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| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T17:59:16 |
who's ready for #ELTchat? |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:00:07 |
Moi! Hi Sue, great to back #eltchat https://t.co/1yLI7x25aS |
| teacherphili |
2016-09-21T18:00:17 |
Good evening, @SueAnnan @Hada_ELT chatters, lurkers. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:00:39 |
@teacherphili @SueAnnan ..and a good evening to you #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:00:57 |
NIce to 'see' you Hada and Phil #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:02:02 |
I use my coursebook like a menu. That way students can learn what interests them, rather than just plodding through the book #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:02:12 |
..and you @SueAnnan Good week teaching/training? Using course books? #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:02:38 |
@SueAnnan What do you mean like a menu? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:02:50 |
@Hada_ELT teaching, training on hold as numbers low this time round. #ELTChat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:03:28 |
@SueAnnan ..no doubt you're keeping busy..as we teachers know how to do ;) #eltchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:03:42 |
Hi @SueAnnan and @Hada_ELT - looking forward to this week's topic :) #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
2016-09-21T18:03:48 |
It's been a while since I had to use a coursebook. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:04:18 |
Hi Teresa, great to 'see' you again #eltchat. https://t.co/VZy1krVTHU |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:04:47 |
@Hada_ELT offer the book and look at syllabus-topics, structures, functions. Then build plan, which might or might not use the book #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:04:47 |
@teacherphili Generally, in your experience, have you had to use it or was it optional? #eltchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:05:04 |
@teacherphili What have you been using instead? And how do you feel about it? #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:05:27 |
@SueAnnan I see. We use Can-do statements which kind of do that and negotiate the content of the 6wk course #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2016-09-21T18:05:52 |
@Hada_ELT I have had to in the past. No choice. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:06:01 |
@Hada_ELT Can do doesn't cover topics though #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
2016-09-21T18:06:24 |
@TeresaBestwick Been a while since I was in a real classroom #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:06:33 |
@SueAnnan I don't use it much. Not because I don't like it but because I try and adapt the content to my ss as much as poss #eltchat |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:06:40 |
Good afternoon all. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:06:43 |
Hello everyone - sorry to be late #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:06:57 |
@teacherphili How does that make you and the students feel? #eltchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:06:58 |
@teacherphili Do you do a lot of online teaching? #ELTchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:07:24 |
RT @Hada_ELT: Join us in 50 mins for #ELTchat on this: 'Following a course book is still big in some countries & deviation sin. How can Ts… |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:07:58 |
I think adapting the coursebook to the sts needs is best. Authentic mat. can be used to supplement #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
2016-09-21T18:08:01 |
@Hada_ELT Didn't really question it. Would've been chosen by the DOS or equivalent #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
2016-09-21T18:08:25 |
@TeresaBestwick I have been online teaching more recently, yes #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:09:03 |
@SueAnnan No you're right. I don't follow the topics as often they have nothing to do with my ss #eltchat |
| jonjoTESOL |
2016-09-21T18:09:20 |
RT @Marisa_C: Hello everyone - sorry to be late #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:09:26 |
@teacherphili @TeresaBestwick One of the prime issues in online is being able to work w/o a CB #Eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:09:36 |
@cbsiskin Good evening Claire. Thanks for joining us Afternoon? Where are you based? #eltchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:10:07 |
Do your learners buy coursebooks? Our adults don't, so easy to adapt syllabus to their needs and copy from various sources #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:10:22 |
@teacherphili Yes, I worked on some courses like that too. I did s/times feel a bit stifled tho #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2016-09-21T18:10:36 |
Indeed. No course book at all. Creating own lessons was good. @Marisa_C #ELTchat @TeresaBestwick |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:10:39 |
@TeresaBestwick Yes I agree #ELTChat |
| sheena1667 |
2016-09-21T18:10:52 |
Good evening everyone #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:11:13 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/lpzgCkUzLH |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:11:21 |
But, flipside, some adults prefer the solidity of a c/b and felt they had clearer goals and focus #ELTchat |
| ELTchat |
2016-09-21T18:11:25 |
Hello all - we are talking about problems with DOSes and supers who want Ts to follow CB BLINDLY - not how to ADAPT a course book #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:11:41 |
@TeresaBestwick Mine get given a c/book at the beg of term. We have a number of units designated but don't HAVE to use the bk #eltchat |
| ELTchat |
2016-09-21T18:11:55 |
Come into my @nuprh channel here https://t.co/2URUvAerZI and relax abt the hashtag #ELTchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:12:23 |
@Hada_ELT Any complaints if c/b isn't used? Money poorly spent from learners' point of view? #ELTchat |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:12:29 |
So what are the advantage of using a coursebook? #eltchat? |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:12:31 |
@TeresaBestwick Yes I agree, but if the course aims are discussed periodically, it's usually ok I think #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:12:41 |
So how do you deal with bad attitutes abt deviations from the coursebook? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:13:10 |
I think most ppl tonight are OK with or without a CB - no? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:13:24 |
Often there is no choice as CB is proscribed #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:13:31 |
@TeresaBestwick I get round that by always pointing to the page I 'should have' taught from & tell them it's ext. work if they want #eltchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:13:48 |
@Hada_ELT Ha ha - nice idea :) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:13:51 |
@Marisa_C Yes #ELTchat |
| sheena1667 |
2016-09-21T18:14:07 |
@SueAnnan I agree with you Sue using authentic materials makes my lessons interesting #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:14:09 |
@cbsiskin less work for the teacher. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:14:45 |
@cbsiskin Good question.#eltchat What do you think they are? |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:14:47 |
Advantage 2 - extras ready in case T works an unholy schedule #ELTchat |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:14:56 |
@Hada_ELT I live in the U.S., but I'm working for a few months in Mexico. It's a little after noon here. #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:15:48 |
@cbsiskin Nice! I'm based in Saudi at the mo and it's past 9pm #eltchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:16:02 |
@David__Boughton @cbsiskin Very true (both fortunately and unfortunately!) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:16:02 |
I think they make a good skeleton to built a course on #ELTchat |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:16:24 |
@Hada_ELT If it's a decent coursebook, it provides organization. #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:16:39 |
@cbsiskin Advantages? Design, consistency, syllabus, recycling, music/video/digital, saves you time (sounding like an ad here). #ELTchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:16:51 |
Good coursebooks effectively build on previous units' linguistic input #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:17:00 |
Some theme based units always recycle language if syllabus of this ilk #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:17:05 |
I like that @TeresaBestwick #eltchat. Unfortunately is more the case than not in my experience #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:17:42 |
@cbsiskin good for new teachers #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:18:14 |
@SueAnnan Totally - the magic happens when teachers take them and make them their/their students' own. Personalisation everything. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:18:21 |
Modern coursebooks seem to take on board better teaching ideas #ELTchat |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:18:26 |
important resource for new/inexperienced teachers. #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:18:34 |
Dangers with CBs is feeling we MUST complete all the exercises and tasks.. with time constraints diff to see real learning #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:19:26 |
@cbsiskin Yes, and can be useful for newer Ts who would struggle finding suitable material #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:19:50 |
Our topic is "Deviation from the CB seen as a sin. How can Ts deal with this?" So how can we empower Ts against bosses? Arguments? #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:20:00 |
@cbsiskin snap :) #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:20:08 |
@David__Boughton @cbsiskin And for teachers who aren't confident speakers of English themselves. #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
2016-09-21T18:20:12 |
I've not had many issues with DoS blindly insisting i follow it. Most DoS I've had have been fairly flexible #ELTchat |
| jonjoTESOL |
2016-09-21T18:20:32 |
How important do you feel it is to always get the latest editions of CB? Do they keep it relevant in culture and language? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:20:39 |
@teacherphili But many Ts do - which is what this topic is about #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:20:43 |
Help students by using real material? #ELTchat |
| sheena1667 |
2016-09-21T18:20:51 |
Provide good support for new teachers #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:20:58 |
as an argument, I mean #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:21:02 |
@SueAnnan They are getting better definitely. The trouble is for us Ts, when using the same CBs for a few years #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:21:33 |
@Hada_ELT sure. But don't you update from time to time? #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:21:43 |
@patjack67 @cbsiskin absolutely! I couldn't imagine telling international EFL teachers to just wing it. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:21:57 |
If the school doesn't have their own curriculum, then using a CB can help I guess - it provides some sort of framework #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:22:40 |
@SueAnnan yeah...same CB just new ed. So much of the same really. Then again, we're allowed to sway so no prob really #eltchat |
| jonjoTESOL |
2016-09-21T18:22:55 |
@Hada_ELT Usually the CB *is* the curriculum! haha #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:23:55 |
@jonjoTESOL Sadly too often indeed! And that really says something abt lang schools. A can of worms there, best stayed closed #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:24:46 |
@jonjoTESOL Which culture? #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:24:56 |
We complain about CBs, but wouldn't we agree they know more than 99% of teachers? Is it overconfidence making us stray from book? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:24:57 |
Adaptation/supplementation v important for richer L2 acquisition #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:25:20 |
@David__Boughton @patjack67 @cbsiskin What do you mean by 'international'? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:25:22 |
@David__Boughton very often it's boredom - not the right reason of course #ELTchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:25:40 |
@David__Boughton @cbsiskin Self-belief is a dangerous thing. #ELTchat I suffered from it for many years! |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:25:52 |
@jonjoTESOL I think it depends on the book. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:25:59 |
CB's written in ONE country often not very good for Ss in anOTHER country #ELTchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:26:07 |
RT @Marisa_C: CB's written in ONE country often not very good for Ss in anOTHER country #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:26:49 |
@Hada_ELT @patjack67 @cbsiskin sorry, bad word choice. I meant teachers still working on their own English. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:27:06 |
Trying very hard to steer the conversation back into the question the topic asks - but having a rather hard time here :-D #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:27:08 |
@Marisa_C very true about the books from one country being not good for another. No cultural references #ELTchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:27:22 |
@Marisa_C Yup. Although publishers of bells and whistles course don't REALLY want to say that out loud. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:27:36 |
@David__Boughton @patjack67 @cbsiskin What abt those for who Eng is the L1 but are not very qualified? #eltchat |
| jonjoTESOL |
2016-09-21T18:27:38 |
Who sees deviation of the CB as a sin? Fellow teachers or students who want to work their way through the CB? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:27:39 |
Getting ur nose stuck into a CB is bad for young pupils #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:28:00 |
@jonjoTESOL we are talking abt bosses and DOSes #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:28:09 |
@Marisa_C yep, that got me lots of times. #ELTchat |
| sheena1667 |
2016-09-21T18:28:10 |
@Marisa_C Culture difference #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:28:39 |
@jonjoTESOL possibly also parents - know of interfering and meddlesome so and so's in my context compaining why exercises skipped #ELTchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:28:56 |
@Marisa_C You need a sheepdog, Marisa! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:29:16 |
@patjack67 i considered going to bed #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:29:21 |
:-D #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:29:28 |
@Hada_ELT @patjack67 @cbsiskin same too. I taught straight from a book for the first year. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:29:29 |
Heads up is better than heads down, and nose in a book #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:29:31 |
@jonjoTESOL Thetrouble is whn this is the case of the Academic Director IMO. Whether Ts want to deviate or not is ok. Choice is key #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:30:20 |
So we need to educate the powers that be - another good argument is loss of pupil motivation with too much CB work #ELTchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:30:35 |
@SueAnnan True, though it does give quieter learners time for reflection (and teacher a break from loud, excitable learners!) #ELTchat |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:30:35 |
@Hada_ELT @David__Boughton @patjack67 In those cases, it's especially nice if the CB is accompanied by a teachers' manual. #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:30:36 |
@David__Boughton @patjack67 @cbsiskin Yes, it defy helps newer Ts. I remember really enjoying adapting my lessons str8 from the CB #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:30:45 |
@Hada_ELT @David__Boughton @cbsiskin I was one of them and winged it for years to the detriment of my students. #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:31:02 |
Hi all, I'm from India and this topic is quite relevant here. Steering away from CB is often considered a sin. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:31:12 |
@cbsiskin @David__Boughton @patjack67 Absolutely. That can really help them #eltchat. |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:31:33 |
@jonjoTESOL Deviation not a sin! #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:31:39 |
@cbsiskin @David__Boughton @patjack67 Absolutely. That can really help them #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:31:46 |
@sadeqaghazal Who decides which coursebook you have to use? #ELTchat |
| DavinnaArtibey |
2016-09-21T18:32:31 |
@sadeqaghazal a sin by parents, students, teachers, DOSs, all? Have you seen any teachers successfully steer away from the CB? #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:32:38 |
@patjack67 @David__Boughton @cbsiskin I think many of us were and that's when they're a God send! Eep with the T's book hehe #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:33:43 |
@TeresaBestwick @SueAnnan A bit of this and a bit of that ;) #eltchat |
| jonjoTESOL |
2016-09-21T18:34:11 |
@DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal I was lucky to have huge control over my choice of lessons - too much choice for a new CELTA teacher! #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:34:16 |
Most schools choose a CB from a publisher which pays them well. #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:34:16 |
The CBs themselves follow the curriculum set by any of the three central boards of India. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:34:41 |
@sadeqaghazal Hi Sadeqa, thanks for joining us. How do you feel abt that? #eltchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:34:44 |
The teacher certainly has to say the least in the choice of CB #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:34:58 |
@sadeqaghazal are you able to adapt them at all? #ELTchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:35:19 |
@DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal Parents a particular issue on this one (with YLs obv.) Why did we buy this book you never used? Tsk! #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:35:45 |
@DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal Away from book is easy, but sin (for boss) is it results in steering away from curriculum too. #eltchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:35:54 |
I don't think it's fair to the teacher or the students. Often there is lack of time to complete all the lessons in CB. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:35:58 |
I once taught a course in a local uni here where all 14 sections had to follow the same book, units etc to standardise testing. #eltchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:36:06 |
Even if the lessons are not relevant. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:36:34 |
@sadeqaghazal WHat's the reason of the school for doing it this way? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:36:49 |
Yes. Relevance is very important for sts #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:37:02 |
Hi @Hada_ELT , I'm in favour of giving more autonomy to the teachers as well as the stduents. #ELTchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:37:11 |
I used to work in an academy that gave you a list of the exercises from workbook you couldn't do...everything else was done #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:37:24 |
@sadeqaghazal really? I missed that boat choosing books for my schools. Does that happen?#eltchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:37:40 |
Would like to add a scary / shocked / upset face to that! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:37:40 |
@TeresaBestwick why could you not do them? #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:37:48 |
@sadeqaghazal Why do u think most schools in India don't? #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:38:17 |
@SueAnnan @TeresaBestwick Same question? #eltchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:38:20 |
@SueAnnan (Ridiculous, unnecessary) standardisation #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:38:30 |
It makes standardized testing easier. In a certain school where I worked, there was the issue of control by the admin. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:39:06 |
@sadeqaghazal Welcome - there are many schools in Greece and they behave EXactly in the same way #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:39:06 |
@David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal Oh we get the same reps here in Saudi Arabia! Fortunately I no longer work in those schools #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:39:26 |
@patjack67 @DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal I find adult students angrier when they buy a book and don't use it. #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
2016-09-21T18:39:38 |
@sadeqaghazal @Hada_ELT Age group? Class size? School size? In many teaching environments that autonomy not feasible. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:40:05 |
@David__Boughton Yes. That is a risk. WE don't sell books to sts and then are more free to pick and choose #ELTchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:40:15 |
There's definitely an issue of control from higher levels - lack of trust in Ts' abilities? @sadeqaghazal @SueAnnan @Hada_ELT #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:40:18 |
@David__Boughton Yes, parents won't be happy if a book is bought but not used much. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:40:33 |
@patjack67 @DavinnaArtibey @sadeqaghazal I used to hear this frm parents in int'l schools 2. Worse is when u see the size of the CB #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:40:36 |
@Hada_ELT we need to remember that the luxury of trusting your teachers and allowing them choice is not true everywhere #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:40:39 |
Here, they get angry if a single lesson is not completed. #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:40:45 |
@Hada_ELT @sadeqaghazal but what do they do? More than just volume discounts? #eltchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:41:37 |
@TeresaBestwick Yes, there is a lack of trust but also the desire to control is there. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:41:57 |
@Marisa_C Indeed but at least trusting the Acad Director since they hold the post. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:42:56 |
@Hada_ELT @Marisa_C The Acad. director isn't always the best at deciding IMHO #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:42:59 |
What is problematic is that it often results in speaking and listening skills being neglected. #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:44:10 |
@David__Boughton Sorry, could you please explain that? #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:44:17 |
@SueAnnan @Hada_ELT @Marisa_C why not? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:44:36 |
In my context, many schools have invited me to give talks to the parents - i.e. an external 'expert' brought in to 'help' #ELTchat |
| TeresaBestwick |
2016-09-21T18:44:42 |
Sorry, must dash...great chat tongiht and wonderfully happy my timetable this year accommodates #ELTchat |
| DavinnaArtibey |
2016-09-21T18:44:54 |
What about having negotiated syllabus conversations with students then sharing the results with those who think deviation is a sin? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:45:10 |
@David__Boughton It depends on whether they teach as well #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:45:27 |
@David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal Here is a matter of discounts but also delivery delays and privileges of some sort #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:45:29 |
@DavinnaArtibey if the ss are adults, makes sense; not when the 'sponsor' is a parent #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:45:29 |
@DavinnaArtibey That's a great idea. #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:45:42 |
@sadeqaghazal I'm curious about publishers paying schools. I have never heard of that. #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:46:06 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C Not alone certainly but if the Ts aren't and they aren't, who is? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:46:13 |
RT @Marisa_C: @DavinnaArtibey if the ss are adults, makes sense; not when the 'sponsor' is a parent #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:46:15 |
@David__Boughton Here it's a common practice. Some schools change publishers every year. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:46:30 |
another idea that has worked well here is articles translated into the mother tongue of the parents #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:46:46 |
i used to write them for an association for FL schools #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:47:17 |
@David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal you innocent man - many schools get commission #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:47:58 |
@Marisa_C Exactly! #ELTchat |
| cbsiskin |
2016-09-21T18:48:09 |
@DavinnaArtibey Good idea! #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:48:55 |
@Marisa_C @David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal ..and gifts and..and.. That's how they get their monopoly. #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:49:22 |
@Marisa_C @sadeqaghazal sure, commissions, of course. We did that. I was imagining publishers paying lump sums for contracts. #eltchat |
| sheena1667 |
2016-09-21T18:49:33 |
@David__Boughton @sadeqaghazal Yes they do so #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:49:52 |
@sadeqaghazal Why don't you get together with colleagues to translate some key passages in your language - distribute to parents #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:50:06 |
@cbsiskin @DavinnaArtibey I do that all the time and review it throughout the course. It helps in so many ways. Def good practice #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:50:08 |
@David__Boughtonam sure this happens too #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:50:14 |
@Marisa_C Why would that help? #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:51:00 |
@Marisa_C Thanks. How has this practice helped in your context? #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:51:30 |
@Marisa_C I guess I never had enough students to get wined and dined like that. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:51:54 |
@sadeqaghazal In some cases it has, not a sure fire guarantee - e.g. some parents DON"t read but still think they know best #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:52:35 |
@sadeqaghazal It also helps the school at registration time to show WHY they teach like they do etc #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:52:36 |
Not sure this is relevant here but the problem in my context is that 'completing' CBs results into more writing activity. #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:52:57 |
Speaking and listening skills often go neglected. #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:53:11 |
Is that the case in other contexts? #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:53:21 |
@sadeqaghazal ..and gap fills no doubt! Any time to reflect, create, practise? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:53:45 |
@sadeqaghazal A modern coursebook usually integrates ALL the skills #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:54:01 |
@Marisa_C Thanks. It makes sense. #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
2016-09-21T18:54:05 |
@sadeqaghazal Not here. Our problem in this region is more Reading and Writing #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:54:47 |
@SueAnnan - Yeah, they do. But the admin and parents would rather prefer to have more written works. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:54:48 |
In Greece publishers had a field day asking parents to buy 5-6 books per student - just to keep T and Ss BUSY!!!! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:55:03 |
Now not so much money knocking around any more :-D #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:55:20 |
Oh the benefits of an economic crisis are often unexpected #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-09-21T18:55:46 |
That's horrendous @Marisa_C It's blatant profiteering #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:55:50 |
@sadeqaghazal @SueAnnan of course- because reading and writing have more 'face' #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T18:55:56 |
@Marisa_C Much similar to India. Here 2-3 books of some noticeable volume are the norm. #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2016-09-21T18:56:20 |
@Marisa_C a topic for another day? Where did all the money go? Lol #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-09-21T18:59:01 |
Who suggested the topic? Can we twist their arm to write the summary? #ELTchat |
| sadeqaghazal |
2016-09-21T19:03:38 |
@Marisa_C I'd have volunteered but this is the first time I participated. No idea how to go about it. #ELTchat |
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