| username |
utc date |
status |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:06 |
hi #ELTchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:06 |
@angelos_bollas #ELTChat I am - Adele from Israel |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:06 |
@AdeleRaemer Hi Adele - we're about to start #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:06 |
@naomishema Hiya! #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:07 |
#eltchat How do we ensure that students have a ‘sense of progress’, especially in General English classes? |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:07 |
@naomishema Hi Naomi! #ELTchat |
| ELTchat |
6/22/2016 18:07 |
Here's this week's topic - Join us #ELTchat https://t.co/Ftdkw9eHZ0 |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:07 |
Hi Angelos, Naomi & Adèle #ELTchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:08 |
@GlenysHanson Hi Glenys!#ELTChat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:08 |
So - the person who proposed the topic is not around, right? #ELTchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:09 |
#ELTChat Just got home from a day packed with PBL. This will be a nice way to round it up! |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:09 |
@AdeleRaemer Sounds exciting! :) #ELTchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:09 |
@angelos_bollas Oops... who proposed it? #ELTchat |
| sheena1667 |
6/22/2016 18:09 |
#ELTchat is it started? |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:09 |
Hi all, Pete here in Bangkok #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:09 |
My first question would be: why do students need to have a 'sense of progress?' #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:10 |
@eltplanning Welcome, Pete! #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:10 |
@angelos_bollas I'm here yes! #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:11 |
@eltplanning glad you made it ;) #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:11 |
Why? That ties in with all the talk nowadays about GRIT. Students without it who don't clearly see progress stop working #ELTchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:11 |
@angelos_bollas #ELTChat 1)They have been trained over time 2) who doesn't like positive feedback?! |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:11 |
Very true! #ELTchat https://t.co/tMB0LFH5zV |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:12 |
@angelos_bollas Is GRIT an acronym or just "grit"? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:12 |
@AdeleRaemer Is it about feedback or about training them so as to be able to track their own progress? #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:12 |
As a learner, if I don't feel I'm making progress, I stop going to the class. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:13 |
@GlenysHanson It happened to me, too, this year with Italian lessons #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:13 |
it's important for students to know what they are learning and how they are improving. It's a key aspect of learner autonomy #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:13 |
How progress is measured by the T or the Ss depends on the type of course it si. #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:13 |
grit is a buzzword now for perservance, long term, either as a good thing or a something way overrated #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:14 |
How do you mean that, Glenys? #ELTchat https://t.co/QfhmQ3f54Q |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:14 |
@angelos_bollas Why did you feel you weren't making progress? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:14 |
Absolutely - how do you measure it, though? #ELTchat How do the SS measure it? https://t.co/cOoq4lqvFY |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:15 |
I find visual charts to be helpful for somethings. my high school students use markers & see colums get taller #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
6/22/2016 18:15 |
#ELTchat what's the topic? |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:15 |
@GlenysHanson No - and the T was asking me to participate in discussions that I wouldn't even comprehend - let alone contribute #ELTchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:15 |
WIll be right back #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:16 |
@angelos_bollas Well, if you're preparing for TOEFL, TOEIC or similar, your improving test scores on pratice tests 1/2 #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:16 |
@naomishema personalised for each student? each skill? etc? #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:16 |
is GRIT a growth mindset thing? never heard the acronym #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:16 |
@SueAnnan Hello and happy birthday from here, too! :) #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:17 |
@SueAnnan how SS get a sense of progress and how they measure it #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:17 |
@eltplanning not an acronym #eltchat looking for some links, just a minute |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:17 |
@angelos_bollas But if you're learning to be more fluent it's more tricky - you have to be in real life sits - or sim in classroom. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:18 |
@GlenysHanson Sometimes they cannot tell - esp when using graded tests - some get demotivated with those #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
6/22/2016 18:18 |
If you record them at the start and then later....? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:18 |
I like the real life situations bit - so get a sense of progress because they can do things they couldn't #ELTchat https://t.co/5VNKmkYwQk |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:19 |
Grit from the supporter's points of view https://t.co/BOo9jf1WfG #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:19 |
Never thought about that but I like it a lot!! #ELTchat https://t.co/OrXoumAfkO |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:19 |
Hi #eltchat, how about looking at before&after or keep track of tasks they can do? |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:20 |
@kamilaofprague Hi Kamila - welcome :) #ELTchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:20 |
@SueAnnan Yeah, I was just saying that. Anyone tried? #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:20 |
@kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas That's where personalized charts work really well! #ELTchat |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 18:21 |
#Reading #text from #Whatsapp project 4 #EFL Ss #edtech #edchat #mlearning #ELTchat #esl #ukedchat #IsraEd https://t.co/bYbrpgAtVZ |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:21 |
@naomishema @angelos_bollas what are they? #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:21 |
the obvious answer is assessment I guess. But I feel its more about fostering a 'sense of progress' rather than measuring it 1/2 #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
6/22/2016 18:21 |
Sorry. Thought I could join this but the delay in spotty internet is horrible #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:22 |
signposting lesson stages is something I've been doing a lot more recently, so students know what they achieve from each stage 2/2 #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
6/22/2016 18:22 |
@sigardit did you forget that #Eltchat is happening now. Please don' t post if not relevant |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:23 |
@SueAnnan Recoding at beginning and at intervals is great. Also giving same dictation (not corrected) at start & end of course. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:23 |
@eltplanning but is the same as getting a sense of progress? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:24 |
I am a secret fan of dictation tasks! #ELTchat https://t.co/GL007u3fhF |
| SueAnnan |
6/22/2016 18:24 |
@GlenysHanson I like that idea. Some of my students wouldn't even recognize it the 2nd time #Eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:24 |
@eltplanning agree - we want to make our SS less assessment-oriented, right? #ELTchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:24 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan You mean for spelling? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:25 |
@SueAnnan @GlenysHanson None of mine would recognise it ;) #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:25 |
@eltplanning i used to have feedback discussions on the topic. In their native language if very low level. #ELTchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:25 |
@angelos_bollas @eltplanning Sense of progress esp. relevant with 1-1 classes, where it can be really vague. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:26 |
Useful idea: using SS' L1 when in low levels to discuss their progress #ELTchat https://t.co/6PhwZcle8x |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:26 |
one chart. Progress till completion : They have 6 lit. pieces to learn. Ss mark, Have read, answered Qs, done creative work, etc #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:26 |
@naomishema so, is it more like a checklist? #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:26 |
@kamilaofprague @SueAnnan At the end the students compared their 2 versions and corrected themselves: alone, in groups. #ELTchat |
| studiomentals |
6/22/2016 18:27 |
Hi #ELTchat, progress in lg is a tricky thing. It usually comes way too late than market expects. Ts need to lie. Time's on their side. |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:27 |
@angelos_bollas I think so. learners can self-assess their ability to meet stage aims. 'progress' and 'achievement' seem linked #eltchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:27 |
other chart: personal progress. Vocab flashcard, mark number remembered each lesson. see column grow #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:27 |
@kamilaofprague @eltplanning I would think in 1-1 lessons, sense of progress is more obvious, no? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:28 |
@studiomentals Could you explain please? What do you mean 'than market expects'? and why 'Ts need to lie'? #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:28 |
@angelos_bollas some are like checklists but it helps to see they are reaching the goal needed. #ELTchat Checklists are powerful! |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:29 |
Hello everyone - sorry to be late - will try to catch up #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:29 |
@naomishema @angelos_bollas Especially if Ss create their own checklists for their individual proglems. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:29 |
@eltplanning Not sure - I am able to do a gist task (e.g.) in Italian without making any progress #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:29 |
@naomishema Is there any app for that? #ELTchat (with charts, not badges) |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:30 |
@GlenysHanson interesting. At my centre we've bn thinking re: the language we use during feedback. Do you use any specific phrases? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:30 |
@naomishema and do they complete the charts or the T? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:30 |
@GlenysHanson @naomishema That would be ideal #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:30 |
@kamilaofprague @eltplanning please, do not forget the #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:31 |
@eltplanning Do you feel you're making progress? How to you know? Give some examples? #ELTchat |
| studiomentals |
6/22/2016 18:31 |
@angelos_bollas adults come to cls coz they need lg fast. We know there's no fast way, but have to lie to motivate, like doctors do #eltchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:32 |
@angelos_bollas The students complete the charts, has to be Students! #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:32 |
@angelos_bollas @naomishema And very effective! #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:32 |
@angelos_bollas don't mean constant assessment at each stage. students need to be aware how each stage contributes to whole aim #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:32 |
If an exam class, I guess easier - an exam grades progress tracker not impossible to create #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:32 |
@studiomentals I am not sure I agree - As a learner, I can tell if making progress so, if my T lies... I would go to another one. #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:33 |
@angelos_bollas @kamilaofprague @eltplanning Or use Nurph - it put it in for you. :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:33 |
I used to give them the same placement test at start and end of course (version one and two) Oxford Placement Test #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:34 |
RT @Marisa_C: I used to give them the same placement test at start and end of course (version one and two) Oxford Placement Test #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:34 |
@Marisa_C I also used to show the same (very short) film at beginning & end of course. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:34 |
It's also I think a question of how course objectives are described - if only structural doesn't work #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:35 |
But if behavioural and according to some standards, easier to measure progrss #eltchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:35 |
Got called away - hard to catch up #ELTChat sorry |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:35 |
@angelos_bollas my general English classes are task led so input is like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle for final task. 1/2 #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:36 |
@eltplanning that makes sense, then #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:36 |
i think similar thinks about lexis acquired over a course that's an indicator of progress as well #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:36 |
@Marisa_C I agree. Progress in grammar or vocabulary doesn't nec mean better writing or speaking in the real world. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:36 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C true #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:37 |
@angelos_bollas I feel like knowledge of the methodology is important for students recognising progress #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:37 |
@GlenysHanson I think more for vocab much less for grammar #eltchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:37 |
BIG prob with some Ss is although they ARE progressing compared to beginning , they r still to weak to sit 4 national exam #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:37 |
Also, different to realise progress when in country where Eng is main land for communication to a country where it is not #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:38 |
@kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas how do you encourage such dialogue from your learners? #eltchat |
| e_languages |
6/22/2016 18:38 |
RT @americantesol: 15 Web Tools and Apps for Learning with Mind Maps https://t.co/wYQOR77CUF #esl #tefl #EFL #ellchat #eltchat #edtech http… |
| studiomentals |
6/22/2016 18:38 |
@angelos_bollas only if ss don't trust the t. If the T inspires trust, it'll blind ss for a while till they make actual progress #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:38 |
@naomishema progress and success in exams not the same I think #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:39 |
@Marisa_C It depends on objective of course. Some tests demand a lot of vocab but it's not always nec to get by in real life orally #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:39 |
@GlenysHanson but aside from your exploratory questions, how do you give direct feedback regarding progress? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:39 |
@angelos_bollas I know that,U all know that, tell that 2 my weak special ed high school students! #ELTchat I work very hard on that message |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:40 |
@naomishema whoops - tough context #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:41 |
@eltplanning Ss & I used to write summaries at the end of each session. The look back - what was difficult earlier has become easy. #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:41 |
@angelos_bollas what gives you a 'sense of progress'? Do you see accumulating vocab and structures as progress as its 'tangible'? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:41 |
Blogging is also good for SS to track own progress - e.g. SS compare first and current post #ELTchat |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 18:42 |
I agree with the fact that progress in lg takes time... it's not seen right away. #eltchat https://t.co/Ca2SFsG5i1 |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:42 |
@GlenysHanson Wasn't summary writing time consuming? or did u use a set format each lesson? I'm sure powerful message to Ss #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:42 |
@eltplanning for me it's real life use but it depends on Ls context/needs/etc. I think #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:43 |
@GlenysHanson so you draw attention to this at the start of class? Do you do any specific activities for this? #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:43 |
@eltplanning @angelos_bollas As I've said above, No. Used to have Ss who had tons of vocab & grammar rules but but couldn't speak. #ELTchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:44 |
@eltplanning @angelos_bollas 1xmonth we talk about what has been achieved and how happy they are with classes. #eltchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:45 |
#ELTChat Optimally, at the end of every lesson I try to elicit from Ss what they know now that they didn't know at the start of the lesson. |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 18:45 |
Blogging is also very creative and a great way to show progress. Great way 4 alternative assessment #eltchat https://t.co/sPBIVwBjwt |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:45 |
@angelos_bollas we have a drive at the moment to help students realise they are progressing re: skills and functional ability 2/2 #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:45 |
@eltplanning @angelos_bollas I'd say so. My Ss love looking at their own progress in Quizlet. Lexis is important. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:46 |
@sigardit nice idea - so memorisation not necessarily a good indicator of progress but ability to use is #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:47 |
@eltplanning @naomishema At start Ss wanted t to write down every word said. I said wait till end of session. Took abt 10 mins. #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:47 |
@GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas this is interesting. How do you raise awareness of progress in skills, besides testing? #eltchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:47 |
@sigardit What types of blogging do they do? How do you start them off? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:47 |
does anyone use task achievement as an indicator of progess - e,g, by the end of the course you will be able to ...(task) #eltchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:48 |
@kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas what methods do you use to highlight progress in skills (besides testing)? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:48 |
give diplomas every time my deaf Ss tripled amount of words they remembered at flashcard station. kid whoknew 9 words got one too! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:48 |
@eltplanning @kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas self assessment? reviewing a recording from an early speaking activity? Old homework? #eltchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:48 |
@naomishema Nice :-) #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:49 |
@kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas do learners record these achievements in any way? #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:49 |
@eltplanning @angelos_bollas Std wd say:" I understood a song, an add, a tourist speaking English" Became more noticing of Eng. #ELTchat |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 18:49 |
RT @kamilaofprague: @eltplanning @angelos_bollas I'd say so. My Ss love looking at their own progress in Quizlet. Lexis is important. #eltc… |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 18:50 |
As usual, lots of food for thought here #ELTChat Mostly abt imp of raising self-awareness, I think. |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 18:50 |
The use of many digital tools can help show progress but they require training #Eltchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:51 |
@Marisa_C @kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas What are your preferred approaches to self-assessment re: receptive skills? #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:52 |
@eltplanning @angelos_bollas I used to do spreadsheets for them in 1-1 but too much xtra work.I feel ss should be encrged to do it. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:52 |
Sometimes TIME can be an indicator of prog. Ss must write short letter 4 exam. at first took them half an hour , now 15 minutes #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:52 |
@eltplanning @Marisa_C @kamilaofprague For low levels, I like Can-Do statements/checklists #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:53 |
@kamilaofprague @eltplanning Of course they should - it's their job, isn't it? #ELTchat |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 18:53 |
Memorisation is good but ability to use what was taught in a new way is evidence of progress #eltchat https://t.co/tVTSRXjYZS |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:54 |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @kamilaofprague do you add 'will do' statements to encourage further review/consolidation? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:55 |
In presessional course of certain university, SS are tested on how many words they can read per minute (!) #ELTchat https://t.co/v73cKErws9 |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:56 |
@eltplanning @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Exam clss-track scores.Others-go by feeling (we read books&it's easier) Listening-not sure #eltchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 18:56 |
@angelos_bollas I would hate being tested on reading words per minute! #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:56 |
@eltplanning No, but I like the idea - I do it at the gym (lol) #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:56 |
@naomishema Me too!!! #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 18:56 |
@angelos_bollas Crikey! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:56 |
We are well used to models of training where a tutorial is followed by stocktaking and action points - do this with learners #eltchat |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 18:57 |
Real progress can be seen when students are able to produce good projects that require research and perform well in authentic tasks #Eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 18:57 |
@angelos_bollas @eltplanning Hehe, indeed! :-) #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:57 |
@sigardit not all SS interested in research - plus not applicable to low levels, I think #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:57 |
but to do this course objectives need to be public, well expressed and meaningful to Ss (to measure up against) #eltchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:58 |
@angelos_bollas ha, here's hoping I 'WILL DO' my run tomorrow morning! #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 18:58 |
Also, Ts should know how to help SS reach objectives (and how to break them down into steps) #ELTchat https://t.co/HcVZrjic4S |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 18:59 |
@kamilaofprague @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas yeah I'm not sure with reading and listening, very hard to self-assess #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 18:59 |
@eltplanning will and can dos are very useful #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 19:00 |
@eltplanning @kamilaofprague @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Really? When I could read Emile Zola I knew I'd made a lot of progress in Fr #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 19:01 |
fast-track #ELTchat came to an end. In slow-burn mode until tomorrow ;) Thanks to those who were here and to the ones that will join soon |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 19:01 |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C BREAKING DOWN INTO STEPS! so very important! #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 19:01 |
@Marisa_C deciding how to encourage autonomy and foster 'sense of progress' on/in materials I'm about to write. Useful tips today #eltchat |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 19:02 |
This is for higher levels. Lower levels show progress by producing/writing/singing the new vocab acquired #eltchat https://t.co/fr7TWw7Oy3 |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 19:02 |
@GlenysHanson good point - may be they could pick their own goals and test self against #eltchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 19:02 |
@GlenysHanson @eltplanning @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Love that! But how did you convince your T? ;-) #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 19:03 |
@GlenysHanson @eltplanning @kamilaofprague @Marisa_C tehehe - some lit though is tough regardless of lang prof #ELTchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 19:04 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson Very fond of this. Very learner-centered.#eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 19:04 |
@kamilaofprague @eltplanning @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas My teacher was me - she was pretty proud of me. #ELTchat |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 19:05 |
@angelos_bollas #eltchat you are right. Lower levels can express opinions, change ending of a short story, add a sentence to a poem etc. |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 19:08 |
@angelos_bollas Thank you. Lovely chat this one has been. #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 19:08 |
@kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas I agree but felt a bit limited by the 140 characters. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
6/22/2016 19:10 |
#eltchat nite nite everyone! :) |
| kamilaofprague |
6/22/2016 19:11 |
@GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas Me too, a bit. As if my words were different to my thoughts. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
6/22/2016 19:12 |
@kamilaofprague With pleasure! #eltchat is a great way to meet interesting teachers to follow! |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 19:12 |
Thank you all - please feel free to say anything else which you think might add to the discussion - going slow burn now #eltchat |
| eltplanning |
6/22/2016 19:12 |
@kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas @GlenysHanson thanks all, agreed. Hard to articulate in 140 characters. Thanks for the ideas #eltchat |
| sigardit |
6/22/2016 19:14 |
RT @sigardit: Which #Chrome extensions and add on do you use for #EFL Ss? #ELTchat #edutech #mlearning? |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 19:16 |
Have we got anyone who is willing to do the summary of this topic #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 19:17 |
@SueAnnan will collect the transcript tomorrow evening and share here (I hope cos she is on hol) #ELTchat |
| tesolmatthew |
6/22/2016 19:33 |
@angelos_bollas #ELTchat mayb 'sense of progress' important bc lang skill is performative, tied 2 affect, self-image...as is learn.process |
| Marisa_C |
6/22/2016 19:37 |
@tesolmatthew productive skills 'performed' -hence, observable- receptive skls more difficult to observe #ELTchat |
| AdeleRaemer |
6/22/2016 19:43 |
@angelos_bollas #ELTchat in my mind, it's about"nothing succeeds like success". If they see improvement, achievement, that's a motivator |
| MakeBelieveArts |
6/22/2016 20:09 |
In the early years language is really helped in storytelling and acting... #ELTchat @ELTchat https://t.co/5VytG1RG0E https://t.co/V9FL48i65H |
| MakeBelieveArts |
6/22/2016 20:12 |
... Progress in this personal learning is seen in how their stories develop creatively and their #vocabulary expands. @ELTchat #ELTchat |
| genevieve_EFL |
6/22/2016 20:25 |
@angelos_bollas Int and ext motivation to learn mean the reqment to progress is inevitable. Why come to class if not to progress?#ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
6/22/2016 21:01 |
@TalkenEnglish @mntesoljournal @COABEnews Couldn't find https://t.co/xcddarjMgq What's the article called? #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 22:21 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan I can collect it too #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 22:30 |
We're still chatting abt Ss & ways of measuring their progress on this week's #slowburn #ELTchat. One side of the planet must be up, are u? |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 22:31 |
RT @tesolmatthew: @angelos_bollas #ELTchat mayb 'sense of progress' important bc lang skill is performative, tied 2 affect, self-image...as… |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 22:34 |
Only if the Ss have grasped the vocab and struct & are able to try using them (albeit not always correctly) #eltchat https://t.co/ZN0NqXc8TN |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 22:35 |
@eltplanning @kamilaofprague @angelos_bollas Post-reading and listening discussions are great indicators. Especially over time #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 22:38 |
#grit scale - would you use this and if yes, how? If no, why? https://t.co/6YU7bwj7RC #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 22:44 |
Is it important that our Ss are able to gauge their own progress? How do you promote this in your class? #eltchat @hartle @mercedesviola |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 22:50 |
'True #Grit: The Best Measure of Success and How to Teach It' by @edutopia has some interesting links @coolcatteacher #ELTchat |
| BrunoELT |
6/22/2016 23:04 |
Get Learners Moving With Mobile Devices: “Learning is not the product of teaching. Learning is ... https://t.co/7iv0lhD293 #elt #eltchat |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 23:24 |
Emile Zola is definitely great progress! I get that feeling when I start understanding radio broadcast #eltchat https://t.co/wyF7FWvMmH |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 23:26 |
@naomishema @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Essential to retain motivation. Small achievable steps with regular reflection on progress #ELTchat |
| Hada_ELT |
6/22/2016 23:26 |
RT @naomishema: @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C BREAKING DOWN INTO STEPS! so very important! #ELTchat |
| tesolmatthew |
6/23/2016 0:37 |
@Marisa_C that's a good point. The Q re 'sense' of progress makes me think of Underhill - his ideas re: "seeing learning" #ELTchat |
| tesolmatthew |
6/23/2016 0:40 |
@Marisa_C oops no #ELTchat hashtag there |
| tesolmatthew |
6/23/2016 0:44 |
#ELTchat the concept of "resultative motivation" is on my Mt. Rushmore (Top 4) corethings that help me be better T! https://t.co/9NCfIwAah6 |
| tesolmatthew |
6/23/2016 0:47 |
@Marisa_C so, getting feedback AND prompts to reflect on it, to process, appreciate, "apply" it would be important to fuel Ss #ELTchat |
| eltplanning |
6/23/2016 2:21 |
@davidjslbunker I suggested the topic of 'sense of progress' for the #ELTchat this week. Some interesting ideas. On slowburn now |
| angelos_bollas |
6/23/2016 3:01 |
I like this a lot! #ELTchat https://t.co/ux6pSWcDIN |
| angelos_bollas |
6/23/2016 3:01 |
RT @AdeleRaemer: @angelos_bollas #ELTchat in my mind, it's about"nothing succeeds like success". If they see improvement, achievement, that… |
| Marisa_C |
6/23/2016 5:48 |
Good morning #ELTchat friends - on slow burn today, continuing our discussion on 'sense of progress' for Ss |
| Marisa_C |
6/23/2016 5:51 |
We talked abt recordings yesterday -some voice tools great for that' can go back and review one's progress #ELTchat Voicethread, Voxopop gr8 |
| wanderingELT |
6/23/2016 6:10 |
RT @studiomentals: Hi #ELTchat, progress in lg is a tricky thing. It usually comes way too late than market expects. Ts need to lie. Time's… |
| wanderingELT |
6/23/2016 6:28 |
Great #ELTchat today! Lots of interesting ideas I've never tried. I generally use can-do checklist to show progress https://t.co/2DhQDvJBPB |
| wanderingELT |
6/23/2016 6:30 |
With beginners got great results by giving same list task at beginning & end of course. They were amazed #ELTchat https://t.co/XRMVxXlJ8U |
| wanderingELT |
6/23/2016 6:32 |
Used recordings w/ exam prep, worked really well, ss could hear improvement and felt confident 4 exam #ELTchat https://t.co/s2BgKePi2N |
| Marisa_C |
6/23/2016 7:05 |
@wanderingELT I love that look of amazement on ss' faces when they 'see' their own progress :-) #eltchat |
| GregBCurran |
6/23/2016 7:09 |
Here's me with my ELL students. We've got quite a story to tell https://t.co/bts89iMrep | #tesoloz #eltchat #auselt https://t.co/nFb83xeW8G |
| AnthonyGaughan |
6/23/2016 7:11 |
Sounds a bit of a stretch to link (language) learning to proprioception; have a ref. for that, please? #ELTchat https://t.co/OWtlMr94sn |
| GlenysHanson |
6/23/2016 7:13 |
@Hada_ELT All the ppl I've met with excellent vocab in Eng/Fr got it thru extensive reading. Willing to bet that's how #eltchat ppl did too. |
| st3ph007 |
6/23/2016 7:16 |
RT @GregBCurran: Here's me with my ELL students. We've got quite a story to tell https://t.co/bts89iMrep | #tesoloz #eltchat #auselt https:… |
| TeachingEnglish |
6/23/2016 7:19 |
#ESL #EFL #TESOL #ELTchat https://t.co/k1srT1yEBm |
| SueAnnan |
6/23/2016 8:24 |
@Hada_ELT @Marisa_C feel free Hada. I'm away until Friday evening and the Internet is spotty here. I couldn't even manage much of #eltchat |
| eltplanning |
6/23/2016 8:39 |
@AnthonyGaughan I saw a mention of this on @Adriund blog, and there's this vid https://t.co/2YIYEMr6rh #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
6/23/2016 9:48 |
@Marisa_C I assume you have spoken about how beginners find it easy to recognise progress but less easy at higher levels #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
6/23/2016 9:50 |
@AdeleRaemer @angelos_bollas Yes and I suppose this can be reading a first article in a newspaper with support, then on own #ELTchat |
| kamilaofprague |
6/23/2016 10:27 |
RT @wanderingELT: Used recordings w/ exam prep, worked really well, ss could hear improvement and felt confident 4 exam #ELTchat https://t… |
| Hada_ELT |
6/23/2016 11:04 |
@wanderingELT do ur Ss learn how to use them themselves. I used to give my Ss a copy & negotiate some of them & check @ end of term #eltchat |
| wanderingELT |
6/23/2016 11:16 |
@Hada_ELT 1/2 we usually add items as we go along, eg today we practice retelling a story, so they add to checklist. #eltchat |
| wanderingELT |
6/23/2016 11:17 |
@Hada_ELT 2/2 then through course (eg be4 Christmas) we go through it and Ss see how & what they remember #eltchat |
| wanderingELT |
6/23/2016 11:20 |
Definitely. I find at higer levels some Ss lack self confidence & need to be reminded of progress made #eltchat https://t.co/oEbznC5g14 |
| Hada_ELT |
6/23/2016 12:23 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C Does progress slow down or is it just less obvious? IMO the latter. With prod skills comparing old/new helps #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/23/2016 16:25 |
@PatrickAndrews No- we didn't actually talk abt levels but agree It's that dreaded intermediate plateau+ diff to see progress #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
6/23/2016 16:26 |
@Hada_ELT @patrickelt No idea - not sure an area researched or easy to for that matter unless costly longitudinal study #ELTchat |
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