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Flipped Learning 3

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ELTchat 2016-01-06T11:15:09 Flipped Learning: what it is, how it works, and why it might be effective the ELT classroom. Join #ELTchat in 45 minutes!!!
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T11:54:33 JOin us for the first #ELTChat of the year in 5 minutes Do you want to know more about Flipped learning ?
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T11:56:01 You can use @Nurph for #ELTchat - Here's the link: https://t.co/hPMtG9uVCx
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T11:59:50 Yes please - I do I do #eltchat join us!!!! we are raring to go back on #ELTchat mode!!!  https://t.co/J4MYZN2N6G
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:00:58 New to ELTchat, first meeting. Can't attend for too long but interested in learning about flipped learning.  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:01:58 Hello and welcome @AlienReflection about to get started  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:02:08 Hi #ELTchat - I am here and ready to go
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:02:14 RT @SueAnnan: JOin us for the first #ELTChat of the year in 5 minutes Do you want to know more about Flipped learning ?
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:02:16 @AlienReflection  Check out the summaries on https://t.co/ZZKzLY5RM6 too . There is already something useful on Flipped Learning #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:02:23 @AlienReflection Welcome! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:02:32 @Ashowski hya boy ! happy new year #ELTchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:02:36 Hello everyone! Glad I can join this time :) #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:02:47 @AlienReflection Hello and welcome to the gang! :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:03:21 @juliacphang Hello Julia and great to see u HNY2u2 #ELTchat
SyedaJavaid 2016-01-06T12:03:22 @AlienReflection welcome to #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:03:47 So, who uses flipped learning already? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:03:50 No jokes with the word 'flipping' please, OK? #ELTchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:04:06 Happy new year #eltchatters around the world! #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:04:13 How should we get started? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:04:22 @theteacherjames  to you too #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:04:33 @SueAnnan I haven't but I want to, desperately! #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:04:34 Happy New Year everyone. It's a new year full of new things & I'm glad to back in it and here for #eltchat.
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:04:41 @theteacherjames @SueAnnan @theteacherjames Moderators galore!!! It's great to see you all  #ELTchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:04:49 @Marisa_C Happy New Year :) #ELTchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:04:57 @theteacherjames and the same to you! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:05:04 @chucksandy great to have you with us. Happy New Year #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:05:05 RT @theteacherjames: Happy new year #eltchatters around the world! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:05:15 Hi @chucksandy - great to have you here :) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:05:20 @chucksandy Chuck!!!! Much love and happiness for the New Year ( I say you go all the way...!!!!!! )  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:05:33 @chucksandy nice to see you here Chuck! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:06:04 So what is 'flipped' learning? What do we flip?  #ELTchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:06:04 I must admit I know very little about flipped learning... #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:06:05 Hello eltchatters, and Happy New Year! #ELTchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:06:18 I'm experimenting with a kind of of flipped light approach: asking sts to read articles & watch videos before class. #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:06:28 @chucksandy Look at the welcome you get from everyone! :D #jealous #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:06:39 @esolcourses My sweet Sue happy new year - miss you loads - see you in B?  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:06:46 been flippinglearning this year with Dip Trainees. It seems more useful for them to read at their own pace, before f2f discussion #ELTchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:06:47 Gives us more time to work on other things in lesson time. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:06:58 RT @SueAnnan: been flippinglearning this year with Dip Trainees. It seems more useful for them to read at their own pace, before f2f discus…
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:07:15 @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa & everyone. Yes go all the way! To get right into it - does the flipped classroom modal even work for ELT? #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:07:21 @theteacherjames A colleague is doing this as a learner of German himself. He seems to find it effective. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:07:23 @esolcourses great to 'see' you honey #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:07:28 @SueAnnan so what do they do outside class - reading or some other form of input?  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:07:41 RT @SueAnnan: been flippinglearning this year with Dip Trainees. It seems more useful for them to read at their own pace, before f2f discus…
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:08:01 We've chatted about flipped learning in the past - we could talk about flipped training today.. No? #eltchat  https://t.co/ewsfpeNU7T
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:08:04 @Marisa_C I don't think it is the standard definition of "doing the homework in class and the classwork at home" #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:08:10 @chucksandy I have no direct experience other than with teachers - am here to learn - but have some doubts  #ELTchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:08:11 @theteacherjames I also do this with my Ss - I teach exclusively 1-1, so we both read/watch before then discuss in class #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:08:16 Moodle @Marisa_C . But they feel lost without f2f too #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:08:32 @chucksandy @Marisa_C I think so, and it doesn't necessarily have to be technological #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:08:34 Hi everybody! #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:08:34 @SueAnnan great to 'see 'you too, Sue! #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:08:40 RT @Marisa_C: @SueAnnan so what do they do outside class - reading or some other form of input?  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:08:44 @juliacphang @theteacherjames Saving much useful time, indeed #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:08:58 @theteacherjames That's interesting. I like the term "flipped light approach".  How's that going? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:09:06 @GlenysHanson Hello Glenys! :-D Happy New Year! :) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:09:07 @angelos_bollas sure we have sygnomi kyrie :-D #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:09:12 @Marisa_C @chucksandy What doubts  do you have? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:09:40 @chucksandy @theteacherjames Anything light shows a willingness to compromise - surely a healthy stance? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:09:54 Its true- I only tried it with trainee teachers, would it work for students? #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:10:01 @theteacherjames Why the word 'light'? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:10:09 @Ashowski @chucksandy My doubts - flipped input takes us back to old lecture mode learning  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:10:46 @marisa_c @chucksandy but it could be as simple as doing the reading or listening at home #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:10:50 I see it as part of my role to be part of and present in the discovery process  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:10:54 @Marisa_C unless the workshop that follows is productive? #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:10:58 Agree. I find that works well with s's myself. Another way to flip things is to set follow-up activities #ELTchat https://t.co/HrttDrPvuR
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:11:08 @SueAnnan I think so. Other #ELT teachers have done it #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:11:14 RT @Marisa_C: @chucksandy @theteacherjames Anything light shows a willingness to compromise - surely a healthy stance? #ELTchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:11:16 @Marisa_C yes in teacher development work flipping things works for sure. But like you I have doubts flipped language work works #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:11:25 @Ashowski @chucksandy I don't agree with that at all!!!!!! I think for reasons of training they SHOULD be done in class  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:11:46 @Marisa_C If lecturing is done by the ss themselves-reporting back on what they've studied at home, etc.? @Ashowski @chucksandy #ELTchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:11:48 Can someone give us noobies a FlippedLearning101 rundown quickly, so we can catch up with all the ideas? #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:12:01 RT @theteacherjames: I'm experimenting with a kind of of flipped light approach: asking sts to read articles & watch videos before class. #…
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:12:01 @marisa_c @chucksandy Why? What’s so important to train? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:12:30 @Ashowski Skills? How to be more effective readers? etc.? @marisa_c @chucksandy #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:12:31 @angelos_bollas  Why the need to lecture at all?  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:12:40 @Ashowski @chucksandy u picking some kind of bone here about learner training and I suspect a blog post will follow suit?  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:13:33 @SueAnnan If all the reading/watching/etc. happens at home, what is left for class? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:13:40 @chucksandy It's mainly a time saver but I think it also helps the sts to take their time, be more considered when reading/watching #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:13:44 The assumption that what Ss can do in their L1 they can do equally well in their L2 does not have very much of a basis #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:13:58 @chucksandy @Marisa_C How do you define "works"? Mainly done but what's now called flipped learning s - tudents make progress. #ELTchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:14:01 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @Ashowski Ss doing the lecturing? That's flipping things in a good direction. But what abt language work #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:14:22 Speaking and listening practice? :-) #ELTchat https://t.co/kcBtCdPGMQ
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:14:34 @marisa_c @chucksandy No #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:14:39 @Marisa_C @Ashowski @chucksandy any input can be done outside; students would have access to this input as often as needed #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:14:43 @Ashowski Because it's not a full implementation, more of a time saving technique. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:14:45 @chucksandy this should happen in class, I think. #ELTchat @Marisa_C @Ashowski
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:15:01 @chucksandy Language work can be done at home with exercises and practiced in class. Accuracy at home. Fluency in class. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:15:15 @esolcourses We have your website for these - So, they can be done at home too! :-P :-D #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:15:16 RT @miglmarl: @Marisa_C @Ashowski @chucksandy any input can be done outside; students would have access to this input as often as needed #e…
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:15:32 I could see Ss taking up some sort of Reading and Listening Challenge - doing 'narrow reading and listening' as Krashen defines it #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:15:41 @angelos_bollas @marisa_c @chucksandy Is teaching skills necessary? See this: https://t.co/aqIjPYayc6 #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:15:44 @angelos_bollas I have a blog post called Flipped Teacher Training coming next week! #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:16:06 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @Marisa_C I feel like my CELTA Ts need all time/space for planning they can get, but do want 2 flip more #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:16:10 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan IME, setting reading/vocabulary activities before class frees up more time for discussion #ELTChat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:16:17 @theteacherjames @chucksandy I have good experience in that. they can watch a video, e.g. on a grammar point, as often as needed #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:16:23 RT @theteacherjames: @angelos_bollas I have a blog post called Flipped Teacher Training coming next week! #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:16:25 My thoughts exactly. No guarantee input will actually be taken in by Ss #eltchat https://t.co/DMH5CJdUBk
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:16:28 @Marisa_C @Ashowski But will they do it outside of class @miglmarl? #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:16:49 @theteacherjames Fair enough. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:16:50 @juliacphang I'm going to be doing 1-1s again soon, so it's going to be my approach. #eltchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:16:55 My limited understanding is that Ss do, for example, the listening at home then discuss in class #ELTchat https://t.co/gd0qncx5kV
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:16:56 @chucksandy @Ashowski @miglmarl That's the other question  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:17:08 @esolcourses @SueAnnan Fully agree! But, some strategy training needed to take place in class, don't you think? #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:17:12 #eltchat Hi all. When input is set for homework, not all Ss do it. When they 'do it in class' it gives excuse to switch off.
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:17:15 @chucksandy @Marisa_C @miglmarl Yes. And if they don't, then they do it in class :-) That's what @russell1955 recommends #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:17:16 @angelos_bollas LOL! Yes. This is true :-) My site started off as a way for my own s's to get more practice between lessons #ELTchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:17:24 hello all, by assigning SS clear roles they'll know what to do in class. Gives teacher time to review their HW at home. #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:17:24 @Ashowski @chucksandy Why not both accuracy and fluency in class? #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:17:25 RT @angelos_bollas: @esolcourses @SueAnnan Fully agree! But, some strategy training needed to take place in class, don't you think? #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:17:41 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan reacting and responding? #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:17:42 @Ashowski Not sure I agree here @marisa_c @chucksandy #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:18:01 @GlenysHanson @Ashowski @chucksandy classes too large maybe? #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:18:01 @juliacphang not just discussing but also vocab work and language work or comprehension work based on their notes #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:18:04 @ashowski @marisa_c @chucksandy not all Ss have v developed study skills, so asking to read/listen @ home might be difficult 4 them #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:18:21 @GlenysHanson @Ashowski  Yes why not both fluency -and- accuracy? ;-) That's an old & good question still.  #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:18:24 @harrisonmike @ashowski @marisa_c @chucksandy not all the SS do their HW so... #eltchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:18:28 @Ashowski Thx! Was hoping someone else would expand on my v limited understanding :) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:18:34 When training for exams it might work as revision. But the skills to pass the exam need help in class IMO #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:18:41 @esolcourses @angelos_bollas My ssites started off that we too - never enough time for practice in class. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:18:44 It could also kill motivation if too hard for some #eltchat  https://t.co/1LgPZVYf11
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:18:47 will this not be the students' responsibility? If they know input is practiced in class, they will take it in. @harrisonmike #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:19:14 Well just because Scott said skills do not need training this is no holy gospel !!!!!  #ELTchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:19:16 @angelos_bollas @ashowski @marisa_c @chucksandy IMO c’room ‘training’ in reading/listening is encouraging them to do more 1/2 #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:19:22 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan yes, absolutely! I see flipped activities as preparing s's to hit the ground running #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:19:25 Thanks @juliacphang that helps. Pretty sure this style won't work for my current students, elem, but next year University so maybe #ELTchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:19:28 yes because after some getting used time, they see the advantages @chucksandy @Marisa_C @Ashowski #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:19:36 @Teachersilvert @Ashowski @chucksandy I've workded with 25 students and occasionally 50+ #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:19:39 RT @GlenysHanson: @esolcourses @angelos_bollas My ssites started off that we too - never enough time for practice in class. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:19:40 @Ashowski Transfer not always applicable tho #ELTchat @Marisa_C @chucksandy
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:19:41 if meaninigful flipped activities are given, teaching time improves in class #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:19:58 @harrisonmike @Marisa_C @chucksandy So perfect opportunity for them to practice it :) #eltchat At home they can listen again and again
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:20:12 @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @chucksandy I'm less & less convinced of the need for reading skills, & more for vocab work. #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:20:15 @angelos_bollas @ashowski @marisa_c @chucksandy 2/2 not working on ‘skills’ – these don’t transfer unless vocab knowledge is high #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:20:18 @GlenysHanson  @Ashowski @chucksandy it helps giving confidence to the quiet students the 30% of our students #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:20:37 But that is practice after the effect @Ashowski  #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:20:39 @harrisonmike @Ashowski @Marisa_C @chucksandy Some contexts (maybe not yours) = cop out. Ss can study in L1. Transferable skill. #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:20:41 @Ashowski @chucksandy @Marisa_C @russell1955 if teacher does input then in class, #flippedclassroom does not work #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:20:42 The trouble with all the stuff mentioned (exercises, vocab prep) this sounds very much like one or more of the functions of HW  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:20:54 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @chucksandy How? Scanning and skimming is the same in all languages surely #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:20:59 a T can read abt teaching bt has 2 do it in order 2 get better.Same true abt SS and skills work - they have 2 happen in class first #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:21:08 @GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas Yes, Glenys. I couldn't agree more. Another + with flipped model is s's can catch up on missed work #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:21:09 RT @Teachersilvert: @GlenysHanson  @Ashowski @chucksandy it helps giving confidence to the quiet students the 30% of our students #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:21:19 Let's assume ideal we've Ss who do do HW & come filled w/ input that's been input. Then flipped ELT works? #eltchat  https://t.co/3AiqjqqvcD
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:21:22 @ashowski @marisa_c @chucksandy IMO that assumes we’re all teaching motivated, (tech) savvy Ss with fully developed coping skills #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:21:24 @Ashowski and you think that all ppl effective readers EVEN in their L1?  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:21:30 @Ashowski It requires equal abilities between the two lang @Marisa_C @chucksandy #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:21:31 @harrisonmike @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @chucksandy I don't think that's true. Is there any evidence of that? #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:21:44 @theteacherjames @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @chucksandy I agree! #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:21:46 @harrisonmike @ashowski @marisa_c @chucksandy why not start small? #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:22:03 RT @Marisa_C: The assumption that what Ss can do in their L1 they can do equally well in their L2 does not have very much of a basis #ELTch…
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:22:13 @angelos_bollas Skills work has to happen, but not necessarily in class! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:22:31 @Ashowski I;m sorry but you are asking for evidence when you are not providing ANY for the lack of need for skills training  #ELTchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:22:36 @miglmarl IMO if Ss don’t have developed coping skills (e.g. dictionary skills), it will be more diff to digest input w/o T’s help #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:22:46 @getgreatenglish @harrisonmike @Marisa_C @chucksandy study in L1 can be helpful can't it? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:22:46 @harrisonmike I agree. And I still meet students with no access to technology #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:23:01 @Ashowski @theteacherjames @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @chucksandy absolutely me too *shuffles off to nuke rec skills input session* #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:23:02 @Ashowski you talking for all levels? Is it possible to get a text in a lang you don't master and still manage it? #eltchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:23:10 @Ashowski @chucksandy It's very difficult to get students to work at home where I teach. #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:23:38 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @chucksandy Then you're saying an elem student can't scan for vocal they know in authentic text in TL #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:23:39 @angelos_bollas @Ashowski with teacher's tutorial videos sometimes in a #flipped model #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:24:03 I work on what students output - follow up is at home, on line etc. I mainly didn't try to present them with "content". #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:24:12 I think most ppl here are talking in absolutes - and there are no absolutes in teaching language - with some class FL will work  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:24:14 @Ashowski Not if you don't teach them what scanning is all about #ELTchat and how it's done @Marisa_C @chucksandy
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:24:25 @theteacherjames @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C The more I read Paul Nation & others the more I agree with you. Vocab! #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:24:38 @Marisa_C Probably not. But they can still practice this at home. #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:24:42 @TesalKoksi I think the same. Students, especially High school and middle school, won't do study at home. University, maybe. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:24:46 with other Ss it won't work - age, learning background etc - lack of prep to flip etc #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:25:01 @Marisa_C Very true.  Also, level of texts needs to be graded lower for independent work/free reading, etc, #ELTchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:25:10 any proper digesting and applying input is done in class WITH the help of the T @harrisonmike #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:25:12 @harrisonmike @Marisa_C @chucksandy They don't need technology to read a text at home, which is still Flipped Learning #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:25:16 @Teachersilvert @Ashowski sometimes --> key word here - I agree! #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:25:17 @AlienReflection @TesalKoksi they do if what they do at home is useful in class and gives them some grip and some expertise #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:25:20 #ELTchat my chat hashtag skills are weak, keep forgetting...its been too long! (Glad I couldn't sleep!) #445am
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:25:24 @chucksandy Depends on what the input is. Doesn't have to be heavy on the grammar, could just be some basic comprehension task. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:25:36 Sorry I am late conferencing organising got in the way #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:25:43 @TesalKoksi @Ashowski @chucksandy If the object is to read texts, that implies certain things. Getting students to speak, others. #ELTchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:25:53 @AlienReflection @TesalKoksi Yes, depends on Ss' motivation #ELTchat
IHLondon 2016-01-06T12:25:59 RT @ELTchat: Flipped Learning: what it is, how it works, and why it might be effective the ELT classroom. Join #ELTchat in 45 minutes!!!
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:26:02 RT @Ashowski: @angelos_bollas Skills work has to happen, but not necessarily in class! #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:26:08 @ashowski @angelos_bollas @marisa_c @chucksandy I think Schellekens mentions it in this BC video https://t.co/oi4gYoGl1r #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:26:11 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @chucksandy but they naturally do it in their L1 when they went to school #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:26:32 @Ashowski I didn't do it in my school #ELTchat @Marisa_C @chucksandy
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:26:46 @ashowski @marisa_c @chucksandy of course, that’s why I put the word ‘tech’ in brackets #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:26:46 Students' needs have to be a priority, over anything else IMO #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:26:48 @angelos_bollas Depends on the task you are given, doesn't it :) #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:26:49 @AlienReflection @TesalKoksi There are quite a few T and secondary schools in Germany and Austria where #flippedclassroom works #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:27:04 @angelos_bollas @Ashowski @Marisa_C Is scanning really a thing? & does it need to be taught to anyone who's literate in something? #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:27:23 @Marisa_C Speaking from experience there, having tried it out? ;) #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:27:27 @Ashowski @angelos_bollas Agree, Anthony, tho' we should not expect s's to approach it 'cold. Some guidance needs 2 be given #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:27:34 RT @miglmarl: @AlienReflection @TesalKoksi There are quite a few T and secondary schools in Germany and Austria where #flippedclassroom wor…
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:27:40 @tesolmatthew Use https://t.co/XtzgUG5E6d it puts i n the hash tags for you. #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:27:50 @Shaunwilden welcome :) #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:27:56 RT @Marisa_C: I think most ppl here are talking in absolutes - and there are no absolutes in teaching language - with some class FL will wo…
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:27:59 @chucksandy It helps me read texts in Italian tbh. It's a means, not the end though #ELTchat @Ashowski @Marisa_C
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:28:23 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @chucksandy Yes u did, when you were researching for essays and answers to questions. U just didn't know. #eltchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:28:25 @juliacphang @AlienReflection My thought exactly. Where I teach, students could care less about English classes. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:28:39 Flipped learning is defined as ' delivering instructional content, often online, outside of the classroom'   #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:28:50 @Ashowski But I didn't - You assume its edu system is the same #ELTchat @Marisa_C @chucksandy
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:28:55 RT @Marisa_C: Flipped learning is defined as ' delivering instructional content, often online, outside of the classroom'   #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:29:08 @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C No, it doesn't. People know how to do it subconsciously, even @angelos_bollas :-) #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:29:33 #eltchat Fostering reading/listening for pleasure in L2 would be a far better use of time than grammar drills/coursebook pages in flipping.
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:29:33 RT @SueAnnan Students' needs have to be a priority, over anything else IMO #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:29:57 @angelos_bollas @marisa_c @chucksandy I can’t believe the Greek education didn’t get you to read a text and answer questions #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:29:59 @angelos_bollas @Ashowski @Marisa_C  Right. I scanned train scheduled in Japanese today but does scanning needs teaching? #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:30:14 #flipping is about teaching what matters. The more they read, watch and speak even at home the better they get #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:30:22 @GlenysHanson thanks! I was sure there was a hack for that! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:30:30 @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @chucksandy  no it didn't - my study skills sucked and i had a really hard time at uni  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:30:39 @angelos_bollas @chucksandy @marisa_c But do you need an Italian teacher to teach you how to scan in Italian? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:30:39 It seems the 2016 version of #ELTchat is more of a debate.. #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:30:40 Yeah this style definitely doesn't work for elementary age students, middle school as well as not all have internet... #ELTchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:30:44 @Marisa_C "Instructional content" - that's pretty vague, isn't it? Means you can flip in different ways, I think. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:31:00 @Ashowski As a matter of fact, I paid one to do so! #ELTchat @chucksandy @marisa_c
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:31:04 does anyone of you have experience in (partly) flipping their English class? #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:31:17 @AlienReflection it really does in France actuallu especially in the countryside and remote areas :) #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:31:17 RT @Teachersilvert: #flipping is about teaching what matters. The more they read, watch and speak even at home the better they get #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:31:21 @marisa_c @angelos_bollas @chucksandy Really? Fair enough. #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:31:28 And definitely not students who are learning English in a lower level. Which is what I teach. Guess that answers my questions.  #ELTchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:31:31 #eltchat Ls can’t effectively use L1 reading skills in L2 until proficiency is high enough (slide 11 onwards): https://t.co/1j8uj72gy5
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:31:36 @angelos_bollas @chucksandy @marisa_c Because? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:31:38 @angelos_bollas It happens when people are convinced their views are the only right ones :-D  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:31:44 @theteacherjames  Pete Sharma didn't have just one definition of flipping when I did his course on iTDi #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:31:45 @chucksandy But, Chuck, you're someone who knows what scanning is and hot to do it. Do all SS know? #eltchat @Ashowski @Marisa_C
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:32:06 @angelos_bollas @chucksandy @marisa_c Do they need to know it as long as they just do it? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:32:19 @AlienReflection guess you are answering your own questions dear Alien :-) but yes, i m following what you re saying  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:32:23 @angelos_bollas @chucksandy @marisa_c I don’t need to be able to explain the intricacies of Polish grammar as long as I can use it #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:32:46 @Teachersilvert How would it work in rural places with no internet for students, if they have to do online reading outside class? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:33:11 @Ashowski that sounds like some of the backpackers I've come across who think they know enough to teach #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:33:14 Diff learners, diff learning backgrounds, diff needs - we're not all the same! #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:33:19 RT @angelos_bollas: It seems the 2016 version of #ELTchat is more of a debate.. #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:33:20 @AlienReflection given access to content online doesn't mean it has to be done overnight. Access= more chances to succeed #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:33:22 @SueAnnan Seems to me kind of content they use at home can be very varied. Doesn't have to be a particular language point. #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:33:26 @angelos_bollas It’s great :D #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:33:26 @angelos_bollas @Ashowski @Marisa_C Yeah but scanned as a reader before learning a name for what i was doing in grad school ;-) #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:33:50 @sueannan I mean, if you know the language, then you know. Teaching is something else. #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:33:50 @AlienReflection @Teachersilvert My solution to this would be to give s's a printed version of any tasks set #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:34:03 RT @chucksandy: @angelos_bollas @Ashowski @Marisa_C Yeah but scanned as a reader before learning a name for what i was doing in grad school…
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:34:15 RT @theteacherjames: @SueAnnan Seems to me kind of content they use at home can be very varied. Doesn't have to be a particular language po…
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:34:16 @esolcourses @AlienReflection ot to give enough time in class to catch up #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:34:18 Ah, so a teacher has to have access to technology and time for students to actually do the reading.  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:34:19 @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c Knowing the name makes no difference surely #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:34:21 RT @SueAnnan @Ashowski that sounds like some of the backpackers I've come across who think they know enough to teach > well said #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:34:32 @miglmarl I set txt sourcing for supp materials to my reading class. Every1 reads all texts. Some1 forgets, no1 dies. Low stakes. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:34:46 @Ashowski @chucksandy @angelos_bollas no question about that  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:34:53 @AlienReflection @Teachersilvert Does no internet also presume no phone network? #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:34:55 @AlienReflection With lower level students, I helped them to express themselves, not to take in "content". All in class. #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:35:05 RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski @chucksandy @angelos_bollas no question about that  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:35:12 @chucksandy Contextual and cotextual References need lang awareness and training, though - each L different @Ashowski #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:35:14 @AlienReflection if one read the content in one group of say 4 he becomes the mastermind and can be helpful and explain #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:35:20 @AlienReflection With difficulty, although in principle doesn't have to be online to work. Reading & language work can be on paper #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:35:33 @getgreatenglish @miglmarl Do they then report back on what they read? #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:36:21 @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C. Backed to flipped classrooms. Isn't that just a buzz word? Haven't Ss always done hw at home? #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:36:29 @AlienReflection then the teacher has more time for even more struggling sts #eltchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:36:35 @getgreatenglish Popular literature helps, I find. #eltchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:36:43 RT @getgreatenglish: #eltchat Fostering reading/listening for pleasure in L2 would be a far better use of time than grammar drills/coursebo…
happytojoinyou 2016-01-06T12:36:49 @Ashowski Yes, they certainly do. That's how things are done in my univ #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:36:55 @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c Flipped Learning doesn’t change anything really. 1/2 #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:37:03 I see. I have a feeling that this sort of style would not work in Korea at all (Students attend schools until 9pm, many diff school #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:37:08 Flipped teaching (in other disciplines) means teaching CONTENT - what would you consider content in flipped ELT models mentioned?  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:37:13 @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c The learning process still starts with Lesson Input - except it’s at home #eltchat 2/2
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:37:23 @chucksandy @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C well, yes but that's not #flippedclassroom #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:37:24 RT @Marisa_C: Flipped teaching (in other disciplines) means teaching CONTENT - what would you consider content in flipped ELT models mentio…
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:37:42 I think the idea of content without instructional help first could miss the mark. As H/W it's not such a stretch #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:37:54 @Marisa_C This is a really good ? #ELTchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:37:57 @angelos_bollas Wasn't it always a debate? I've been away for awhile. This is fun #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:37:59 @Ashowski @miglmarl They source txt a then in class read each others'. Swapping. Talking. Ranking. Contrasting. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:38:09 In other words "What do you consider as INPUT' in flipping ELT lessons?  #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:38:25 @SueAnnan #ELTchat and needs of Ss & groups are so variable - so discussing efficacy of 'flipping' as if inherent to it won't help, no?
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:38:29 @getgreatenglish @miglmarl I like it. Sounds like a bit like TBL #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:38:56 @AlienReflection But don't they do homework? This is a replacement for that, in my view. More efficient. #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:39:00 @Marisa_C Now that is a good question! I think we need more content teaching in #ELT #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:39:02 @Shaunwilden not sure what u are asking - I was asking a question #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:39:08 @Marisa_C Should be teaching lang and skills - It seems ppl are talking assigning time-consuming tasks at home instead of class tho #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:39:10 @tesolmatthew Yes. The variability of students needs has to be addressed #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:39:29 @chucksandy @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C My adult students hardly ever did any homework. Had to do  everything in class. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:39:46 @GlenysHanson Mine too! :( #ELTchat @chucksandy @Ashowski @Marisa_C
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:39:54 @angelos_bollas @marisa_c Consuming tasks at home which can be done at home to free up more class time #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:39:54 @theteacherjames No, they don't. There is no time in a student's day. Everything has to be done in class (Elem-High school) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:39:56 @Marisa_C Yes i was saying it was good question, the idea of what the content is that we need to flip #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:40:03 and mine :-( #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:40:24 @BrunoELT @sloumarsh let me add "don't get involved with #ELTchat" to that list ;P #445am
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:40:24 @glenyshanson @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c They do it when they realise it’s useful ;) esp in FL #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:40:24 RT @Marisa_C: Flipped teaching (in other disciplines) means teaching CONTENT - what would you consider content in flipped ELT models mentio…
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:41:04 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C exactly! #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:41:05 @marisa_c anything that provides input of vocab, grammar, knowledge of other language features (e.g. genre, BrE vs AmE) so… 1/2 #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:41:06 @Ashowski @miglmarl It's the gallery reading activity off my blog. #eltchat https://t.co/vkQXmIO9M9
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:41:08 @Shaunwilden well, most of the stuff mentioned so far sounds like homework to me #eltchat and prepping vocab on one's own is ALSO homework
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:41:24 RT @getgreatenglish: @Ashowski @miglmarl It's the gallery reading activity off my blog. #eltchat https://t.co/vkQXmIO9M9
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:41:25 @Marisa_C pre-teaching vocabulary is the most obvious one that springs to mind - s's come to class prepped to discuss topic  #ELTchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:41:27 @AlienReflection I used to teach in Korea, so I know what you're talking about. Crazy hours! #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:41:52 #ELTchat are we 'flipping' teacher development right here & now?
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:42:13 @marisa_c 2/2 any sort of written or spoken texts, live or recorded, online or offline + guiding questions or tasks #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:42:13 @harrisonmike thanks Mike - which takes me to the difficulty of inputting content in this way without going back to lecturing  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:42:22 @tesolmatthew We don't do it on our own, though.. We interact.. Just like in a classroom! #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:42:47 @Marisa_C Flipped approach can also be used for first reading/first listening of a text you plan to focus on in the next lesson #ELTChat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:42:59 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I think the flipped part is this vocab stuff leads to coming lesson, not after just done lesson #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:43:11 @marisa_c I think in essence flipping in ELT for me boils down to extensive reading and listening #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:43:20 @angelos_bollas  Unless we prepared, or are then going to do more individual research on the topic :-) #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:43:26 @tesolmatthew That's the thing. It's supposedly instructional. Lecture on video but in ELT lecturing is a dark art. #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:43:31 @Ashowski @chucksandy @angelos_bollas @marisa_c They'd agree it was useful but not do it - children, job, travelling. Busy people. #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:43:39 @Marisa_C @harrisonmike Is lecturing necessarily bad? There is some research to show it is useful/effective to a degree #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:43:39 content in ELT is LANGUAGE that's what we teach - skills training is one of the incidentals we need in order to acquire more lang  #ELTchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:43:45 @Marisa_C @harrisonmike what is so bad about 'lecturing', explaining grammar rules, pronunciation, spelling, etc? #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:43:51 @miglmarl @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C I know. Freeing content courses up for exploratory work makes good sense. But ELT? #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:43:51 @Marisa_C @harrisonmike but at least at home I can put my teacher on PAUSE and rewind #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:43:52 @tesolmatthew I think we might be :D #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:44:00 RT @Marisa_C: content in ELT is LANGUAGE that's what we teach - skills training is one of the incidentals we need in order to acquire more …
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:44:11 @miglmarl @harrisonmike not bad just doesn't work all that well  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:44:13 RT @harrisonmike: @marisa_c I think in essence flipping in ELT for me boils down to extensive reading and listening #eltchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:44:18 @getgreatenglish They read Wiki and turn it into assignments, in my class. But I doubt they understand bcos they copy "[edit]" :-D #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:44:23 RT @Marisa_C: content in ELT is LANGUAGE that's what we teach - skills training is one of the incidentals we need in order to acquire more …
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:44:40 RT @chucksandy  I know. Freeing content courses up for exploratory work makes good sense. But ELT? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:44:42 @Marisa_C Yes i agree, I think content could be the presentation part  of a systems focus #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:44:49 @ashowski @marisa_c do you mean teaching items of language as ‘content’, e.g. grammar, vocab. OR teaching content through lang? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:45:16 @esolcourses That's my preferred use of flipping, with some extra language work if necessary. #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:45:17 @TesalKoksi That's pre-warned and gets a zero for participation for that lesson and that piece of homework. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:45:21 @harrisonmike first - items of language = content  #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:45:29 @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C Daisy Christodoulou work suggests lecturing isn't that bad at all #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:45:33 RT @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Yes i agree, I think content could be the presentation part  of a systems focus #ELTchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:45:36 @teachersilvert @marisa_c can’t ask them to rephrase though, and they can’t see when you’re struggling either #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:45:39 @chucksandy @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C that's the question. maybe only parts could be flipped? Grammar explanations? #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:45:46 @harrisonmike @Marisa_C content through language #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:46:09 RT @theteacherjames: @esolcourses That's my preferred use of flipping, with some extra language work if necessary. #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:46:10 @Marisa_C When's the last time anyone gave a lecture in an ELT course? Mini-lectures to deliver content for language work yes but #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:46:13 @Marisa_C @harrisonmike I have a different experience #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:46:16 Not easy to do DEmand High stuff if students working at home #ELTchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:46:26 @ashowski @marisa_c so in a CLIL context then? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:46:33 @Ashowski @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C but she wasnt really talking about language education was she #eltchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:46:35 @getgreatenglish Yup! Straight F for that paper. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:46:41 @Ashowski @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew oh well why didn't you say so in the first place!!!!  #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:46:49 #ELTchat @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden eg 'watch this TED talk' w/ gist Qs..then class straight to detail & Lang focus? flip text based lessons?
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:46:59 @harrisonmike @Marisa_C More like CLIL but not 100% CLIL #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:47:01 @miglmarl @marisa_c all depends on the lecturer IMO #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:47:14 @theteacherjames for higher levels, mine too. With lower levels, vocabulary prep beforehand can save a lot of time in class IME  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:47:18 @SueAnnan But that could be done in the follow up lesson #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:47:22 RT @tesolmatthew: #ELTchat @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden eg 'watch this TED talk' w/ gist Qs..then class straight to detail & Lang focus? flip tex…
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:47:26 @theteacherjames @esolcourses language can only be taught with content (topics) no? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:47:40 @miglmarl @harrisonmike me too - hundreds of adults who spent years and loads of money learning rules w/o ability to talk  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:47:45 @Shaunwilden true #ELTchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:47:48 @Marisa_C @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew :-D #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:48:02 @Ashowski @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C For CLIL, Ok. 'This is the present perfect…' is dire. Get them using language, not metalanguage. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:48:16 @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C And with ted you could make the lesson flipped anyway using ted-ed #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:48:26 @Shaunwilden @getgreatenglish @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C Talking about education in general - language education is still education #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:48:39 @esolcourses Agreed. Anything to save that time! #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:48:40 @miglmarl @theteacherjames @esolcourses I almost never used any "content" except for exam prep which I hated. #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:48:47 @miglmarl @theteacherjames Yes, I'd say so. Certainly that is how I do it, anyway #eltchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:48:53 @Ashowski @Marisa_C But what if the medium itself is English and the students' proficiency is no where near the mark? #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:48:53 @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden sounds like a good idea #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:49:07 @tesalkoksi @marisa_c Then they are in the wrong level ;) #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:49:12 @Shaunwilden There's a new coursebook based on Ted Talks. Can't remember its name- looked interesting  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:49:24 @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Keynote? #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:49:46 #eltchat, what I really don’t like is how flipped learning always seems to be presented as some kind of magic bullet
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:49:48 @Ashowski I have it read it! I think our brand of education differed from the one she talks not that the points can’t be applied #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:49:52 @angelos_bollas  Well remembered #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:49:54 @Marisa_C @Ashowski @getgreatenglish he didn't want to lecture ya #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:50:10 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan i think so #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:50:11 definitely but students appreciate having access to explanations any time they need it @harrisonmike  #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:50:18 @Ashowski @Shaunwilden @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C yes but we do procedural knowledge & application, not declarative knowledge only. #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:50:24 @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden It's from National Geographic #eltchat
juliacphang 2016-01-06T12:50:34 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Ooh, I'd be very interested in this! #ELTchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:50:35 @harrisonmike because it can kill you  :) heaps of work #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:50:37 @harrisonmike That's true with every 'new' name, no? Communicative, CLIL, authentic, autonomous, flipped, experiential, etc. #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:50:38 RT @Shaunwilden: @Ashowski I have it read it! I think our brand of education differed from the one she talks not that the points can’t be a…
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:50:42 @tesolmatthew @Ashowski @getgreatenglish lol am gobsmacked - Daisy`!~!!~! OK then I bow my head #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:50:46 @miglmarl @esolcourses Yes I'd normally favour flipping as a good way to introduce content; lesson for vocab, discussion & practice #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:50:57 @Shaunwilden Her book just arrived at my home the other day. Can't wait to stat reading it. #eltchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:51:07 @Marisa_C @harrisonmike use classtime for talking (=skill) instead of learning about rules #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:51:08 RT @getgreatenglish: @Ashowski @Shaunwilden @tesolmatthew @Marisa_C yes but we do procedural knowledge & application, not declarative knowl…
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:51:18 @harrisonmike with the flipped learning system you can help those who wouldn't dare ask for help in class #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:51:22 @harrisonmike It's definitely not magic. I'd even say it's nothing particularly new in #ELT #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:51:39 @angelos_bollas @harrisonmike @angelos_bollas @harrisonmike Agree no magic bullets in my classroom. Just hard graft. #ELTchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:51:43 @Ashowski @Marisa_C Even if all the subjects r taught in English? Would their language level still matter? How could we solve this? #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:51:53 @tesolmatthew @marisa_c @shaunwilden if Ss can navigate TED website interface and use other tools (e.g. dictionary) 4 support #eltchat
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:52:06 @Marisa_C @tesolmatthew @getgreatenglish What? Why? You not like her? #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:52:12 @GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas @harrisonmike @angelos_bollas @harrisonmike at least we keep trying :) #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:52:19 @harrisonmike That's what I meant when I asked if flipped learning is just another pretty buzz word. Like 21st century teacher #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:52:26 My personal view is stop using the FL term -go back to good old HO or if u want to tart it up the Ss, call them challenges or sth #ELTchat
michaelegriffin 2016-01-06T12:52:38 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, what I really don’t like is how flipped learning always seems to be presented as some kind of magic bullet
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:52:43 @miglmarl @theteacherjames e.g., I might set this vocab as prep. for a discussion on  applying for jobs https://t.co/Qa0SpZXfam #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:52:52 @Ashowski @SueAnnan I was just putting the leaflet for it in conference bags #eltchat https://t.co/k5Hd5gAv4x
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:52:53 With less than 10 minutes to go- Can I ask someone to write the summary of this, please? #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:53:21 @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden sounds promising...oh, please oh please lord send us some refreshing dynamic course books #amen #ELTchat #fatchance?
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:53:26 RT @SueAnnan: With less than 10 minutes to go- Can I ask someone to write the summary of this, please? #ELTchat
ELTchat 2016-01-06T12:53:26 RT @SueAnnan: With less than 10 minutes to go- Can I ask someone to write the summary of this, please? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:53:32 RT @chucksandy That's what I meant when I asked if flipped learning  just another pretty buzz word.  >YES! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:53:38 @Shaunwilden  I skimmed it at Tesol FRance  #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:53:39 RT @chucksandy: @harrisonmike That's what I meant when I asked if flipped learning is just another pretty buzz word. Like 21st century teac…
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:53:54 @miglmarl provided they all been written and/or recorded for flipping beforehand… #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T12:54:00 @harrisonmike Agreed, I don't like any kind of magic bullet. We don't know enough about SLA & we're too context dependent for that! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:54:08 RT @SueAnnan: With less than 10 minutes to go- Can I ask someone to write the summary of this, please? #ELTchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:54:27 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, what I really don’t like is how flipped learning always seems to be presented as some kind of magic bullet
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:54:37 @chucksandy @harrisonmike Don't get me started on 21st Century Skills. Such as? Time travel? #eltchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:54:40 I agree, I think FL is just a buzzword at this point, this conversation convinced me of that. It's just a slightly different way #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:54:41 RT @theteacherjames ....t. We don't know enough about SLA & we're too context dependent for that! > so true! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:54:43 @tesolmatthew  Check out iTDi. Penny Ur will be running a course on how to maximise material, starting Sunday #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:54:53 @getgreatenglish @chucksandy @harrisonmike te he he  #ELTchat
AlienReflection 2016-01-06T12:54:56 but requires a lot from students that you can't assume they have access to unless they are university level.  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:54:58 RT @SueAnnan: @tesolmatthew  Check out iTDi. Penny Ur will be running a course on how to maximise material, starting Sunday #ELTchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:55:05 @theteacherjames definitely. Any content, intro to new lang point outside so that practice inside where T can individually help #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:55:07 @teachersilvert which you could also do by simply giving them a channel 2 communicate their worries outside class (e.g. work email) #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:55:33 @theteacherjames @harrisonmike agreed. It can be done well, or done badly, as with just about everything else #eltchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:55:47 @harrisonmike @teachersilvert tried already, too much work I chose a learning platform Ss less worried more engaged #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:55:47 ATTENTION #ELTchat - Summary Writer needed! Don't be shy.....
EplanetEdu 2016-01-06T12:55:56 RT @harrisonmike: @teachersilvert which you could also do by simply giving them a channel 2 communicate their worries outside class (e.g. w…
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:55:57 RT @SueAnnan: @tesolmatthew  Check out iTDi. Penny Ur will be running a course on how to maximise material, starting Sunday #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:56:00 May I ask if there is a brave hero or heroine who might want to do the summary of theis heated #ELTchat?  #ELTchat
MaWSIG 2016-01-06T12:56:10 RT @racheldaw18: The @MaWSIG conference line-up looks great! Some great topics for the new year! https://t.co/fVICvCQkjR #elt #iatefl #eltc…
Ashowski 2016-01-06T12:56:24 I have to go now. Thank you for an amazing #eltchat everyone. Esp @Marisa_C & @angelos_bollas for challenging points/questions :-) #elt
ELTchat 2016-01-06T12:56:31 RT @Marisa_C: May I ask if there is a brave hero or heroine who might want to do the summary of theis heated #ELTchat?  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:56:34 My hair is still standing on end! :-D I love it - good debate  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:56:36 RT @angelos_bollas: ATTENTION #ELTchat - Summary Writer needed! Don't be shy.....
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:56:41 @teachersilvert how long did it take you to prepare all the flipped content? #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T12:56:54 @Marisa_C Not going to even mention "demand high" but ELT does like & hate pretty buzz words. What wld be talk abt w/out them? :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:56:57 @Ashowski @angelos_bollas Cheers happy to lock horns with ya any time!!! :_D  #ELTchat
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T12:57:04 @harrisonmike @teachersilvert for one term, 2 to 3 months work every day #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:57:17 @chucksandy don't start me on that one pls Chuck  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:57:18 A great start to the #ELTChat year. Don't forget that next week will be at the later time of 9 pm GMT #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:57:19 #eltchat @TesalKoksi for what you're talking about there has to be a lot of remedial work if learners studying syllabus pitched too high.
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:57:21 @getgreatenglish @chucksandy @harrisonmike hoverboard skills, etc. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T12:57:43 RT @Marisa_C: May I ask if there is a brave hero or heroine who might want to do the summary of theis heated #ELTchat?  #ELTchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:57:45 @esolcourses @theteacherjames I suppose if you did a screencast of it, you would also give input on pronunciation, etc. :-) #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T12:57:47 RT @SueAnnan: A great start to the #ELTChat year. Don't forget that next week will be at the later time of 9 pm GMT #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:57:54 RT @angelos_bollas ATTENTION #ELTchat - Summary Writer needed! Don't be shy..... #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T12:58:01 So we can show Geoff Jordan that we're not always so "nice." I like a good ding dong. #ELTchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:58:24 #eltchat, this is what no one wants to tell you:flipped learning = homeworksimples
Shaunwilden 2016-01-06T12:58:25 good to be back to #ELTchat see you next Wednesday evening
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:58:27 @theteacherjames @harrisonmike yes to 'context dependent'! I wanna tattoo of that! #ELTchat #wifewouldkillme
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:58:36 @miglmarl @esolcourses @theteacherjames  screencasts were not mentioned - we got caught up in the whys and wherefores :-)  #ELTchat
miglmarl 2016-01-06T12:58:41 @harrisonmike of course. no prob - screencast of 5 min. is fun for T and S :-) #eltchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T12:59:02 RT @SueAnnan: @tesolmatthew  Check out iTDi. Penny Ur will be running a course on how to maximise material, starting Sunday #ELTchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T12:59:18 @getgreatenglish I agree. But at the end of the day, it always comes back to the permission of the institution. #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T12:59:22 haven’t we been flipping stuff (‘Go and read this article’ ‘Watch the news and write down vocab’) for ages already?#eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T12:59:24 RT @SueAnnan A great start to the #ELTChat year. Don't forget that next week will be at the later time of 9 pm GMT #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:59:24 @tesolmatthew @theteacherjames @harrisonmike i do tattoos as well with whiteboard markers  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T12:59:50 @harrisonmike go on please Mike yes!  #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T12:59:58 #eltchat @TesalKoksi then it's main content vocab and typical target structures (with L1 translation?) > gap fills > ind production.
juliacphang 2016-01-06T13:00:03 Lots to take in from a great first #ELTchat of 2016! See you all again soon I hope!
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T13:00:07 Summary writer!!!!!!!!!!!! Where art thou?  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2016-01-06T13:00:25 I will be asking for a summary writer everyday until next week unless someone decides to do it! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T13:00:30 oh well they all gone  #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T13:00:39 Thanks everyone and bye! #ELTchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T13:00:48 @harrisonmike you read my mind :-D #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T13:00:48 @TesalKoksi Hence homework's importance.#ELTchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T13:00:48 Might have time this week :-) #ELTchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T13:00:54 Hope you don't mind a plug but Penny Ur starts Sunday & there are scholarships too. https://t.co/vypl4y6g1Q #eltchat https://t.co/GnbItCdyJC
Teachersilvert 2016-01-06T13:01:03 bye for now thanks #eltchat
esolcourses 2016-01-06T13:01:07 @Marisa_C @miglmarl @theteacherjames Manyana :-) In the meantime, @russell1955 has some useful tips on this https://t.co/wYg81zT8qo #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T13:01:13 RT @chucksandy: Hope you don't mind a plug but Penny Ur starts Sunday & there are scholarships too. https://t.co/vypl4y6g1Q #eltchat https:…
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T13:01:22 @harrisonmike Hmm, I see where you're coming from but maybe I'd call it 'special homework' :-D #eltchat
harrisonmike 2016-01-06T13:01:24 @teachersilvert 2-3 months working everyday to produce content for one term?!?!? That seems like a LOT #eltchat
SueAnnan 2016-01-06T13:01:45 Bye peeps #ELTchat
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T13:02:00 @getgreatenglish I guess we're back to square one ha ha. Thanks 4 the comments, Marc! #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T13:02:03 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, this is what no one wants to tell you:flipped learning = homeworksimples
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T13:02:17 @GlenysHanson :D & let me just leave w/ flourish remind u all that ur hopeless & misguided drivel can hardly be read w/out fainting #ELTchat
michaelegriffin 2016-01-06T13:02:22 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, this is what no one wants to tell you:flipped learning = homeworksimples
michaelegriffin 2016-01-06T13:02:37 RT @harrisonmike: haven’t we been flipping stuff (‘Go and read this article’ ‘Watch the news and write down vocab’) for ages already?#elt…
TesalKoksi 2016-01-06T13:02:39 RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat, this is what no one wants to tell you:flipped learning = homeworksimples
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T13:02:48 RT @Marisa_C: @tesolmatthew @theteacherjames @harrisonmike i do tattoos as well with whiteboard markers  #ELTchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T13:02:51 RT @chucksandy: Hope you don't mind a plug but Penny Ur starts Sunday & there are scholarships too. https://t.co/TA36hwjeAJ #eltchat
khourbran 2016-01-06T13:03:03 I guess we're back to square one ha ha. Thanks 4 the comments, Marc! #ELTchat https://t.co/CXOjC2wLQJ https://t.co/yF6E8Ku9Kn
miglmarl 2016-01-06T13:03:05 @Marisa_C @esolcourses @theteacherjames if discussing the why's and wherefore's then the how should be discussed, too? no? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2016-01-06T13:03:13 Thanks for an excellent start to 2016 on #eltchat everyone!
getgreatenglish 2016-01-06T13:03:20 RT @harrisonmike: @teachersilvert 2-3 months working everyday to produce content for one term?!?!? That seems like a LOT #eltchat
chucksandy 2016-01-06T13:03:24 Thanks! @SueAnnan @tesolmatthew And Penny Ur has some things to say about flipped learning ;-) https://t.co/vypl4y6g1Q #eltchat
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T13:04:29 @miglmarl for sure - have a look though at the two summaries of #ELTchats on same topic https://t.co/HyZtsno1VS #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2016-01-06T13:04:32 RT @tesolmatthew: @GlenysHanson :D & let me just leave w/ flourish remind u all that ur hopeless & misguided drivel can hardly be read w/ou…
Marisa_C 2016-01-06T13:05:06 @miglmarl the other one https://t.co/UqYdg2GqNj #ELTchat
tesolmatthew 2016-01-06T13:05:19 @GlenysHanson #ELTchat right that should seal the deal *fights urge to include jk, etc. & offer gratitude n praise for bodhisattvic PLN*

 

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