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| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:02:15 |
Here's our topic for today's #ELTchat: Can we teach Business English if we are not business people ourselves?Who's around? |
| michaelegriffin |
2016-02-17T12:02:50 |
RT @angelos_bollas: Here's our topic for today's #ELTchat: Can we teach Business English if we are not business people ourselves?Who's aro… |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:03:25 |
@angelos_bollas Hello Angelos - an interesting topic #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:03:32 |
Welcome @patrickelt #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:04:07 |
#ELTchat Hie everybody |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:05:45 |
@GlenysHanson Hi Glenys! Welcome #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:06:26 |
@GlenysHanson Hello Glenys #eltchat |
| TalkenEnglish |
2016-02-17T12:06:34 |
Hello! #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:07:01 |
What time of day is where you are? #ELTchatIt's 2.06pm in Greece |
| TalkenEnglish |
2016-02-17T12:07:47 |
10:07 am in Brazil #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:07:50 |
@angelos_bollas 12.07 here in UK #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:08:19 |
@angelos_bollas Twitter seems a bit slow here #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:08:55 |
@patrickelt It's always like this in the early chat.. People are getting off their classes in different times #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:09:08 |
@TalkenEnglish I am surprised there is only 2 hours time difference between UK and Brazil #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:09:16 |
Yay!!! Hada is back!!! Welcome #ELTchat https://t.co/hL3ZpyPyf4 |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:09:34 |
@angelos_bollas #eltchat 13:09 in France & Nurph not working again. |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:09:41 |
I'm currently teaching a business lady 1-2-1 and finding it really interesting. #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:10:00 |
@GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas Ah ces francais!!! #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:10:18 |
@angelos_bollas but even my own messages seem to take a min ute or so to appear #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:10:24 |
@GlenysHanson It is working for me on Chrome https://t.co/hPMtG9uVCx #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:10:35 |
@angelos_bollas Hiya! The revenant haha #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:11:09 |
@angelos_bollas @GlenysHanson I'm using chrome too. Much easier than thinking about using the hashtag #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:11:24 |
So, are you Business literate? #ELTchat - Do you need to be one in order to teach BE? https://t.co/XygQ4DiwY8 |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:11:57 |
@angelos_bollas Nice to have you here @HadaLitim #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:12:40 |
@angelos_bollas I'd say prob a min of knowledge would be necessary. Biz ppl use a jargon the T needs to be familiar with methinks #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:13:19 |
Would you say it's just some specific vocab only? What about discourse? #ELTchat https://t.co/Agm9njMSEm |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:13:38 |
@angelos_bollas Interesting question. I think it depends what is meant by business literate. Think we need some kind of interest #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:13:55 |
@GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas Thanks Glenys! I think I suffered a bout of T burnout & went down under for a bit. all's well now ) #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:14:31 |
Interest is business should be a prerequisite IMO - it could be very boring if one not interested at all #ELTchat https://t.co/4NloGkMcFQ |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:14:34 |
@patrickelt @angelos_bollas Yes interest definitely! It drives one to research...one of Ts' best skills #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:14:44 |
@angelos_bollas ...but do we need to know everything about balance sheets or current business trends? Maybe students can explain #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:14:46 |
#ELTchat I did a lot of teaching of buisness people. They loved explaining to me what I didn't know. I made them say it correctly. |
| TalkenEnglish |
2016-02-17T12:14:56 |
Which business world? There are so many variations that it would be impossible for a teacher to know all. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:16:03 |
@patrickelt @angelos_bollas don't think so It makes for great tasks to get our Ss to explain that to us Totally meaningful spking #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:16:04 |
@HadaLitim @angelos_bollas Yes and students real context is a driver for this research. #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:16:12 |
@patrickelt As @GlenysHanson said, SSs can do a lot of the explaining part - T can focus on lang. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-02-17T12:16:22 |
I love this comment - yes fully agree #ELTchat https://t.co/rXWTp5lBZB |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:16:35 |
Very good point - how could we be better prepared, then? #ELTchat https://t.co/PDeQGS27dj |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:17:12 |
@TalkenEnglish Yes and the roles that people have within businesses may ary. I have had managers to bus drivers as students #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:17:21 |
@patrickelt @angelos_bollas I'm currently going through past emails and presentations with my ss and it's great #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:17:34 |
@Marisa_C me too #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:17:40 |
@TalkenEnglish Exactly! ELT is not content teaching. Can be a prob when Ss don't know subject either. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:18:21 |
@HadaLitim @patrickelt Some companies do not allow that though.. #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:18:44 |
@angelos_bollas A couple of points. 1 In some ways, we are all business people - we have our business of being teachers. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:19:24 |
@angelos_bollas @patrickelt really? #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:19:31 |
@angelos_bollas ...We need to be aware of trends and how to react in "an agile way" (business jargon :-)) #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:19:40 |
@HadaLitim @patrickelt Confidentiality #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:19:55 |
@patrickelt te he he #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:20:10 |
@angelos_bollas 2 We are affected by businesses so we have interests, views and knowledge as users of businesses #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:20:10 |
@angelos_bollas @patrickelt true. Makes sense but it doesn't seem to be a prob with this Std #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:21:28 |
@patrickelt @angelos_bollas How deep should our knowledg ebe? #ELTchat |
| StudioAcademic |
2016-02-17T12:22:01 |
Agreed @patrickelt @angelos_bollas Yesterday 'job enlargement arose'. Sts thought many are now business literate without experience #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:22:10 |
@GlenysHanson @TalkenEnglish Yes. Perhaps this is where the role of input from specialists can help (eg reading texts) #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:22:19 |
It surely depends on the SS's level and needs, right? W/ an elementary SS no real Business knowledge needed #ELTchat https://t.co/4sf6XhAfsr |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:22:25 |
sorry I’m late to #eltchat - what’s the winning topic today then? |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:22:33 |
RT @GlenysHanson: @TalkenEnglish Exactly! ELT is not content teaching. Can be a prob when Ss don't know subject either. #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:22:36 |
We're teaching English, not business so being aware of the jargon is part of the language I'd say #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:22:46 |
@HadaLitim @angelos_bollas I think the knowledge may be based on the input used #eltchat |
| TalkenEnglish |
2016-02-17T12:22:51 |
Special vocab & buzz words can be researched when needed. Experience is an obvious advantage. But advantage is not necessity. #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:23:03 |
@angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @patrickelt I've retired comfortably on the proceeds of blackmailing my former business students (Joke!) #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:23:08 |
@Ashowski How business knowledgeable should we be in order to teach BE #ELTchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:23:28 |
@hadalitim General #English or #BE ? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:23:40 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @Ashowski How business knowledgeable should we be in order to teach BE #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:23:51 |
@HadaLitim Surely - but some finance-related terminology not necessarily part of our vocab repertoire. #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:24:09 |
@angelos_bollas Depends whether they are elementary in terms of language or business knowledge #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:24:12 |
Business is so broad, being clear what the S's needs are should make the T be able to decide whether or not to take the job #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:24:18 |
@GlenysHanson @HadaLitim @patrickelt hahaha! :-D #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:24:49 |
And how deep to go in order to find necessary info/knowledge #ELTchat https://t.co/81vgUJUgpx |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:25:08 |
@angelos_bollas True but if it comes up in the lesson, I'd feel silly not to know Hence knowing what the S's needs and area of work #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:25:17 |
@TalkenEnglish And perhaps also ways of thinking? For example, can work on ways of analysing contexts/using data, decision making #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:25:30 |
I had my first #business meeting this morning and I used what I had learnt from teaching #BE - went down well #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:25:40 |
RT @Marisa_C: Can we teach Business English if we are not business people ourselves?Our topic for #ELTchat in about 30' See you there! |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:25:43 |
I would be happy to say I don't know and teach the SS how to look up a term. #ELTchat https://t.co/bPXtUbWsde |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:25:45 |
@GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas @patrickelt Pls fwd the lesson plan!! ;) #ELTchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:25:47 |
RT @michaelegriffin: Looks like an interesting book: From Trainee to Teacher: Reflective Practice for Novice Teachers https://t.co/FyDz3K… |
| NATECLA |
2016-02-17T12:25:52 |
RT @Marisa_C: I love this comment - yes fully agree #ELTchat https://t.co/rXWTp5lBZB |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:26:08 |
@angelos_bollas Yes, good learner skills development #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2016-02-17T12:26:20 |
@angelos_bollas @HadaLitim Finance not equally important for all involved in a business #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:26:40 |
@patrickelt @HadaLitim Surely - that was just an example. #ELTchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:27:10 |
@talkenenglish so true - business is no longer specific to one type, is it #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:28:52 |
@glenyshanson @talkenenglish I went to a great talk at #LABCI which recommended that we make it more content heavy #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:29:02 |
@HadaLitim @angelos_bollas I didn't feel silly not knowing jargon & concepts behind it. a great opportunity for Ss to explain it. #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:29:09 |
If teaching BE at work the syllabus is clear& there's a course book to support th objectives. But when teaching 1-2-1 it's trickier #ELTchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:29:23 |
@glenyshanson gets them using #language in a meaningful way and then you can help them improve it #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:29:39 |
@GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas True! If it's just a few terms. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:29:39 |
What about when teaching at the company? #ELTchat https://t.co/4mPUXlHQFg |
| TalkenEnglish |
2016-02-17T12:30:31 |
If accept BE class/student, T needs to first be a student. Assess needs, read few books and look up articles online. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:30:31 |
@angelos_bollas Never done that, but taught nurses at a nursing college on an off-site contract and that was demanding! #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:31:00 |
How was that different, Hada? #ELTchat https://t.co/5b9XONyFAY |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:31:03 |
#ELTchat I did feel silly when I pretended to have more business know-how than I really do and the Ss could see through me. |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:31:19 |
Doesn't what apply to #BE apply to all #ESP courses? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:31:39 |
Me too - Happens to me when teaching presessionals with Engineers for example. #ELTchat https://t.co/IA9DzXkVrR |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:31:50 |
@GlenysHanson Oooops! Shilly billy :) #ELTchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:33:13 |
is it just me or is this #eltchat not going anywhere? |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:33:26 |
@HadaLitim Yes, of course. I did a lot of that too. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:33:58 |
Any websites you use with BE students? Or for yourselves as prep? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:35:21 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/VFbG8ivlBC |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:36:18 |
What about classroom dynamics? Aren't these different in BE? #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2016-02-17T12:36:48 |
Time to leave you to plan my three and a half hour lesson in 20 mins! Chat again soon. Ciao #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:38:28 |
Here's an #ELTchat on a similar topic written 5 years ago: https://t.co/PzAg3TyIVe #ELTchat |
| TalkenEnglish |
2016-02-17T12:39:04 |
One website: https://t.co/KRgb0f57v2 is good for general business/entrepreneurial content #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-02-17T12:39:37 |
#ELTchat Angelos doing a great job. I'm here now too |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:39:47 |
Thanks @TalkenEnglish for sharing this #ELTchat https://t.co/jOZmEpxqtH |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:40:02 |
@SueAnnan Mwah! :-D #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:40:45 |
@angelos_bollas Different from what? 75% of my classes were with adults learning English for professional reasons. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:41:27 |
@GlenysHanson I was thinking of classes where we have the executive director, their secretary, and some other department heads #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-02-17T12:42:05 |
#ELTchat I think you have to fake it till you make it sometimes |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:43:22 |
So there is a need for us to be or pretend to be knowledgeable #ELTchat https://t.co/gXvfN1v682 |
| TalkenEnglish |
2016-02-17T12:44:22 |
Another resource for terminology in business/venture capitalism world is the reality show: Shark Tank (on YouTube). SS love it! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:44:52 |
@angelos_bollas That can be tricky! Noone speaks until the CEO does. No one dares to disagree with him. Worse is having a general. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:45:36 |
@GlenysHanson That's what I am talking about. And how do we correct the CEO in front of the secretary? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:45:51 |
@SueAnnan Very true, indeed! #ELTchat |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:46:08 |
RT @angelos_bollas: Here's an #ELTchat on a similar topic written 5 years ago: https://t.co/PzAg3TyIVe #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:46:10 |
Didn't know about that! #ELTchat https://t.co/mfgdsMt2MI |
| Ashowski |
2016-02-17T12:47:02 |
RT @TalkenEnglish: Another resource for terminology in business/venture capitalism world is the reality show: Shark Tank (on YouTube). SS l… |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:47:58 |
Would you say that all the effort we put in for BE courses is justified (more money) or...? #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:48:27 |
@SueAnnan You must be more convincing than me at faking it. I wasn't clever enough not to be honest. #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-02-17T12:48:33 |
#ELTchat hello. I think the dynamics are weird when the CEO is there re: @GlenysHanson last tweet. Need different roles? |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:49:03 |
@getgreatenglish Hello and welcome! -D #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-02-17T12:49:24 |
@angelos_bollas I don't get paid any extra. But the prestige is nice #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:50:00 |
@SueAnnan Oh, so is there a prestige involved in teaching BE? Very interesting. How do you mean that? #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-02-17T12:50:35 |
#ELTchat Hostile students can be the worst. I always ask for more money when that is the case. More planning required. |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:51:03 |
@angelos_bollas I did my best persuade the CEO to have 121 lessons & sometimes they were delightful people and no probs. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:51:31 |
I also think BE SS are more 'difficult' and more result-oriented. For some of them a promotion might depend on their performance #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-02-17T12:51:41 |
@angelos_bollas I seem to get more respect as the BE teacher in my school. It can be scary though #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:51:52 |
RT @SueAnnan: @angelos_bollas I seem to get more respect as the BE teacher in my school. It can be scary though #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:53:26 |
I think we all agree there's more work/effort into teaching BE, right? #ELTchat |
| SochiPanama |
2016-02-17T12:53:32 |
RT @GlenysHanson: #ELTchat I did a lot of teaching of buisness people. They loved explaining to me what I didn't know. I made them say it … |
| SueAnnan |
2016-02-17T12:54:10 |
#ELTchat would anyone like to volunteer for the summary? |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:54:16 |
RT @SueAnnan: #ELTchat would anyone like to volunteer for the summary? |
| michaelegriffin |
2016-02-17T12:54:17 |
RT @angelos_bollas: I think we all agree there's more work/effort into teaching BE, right? #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-02-17T12:54:33 |
@angelos_bollas Sure, but some BE Ss know they need English but expect osmosis from 1.5hrs/week. #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-02-17T12:55:33 |
@angelos_bollas Anything that has special purposes is harder. Exams, etc. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:55:38 |
@getgreatenglish Same happens when company pays for their lessons! they expect miracles, don't they? #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:56:03 |
@angelos_bollas Not really for me. Teaching teens was what I had to prepare for - often needed spoonfeeding to get the to speak. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:56:10 |
Very true - So it really has to do with whether or not we enjoy teaching BE #ELTchat https://t.co/dvPCW7XV0G |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-02-17T12:56:16 |
@angelos_bollas Isn't that the truth! #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:56:44 |
A summary writer, please! #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-02-17T12:56:48 |
@angelos_bollas absolutely! #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:57:32 |
@angelos_bollas OK #ELTchat |
| ELTchat |
2016-02-17T12:57:45 |
Anyone interested in writing the summary of today's #ELTchat? We're almost at the end.. https://t.co/RYyp0OEk9Y |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T12:58:06 |
@angelos_bollas Ok for summary, I meant #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:58:16 |
@GlenysHanson Volunteered! Yay!!! @SueAnnan we have a summary writer!! #ELTchat |
| getgreatenglish |
2016-02-17T12:58:26 |
@GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas English for Incommunicative Purposes? ;) #ELTchat |
| nutrich |
2016-02-17T12:58:43 |
Good stuff @BarberDaniel :) Worth a read! #elt #eltchat #tefl #efl https://t.co/qqcmNtJ53i |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T12:59:27 |
@getgreatenglish @GlenysHanson That's a great title for a blog post! Go for it! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-02-17T12:59:42 |
#eltchat great I'll get the transcript out soonish @ Glenys |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T13:00:10 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan i'll probably need some help - it's my first time. N'n'nervous. #ELTchat |
| ELTchat |
2016-02-17T13:00:38 |
Thank you all #ELTchat ing today! A special thanks to @GlenysHanson for writing today's summary. We'll meet again next Wednesday at 9pm |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T13:01:39 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan I will help you as much as you need. #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2016-02-17T13:02:30 |
Have a great week, people - Thank you for today #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-02-17T13:03:21 |
#eltchat thanks everyone for an interesting chat as usual. |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T13:03:24 |
#ELTchat Thanks everyone. Brought back happy memories of my teaching days. Nostalgia... |
| TalkenEnglish |
2016-02-17T13:03:34 |
Sorry! Got pulled away for last 15 minutes. Thanks again for a great chat! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-02-17T13:04:36 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Thanks for the link. #ELTchat |
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