| User Name |
Universal Time Stamp |
Text |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:18:45 |
How can teacher training programs change to reflect recent research on how languages are learned? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:18:56 |
What new skills & strategies should be taught to trainees? #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:19:26 |
#ELTchat Ok, we're on! what's the topic? |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:20:11 |
I think this is a great topic - not just for teacher trainers but for colleagues out there who can share ideas #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:21:05 |
@BobK99 @GlenysHanson it transpires that we are on NoW ... @^@ #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T11:21:39 |
I think it's the reference to BST that causes the confusion. Experience tells me sticking with GMT/UTC is the simplest solution. #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:21:41 |
#ELTchat - have to admit I'm not sure what new advances there are... can anyone point me in the direction of some reading? |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:22:50 |
@GlenysHanson confused ME as well - cos our blog clock and countdown off :-( sorry folks #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T11:24:46 |
First skill - learning about clocks. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:25:33 |
I was just trying to acquire that partclr tech skill - to no avail!!! #ELTchat https://t.co/20ODfU03U4 |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:26:25 |
I think it's very easy tho to just name tech savviness as what needs to be included - it does but not in the topic focus #ELTchat |
| GlasgowELT |
2016-03-30T11:27:07 |
RT @Marisa_C: Thinking of Cambridge #delta? Start with Module 1? Do pls check our course https://t.co/YYSWhici5d #ELTchat #TEFL https://t.… |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:27:17 |
@thebestticher I would have to look through lists - but a good point; research not easily available to teachers "on the ground" #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T11:28:04 |
I often got my tech Knickers in a twist distance teaching. Ss v tolerant as long as they could see I was trying to solve prob. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:28:06 |
I must tell myself off for posting during an #ELTchat but I didn't do it I promise!!! |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:29:15 |
@Marisa_C Obviously not expecting you to do it now but it would be wonderful if you could send me a few links when you have time! #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T11:29:38 |
Back to topic. Read Geoff Jordan's blog: https://t.co/RamSC9fltV #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T11:30:16 |
You may hate the way Geoff writes but he'll surely make you think. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:30:46 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/W9BsSRteAe |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:32:46 |
@GlenysHanson Agree - I think he does write with great abandon of academic niceties but then we need such voices #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
2016-03-30T11:33:24 |
Hi folks... am I half an hour early or half an hour late for #ELTchat ? ;-) #pesky #BST |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:33:24 |
That didnt somehow sound right but you know what i mean #eltchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:33:38 |
@GlenysHanson Oh I did actually read the post he's criticising - relieved to find the criticism as I was sceptical of it myself! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:33:50 |
@esolcourses we were all confused yay for being here missed you #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:37:14 |
Hasty skim-reading - LA developing thru communication rather than necessarily in order of textbooks - seems important for trainees! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:38:27 |
@thebestticher I think that short courses like the CELTA do not spend nearly long enough on language awareness - #ELTchat - agree on more! |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:39:36 |
@Marisa_C YES, I know it was a definite weak point for me when I started teaching and only something I acquired 'on the field' #ELTchat |
| bethcagnol |
2016-03-30T11:39:58 |
I think this post is relevant to today's #ELTchat 6 useless things foreign language tchrs do https://t.co/kU19Je2qxj… via @gianfrancocont9. |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T11:40:08 |
@Marisa_C @thebestticher What do you mean by "language awareness"? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:41:18 |
@thebestticher @GlenysHanson language analysis in depth - morphology - semantics - discourse - phonology - sociolinguistcs #ELTchat |
| gianfrancocont9 |
2016-03-30T11:41:40 |
RT @bethcagnol: I think this post is relevant to today's #ELTchat 6 useless things foreign language tchrs do https://t.co/kU19Je2qxj… via @… |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T11:42:43 |
@Marisa_C @thebestticher That's a hefty list for a 4-week course! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:42:45 |
@bethcagnol @gianfrancocont9 Yes thanks for that! All areas mentioned contested by recent research - eg the multiple intels #ELTchat |
| bethcagnol |
2016-03-30T11:42:47 |
I think we could ask our students what they think of today's topic: "What new skills & strategies should be taught to trainees?" #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:42:53 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson I was going to say 'grammar' but that's a rather better summary ;) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:43:21 |
@GlenysHanson it truly is - u can't cover it all but you can try to cover more #ELTchat |
| gianfrancocont9 |
2016-03-30T11:43:42 |
RT @Marisa_C: @bethcagnol @gianfrancocont9 Yes thanks for that! All areas mentioned contested by recent research - eg the multiple intel… |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:44:03 |
@bethcagnol very researchable pointer Bethany - and welcome back to #ELTchat long time no see |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:44:51 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C I think that's why a lot of places (IH for example) offer extra language awareness courses! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:45:47 |
@thebestticher it's true - we do as well but very little uptake i'm afraid - once a celta over Ts not really keen on doing anything #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:46:01 |
@bethcagnol Mine would say 'Games. No homework ever. Sweets.' If they understood the Q ;) great question for adult students though! #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
2016-03-30T11:46:45 |
@Marisa_C IMO, some aspects of digital literacy ought to be covered in more depth at CELTA level, e.g. copyright, online safety #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:46:49 |
@thebestticher in truth, poor language awareness one of the reasons ppl don't find jobs - never mind the shouts abt NNEST attitudes #ELTchat |
| bethcagnol |
2016-03-30T11:47:05 |
@thebestticher My students would say "sweets" too. ;-) and more videos in class. Yeah. Sure. Whatever you want, guys. ;) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:47:27 |
Fully agree - and the mental changes this will bring to our learners an area for future research #ELTchat https://t.co/pamqX683z6 |
| english247 |
2016-03-30T11:47:28 |
RT @bethcagnol: I think we could ask our students what they think of today's topic: "What new skills & strategies should be taught to train… |
| esolcourses |
2016-03-30T11:47:44 |
RT @Marisa_C: Fully agree - and the mental changes this will bring to our learners an area for future research #ELTchat https://t.co/pamqX… |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:47:46 |
@Marisa_C NNEST? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:47:59 |
@esolcourses or has already brought about in some locales #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:48:39 |
@thebestticher Non native speaker teachers - and i know i am going to be in trouble for this by the NNEST brigade #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
2016-03-30T11:49:15 |
Yes. Imposs. People who'd studied langs before got much more out of my CELTA. #eltchat https://t.co/6Pdr5DE6sA |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:49:55 |
@esolcourses DOn't you think teachers need to know more abt their online presence etc? #eltchat Not easy to ram this through trainees u know |
| esolcourses |
2016-03-30T11:50:02 |
@Marisa_C Goes for NQT's as well as learners. We should not be assuming trainee teachers are well versed in tech #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:50:11 |
@Marisa_C Have to admit I've heard grumbles about the Trinity not being as good on language awareness as CELTA #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T11:50:27 |
#ELTchat o dear.. thought the chat was being delayed .. ho hum! am here for the end, then! |
| esolcourses |
2016-03-30T11:51:04 |
@Marisa_C Snap ;-) Yes. I think there is a definite need for such skills to be embedded in ITT #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:51:06 |
@esolcourses agreed yes #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:51:25 |
@Marisa_C @esolcourses Actually yes... friends who work as state school teachers far more knowledgeable (and more AWARE) #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T11:51:43 |
#ELTchat should include an awful lot of 'well it depends' in there; didnt agree with lots but suitably provocative! https://t.co/cKoSy4cLhh |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:51:50 |
@rapple18 will stay on for a few more mins we were ALL confused abt start time :-) #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:52:25 |
@BobK99 I did spend the first six months of my teaching career doing English grammar through French grammar! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:52:39 |
One of the things we need to do is train NEW Ts even to read research #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2016-03-30T11:52:49 |
Good point! #ELTchat https://t.co/MSaTZJ65jU |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T11:53:22 |
#ELTchat hi all. The Conti correction recasts thing would be worth looking at 1/3 |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T11:53:31 |
isnt it the case that it's usually NS trainees need that extra? The NNSs are usually very with it #ELTchat https://t.co/mGJN2aMzQK |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:53:39 |
@bethcagnol @gianfrancocont9 Marisa posted this criticism of it at the start of the #ELTchat - interesting too! https://t.co/8E8xXKKqx3 |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T11:54:31 |
#ELTchat because correction technique depends on setting, context, focus, and most importantly, learners 2/3 |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T11:55:38 |
@getgreatenglish Like everything in LT, it depends on the T being sensitive to where Ss are at. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:55:44 |
@rapple18 They need different things - NS's need more morphology and semantics - NNS' s need more sociolinguistic awareness #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:55:50 |
@Marisa_C *ashamed* yes, I've not done much...have read far more about teaching ideas/activities/'practical' techniques #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
2016-03-30T11:56:01 |
@thebestticher Yup. On my course many of the trainees had no idea what a NOUN was :-) #eltchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T11:56:05 |
#ELTchat so recasts in CLIL likely unnoticed but recasts in TBL Focus on Form stage likely noticeable 3/3 |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T11:56:07 |
@Marisa_C @esolcourses #ELTchat It only takes swapping in a course.. CELTAs now incl a session on lieracy per se. Very wise eye opener |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T11:56:35 |
RT @Marisa_C: One of the things we need to do is train NEW Ts even to read research #eltchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T11:57:08 |
@rapple18 agreed - differentiation needed perhaps? I've heard NNS colleagues say they struggle a lot with teaching vocab... #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:57:40 |
Just a quick example -male NS trainee posted photo on FB - NNS male trainee wrote "You look stunning" - what's the conclusion here? #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T11:57:43 |
#ELTchat @getgreatenglish Has ELTchat already done a chat on correction? Deserves an hour IMHO! I'll join you! |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:58:23 |
@rapple18 @getgreatenglish we have but we can revisit diff angle #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T11:58:56 |
#ELTchat @Marisa_C absolutely! |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T11:59:06 |
@rapple18 indeed. Correction makes one of my fave ELT books a fave. Allwright & Bailey (1991) Focus on the Lang. Classroom #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
2016-03-30T11:59:21 |
Agreed! NNS trainees on my course were streets ahead re lang awareness - just costhey'd had to learn L2.. #eltchat https://t.co/NlVgwSKC6f |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T11:59:50 |
RT @getgreatenglish: @rapple18 indeed. Correction makes one of my fave ELT books a fave. Allwright & Bailey (1991) Focus on the Lang. Class… |
| esolcourses |
2016-03-30T11:59:51 |
@rapple18 Suspect you are probably right there. It wasn't taught explicitly when I was at school, IIRC #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T12:00:01 |
#ELTchat @Marisa_C in 140 characters?!??! ;) |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T12:00:39 |
@esolcourses #ELTchat mine came from Latin! |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:00:50 |
@rapple18 Rhetoricall question - #eltchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T12:01:09 |
@Marisa_C Have also had colleagues disciplined for adding YL students on fb - worth remembering that ELT teachers r still teachers! #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
2016-03-30T12:01:17 |
The Other Pair https://t.co/KjSRJhRXBM #elt #efl #esl via @kierandonaghy Another great one! #eltchat #efl #esl #edchat #esol |
| bealer81 |
2016-03-30T12:01:32 |
RT @GlenysHanson: You may hate the way Geoff writes but he'll surely make you think. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:02:43 |
@thebestticher So some cultural awareness of teaching in other contexts a must - it IS part of the syllabus but I wonder if done #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:03:32 |
@rapple18 @esolcourses Mine came from 6 yrs of Latin and Ancient Greek #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:05:14 |
We have gone over the time but not answered the real Question-should our training deal with systems / grammar teachig differently? #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T12:05:18 |
@Marisa_C Yes, and if any mention of teaching YLs is included aspects of child protection etc HAVE to be touched upon #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T12:06:37 |
@thebestticher @Marisa_C The elephant in the YL classroom #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
2016-03-30T12:06:43 |
@Marisa_C @rapple18 @esolcourses Mine too, but >6 yrs Latin and<6 years Ancient Gk:-) Thanks for the #eltchat - gotta go. |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:07:04 |
At Delta Diploma level I believe this is addressed very well but at initial level? #eltchat - recipes given i think #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T12:07:42 |
#ELTchat @Marisa_C I'd suggest the syllabus needs to adapt to address other issues: the language changes less; polices perhaps more ?? IMHO |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T12:08:17 |
@thebestticher @rapple18 Didn't believe vocab was economically "teachable" in class. Extensive reading > improves vocab. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:08:20 |
@rapple18 I think the Celta syllabus is fine - it's the trainers that need retraining - sorry :-) #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T12:08:50 |
@Marisa_C Grammar needs not to be the be all and end all of language. #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
2016-03-30T12:09:23 |
RT @getgreatenglish: @Marisa_C Grammar needs not to be the be all and end all of language. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:09:53 |
@getgreatenglish agreed but dangerous to assume that there is conclusive evidence that it is not needed #eltchat and uninformed (not you :-) |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T12:10:22 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat No complaints about CELTA syllabus. I just dont think lang has changed much. Trainer training in ... ?? Don't understand |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:10:28 |
@rapple18 some of them still live in PPP land #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T12:11:22 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Ah ok - fair point. Fortunately I dont meet many of those ... :) |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:11:37 |
@rapple18 i was just being grouchy i guess - everyone calls self a teacher trainer - with minimal understanding of learning theory #ELTchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T12:12:05 |
@GlenysHanson @rapple18 In pre-teaching before a CB activity/answering student queries regarding vocab they have come across #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T12:12:18 |
@Marisa_C I agree. It needs to be looked at but less analytically by Ss. They need to learn Lang. more than 'about' Lang #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:13:03 |
@getgreatenglish yes - very true - not enough doing - less talking about #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T12:13:40 |
@Marisa_C @getgreatenglish #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-03-30T12:13:52 |
I must wrap up this great #ELTchat good folks - have an appointment in 10 mins Sorry!!!!! Hope to keep talking to you later |
| Priscilamateini |
2016-03-30T12:14:04 |
@Marisa_C I couldn't agree more #ELTchat |
| Priscilamateini |
2016-03-30T12:14:44 |
RT @bethcagnol: I think this post is relevant to today's #ELTchat 6 useless things foreign language tchrs do https://t.co/kU19Je2qxj… via @… |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T12:14:50 |
@Marisa_C see you! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T12:15:10 |
@Marisa_C @getgreatenglish Trad Grammar lessons one thing; getting Ss to be accurate another. Much more difficult too. #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2016-03-30T12:15:15 |
#ELTchat @Marisa_C Thanks all! Good to grumble over things that matter :) |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T12:15:40 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C Excellent point, Glenys. #ELTchat |
| EdSpeakersCo |
2016-03-30T12:15:42 |
RT @ShellTerrell: Get credit for online reading with Stackup Chrome extension https://t.co/4vwAcUGOMI via @SenorG #engchat #eltchat #ellchat |
| thebestticher |
2016-03-30T12:16:12 |
@Marisa_C Bye! Good to chat! #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-03-30T12:21:59 |
Bye everyone. Getting hungry - it's lunchtime, my time. #ELTchat |
| HuslerGary |
2016-03-30T12:23:07 |
@Marisa_C don't the majority of new teachers just want initial CELTA to travel and teach? Not sure they're interested in research #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T12:26:32 |
@HuslerGary @Marisa_C Isn't there obligation to stay on top of CPD? Cert may be initially for travel; what if ELT becomes career. #ELTchat |
| HuslerGary |
2016-03-30T12:46:05 |
@getgreatenglish @Marisa_C CDP is the realm of teachers comfortable with their craft; those who have committed to the cause imo. #ELTchat |
| HuslerGary |
2016-03-30T12:50:03 |
@getgreatenglish @Marisa_C let them walk before they can walk #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T12:54:53 |
@HuslerGary @Marisa_C Yes, I see but if new teachers were research literate, imagine potential: ?ing practices. Reflecting. #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-03-30T12:56:11 |
@HuslerGary @Marisa_C Sure. It's a 4-week course. I have been thinking how I'd structure (supplement) Cert. syllabus. #ELTchat |
| HuslerGary |
2016-03-30T13:37:16 |
@getgreatenglish reflecting is taught on ITT. Getting NTs to ? the very things they're being taught seems counterproductive #ELTchat |
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