchat
DavinnaArtibey 2016-09-21T18:44:54 What about having negotiated syllabus conversations with students then sharing the results with those who think deviation is a sin? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:45:10 @David__Boughton  It depends on whether they teach as well #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:45:27 @David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal Here is a matter of discounts but also delivery delays and privileges of some sort #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:45:29 @DavinnaArtibey if the ss are adults, makes sense; not when the 'sponsor' is a parent  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:45:29 @DavinnaArtibey That's a great idea.  #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:45:42 @sadeqaghazal I'm curious about publishers paying schools. I have never heard of that. #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:46:06 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Not alone certainly but if the Ts aren't and they aren't, who is? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:46:13 RT @Marisa_C: @DavinnaArtibey if the ss are adults, makes sense; not when the 'sponsor' is a parent  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:46:15 @David__Boughton Here it's a common practice. Some schools change publishers every year. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:46:30 another idea that has worked well here is articles translated into the mother tongue of the parents  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:46:46 i used to write them for an association for FL schools  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:47:17 @David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal you innocent man - many schools get commission  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:47:58 @Marisa_C Exactly! #ELTchat
cbsiskin 2016-09-21T18:48:09 @DavinnaArtibey Good idea! #eltchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:48:55 @Marisa_C @David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal ..and gifts and..and.. That's how they get their monopoly. #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:49:22 @Marisa_C @sadeqaghazal sure, commissions, of course. We did that. I was imagining publishers paying lump sums for contracts. #eltchat
sheena1667 2016-09-21T18:49:33 @David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal Yes they do so #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:49:52 @sadeqaghazal Why don't you get together with colleagues to translate some key passages in your language - distribute to parents #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:50:06 @cbsiskin @DavinnaArtibey I do that all the time and review it throughout the course. It helps in so many ways. Def good practice #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:50:08 @David__Boughtonam sure this happens too  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:50:14 @Marisa_C Why would that help? #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:51:00 @Marisa_C Thanks. How has this practice helped in your context? #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:51:30 @Marisa_C I guess I never had enough students to get wined and dined like that. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:51:54 @sadeqaghazal In some cases it has, not a sure fire guarantee - e.g. some parents DON"t read but still think they know best #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:52:35 @sadeqaghazal It also helps the school at registration time to show WHY they teach like they do etc  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:52:36 Not sure this is relevant here but the problem in my context is that 'completing' CBs results into more writing activity.  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:52:57 Speaking and listening skills often go neglected. #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:53:11 Is that the case in other contexts? #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:53:21 @sadeqaghazal ..and gap fills no doubt! Any time to reflect, create, practise? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:53:45 @sadeqaghazal A modern coursebook usually integrates ALL the skills  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:54:01 @Marisa_C Thanks. It makes sense.  #ELTchat
Hada_ELT 2016-09-21T18:54:05 @sadeqaghazal Not here. Our problem in this region is more Reading and Writing #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:54:47 @SueAnnan - Yeah, they do. But the admin and parents would rather prefer to have more written works.  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:54:48 In Greece publishers had a field day asking parents to buy 5-6 books per student - just to keep T and Ss BUSY!!!!  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:55:03 Now not so much money knocking around any more :-D  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:55:20 Oh the benefits of an economic crisis are often unexpected  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-09-21T18:55:46 That's horrendous @Marisa_C It's blatant profiteering #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:55:50 @sadeqaghazal @SueAnnan of course- because reading and writing have more 'face'  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T18:55:56 @Marisa_C Much similar to India. Here 2-3 books of some noticeable volume are the norm.  #ELTchat
David__Boughton 2016-09-21T18:56:20 @Marisa_C a topic for another day? Where did all the money go? Lol #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-09-21T18:59:01 Who suggested the topic? Can we twist their arm to write the summary?  #ELTchat
sadeqaghazal 2016-09-21T19:03:38 @Marisa_C I'd have volunteered but this is the first time I participated. No idea how to go about it. #ELTchat


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