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Using Authentic materials for Low level ESP

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ELTchat 2015-12-02T11:59:25 How do you use authentic materials in a low-level ESP classroom? Join us #ELT people #teachers #EFL #ELTchat #ESP #EAP
Shaunwilden 2015-12-02T11:59:34 RT @ELTchat: How do you use authentic materials in a low-level ESP classroom? Join us #ELT people #teachers #EFL #ELTchat #ESP #EAP
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:00:39 Greetings from still sunny Athens  - Who's around for #ELTchat ?
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:04:08 Hi everybody. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:04:30 Hello @GlenysHanson  - how are you? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:05:30 Hello #ELTchat ppl - welcome and sorry am late was doing exams
Shaunwilden 2015-12-02T12:06:00 @Marisa_C Did you pass?  #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:06:10 @Marisa_C How did it go? #ELTchat :-P
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:06:20 @angelos_bollas Fine & hope you have lots to say on this subject - I don't!  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:06:29 No I'm afraid I failed yet again :-) #eltchat https://t.co/vVYlL4pbuv
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:06:45 @tom_flaherty we're discussing your topic today - Join us #ELTchat
bhrbahar 2015-12-02T12:07:02 @ELTchat actually its a bit difficult to use thm while teaching low leve cause you need to spend time to analyse if its appropriate #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:07:06 @angelos_bollas Was a bit stressful with inspection but we had a very good report #eltchat
ambartosik 2015-12-02T12:07:41 RT @ram_diane: Tutela webinar "Collaborating in the Creating of Rubrics V" Thursday, Dec 3rd 8:30 Eastern #CDNESL #LINCCHAT #CDNESL #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:08:02 I think the first thing that you need to do is find them and save/curate them for future use - lots can be used out there #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:08:15 Hi @bhrbahar  - what do you mean analyse? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2015-12-02T12:08:24 @Marisa_C No surprises there then, I told you to study!  #ELTchat
bhrbahar 2015-12-02T12:08:26 #ELTchat * to analyse whether its appropriate or not for sts needs,level, insterest...
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:09:10 @Shaunwilden am a bit slow wot ken i sei? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:09:28 Hello @fionaljp and welcome :-) Don't forget the hashtag, please #ELTchat :) https://t.co/7GiURx4ILn
MsKuiper 2015-12-02T12:09:31 RT @ELTchat: How do you use authentic materials in a low-level ESP classroom? Join us #ELT people #teachers #EFL #ELTchat #ESP #EAP
Shaunwilden 2015-12-02T12:09:39 @Marisa_C Oh you dont have to tell me, have known you longer enough to already know that ;-)  #ELTchat
MsKuiper 2015-12-02T12:09:43 RT @ELTchat: 30 more mins left to vote - Have YOU voted for #ELTchat? https://t.co/Nj69OQffCe https://t.co/K5iBcKHo5R
ELTchat 2015-12-02T12:10:07 You can always use @Nurph for the chat https://t.co/IJomO2u6FL #ELTchat
MsKuiper 2015-12-02T12:10:11 RT @angelos_bollas: It's voting time again :-D #ELTchat people follow the link and cast your vote: https://t.co/I6svMpPInp https://t.co/h2o…
fionaljp 2015-12-02T12:10:14 @GlenysHanson @angelos_bollas  Hello #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:10:48 Good point - authentic mats related to Ss' needs (remember ESP in Q) and level - How do u do that? #eltchat https://t.co/iczxzSFpcF
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:11:34 For example - do u use a readability scale #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:11:48 Lots of tools for curation out there. Pinterest, scoop, etc. #ELTchat - even Twitter's fav and FB save functions https://t.co/bCQE3CTvMy
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:12:11 RT @Marisa_C: For example - do u use a readability scale #eltchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:12:19 Hello #eltchat! just got home from school, what's the topic?
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:12:46 @naomishema ESP and authentic materials #ELTchat - Welcome Naomi :)
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:13:03 Hello? #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:13:44 @Marisa_C I don't :( #ELTchat - What about the others? #ELTchat
anamoranis 2015-12-02T12:14:05 RT @Marisa_C: Good morning #ELTchat - it's Wednesday and vote!  1/what works 4u? 2/Auth mats for low levels 3/ Exam classes pls RT https://…
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:14:53 @angelos_bollas if stuff on the web u can always copy-paste into a word doc for readability - may be tools on the web? #eltchat
MsKuiper 2015-12-02T12:15:31 RT @Marisa_C: Hello? #ELTchat
MsKuiper 2015-12-02T12:15:50 RT @angelos_bollas: Lots of tools for curation out there. Pinterest, scoop, etc. #ELTchat - even Twitter's fav and FB save functions https:…
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:15:53 @anamoranis Hello we are talking about No 2 (was voted on the blog) #eltchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:15:56 Are there certain readablity scales people here use? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:16:34 @bhrbahar so Ts need to be on the lookout - not easy to find mats for low levels right? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:16:38 Just found this: https://t.co/tY6Re3eds6 - I think it's not free though. #ELTchat https://t.co/Mqb2UCFjsQ
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:17:41 This is free: https://t.co/rduUUnEIbA #ELTchat https://t.co/IqaMvGQFZq
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:17:43 Looks free to me #eltchat Great!  https://t.co/gEPZpHI9EM
anamoranis 2015-12-02T12:18:06 RT @leoselivan: New post on my blog: 10 things you can do with BBC's 10 things you didn't know last week https://t.co/eAxQL2Fzoo #elt #eltc…
MsKuiper 2015-12-02T12:18:19 RT @english247: Winter has begun in the UK. Check out our free winter-themed #English lessons! https://t.co/7iDudi08L2 #eltchat https://t.c…
MsKuiper 2015-12-02T12:18:58 RT @Marisa_C: Good morning #ELTchat - it's Wednesday and vote!  1/what works 4u? 2/Auth mats for low levels 3/ Exam classes pls RT https://…
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:19:09 @Marisa_C @bhrbahar I found this: https://t.co/aQXy3d2Twa looks familiar, Marisa? :P #ELTchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:19:26 @angelos_bollas Thanks! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:19:33 @naomishema Do you use any? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:20:20 Lol this is where I save stuff for lower levels - general not ESP tho - :-D #ELTchat - may be u cd do same & share https://t.co/2vAxAUt3K5
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:21:07 @angelos_bollas Nah, my deaf students don't know 90% of the vocab. in their material. everyhting would seem 2 hard 4 them #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:21:11 @Marisa_C Have never taught ESP but it would be a good school project (or an #ELTchat one)
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:21:11 wonderful tool for searching texts by readability level has disappeared - used to be called twurdy :-( #eltchat
bhrbahar 2015-12-02T12:21:32 @Marisa_C Definitely yes. Usually some tickets can be used as a material for low  levels #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:22:13 Since finding suitable mats difficult - what can we do with OTHER auth mats? Can we discuss this instead pls #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:22:25 @bhrbahar That's a good idea - never thought of using tickets. #ELTchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:22:33 #eltchat tickets are a great source!
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:23:35 tickets are good for comparatives, for numbers, dates, even 4 family members (price 4 a family) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:23:43 Some genre analysis work seems relevant to ESP (am thinking of BE and/or EAP) - to raise awareness  #ELTchat https://t.co/GnA3qGwNp2
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:25:07 hotel registration forms r also useful for weak ss to learn & discuss many things #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:25:38 Sure but genre savvy Ts few & far tween - no?  #ELTchat   https://t.co/oOfgedNNmk
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:27:02 @Marisa_C True. Yet, all Ts could surely do at least some style-related work with authentic mats. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:28:18 Would you use authentic materials as models for the ESP SS to try and produce (in writing or speaking) similar texts? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:28:29 Some good books available even on google books - seek  'genre analysis' and ye shall find! #eltchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:29:15 I don't know if having ss generate their own tickets is a useful goal, but it can lead 2 other writing #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:29:57 One good way of using authentic stuff is to use only sections/chunks, not the whole text #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:30:12 In what contexts would tickets be useful with ESP students? #eltchat  https://t.co/sU51W7zDkt
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:30:53 So, no need to find materials suitable ONLY for low levels. - This makes all materials suitable for all. #eltchat  https://t.co/69a1kCX8xJ
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:31:28 tickets r good for comparatives, for numbers, dates, even 4 family members (price 4 a family) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-12-02T12:34:04 @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas Nah I’m listening #eltchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:35:08 Is it just my connection or is twitter very slow today? #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:35:19 I used to get Ss to create the content by producing how tos: a gear box works, give an injection, serve a meal, etc. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:35:59 Did they have a model as a guide or did they have to do it from scratch? Very interesting @GlenysHanson #eltchat  https://t.co/1Hy7AyY0Hm
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:36:00 lovely idea! #eltchat https://t.co/ruquuf7Art
bhrbahar 2015-12-02T12:36:13 @angelos_bollas @naomishema  #eltchat for writing a parag. Or making a question related to the event(asking/answering)
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:36:40 I like this idea - and lots of You tube how to's w/o words too Ss can add own text #eltchat then compare w/ original https://t.co/3qexGQnSg2
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:37:04 @bhrbahar @naomishema So, it could be any context - not ESP specific #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:37:32 @Marisa_C You mean like adding subtitles to videos? #eltchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:37:35 Yes, terrific! #eltchat https://t.co/5pSdcPVRzn
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:37:53 RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C You mean like adding subtitles to videos? #eltchat
bhrbahar 2015-12-02T12:38:00 RT @naomishema: Yes, terrific! #eltchat https://t.co/5pSdcPVRzn
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T12:38:08 #eltchat Warning posters are useful, also wall charts/info graphics & tables of numbers in company reports. Also ledgers, P&L statements
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:38:49 @getgreatenglish Yes, and any common signs seen at airports, train stations, etc. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:38:52 RT @getgreatenglish: #eltchat Warning posters are useful, also wall charts/info graphics & tables of numbers in company reports. Also ledge…
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:38:56 Welcome and thanks, Marc :) #eltchat Are you thinking of Business English context?  https://t.co/fXXvitWqQn
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:39:02 @angelos_bollas No model. Brainstorm for vocab. Make diagrams, images on the board. Oral as a whole group; written in small groups #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:39:08 #eltchat  https://t.co/lmbJUek9WW
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:39:24 @angelos_bollas Could be subtitles or verbalising instructions #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:40:36 The basic principle is for our SS to produce things they would produce in their context, right? #eltchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:41:22 RT @angelos_bollas: The basic principle is for our SS to produce things they would produce in their context, right? #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T12:41:36 #eltchat https://t.co/QDb4urZEUv
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:41:50 Don't forget the hashtag, please :) #eltchat  https://t.co/60yyVnpf3M
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T12:42:18 #eltchat https://t.co/HFYgi2M6BN
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:43:04 Use Nurph - it adds the hashtag for you. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:43:07 @getgreatenglish so u would allow translations as well? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:44:25 I would - esp with low levels. #eltchat  https://t.co/5DR5IZqsGS
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:45:58 I think in ESP classes Ss usually know the terminilogy of their field (smtms better than the T)  #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:46:33 With lots of diagrams, images, etc. I never found translation necessary. #ELTchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T12:46:44 Sometimes that helps 2 encourage ss - you teach me things too! #eltchat https://t.co/AKEPnzGq4z
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:46:55 I also like using authentic materials for pleasure - e.g. reading something for fun. To let some steam off #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T12:47:18 #eltchat https://t.co/pInAwSjZmM
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:47:36 @fionaljp @GlenysHanson https://t.co/Ifuc6cxCUX #eltchat
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:47:42 @Marisa_C I agree.  It's putting the English around the techie words that's the Ss problem. At all levels. #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T12:48:04 @Marisa_C Definitely "Make this better!" #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:48:29 @GlenysHanson yes - and knowing how formal or familiar one can be #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:49:08 There's also a difference between SS who live in an Engl speaking country and those who don't #ELTchat - auth mats more difficult for latter
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:49:28 @getgreatenglish have no problem with use of L1 but gradually that needs to be reduced as Ss go up levels  #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:52:03 Am posting 2 #ELTchat summaries on the use of Authentic materials that have sections for ESP. Here's the first one: https://t.co/EytG58tVwU
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T12:52:21 #eltchat I've used my own email and Facebook posts, too.
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:52:28 And here's the second one: https://t.co/V4hVLH0L7M #eltchat  https://t.co/bepaqU43v9
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:52:39 @Marisa_C @getgreatenglish What do you use the L1 for? Explain meanings, give instructions, get feedback ??? #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:52:49 I like using my FB and Twitter #eltchat  https://t.co/7DZFoH6jg6
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:53:49 @GlenysHanson   instructions 4 complext stuff - also contextual guesswork with touch stuff - give L1 Ss find the right l2 word #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:55:01 @getgreatenglish that is quite an advanced skill (I have taught translation to prof ppl) not for elementary surely? methinks #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:56:12 I meant 'tough stuff" - :-D sorry! #eltchat  https://t.co/PnLih8o5KT
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:57:10 @getgreatenglish would be nice to know more - if u have a blog post or sth would be great #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:57:21 #ELTchat is about to finish for today - Would anyone like to help and write the summary, please?
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T12:57:22 #eltchat sorry about missing hashtags ! Duh!
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:58:08 #ELTchAT (just RT ur tweet) https://t.co/avbHekdreS
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T12:58:46 @angelos_bollas https://t.co/YCtHsUn3hU is down for maintenance. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:58:47 #eltchat  https://t.co/hm6pnAmXgP
ELTchat 2015-12-02T12:59:03 Who would like to write the summary of this week's chat? #eltchat  https://t.co/jvnwELgezI
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T12:59:32 RT @ELTchat: Who would like to write the summary of this week's chat? #eltchat  https://t.co/jvnwELgezI
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T12:59:35 @GlenysHanson The link will be the same when the site it back up - thanks for letting us know, Glenys :) #eltchat
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T13:00:09 @angelos_bollas I'll do it seeing as I was late! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T13:00:47 #ELTchat have to go - thank you all for turning up - twitter has been a bit pesky today but hope sm ideas useful cheers - see you next week
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T13:01:05 Many thanks, Marc! :) @SueAnnan will send you the transcript later. Many thanks again! #eltchat  https://t.co/qbitvqdNaM
fionaljp 2015-12-02T13:01:11 RT @Marisa_C: @fionaljp @GlenysHanson https://t.co/Ifuc6cxCUX #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-12-02T13:01:20 @getgreatenglish @angelos_bollas oh great and do send something about L1 #eltchat
naomishema 2015-12-02T13:02:09 I'll be on vacation next week, hurrah! #eltchat I'll be able to attend more relaxed!
angelos_bollas 2015-12-02T13:02:35 Thank you all for being here today - Next week we'll meet at 21.00 GMT :-D #ELTchat Looking forward to seeing you online.
Shaunwilden 2015-12-02T13:02:44 RT @angelos_bollas: Thank you all for being here today - Next week we'll meet at 21.00 GMT :-D #ELTchat Looking forward to seeing you onlin…
fionaljp 2015-12-02T13:03:09 Thanks for link to Nurph #ELTchat
GlenysHanson 2015-12-02T13:06:34 Thanks in particular for links to Readability test tool and https://t.co/mc7BMiQHZe #ELTchat
getgreatenglish 2015-12-02T13:26:54 @SueAnnan I have the transcript by grabbing all the #eltchat tweets and will embed them into the summary post. Is that what you usually do?

 

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