| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:29:57 | @angelos_bollas @marisa_c @chucksandy I can’t believe the Greek education didn’t get you to read a text and answer questions #eltchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T12:29:59 | @angelos_bollas @Ashowski @Marisa_C Right. I scanned train scheduled in Japanese today but does scanning needs teaching? #eltchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:30:14 | #flipping is about teaching what matters. The more they read, watch and speak even at home the better they get #eltchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:30:22 | @GlenysHanson thanks! I was sure there was a hack for that! #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:30:30 | @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @chucksandy no it didn't - my study skills sucked and i had a really hard time at uni #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:30:39 | @angelos_bollas @chucksandy @marisa_c But do you need an Italian teacher to teach you how to scan in Italian? #eltchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:30:39 | It seems the 2016 version of #ELTchat is more of a debate.. #eltchat | |
| AlienReflection | 2016-01-06T12:30:40 | Yeah this style definitely doesn't work for elementary age students, middle school as well as not all have internet... #ELTchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:30:44 | @Marisa_C "Instructional content" - that's pretty vague, isn't it? Means you can flip in different ways, I think. #eltchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:31:00 | @Ashowski As a matter of fact, I paid one to do so! #ELTchat @chucksandy @marisa_c | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:31:04 | does anyone of you have experience in (partly) flipping their English class? #eltchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:31:17 | @AlienReflection it really does in France actuallu especially in the countryside and remote areas :) #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:31:17 | RT @Teachersilvert: #flipping is about teaching what matters. The more they read, watch and speak even at home the better they get #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:31:21 | @marisa_c @angelos_bollas @chucksandy Really? Fair enough. #eltchat | |
| AlienReflection | 2016-01-06T12:31:28 | And definitely not students who are learning English in a lower level. Which is what I teach. Guess that answers my questions. #ELTchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:31:31 | #eltchat Ls can’t effectively use L1 reading skills in L2 until proficiency is high enough (slide 11 onwards): https://t.co/1j8uj72gy5 | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:31:36 | @angelos_bollas @chucksandy @marisa_c Because? #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:31:38 | @angelos_bollas It happens when people are convinced their views are the only right ones :-D #ELTchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:31:44 | @theteacherjames Pete Sharma didn't have just one definition of flipping when I did his course on iTDi #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:31:45 | @chucksandy But, Chuck, you're someone who knows what scanning is and hot to do it. Do all SS know? #eltchat @Ashowski @Marisa_C | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:32:06 | @angelos_bollas @chucksandy @marisa_c Do they need to know it as long as they just do it? #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:32:19 | @AlienReflection guess you are answering your own questions dear Alien :-) but yes, i m following what you re saying #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:32:23 | @angelos_bollas @chucksandy @marisa_c I don’t need to be able to explain the intricacies of Polish grammar as long as I can use it #eltchat | |
| AlienReflection | 2016-01-06T12:32:46 | @Teachersilvert How would it work in rural places with no internet for students, if they have to do online reading outside class? #ELTchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:33:11 | @Ashowski that sounds like some of the backpackers I've come across who think they know enough to teach #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:33:14 | Diff learners, diff learning backgrounds, diff needs - we're not all the same! #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:33:19 | RT @angelos_bollas: It seems the 2016 version of #ELTchat is more of a debate.. #eltchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:33:20 | @AlienReflection given access to content online doesn't mean it has to be done overnight. Access= more chances to succeed #eltchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:33:22 | @SueAnnan Seems to me kind of content they use at home can be very varied. Doesn't have to be a particular language point. #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:33:26 | @angelos_bollas It’s great :D #eltchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T12:33:26 | @angelos_bollas @Ashowski @Marisa_C Yeah but scanned as a reader before learning a name for what i was doing in grad school ;-) #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:33:50 | @sueannan I mean, if you know the language, then you know. Teaching is something else. #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:33:50 | @AlienReflection @Teachersilvert My solution to this would be to give s's a printed version of any tasks set #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:34:03 | RT @chucksandy: @angelos_bollas @Ashowski @Marisa_C Yeah but scanned as a reader before learning a name for what i was doing in grad school… | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:34:15 | RT @theteacherjames: @SueAnnan Seems to me kind of content they use at home can be very varied. Doesn't have to be a particular language po… | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:34:16 | @esolcourses @AlienReflection ot to give enough time in class to catch up #eltchat | |
| AlienReflection | 2016-01-06T12:34:18 | Ah, so a teacher has to have access to technology and time for students to actually do the reading. #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:34:19 | @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c Knowing the name makes no difference surely #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:34:21 | RT @SueAnnan @Ashowski that sounds like some of the backpackers I've come across who think they know enough to teach > well said #ELTchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:34:32 | @miglmarl I set txt sourcing for supp materials to my reading class. Every1 reads all texts. Some1 forgets, no1 dies. Low stakes. #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:34:46 | @Ashowski @chucksandy @angelos_bollas no question about that #ELTchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:34:53 | @AlienReflection @Teachersilvert Does no internet also presume no phone network? #eltchat | |
| GlenysHanson | 2016-01-06T12:34:55 | @AlienReflection With lower level students, I helped them to express themselves, not to take in "content". All in class. #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:35:05 | RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski @chucksandy @angelos_bollas no question about that #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:35:12 | @chucksandy Contextual and cotextual References need lang awareness and training, though - each L different @Ashowski #eltchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:35:14 | @AlienReflection if one read the content in one group of say 4 he becomes the mastermind and can be helpful and explain #eltchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:35:20 | @AlienReflection With difficulty, although in principle doesn't have to be online to work. Reading & language work can be on paper #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:35:33 | @getgreatenglish @miglmarl Do they then report back on what they read? #eltchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T12:36:21 | @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C. Backed to flipped classrooms. Isn't that just a buzz word? Haven't Ss always done hw at home? #eltchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:36:29 | @AlienReflection then the teacher has more time for even more struggling sts #eltchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T12:36:35 | @getgreatenglish Popular literature helps, I find. #eltchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T12:36:43 | RT @getgreatenglish: #eltchat Fostering reading/listening for pleasure in L2 would be a far better use of time than grammar drills/coursebo… | |
| happytojoinyou | 2016-01-06T12:36:49 | @Ashowski Yes, they certainly do. That's how things are done in my univ #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:36:55 | @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c Flipped Learning doesn’t change anything really. 1/2 #eltchat | |
| AlienReflection | 2016-01-06T12:37:03 | I see. I have a feeling that this sort of style would not work in Korea at all (Students attend schools until 9pm, many diff school #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:37:08 | Flipped teaching (in other disciplines) means teaching CONTENT - what would you consider content in flipped ELT models mentioned? #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:37:13 | @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c The learning process still starts with Lesson Input - except it’s at home #eltchat 2/2 | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:37:23 | @chucksandy @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C well, yes but that's not #flippedclassroom #eltchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:37:24 | RT @Marisa_C: Flipped teaching (in other disciplines) means teaching CONTENT - what would you consider content in flipped ELT models mentio… | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:37:42 | I think the idea of content without instructional help first could miss the mark. As H/W it's not such a stretch #ELTchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:37:54 | @Marisa_C This is a really good ? #ELTchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T12:37:57 | @angelos_bollas Wasn't it always a debate? I've been away for awhile. This is fun #eltchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:37:59 | @Ashowski @miglmarl They source txt a then in class read each others'. Swapping. Talking. Ranking. Contrasting. #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:38:09 | In other words "What do you consider as INPUT' in flipping ELT lessons? #ELTchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:38:25 | @SueAnnan #ELTchat and needs of Ss & groups are so variable - so discussing efficacy of 'flipping' as if inherent to it won't help, no? | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:38:29 | @getgreatenglish @miglmarl I like it. Sounds like a bit like TBL #eltchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:38:56 | @AlienReflection But don't they do homework? This is a replacement for that, in my view. More efficient. #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:39:00 | @Marisa_C Now that is a good question! I think we need more content teaching in #ELT #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:39:02 | @Shaunwilden not sure what u are asking - I was asking a question #eltchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:39:08 | @Marisa_C Should be teaching lang and skills - It seems ppl are talking assigning time-consuming tasks at home instead of class tho #eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:39:10 | @tesolmatthew Yes. The variability of students needs has to be addressed #ELTchat | |
| GlenysHanson | 2016-01-06T12:39:29 | @chucksandy @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C My adult students hardly ever did any homework. Had to do everything in class. #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:39:46 | @GlenysHanson Mine too! :( #ELTchat @chucksandy @Ashowski @Marisa_C | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:39:54 | @angelos_bollas @marisa_c Consuming tasks at home which can be done at home to free up more class time #eltchat | |
| AlienReflection | 2016-01-06T12:39:54 | @theteacherjames No, they don't. There is no time in a student's day. Everything has to be done in class (Elem-High school) #ELTchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:39:56 | @Marisa_C Yes i was saying it was good question, the idea of what the content is that we need to flip #eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:40:03 | and mine :-( #ELTchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:40:24 | @BrunoELT @sloumarsh let me add "don't get involved with #ELTchat" to that list ;P #445am | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:40:24 | @glenyshanson @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c They do it when they realise it’s useful ;) esp in FL #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:40:24 | RT @Marisa_C: Flipped teaching (in other disciplines) means teaching CONTENT - what would you consider content in flipped ELT models mentio… | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:41:04 | @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C exactly! #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:41:05 | @marisa_c anything that provides input of vocab, grammar, knowledge of other language features (e.g. genre, BrE vs AmE) so… 1/2 #eltchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:41:06 | @Ashowski @miglmarl It's the gallery reading activity off my blog. #eltchat https://t.co/vkQXmIO9M9 | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:41:08 | @Shaunwilden well, most of the stuff mentioned so far sounds like homework to me #eltchat and prepping vocab on one's own is ALSO homework | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:41:24 | RT @getgreatenglish: @Ashowski @miglmarl It's the gallery reading activity off my blog. #eltchat https://t.co/vkQXmIO9M9 | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:41:25 | @Marisa_C pre-teaching vocabulary is the most obvious one that springs to mind - s's come to class prepped to discuss topic #ELTchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:41:27 | @AlienReflection I used to teach in Korea, so I know what you're talking about. Crazy hours! #eltchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:41:52 | #ELTchat are we 'flipping' teacher development right here & now? | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:42:13 | @marisa_c 2/2 any sort of written or spoken texts, live or recorded, online or offline + guiding questions or tasks #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:42:13 | @harrisonmike thanks Mike - which takes me to the difficulty of inputting content in this way without going back to lecturing #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:42:22 | @tesolmatthew We don't do it on our own, though.. We interact.. Just like in a classroom! #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:42:47 | @Marisa_C Flipped approach can also be used for first reading/first listening of a text you plan to focus on in the next lesson #ELTChat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:42:59 | @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I think the flipped part is this vocab stuff leads to coming lesson, not after just done lesson #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:43:11 | @marisa_c I think in essence flipping in ELT for me boils down to extensive reading and listening #eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:43:20 | @angelos_bollas Unless we prepared, or are then going to do more individual research on the topic :-) #ELTchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:43:26 | @tesolmatthew That's the thing. It's supposedly instructional. Lecture on video but in ELT lecturing is a dark art. #eltchat | |
| GlenysHanson | 2016-01-06T12:43:31 | @Ashowski @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c They'd agree it was useful but not do it - children, job, travelling. Busy people. #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:43:39 | @Marisa_C @harrisonmike Is lecturing necessarily bad? There is some research to show it is useful/effective to a degree #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:43:39 | content in ELT is LANGUAGE that's what we teach - skills training is one of the incidentals we need in order to acquire more lang #ELTchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:43:45 | @Marisa_C @harrisonmike what is so bad about 'lecturing', explaining grammar rules, pronunciation, spelling, etc? #eltchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T12:43:51 | @miglmarl @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C I know. Freeing content courses up for exploratory work makes good sense. But ELT? #eltchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:43:51 | @Marisa_C @harrisonmike but at least at home I can put my teacher on PAUSE and rewind #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:43:52 | @tesolmatthew I think we might be :D #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:44:00 | RT @Marisa_C: content in ELT is LANGUAGE that's what we teach - skills training is one of the incidentals we need in order to acquire more … | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:44:11 | @miglmarl @harrisonmike not bad just doesn't work all that well #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:44:13 | RT @harrisonmike: @marisa_c I think in essence flipping in ELT for me boils down to extensive reading and listening #eltchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T12:44:18 | @getgreatenglish They read Wiki and turn it into assignments, in my class. But I doubt they understand bcos they copy "[edit]" :-D #eltchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:44:23 | RT @Marisa_C: content in ELT is LANGUAGE that's what we teach - skills training is one of the incidentals we need in order to acquire more … | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:44:40 | RT @chucksandy I know. Freeing content courses up for exploratory work makes good sense. But ELT? #ELTchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:44:42 | @Marisa_C Yes i agree, I think content could be the presentation part of a systems focus #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:44:49 | @ashowski @marisa_c do you mean teaching items of language as ‘content’, e.g. grammar, vocab. OR teaching content through lang? #eltchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:45:16 | @esolcourses That's my preferred use of flipping, with some extra language work if necessary. #eltchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:45:17 | @TesalKoksi That's pre-warned and gets a zero for participation for that lesson and that piece of homework. #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:45:21 | @harrisonmike first - items of language = content #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:45:29 | @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C Daisy Christodoulou work suggests lecturing isn't that bad at all #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:45:33 | RT @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Yes i agree, I think content could be the presentation part of a systems focus #ELTchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:45:36 | @teachersilvert @marisa_c can’t ask them to rephrase though, and they can’t see when you’re struggling either #eltchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:45:39 | @chucksandy @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C that's the question. maybe only parts could be flipped? Grammar explanations? #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:45:46 | @harrisonmike @Marisa_C content through language #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:46:09 | RT @theteacherjames: @esolcourses That's my preferred use of flipping, with some extra language work if necessary. #eltchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T12:46:10 | @Marisa_C When's the last time anyone gave a lecture in an ELT course? Mini-lectures to deliver content for language work yes but #eltchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:46:13 | @Marisa_C @harrisonmike I have a different experience #eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:46:16 | Not easy to do DEmand High stuff if students working at home #ELTchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:46:26 | @ashowski @marisa_c so in a CLIL context then? #eltchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:46:33 | @Ashowski @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C but she wasnt really talking about language education was she #eltchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T12:46:35 | @getgreatenglish Yup! Straight F for that paper. #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:46:41 | @Ashowski @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew oh well why didn't you say so in the first place!!!! #ELTchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:46:49 | #ELTchat @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden eg 'watch this TED talk' w/ gist Qs..then class straight to detail & Lang focus? flip text based lessons? | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:46:59 | @harrisonmike @Marisa_C More like CLIL but not 100% CLIL #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:47:01 | @miglmarl @marisa_c all depends on the lecturer IMO #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:47:14 | @theteacherjames for higher levels, mine too. With lower levels, vocabulary prep beforehand can save a lot of time in class IME #eltchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:47:18 | @SueAnnan But that could be done in the follow up lesson #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:47:22 | RT @tesolmatthew: #ELTchat @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden eg 'watch this TED talk' w/ gist Qs..then class straight to detail & Lang focus? flip tex… | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:47:26 | @theteacherjames @esolcourses language can only be taught with content (topics) no? #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:47:40 | @miglmarl @harrisonmike me too - hundreds of adults who spent years and loads of money learning rules w/o ability to talk #ELTchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:47:45 | @Shaunwilden true #ELTchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:47:48 | @Marisa_C @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew :-D #eltchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:48:02 | @Ashowski @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C For CLIL, Ok. 'This is the present perfect…' is dire. Get them using language, not metalanguage. #eltchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:48:16 | @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C And with ted you could make the lesson flipped anyway using ted-ed #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:48:26 | @Shaunwilden @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C Talking about education in general - language education is still education #eltchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:48:39 | @esolcourses Agreed. Anything to save that time! #eltchat | |
| GlenysHanson | 2016-01-06T12:48:40 | @miglmarl @theteacherjames @esolcourses I almost never used any "content" except for exam prep which I hated. #ELTchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:48:47 | @miglmarl @theteacherjames Yes, I'd say so. Certainly that is how I do it, anyway #eltchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T12:48:53 | @Ashowski @Marisa_C But what if the medium itself is English and the students' proficiency is no where near the mark? #eltchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:48:53 | @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden sounds like a good idea #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:49:07 | @tesalkoksi @marisa_c Then they are in the wrong level ;) #eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:49:12 | @Shaunwilden There's a new coursebook based on Ted Talks. Can't remember its name- looked interesting #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:49:24 | @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Keynote? #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:49:46 | #eltchat, what I really don’t like is how flipped learning always seems to be presented as some kind of magic bullet | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:49:48 | @Ashowski I have it read it! I think our brand of education differed from the one she talks not that the points can’t be applied #eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:49:52 | @angelos_bollas Well remembered #ELTchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:49:54 | @Marisa_C @Ashowski @getgreatenglish he didn't want to lecture ya #ELTchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:50:10 | @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan i think so #eltchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:50:11 | definitely but students appreciate having access to explanations any time they need it @harrisonmike #eltchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:50:18 | @Ashowski @Shaunwilden @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C yes but we do procedural knowledge & application, not declarative knowledge only. #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:50:24 | @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden It's from National Geographic #eltchat | |
| juliacphang | 2016-01-06T12:50:34 | @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Ooh, I'd be very interested in this! #ELTchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:50:35 | @harrisonmike because it can kill you :) heaps of work #eltchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:50:37 | @harrisonmike That's true with every 'new' name, no? Communicative, CLIL, authentic, autonomous, flipped, experiential, etc. #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:50:38 | RT @Shaunwilden: @Ashowski I have it read it! I think our brand of education differed from the one she talks not that the points can’t be a… | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:50:42 | @tesolmatthew @Ashowski @getgreatenglish lol am gobsmacked - Daisy`!~!!~! OK then I bow my head #eltchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:50:46 | @miglmarl @esolcourses Yes I'd normally favour flipping as a good way to introduce content; lesson for vocab, discussion & practice #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:50:57 | @Shaunwilden Her book just arrived at my home the other day. Can't wait to stat reading it. #eltchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:51:07 | @Marisa_C @harrisonmike use classtime for talking (=skill) instead of learning about rules #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:51:08 | RT @getgreatenglish: @Ashowski @Shaunwilden @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C yes but we do procedural knowledge & application, not declarative knowl… | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:51:18 | @harrisonmike with the flipped learning system you can help those who wouldn't dare ask for help in class #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:51:22 | @harrisonmike It's definitely not magic. I'd even say it's nothing particularly new in #ELT #eltchat | |
| GlenysHanson | 2016-01-06T12:51:39 | @angelos_bollas @harrisonmike @angelos_bollas @harrisonmike Agree no magic bullets in my classroom. Just hard graft. #ELTchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T12:51:43 | @Ashowski @Marisa_C Even if all the subjects r taught in English? Would their language level still matter? How could we solve this? #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:51:53 | @tesolmatthew @marisa_c @shaunwilden if Ss can navigate TED website interface and use other tools (e.g. dictionary) 4 support #eltchat | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:52:06 | @Marisa_C @tesolmatthew @getgreatenglish What? Why? You not like her? #eltchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:52:12 | @GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas @harrisonmike @angelos_bollas @harrisonmike at least we keep trying :) #eltchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T12:52:19 | @harrisonmike That's what I meant when I asked if flipped learning is just another pretty buzz word. Like 21st century teacher #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:52:26 | My personal view is stop using the FL term -go back to good old HO or if u want to tart it up the Ss, call them challenges or sth #ELTchat | |
| michaelegriffin | 2016-01-06T12:52:38 | RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, what I really don’t like is how flipped learning always seems to be presented as some kind of magic bullet | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:52:43 | @miglmarl @theteacherjames e.g., I might set this vocab as prep. for a discussion on applying for jobs https://t.co/Qa0SpZXfam #eltchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:52:52 | @Ashowski @SueAnnan I was just putting the leaflet for it in conference bags #eltchat https://t.co/k5Hd5gAv4x | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:52:53 | With less than 10 minutes to go- Can I ask someone to write the summary of this, please? #ELTchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:53:21 | @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden sounds promising...oh, please oh please lord send us some refreshing dynamic course books #amen #ELTchat #fatchance? | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:53:26 | RT @SueAnnan: With less than 10 minutes to go- Can I ask someone to write the summary of this, please? #ELTchat | |
| ELTchat | 2016-01-06T12:53:26 | RT @SueAnnan: With less than 10 minutes to go- Can I ask someone to write the summary of this, please? #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:53:32 | RT @chucksandy That's what I meant when I asked if flipped learning just another pretty buzz word. >YES! #ELTchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:53:38 | @Shaunwilden I skimmed it at Tesol FRance #ELTchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:53:39 | RT @chucksandy: @harrisonmike That's what I meant when I asked if flipped learning is just another pretty buzz word. Like 21st century teac… | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:53:54 | @miglmarl provided they all been written and/or recorded for flipping beforehand… #eltchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T12:54:00 | @harrisonmike Agreed, I don't like any kind of magic bullet. We don't know enough about SLA & we're too context dependent for that! #eltchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:54:08 | RT @SueAnnan: With less than 10 minutes to go- Can I ask someone to write the summary of this, please? #ELTchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:54:27 | RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, what I really don’t like is how flipped learning always seems to be presented as some kind of magic bullet | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:54:37 | @chucksandy @harrisonmike Don't get me started on 21st Century Skills. Such as? Time travel? #eltchat | |
| AlienReflection | 2016-01-06T12:54:40 | I agree, I think FL is just a buzzword at this point, this conversation convinced me of that. It's just a slightly different way #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:54:41 | RT @theteacherjames ....t. We don't know enough about SLA & we're too context dependent for that! > so true! #ELTchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:54:43 | @tesolmatthew Check out iTDi. Penny Ur will be running a course on how to maximise material, starting Sunday #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:54:53 | @getgreatenglish @chucksandy @harrisonmike te he he #ELTchat | |
| AlienReflection | 2016-01-06T12:54:56 | but requires a lot from students that you can't assume they have access to unless they are university level. #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:54:58 | RT @SueAnnan: @tesolmatthew Check out iTDi. Penny Ur will be running a course on how to maximise material, starting Sunday #ELTchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:55:05 | @theteacherjames definitely. Any content, intro to new lang point outside so that practice inside where T can individually help #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:55:07 | @teachersilvert which you could also do by simply giving them a channel 2 communicate their worries outside class (e.g. work email) #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:55:33 | @theteacherjames @harrisonmike agreed. It can be done well, or done badly, as with just about everything else #eltchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:55:47 | @harrisonmike @teachersilvert tried already, too much work I chose a learning platform Ss less worried more engaged #eltchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:55:47 | ATTENTION #ELTchat - Summary Writer needed! Don't be shy..... | |
| EplanetEdu | 2016-01-06T12:55:56 | RT @harrisonmike: @teachersilvert which you could also do by simply giving them a channel 2 communicate their worries outside class (e.g. w… | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:55:57 | RT @SueAnnan: @tesolmatthew Check out iTDi. Penny Ur will be running a course on how to maximise material, starting Sunday #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:56:00 | May I ask if there is a brave hero or heroine who might want to do the summary of theis heated #ELTchat? #ELTchat | |
| MaWSIG | 2016-01-06T12:56:10 | RT @racheldaw18: The @MaWSIG conference line-up looks great! Some great topics for the new year! https://t.co/fVICvCQkjR #elt #iatefl #eltc… | |
| Ashowski | 2016-01-06T12:56:24 | I have to go now. Thank you for an amazing #eltchat everyone. Esp @Marisa_C & @angelos_bollas for challenging points/questions :-) #elt | |
| ELTchat | 2016-01-06T12:56:31 | RT @Marisa_C: May I ask if there is a brave hero or heroine who might want to do the summary of theis heated #ELTchat? #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:56:34 | My hair is still standing on end! :-D I love it - good debate #ELTchat | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:56:36 | RT @angelos_bollas: ATTENTION #ELTchat - Summary Writer needed! Don't be shy..... | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:56:41 | @teachersilvert how long did it take you to prepare all the flipped content? #eltchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T12:56:54 | @Marisa_C Not going to even mention "demand high" but ELT does like & hate pretty buzz words. What wld be talk abt w/out them? :-) #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:56:57 | @Ashowski @angelos_bollas Cheers happy to lock horns with ya any time!!! :_D #ELTchat | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T12:57:04 | @harrisonmike @teachersilvert for one term, 2 to 3 months work every day #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:57:17 | @chucksandy don't start me on that one pls Chuck #ELTchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:57:18 | A great start to the #ELTChat year. Don't forget that next week will be at the later time of 9 pm GMT #ELTchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:57:19 | #eltchat @TesalKoksi for what you're talking about there has to be a lot of remedial work if learners studying syllabus pitched too high. | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:57:21 | @getgreatenglish @chucksandy @harrisonmike hoverboard skills, etc. #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T12:57:43 | RT @Marisa_C: May I ask if there is a brave hero or heroine who might want to do the summary of theis heated #ELTchat? #ELTchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:57:45 | @esolcourses @theteacherjames I suppose if you did a screencast of it, you would also give input on pronunciation, etc. :-) #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T12:57:47 | RT @SueAnnan: A great start to the #ELTChat year. Don't forget that next week will be at the later time of 9 pm GMT #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:57:54 | RT @angelos_bollas ATTENTION #ELTchat - Summary Writer needed! Don't be shy..... #ELTchat | |
| GlenysHanson | 2016-01-06T12:58:01 | So we can show Geoff Jordan that we're not always so "nice." I like a good ding dong. #ELTchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:58:24 | #eltchat, this is what no one wants to tell you:flipped learning = homeworksimples | |
| Shaunwilden | 2016-01-06T12:58:25 | good to be back to #ELTchat see you next Wednesday evening | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:58:27 | @theteacherjames @harrisonmike yes to 'context dependent'! I wanna tattoo of that! #ELTchat #wifewouldkillme | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:58:36 | @miglmarl @esolcourses @theteacherjames screencasts were not mentioned - we got caught up in the whys and wherefores :-) #ELTchat | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T12:58:41 | @harrisonmike of course. no prob - screencast of 5 min. is fun for T and S :-) #eltchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T12:59:02 | RT @SueAnnan: @tesolmatthew Check out iTDi. Penny Ur will be running a course on how to maximise material, starting Sunday #ELTchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T12:59:18 | @getgreatenglish I agree. But at the end of the day, it always comes back to the permission of the institution. #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T12:59:22 | haven’t we been flipping stuff (‘Go and read this article’ ‘Watch the news and write down vocab’) for ages already?#eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T12:59:24 | RT @SueAnnan A great start to the #ELTChat year. Don't forget that next week will be at the later time of 9 pm GMT #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:59:24 | @tesolmatthew @theteacherjames @harrisonmike i do tattoos as well with whiteboard markers #ELTchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T12:59:50 | @harrisonmike go on please Mike yes! #ELTchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T12:59:58 | #eltchat @TesalKoksi then it's main content vocab and typical target structures (with L1 translation?) > gap fills > ind production. | |
| juliacphang | 2016-01-06T13:00:03 | Lots to take in from a great first #ELTchat of 2016! See you all again soon I hope! | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T13:00:07 | Summary writer!!!!!!!!!!!! Where art thou? #ELTchat | |
| angelos_bollas | 2016-01-06T13:00:25 | I will be asking for a summary writer everyday until next week unless someone decides to do it! #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T13:00:30 | oh well they all gone #ELTchat | |
| GlenysHanson | 2016-01-06T13:00:39 | Thanks everyone and bye! #ELTchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T13:00:48 | @harrisonmike you read my mind :-D #ELTchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T13:00:48 | @TesalKoksi Hence homework's importance.#ELTchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T13:00:48 | Might have time this week :-) #ELTchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T13:00:54 | Hope you don't mind a plug but Penny Ur starts Sunday & there are scholarships too. https://t.co/vypl4y6g1Q #eltchat https://t.co/GnbItCdyJC | |
| Teachersilvert | 2016-01-06T13:01:03 | bye for now thanks #eltchat | |
| esolcourses | 2016-01-06T13:01:07 | @Marisa_C @miglmarl @theteacherjames Manyana :-) In the meantime, @russell1955 has some useful tips on this https://t.co/wYg81zT8qo #eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T13:01:13 | RT @chucksandy: Hope you don't mind a plug but Penny Ur starts Sunday & there are scholarships too. https://t.co/vypl4y6g1Q #eltchat https:… | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T13:01:22 | @harrisonmike Hmm, I see where you're coming from but maybe I'd call it 'special homework' :-D #eltchat | |
| harrisonmike | 2016-01-06T13:01:24 | @teachersilvert 2-3 months working everyday to produce content for one term?!?!? That seems like a LOT #eltchat | |
| SueAnnan | 2016-01-06T13:01:45 | Bye peeps #ELTchat | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T13:02:00 | @getgreatenglish I guess we're back to square one ha ha. Thanks 4 the comments, Marc! #ELTchat | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T13:02:03 | RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, this is what no one wants to tell you:flipped learning = homeworksimples | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T13:02:17 | @GlenysHanson :D & let me just leave w/ flourish remind u all that ur hopeless & misguided drivel can hardly be read w/out fainting #ELTchat | |
| michaelegriffin | 2016-01-06T13:02:22 | RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, this is what no one wants to tell you:flipped learning = homeworksimples | |
| michaelegriffin | 2016-01-06T13:02:37 | RT @harrisonmike: haven’t we been flipping stuff (‘Go and read this article’ ‘Watch the news and write down vocab’) for ages already?#elt… | |
| TesalKoksi | 2016-01-06T13:02:39 | RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, this is what no one wants to tell you:flipped learning = homeworksimples | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T13:02:48 | RT @Marisa_C: @tesolmatthew @theteacherjames @harrisonmike i do tattoos as well with whiteboard markers #ELTchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T13:02:51 | RT @chucksandy: Hope you don't mind a plug but Penny Ur starts Sunday & there are scholarships too. https://t.co/TA36hwjeAJ #eltchat | |
| khourbran | 2016-01-06T13:03:03 | I guess we're back to square one ha ha. Thanks 4 the comments, Marc! #ELTchat https://t.co/CXOjC2wLQJ https://t.co/yF6E8Ku9Kn | |
| miglmarl | 2016-01-06T13:03:05 | @Marisa_C @esolcourses @theteacherjames if discussing the why's and wherefore's then the how should be discussed, too? no? #eltchat | |
| theteacherjames | 2016-01-06T13:03:13 | Thanks for an excellent start to 2016 on #eltchat everyone! | |
| getgreatenglish | 2016-01-06T13:03:20 | RT @harrisonmike: @teachersilvert 2-3 months working everyday to produce content for one term?!?!? That seems like a LOT #eltchat | |
| chucksandy | 2016-01-06T13:03:24 | Thanks! @SueAnnan @tesolmatthew And Penny Ur has some things to say about flipped learning ;-) https://t.co/vypl4y6g1Q #eltchat | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T13:04:29 | @miglmarl for sure - have a look though at the two summaries of #ELTchats on same topic https://t.co/HyZtsno1VS #ELTchat | |
| GlenysHanson | 2016-01-06T13:04:32 | RT @tesolmatthew: @GlenysHanson :D & let me just leave w/ flourish remind u all that ur hopeless & misguided drivel can hardly be read w/ou… | |
| Marisa_C | 2016-01-06T13:05:06 | @miglmarl the other one https://t.co/UqYdg2GqNj #ELTchat | |
| tesolmatthew | 2016-01-06T13:05:19 | @GlenysHanson #ELTchat right that should seal the deal *fights urge to include jk, etc. & offer gratitude n praise for bodhisattvic PLN* | |