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| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T20:54:22 |
Do you teach grammar to C2 students? If so, what and how?#ELTchat in 5 minutes |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T20:54:32 |
RT @SueAnnan: Do you teach grammar to C2 students? If so, what and how?#ELTchat in 5 minutes |
| racheldaw18 |
2016-01-27T20:56:34 |
I actually never taught C2 students officially in Berlin last year, but had to scramble around to find extras for top C1s! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T20:58:11 |
We are about to start #ELtchat - please refrain from posting tweets outside our topic which is Advanced (C2 level) Grammar teaching |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T20:58:55 |
@Marisa_C ooo the temptation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T20:59:37 |
@SueAnnan @Shaunwilden @racheldaw18 Three chiefs and one Indian this should be fun #ELTchat |
| racheldaw18 |
2016-01-27T21:00:12 |
Eep and the Indian doesn't actually teach anymore, so I'll have to speak in the past, how sad... #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:00:21 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan @racheldaw18 oh it’s ok we dont see you as lower than us marisa ;-) #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:01:23 |
Hi #ELTchat not teaching C2 now cause my current school leaves that for native teachers but I used to and I'm ready to talk C grammar! |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:01:39 |
@Shaunwilden Shorter perhaps dear Mr Faultless #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:01:58 |
@Marisa_C i am aren’t i :-) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:01:58 |
Okay. My topic. Seriously advanced students- what do you do with them when they expect grammar lessons? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:02:25 |
@SueAnnan erm ….grammar #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:02:57 |
@natibrandi welcome that's great - i don't either but only Teachers on Lang Courses for teachers #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:03:19 |
@Shaunwilden yes. but they know it all and course books don't really add anything structural #ELTchat |
| racheldaw18 |
2016-01-27T21:03:49 |
My super advanced C1s used to love the challenge of a dictogloss... But I think that's a lot to do w/ German education style too #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:03:57 |
@SueAnnan Deal with pragmatics? They may know the structures but may avoid them or not know when and how to use them. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:04:02 |
@SueAnnan hmm i contest ‘they know it all’ they might have been introduced to a lot of it, but know it all? #ELTchat |
| racheldaw18 |
2016-01-27T21:04:07 |
They liked the puzzle nature of a dictogloss, and then we'd discuss their errors afterwards #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:04:19 |
I think there is a lot of grammar of complex sentences they need to know #eltchat Subordination for example |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:04:58 |
@racheldaw18 Dictogloss is great to spot errors of avoidance!!! They know some structures but go for the simpler ones, I like it. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:05:11 |
there is a lot to be done also with contrasting and comparing groups of structures or functions #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:05:34 |
And teaching them the discourse aspects of grammar #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:06:09 |
I find in Latin America very advanced learners struggle with past hypothetical times and inversions a lot. What about elsewhere? #ELTchat |
| racheldaw18 |
2016-01-27T21:06:38 |
In Germany they always struggled with past tenses so I told lots of random stories for dictoglosses #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:06:51 |
Indeed! the mismatch of tense and time highly confusing #ELTchat https://t.co/GED5St1j3h |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:07:20 |
I seem to be teaching vocab and correcting pron more than anything else. It doesn't feel meaty enough #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:07:47 |
RT @Marisa_C: And teaching them the discourse aspects of grammar #ELTchat |
| DiLeed |
2016-01-27T21:07:55 |
RT @Marisa_C: there is a lot to be done also with contrasting and comparing groups of structures or functions #ELTchat |
| racheldaw18 |
2016-01-27T21:08:38 |
Is it more a speaking or a writing problem @SueAnnan ? Wrt grammar, I mean #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:09:12 |
@Marisa_C There're other structures they are aware of but overuse or avoid e.g. passive voice, I guess discourse analysis helps #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:09:16 |
@racheldaw18 so your way was through narrations but not explicit grammar teaching - was this handled in the feedback stage? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:09:23 |
@racheldaw18 That's the thing- it's neither. But they want fresh, advanced grammar #ELTchat |
| racheldaw18 |
2016-01-27T21:10:11 |
Yes it was - they liked to pick the rationale behind each selection apart, almost to check themselves-big errors boarded + improved #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:10:25 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/S3VtJG9eYR |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:10:27 |
@SueAnnan I feel that sometimes too #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:11:54 |
@kamilaofprague Good suggestions #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:12:10 |
@SueAnnan Re register Q - yes I do as a 'translation' exercise over a number of - but not systematic grammar here #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:13:09 |
@natibrandi Very true And advanced grammar books still work at sentence level mostly - any showing discourse level? #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:13:10 |
@SueAnnan A friend used genere analysis for that showing different degrees of communication with aboss from very formal to friendly #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:14:06 |
@natibrandi we were using twitter today to check use of I'll and I will !#ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:14:37 |
I always end up coming up with my material or using friend's materials for discourse level! Why does this happen? #ELTchat @Marisa_C |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:14:50 |
I find that the two areas most very advanced users still confuse are 1/article use (v much dependent on discourse) and 2/modality #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:15:05 |
Evening all :-) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:15:20 |
@theteacherjames Hi James #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:15:49 |
@Marisa_C Expert CAE (I think) had a bit of discourse analysis but our teachers hated it, we had to change it. Said too complex #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:15:50 |
@natibrandi it happens because grammar editors are either uninformed or pandering to the crowds of untrained Ts #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:16:01 |
@kidworldcitizen #ELTChat is chatting. PLease only post if relevant to the topic |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:17:05 |
Sad truth #ELTchat https://t.co/P9qT8yjkMv |
| kamilaofprague |
2016-01-27T21:17:07 |
I was thinking clichés, too. Is there a reliable source to tell idiom from cliché? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:17:13 |
@natibrandi @Marisa_C too complex for the teachers? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:17:14 |
@theteacherjames Evening sir #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:17:47 |
I find adv learners need a lot more practice of grammar than they do teaching of it, if you see what I mean. #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:18:03 |
@Shaunwilden Evening #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:18:05 |
@SueAnnan @natibrandi I think so - u have no idea how many Ts working without training or a basic knowledge of grammar #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:18:15 |
@SueAnnan Hi! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:18:42 |
@Marisa_C @natibrandi How do they pass a T exam/ Cert then? #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:19:00 |
@SueAnnan The thing is at some schools native teachers teach C2 but not necessarily aware of discourse analysis. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:19:08 |
@Shaunwilden and I who have been interviewing Ts for Delta can tell you their sources - Interm pedagogic grammars mostly! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:19:22 |
@theteacherjames I agree. But when they ask for overt grammar - what would you dish up? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:19:39 |
@SueAnnan @natibrandi They have to 'grow up' ver fast into Uni level grammars #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:19:55 |
@Marisa_C Is discourse analysis taught during CELTA? I learned about it during DELTA and conferences. #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:20:02 |
@SueAnnan challenge them to produce work with zero errors #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:20:35 |
@natibrandi Not really not as a slot but it IS mentioned on our course in sessions like speaking writing phonology #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:20:43 |
It seems like adv coursebooks often have grammar focus that is very low freq. Bit of a waste of time, I think. #ELTchat |
| LauraSoracco |
2016-01-27T21:20:48 |
@SueAnnan lots of error correction based on authentic writing tasks. Peer editing helps, too. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:21:15 |
RT @theteacherjames: It seems like adv coursebooks often have grammar focus that is very low freq. Bit of a waste of time, I think. #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:21:25 |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames Guided discovery worksheets based on context to focus on when and how to use the structure #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:21:38 |
@SueAnnan I'd explain that what they really need is lot of vocabulary. I think that's what makes people really adv. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:21:42 |
@LauraSoracco @SueAnnan I think a lot of important grammar instruction part of error correction - needs a knowledgeable T though #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:22:10 |
@SueAnnan I think tasks that involve transformations are a good challenge for higher levels. Or things like say 'X in 5 words' #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:22:10 |
@theteacherjames That's what Ive been concentrating on. :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:22:31 |
@theteacherjames @SueAnnan agreed but if they are doing work on IELTs-academic writing or business writing accuracy also high value #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:22:51 |
@Marisa_C Good, but you're all tutors who are really into ELT, not all CELTA courses are the same #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:22:54 |
@SueAnnan Keep on going! :-) #ELTchat |
| LauraSoracco |
2016-01-27T21:23:12 |
@Marisa_C prepositions are also tough for advanced learners. IMO it's about memorizing chunks at this point, e.g, interested in. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:23:16 |
@GlenysHanson indeed with all their little peculiarities - separable and all that #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:23:51 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Agreed, but I'm not sure that explicit grammar teaching is the best way to reach accuracy. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:24:05 |
@LauraSoracco @Marisa_C That always works with German students :-)#ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:24:14 |
@theteacherjames @SueAnnan But mostly when and how to use it, which only comes from context, does't it? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:24:19 |
@LauraSoracco I think that's one of the THREE heaviest areas - articles - prepositions and the Present Simple #eltchat ...cont |
| LauraSoracco |
2016-01-27T21:24:22 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan knowledgable in what area? Aside from Lang itself? #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:24:35 |
@LauraSoracco @Marisa_C Prepositions is definitely an issue at adv level. Definitely a lexical issue. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:24:44 |
... in the order of acquisition #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:25:19 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/lIhrjz8eDl |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:25:22 |
@theteacherjames @LauraSoracco true more lexical than structural #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:25:28 |
#ELTchat something like this from @lessonstream: https://t.co/EClcYI3Xjs (but up the level of language!) #transformation #grammar |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:25:43 |
@natibrandi sad truth :-( #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:25:47 |
@Marisa_C I agree.. and I don't think you can separate teaching modal verbs from its context, it's gotta be at text level. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:26:05 |
@harrisonmike @lessonstreamThanks Mike #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:26:39 |
The expression of tentativeness which is both structural and discoursal is an issue as well #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:26:53 |
Isn't 90% of communication in English in the present and past simple? Or did I just invent that? :-) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:27:20 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/198AKTrwg8 |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:27:35 |
@natibrandi I agree - a functional categorisation seems inevitable anyway re modal verbs and functions and context go together #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:27:41 |
@MConca16 come and join us. just use the hashtag #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:28:08 |
@theteacherjames no idea what you are capable of doind :-) #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:28:15 |
@theteacherjames 50% of your tweet just there ;) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:29:00 |
@theteacherjames it certainly is round my FRench students .Lol #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:29:21 |
@Marisa_C I'm sure I heard David Crystal or someone like that say it! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:30:26 |
@theteacherjames possibly - this info also in many Lexical approach writings - it's the collocations that make it complex #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:30:26 |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames Do you ever use translation for complex forms?? I find they trigger langauge discussions. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:31:07 |
I was looking in a proficiency book- but the few grammar structures were pointless #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:31:21 |
@theteacherjames I think you're right, but still, C2 learners tend to need it for academic purposes, so they need more. #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:31:28 |
3 weeks after the event – but here it is! My summary of the #ELTchat on 6 Jan on #flipped learning https://t.co/nGYS5EVWNF |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:31:48 |
@harrisonmike you're a star #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:32:05 |
@Marisa_C That makes sense. More useful for adv sts to have well rounded understanding of simple forms than rare complex ones? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:32:13 |
Shall we talk about some of the methods and techniques that you use please? #ELTchat |
| MConca16 |
2016-01-27T21:32:19 |
@SueAnnan Sure!First time in #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:32:39 |
@SueAnnan haha... and learners open the book and go: we study this every year. Happens to me a lot hahaha. #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:33:05 |
@natibrandi @SueAnnan I haven't used translation, but I will. It's a very good way at showing the differences in sentence structure #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:33:24 |
@theteacherjames The present simple a VERY heavy structure both morphologically AND semantically - more than 13 uses/meanings #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:33:40 |
@Marisa_C Text analysis. Go back to the modal verbs and analyse meaning, form and pron, and then practice and feedback, loads #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:33:42 |
@theteacherjames @natibrandi a bit difficult with lots of mixed nationalities ? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:34:29 |
Text analysis - e.g. revisit text with a 'noticing' or undelining attitude #eltchat ? https://t.co/dAoaVUUOWM |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:34:32 |
@Marisa_C Exactly. I think many of those get skipped over in the pursuit of more complex, less useful forms. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:35:18 |
@theteacherjames True - a lot of time wasted of stuff like reported speech which not such a big issue #eltchat in EVERY level! |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:35:18 |
@SueAnnan @natibrandi Yes, but not impossible. The sts could comment on how the structure is different in their lang. #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:35:51 |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames I like it when they discover the translation. I ask how how you say this in L1? My context's monolingual #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:36:08 |
@theteacherjames @natibrandi I suppose they could :-) #ELTchat |
| LauraSoracco |
2016-01-27T21:36:19 |
It occurs to me that w/ C2 learners, most of the grammar is related to writing or fixed expressions. More vocab than gram. Agree? #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:36:37 |
@Marisa_C A discovering attitude #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:36:57 |
RT @LauraSoracco: It occurs to me that w/ C2 learners, most of the grammar is related to writing or fixed expressions. More vocab than gram… |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:37:11 |
@LauraSoracco Yes. That's my problem. They want GRAMMAR!!! and I give them vocab :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:38:09 |
I think not only in writing - this is what books do - Ss need a lot of spoken grammar and they don't usu get much #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:38:59 |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames So true! We need to kill the linear view that may imply you don't deal with pres simple at C2. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:39:07 |
Problem is advanced books get text heavy but neglect spoken language just like at lower levels #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:39:57 |
Most sts don't get to C1 level, it's a real opportunity to deal with fossilised errors, pronunciation, intonation etc. #ELTchat |
| LauraSoracco |
2016-01-27T21:40:02 |
@SueAnnan Reminds me of a friend who is C1 and reads grammar book in bathroom. LOL (true!) curious re: more adv grammar forms. #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:40:24 |
@SueAnnan @LauraSoracco Perhaps you should share them that when u deal with collocations, it's kind of grammar and lexis together. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:40:34 |
I think the kinds of grammar lessons C2 Ss need are lessons of contrasts - e.g. observe and contrast various uses of X structure #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:40:37 |
RT @theteacherjames: Most sts don't get to C1 level, it's a real opportunity to deal with fossilised errors, pronunciation, intonation etc.… |
| LauraSoracco |
2016-01-27T21:40:47 |
@SueAnnan maybe this anecdote can be skipped from #ELTchat summary? ;) |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:41:11 |
@LauraSoracco :-) #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:41:19 |
#ELTchat I think initial writing could be a good activity to test memory & force sts to fill in the gaps https://t.co/jeIInFNV9B |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:41:22 |
@Marisa_C Yes, not enough variety in modes of speaking: different environments, to different people, with different demands. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:41:45 |
These observations should come from real contexts with lots of discovery as well as explicitness re rules and loads of speaking #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:42:02 |
@LauraSoracco @SueAnnan Well, I suppose they did get to C1 so what can you say?! :-) #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:42:13 |
@theteacherjames Pragmatics! I was a student in Scotland and I said at a pub it's raining cats and dogs ..ppl laughed so much AT ME #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:42:20 |
I try to work on lots of context of situation/register with them #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:42:33 |
I feel like writing an advanced grammar now #eltchat :-) |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:42:38 |
@theteacherjames I was taught the idiom but not its frequency or how to use it! The same happens with grammar #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:42:55 |
#ELTchat getting sts to reach for vocab/ structures to explain more unusual things – more cognitively challenging https://t.co/nOx4Yo22md |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:43:03 |
@Marisa_C go for it- I'll buy it :-0#ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:43:08 |
@Marisa_C like you have the time! :-) #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:43:38 |
@natibrandi Absolutely - not all expressions are equal! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:44:03 |
@Shaunwilden hmmm I have done this before - you never know #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:44:06 |
@natibrandi Or grammar structures for that matter :-) #ELTchat |
| MConca16 |
2016-01-27T21:44:25 |
@Marisa_C agreed.I think authentic materials are the best source for real grammar both at lower&higher levels #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:45:18 |
I was just looking at the index of an advanced grammar book earlier - https://t.co/5WxYS4xpId #eltchat |
| ChrisPatrickF |
2016-01-27T21:45:49 |
RT @americantesol: Strategies for helping students motivate themselves: https://t.co/wBTlQc1Wdq via @TeachingEnglish #esl #tefl #eltchat #… |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:45:58 |
@MConca16 @Marisa_C though that leads to lots of argument s to what ‘real’ grammar is #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:46:59 |
@Shaunwilden @MConca16 I am not getting into that argument - but at C2 it may be possible to find such text or spoken samples #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:47:28 |
@GlenysHanson @ELTchat and also getting them to focus on what was the most appropriate use of language #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:47:42 |
One of my students was trying to work out the language in the SUN !#ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:47:45 |
#eltchat https://t.co/jT2e9zgUVQ |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:48:42 |
@GlenysHanson will you share when done? #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:49:31 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @MConca16 There's no reason why pre-prepared materials can't be a good example, if well written. #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:49:34 |
#ELTchat I wrote this with mining language tasks in mind, but I think changing from 1 task to another... https://t.co/0wZeh9vt20 |
| MConca16 |
2016-01-27T21:50:05 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden corpora? #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:50:08 |
@harrisonmike Kind of lang upgrade? they use sth that's too simple and u ask them to say it in a more sophisticated way? I like it #ELTchat |
| ELTchat |
2016-01-27T21:50:12 |
@ChrisPatrickF remember to use the hashtag #eltchat pls (but only for chat relevant tweets) |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:50:50 |
@MConca16 @Shaunwilden one source yes #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:50:59 |
RT @harrisonmike: #ELTchat I wrote this with mining language tasks in mind, but I think changing from 1 task to another... https://t.co/0wZ… |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:51:20 |
Exactly :) #eltchat https://t.co/objsx8e3nU |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:51:27 |
@theteacherjames fully agree - i have no issue but they are often highly unrealistic #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-01-27T21:51:55 |
@Marisa_C Sure! I already have some practice exos on Phrasal Verbs, Articles, etc. here: https://t.co/385SWyYJFz. #ELTchat |
| harrisonmike |
2016-01-27T21:51:58 |
@natibrandi yep, I think what your job when teaching higher levels is to push them on – they can get lazy! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:53:19 |
There are of course excellent mats which CAN be used with C2 Ss - e.g. About Language by @thornburyscott #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:53:35 |
@harrisonmike @natibrandi This may be connected to the fact that progress is much harder to recognise the more adv they become. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:53:47 |
Discover English by Rod Bolitho and Brian Tomlinson #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:54:09 |
Universt Grammar Workbook #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:54:20 |
RT @theteacherjames: @harrisonmike @natibrandi This may be connected to the fact that progress is much harder to recognise the more adv the… |
| ChrisPatrickF |
2016-01-27T21:54:27 |
@harrisonmike @natibrandi to really promote independent learning strategies #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:54:42 |
@ChrisPatrickF very true but you need to use the #eltchat hashtag |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:55:04 |
@Marisa_C I like discover English for my trainees. Didn't think to use it with my students :-) Duh! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:55:09 |
#eltchat - pls use this hashtag otherwise only me can see ur tweet https://t.co/gDKmlXsfns |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:55:26 |
@SueAnnan why not? #ELTchat |
| ChrisPatrickF |
2016-01-27T21:55:28 |
@Marisa_C personal favourite! #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:55:45 |
@theteacherjames @harrisonmike I guess that's why sharing aims is importnat. THey may never get we're doing a lang upgrade exercise #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:56:08 |
@Marisa_C Just didn't think. No good reason #ELTchat will dig my copy out after this |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:56:34 |
There are a lot more GREat titles not at my fingertips just now #eltchat but they are out there and Ts don;t know of them even |
| ChrisPatrickF |
2016-01-27T21:56:59 |
@natibrandi @theteacherjames @harrisonmike firm believer in sharing expected learner outcomes with class #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:57:00 |
C2 level should be as much about consolidating what has been learnt as much as it is about learning new things. #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:57:37 |
- and most of those new things should be vocabulary based! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:57:46 |
@SueAnnan Another one by Andrew Wright can't remember title now hang on a minute #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:57:53 |
@theteacherjames I know that and you do too. Try telling that to students who expect you to come up with the goods #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-01-27T21:58:06 |
@theteacherjames & others I used to give Ss the same dictation at beginning & end of course to get them to see their rogress. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T21:58:12 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan is hang on a minute the title? #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T21:58:53 |
@theteacherjames consolidating and expanding. I couldn't agree more! #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T21:58:55 |
@SueAnnan I understand it's difficult, but I think they need to respect your expertise more! #ELTchat |
| ChrisPatrickF |
2016-01-27T21:59:01 |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames yeah, learner expectations of quantity rather than quality and depth must be dealt with at C2 #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T21:59:03 |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan grrrrr #eltchat no and it's TONY not Andrew Wright |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:59:15 |
RT @ChrisPatrickF: @SueAnnan @theteacherjames yeah, learner expectations of quantity rather than quality and depth must be dealt with at C2… |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T21:59:31 |
RT @theteacherjames: @SueAnnan I understand it's difficult, but I think they need to respect your expertise more! #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T22:00:04 |
@GlenysHanson Yes, I think you have make progress very explicit at that level. Going back & looking at older written work can help. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T22:00:21 |
10.00 O'clock here. I'll write summary- unless anyone else fancies it? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T22:01:31 |
@SueAnnan Couldn't remember it but have it in our Library - will add to your transcript tomorrow #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2016-01-27T22:01:32 |
Thanks for great chat everyone, see you next week. #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2016-01-27T22:01:37 |
@SueAnnan I look forward to reading your title, difficult topic to tackle! Good night #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2016-01-27T22:02:08 |
Thanks everyone. Got some good ideas and some validation for what I've been doing. See you all soon #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T22:02:22 |
@ChrisPatrickF Great!!! #eltchat just keep it in your clipboard - we are on every week next week lunchtime |
| Shaunwilden |
2016-01-27T22:02:33 |
Night all see you next Wednesday lunchtime #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2016-01-27T22:03:22 |
Thanks everyone for stimulating me to create some new online grammar exercises. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2016-01-27T22:03:27 |
Thank you all for joining - hope this #eltchat has given you some ideas and inspiration = we do need someone to write the summary ??? |
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